No OL in a historic OL draft. OL has been the reason this team has sucked outside of its shitty QB. And this off-season we overpaid average at best Jon runyan, signed eluemor (who I really like) to compete with Neal at OT and the loser of that job will play RG. We are hoping (yes hoping) that the new OL coach will make improvements from the previously drafted players who have been below average to terrible.
We have nice toys at wr but no qb to get the ball to them and a very very questionable OL to block for our bad qb.
We also added no extra picks in this years draft or next years draft on a team with a ton of holes.
Neither of these is good process.
This is a typical giants draft.
I get it. A year from now we will be picking top 10. We will have seen if the new OL coach can fix the OL players and can re-evaluate then. And we did draft players at positions of need. But you win in the games in the trenches and you should build from the trenches out and in a good trench draft we found reasons (and I’m not saying they are bad reasons) but we found reasons not to do it as the giants usually do.
“Sure things”? Proven NFL players are a hell of a lot surer than just randomly drafting rookies that have never played at the NFL level. You guys will bitch about anything
Ruynan is an average player. He's a very good pass protector and he picks up stunts very well. He's not a top flight guard. He doesn't have to be. Eluemunor played very well under the same OL coach that's here now. That's why we signed him. Stinnie and Schlottman have started in this league at an acceptable level. Nelson was a back-up on a very good Detroit line and was challenging for a starting spot before he got hurt.
All of these guys would have started on our line last year.
You already want to give up on Schmitz. Unbelievable.
OK.
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We didn't have enough picks.
JFC.
yeah i know, but given the priority of the positions and what we have invested and have on the roster..
DT was way bigger on my wish list than ILB, RB, TE etc.
there was some guys on the board in those day 3 rounds.
Read my pet peeves. Read the part about drafting positions over value.
i get it, i just think there was some really good value even on day 3 at DT over ILB, RB, TE.
for example i really liked Mekhi Wingo who would give us a rotational DT who can rush the passer. i actually liked him in the 5th but he was there in teh 6th.
there is value all over the draft, clearly Joe Schoen didnt like wingo as much as i did.
time will tell, but when things are close, take the trench player, take the premium position player, we didnt seem to do that.
That makes sense
But there are also a lot of variables that just don’t know about. Such as any character/coaching/injury issues with these prospects? or that they are much higher on guys already on the team, such as DJ Davidson or Jordan Riley
JS made his decision. well see what happens.
I get it. We're all not happy with the state of the team. But all I can tell you is they added five guys this offseason already (they only carry 9 OLs).
We have to address WR, S, CB, RB, TE, etc. too.
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Big year for Josh Ezeudu's development, not just Evan Neal's. Obviously Neal's is bigger given where he was drafted and they want hem to start, but Ezeudu is a RD3 pick. Not a throwaway. #Giants
The post isn’t the best or well thought out but the reaction is even worse. Not a good look at all for the site.
Then seeing the Giants grab a likely non-starter / only special teamer with their only 6th round and last pick is frustrating to me.
I hope to eat crow complaining about Darius Muasau if he turns out to be something outstanding on special teams.
Our front 7 is stronger than it has been in years with some good pass rushers, a really good mlb and a few young guys to mix in on the DL.
We needed to upgrade pass catchers and pass defenders as this is a passing league.
@TalkinGiants
Giants have signed North Dakota St. OL Jake Kubas as an UDFA per his agency @Exclusive_SG
Championship ! :-)
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need to be put on probation for using the "r word."
The post isn’t the best or well thought out but the reaction is even worse. Not a good look at all for the site.
Cause words hurt? Wrong place if you are looking for sensitivity.
Sure, perhaps Matt Nelson has been an overlooked depth piece. Lastly and most importantly, sure, maybe Evan Neal is going to figure it out in year three after an absolutely horrid start to his career. Tackle is one of the most important positions in football and NYG is banking on a bunch of maybes. If you’re asking me, tackle should be in play at #6 and/or after a slight trade down. This class is borderline historic when it comes to amount of starting caliber, real dudes available. I think they will kick the can down the road because they feel Neal deserves another shot (remember this regime did draft him) and they hedged with a couple third/fourth tier free agency signings.
+100
Thank you for saying it Eric.
clearly... maybe he will consult with you next year.
https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/
i can see it what other posters are saying mirroring chad forbes, a guy who does this for a living.
for a team that has a dearth of talent we should be prioritizing premium position/trenches and taking big swings at talent. we def took a more safe route.
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clearly Joe Schoen didnt like wingo as much as i did.
clearly... maybe he will consult with you next year.
its a nitpick, but i just didnt like our depth at DT at all from a pass rusher perspective.
but in reality it doesnt matter, JS is going to be gone if he got the QB thing wrong. its the main thing a GM has to get right. he extended daniel jones, he decided not to go to QB, and 3 went after in the next 6 picks.
well see what happens, but if we are picking top 2 or 3 with DJ stinking up the joint and a few of those QB picked behind us finding success and the playoffs, its 50-50 at best but probably 70-30 Schoen is gone and in the modern NFL, GMs dont get 2nd chances. his career would be over betting on daniel jones.
https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/
i can see it what other posters are saying mirroring chad forbes, a guy who does this for a living.
for a team that has a dearth of talent we should be prioritizing premium position/trenches and taking big swings at talent. we def took a more safe route.
They traded for a top of the league edge rusher, drafted a WR at 6 and ball hawking best in class safety. They picked up a Corner.
Those are all premium positions and traits.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
Drink that kool aid they brought in journeymen stop gap players, they are not all that well regarded..... Sounds like the same shit we have done for a decade, under invest in frontline playes in the draft, bring in journeymen FA under big contracts, draft WR and Corners in the first 3 rounds.
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being fucking stupid. Just stop. I swear some of you guys are legitimate retards.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
Neal has played all of 19 games in his career. Nobody gives one flying fuck about your impatience. Neal was every bit as highly thought of as a prospect that anyone in this draft was. Some guys take longer to adjust to the NFL. He’s also been playing injured a shit ton. He may end up sucking. But one thing I know for a fact is that YOU have no clue as to whether he will develop or not. 19 games and the story is written. Will you clowns listen to yourselves? Aside from that, they had a journeyman at RT after Neal got injured and did a pretty damn good job. Teams all over the damn league find OL without having to use top 10 picks every fucking year on the OL. Pull your shit together
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veterans to upgrade both lines. Used the draft picks on skill positions. Seems like a fine strategy.
Drink that kool aid they brought in journeymen stop gap players, they are not all that well regarded..... Sounds like the same shit we have done for a decade, under invest in frontline playes in the draft, bring in journeymen FA under big contracts, draft WR and Corners in the first 3 rounds.
Under invest in the draft? wtf are you cackling about? They’ve invested a TON in the draft to OL. Again, pull yourself together. Your ignorance is embarrassing
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being fucking stupid. Just stop. I swear some of you guys are legitimate retards.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
Neal has played all of 19 games in his career. Nobody gives one flying fuck about your impatience. Neal was every bit as highly thought of as a prospect that anyone in this draft was. Some guys take longer to adjust to the NFL. He’s also been playing injured a shit ton. He may end up sucking. But one thing I know for a fact is that YOU have no clue as to whether he will develop or not. 19 games and the story is written. Will you clowns listen to yourselves? Aside from that, they had a journeyman at RT after Neal got injured and did a pretty damn good job. Teams all over the damn league find OL without having to use top 10 picks every fucking year on the OL. Pull your shit together
Wake up dude, Evan Neal has been a fucking unmitigated disaster he can't play right tackle in the NFL, don't tell me about injuries every player in the NFL gets them,he sucks when he is healthy, only hope for Neal is a move to guard. He is stuck in his stance and the DE is halfway to the QB that can not happen anymore, how many seasons does Evan Neal get to wreck before you realize this guy is a bust?
Sure, perhaps Matt Nelson has been an overlooked depth piece. Lastly and most importantly, sure, maybe Evan Neal is going to figure it out in year three after an absolutely horrid start to his career. Tackle is one of the most important positions in football and NYG is banking on a bunch of maybes. If you’re asking me, tackle should be in play at #6 and/or after a slight trade down. This class is borderline historic when it comes to amount of starting caliber, real dudes available. I think they will kick the can down the road because they feel Neal deserves another shot (remember this regime did draft him) and they hedged with a couple third/fourth tier free agency signings.
And yet when the Giants were on the clock, Sy said to take McCarthy.
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being fucking stupid. Just stop. I swear some of you guys are legitimate retards.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
Neal has played all of 19 games in his career. Nobody gives one flying fuck about your impatience. Neal was every bit as highly thought of as a prospect that anyone in this draft was. Some guys take longer to adjust to the NFL. He’s also been playing injured a shit ton. He may end up sucking. But one thing I know for a fact is that YOU have no clue as to whether he will develop or not. 19 games and the story is written. Will you clowns listen to yourselves? Aside from that, they had a journeyman at RT after Neal got injured and did a pretty damn good job. Teams all over the damn league find OL without having to use top 10 picks every fucking year on the OL. Pull your shit together
Wake up dude, Evan Neal has been a fucking unmitigated disaster he can't play right tackle in the NFL, don't tell me about injuries every player in the NFL gets them,he sucks when he is healthy, only hope for Neal is a move to guard. He is stuck in his stance and the DE is halfway to the QB that can not happen anymore, how many seasons does Evan Neal get to wreck before you realize this guy is a bust?
Well Daniel Jones is getting year 6, so let’s start there for a time frame to prove it…
And pardon me for having less than zero respect for your opinion on anything football related. You have the mental bandwidth of a fruit fly. I’m sure you come by it honestly so no offense, just don’t expect me to care what you think
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being fucking stupid. Just stop. I swear some of you guys are legitimate retards.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
You're acting like right tackle is a premium position. It is not. I got into this argument with you guys two years ago when you said the Giants were morons if they didn't draft Evan Neal. I said drafting a right tackle in the top 10 was idiotic. I was told I was the dummy. Guess what?
Regardless, the Giants' season does not hinge on their right tackle. If Evan Neal can't handle it, Elumanor will slide into the spot. That's why they signed him.
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veterans to upgrade both lines. Used the draft picks on skill positions. Seems like a fine strategy.
Drink that kool aid they brought in journeymen stop gap players, they are not all that well regarded..... Sounds like the same shit we have done for a decade, under invest in frontline playes in the draft, bring in journeymen FA under big contracts, draft WR and Corners in the first 3 rounds.
Under invest in the draft? wtf are you cackling about? They’ve invested a TON in the draft to OL. Again, pull yourself together. Your ignorance is embarrassing
You have 5 starting spots on each side the oline / dline it takes a lot of draft equity to have them shored up if you miss on a player Erik Flowers/ Evan Neal it doesn't mean you don't need to keep trying. So far in Schoens 3 drafts he picked, 4 Oline 4 d-line 2 RB 7 DB 3 WR 2 TE 3 LB. I would be fine with this if we didn't have some many holes in the Oline we need to get that shored up or it will not matter who is playing WR.
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being fucking stupid. Just stop. I swear some of you guys are legitimate retards.
The Giants have drafted four offensive linemen in the past two drafts, including #1 (7th overall player), #2 (top rated center), #3, and #5.
They signed 5 veteran offensive linemen in free agency.
They only had six picks in this draft.
At some point, you have to address other positions.
Bottom line is we have a shopping cart at right tackle who will be selling life insurance within the year, the free agent players they brought in are very mediocre players that would be considered more of depth not front line quality. Jumping down a guys throat for pointing out that our absolute biggest problem (RIGHT TACKLE) is still not accounted for and dont try to tell me that Evan Neal has a chance in hell to be the answer. We are only moving the deck chairs on the titanic if we think we have a chance with a shopping cart at right tackle.
Neal has played all of 19 games in his career. Nobody gives one flying fuck about your impatience. Neal was every bit as highly thought of as a prospect that anyone in this draft was. Some guys take longer to adjust to the NFL. He’s also been playing injured a shit ton. He may end up sucking. But one thing I know for a fact is that YOU have no clue as to whether he will develop or not. 19 games and the story is written. Will you clowns listen to yourselves? Aside from that, they had a journeyman at RT after Neal got injured and did a pretty damn good job. Teams all over the damn league find OL without having to use top 10 picks every fucking year on the OL. Pull your shit together
Wake up dude, Evan Neal has been a fucking unmitigated disaster he can't play right tackle in the NFL, don't tell me about injuries every player in the NFL gets them,he sucks when he is healthy, only hope for Neal is a move to guard. He is stuck in his stance and the DE is halfway to the QB that can not happen anymore, how many seasons does Evan Neal get to wreck before you realize this guy is a bust?
Well Daniel Jones is getting year 6, so let’s start there for a time frame to prove it…
And pardon me for having less than zero respect for your opinion on anything football related. You have the mental bandwidth of a fruit fly. I’m sure you come by it honestly so no offense, just don’t expect me to care what you think
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need to be put on probation for using the "r word."
The post isn’t the best or well thought out but the reaction is even worse. Not a good look at all for the site.
Cause words hurt? Wrong place if you are looking for sensitivity.
Haha. Not at all. Especially from a child.
OK.
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Eric - IMO teh psoter also sees what SY wrote--
Sure, perhaps Matt Nelson has been an overlooked depth piece. Lastly and most importantly, sure, maybe Evan Neal is going to figure it out in year three after an absolutely horrid start to his career. Tackle is one of the most important positions in football and NYG is banking on a bunch of maybes. If you’re asking me, tackle should be in play at #6 and/or after a slight trade down. This class is borderline historic when it comes to amount of starting caliber, real dudes available. I think they will kick the can down the road because they feel Neal deserves another shot (remember this regime did draft him) and they hedged with a couple third/fourth tier free agency signings.
And yet when the Giants were on the clock, Sy said to take McCarthy.
I thought SY wanted the WR but anyhow that's not the point.
IMO The poster wasn’t claiming to take an OL with the 6th pick. He was just saying no OL was taken at all and felt there should have been one taken anywhere. Not that the Giants needed to take an OL specifically in rd 1.
If that was his point - then I agree with you. And imo this 6th pick was a WR or QB pick. But I believe he was just saying "take another OL - somewhere in the draft"- which it seems to me SY would agree with too if he even mentioned about taking one early.
The people saying that are the same ones saying the draft isn't about 2024.
It's amazing how people keep taking for the same things all in the name of blind optimism.
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need to be put on probation for using the "r word."
The post isn’t the best or well thought out but the reaction is even worse. Not a good look at all for the site.
Agree entirely. Totally unnecessary and inappropriate by the owner of the site.
So Joe is gone now? Are you sure the John Mara did not put his thumb on the scale when they signed Jones to the contract?
Mara may let Joe select most of the players on the roster. However, you are fucking nuts if you dont think that John is NOT weighing in on decisions like this..
1. The QB
2. A guy like Barkley who is the face of the franchise and sells jerseys
3. The first round pick
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
I hear this to an extent. I think rounds 2-4 were need-based picks. The Day 2 picks could/should be Day 1 starters. They have invested a lot of picks/signings in the OL. They need those to pan out this year. If they don't, they'll surely be re-investing heavy in the OL next year.
Once the roster is in better shape, they should hammer OL every year.
i can see OL.... agree we invested a lot.
but not drafting a DT who can rush the passer a but, would have liked to see a shot in the 3rd/4th round, we have a bunch of run stuffers only.
The Giants have this guy named Dexter Lawrence and guess what. He is one of the the best pass rushing DTs in football, if not the best. So why do they need another? Name any team that has two Dexter Lawrence's? Go ahead I will wait.
People forget that Jordan Riley can play some ball too as can Nacho and Davidson. The DT room is not empty.
With KT, Burns and Dexter that will be a lot of pressure on QBs.
Yeah, because some fake competition is going to make JMS better instead of reps, lots of reps....
Do you folks realize that Ezeudu, et al were screwed last year flopping around the line in this knucklehead versatility stupidity? Versatility makes sense when the players have mastered their primary position(IMHO).
Guys like JMS and Ezeudu need to establish themselves with reps at their primary positions first.
But to the original idea for the thread, the Giants have invested heavily in drafting OL. Now let Bricillo coach them up.
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from Round 1. And I am not giving up on Schmitz at all. I just want him to have to compete and earn his spot rather than having it handed to him because there are no other good options.
Yeah, because some fake competition is going to make JMS better instead of reps, lots of reps....
Do you folks realize that Ezeudu, et al were screwed last year flopping around the line in this knucklehead versatility stupidity? Versatility makes sense when the players have mastered their primary position(IMHO).
Guys like JMS and Ezeudu need to establish themselves with reps at their primary positions first.
But to the original idea for the thread, the Giants have invested heavily in drafting OL. Now let Bricillo coach them up.
Agree 100%..
We need guys who are playing a position they are comfortable with. Have backups who play a specific position on the line. Then, have one guy who can be a swiss army knife and can hold his own at multiple positions.
We have become too comfortable moving players around the line from one week to the next. Nobody knows their assignments. Guys getting fooled with simple stunts. The whole situation has become just fucking stupid.
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
I hear this to an extent. I think rounds 2-4 were need-based picks. The Day 2 picks could/should be Day 1 starters. They have invested a lot of picks/signings in the OL. They need those to pan out this year. If they don't, they'll surely be re-investing heavy in the OL next year.
Once the roster is in better shape, they should hammer OL every year.
i can see OL.... agree we invested a lot.
but not drafting a DT who can rush the passer a but, would have liked to see a shot in the 3rd/4th round, we have a bunch of run stuffers only.
The Giants have this guy named Dexter Lawrence and guess what. He is one of the the best pass rushing DTs in football, if not the best. So why do they need another? Name any team that has two Dexter Lawrence's? Go ahead I will wait.
People forget that Jordan Riley can play some ball too as can Nacho and Davidson. The DT room is not empty.
With KT, Burns and Dexter that will be a lot of pressure on QBs.
1-- Dexter was a 1st rd pick. So drafting another DL in rd's 2 or thereafter is not drafting "another Dexter."
2--- See belowcomment from SY in his analysis.
"NYG has the numbers at DT to look past the position draft weekend. They have the big bodies behind Lawrence in Davidson, Phillips, and Riley. They have a serviceable starter in Nunez-Roches. They have guys that can compete for a roster spot in Horne and Anderson. But rewind to week one of 2023 and they also were employing Leonard Williams (traded to SEA) and A’Shawn Robinson (signed with CAR). Brian Burns was added to the edge to but if you’re leaving it up to me, they need another pass rush option inside. Some of this will depend on the young guys and their progression but even in a best-case scenario, a case can be made to get another tackle in here. I believe there is only room for one. So which direction do they go? A complete DT-type that can develop some presence as a pass rusher? Or a pure three-technique that is going to lack size for every down duty? I am pass rush biased so I am leaning toward the latter and because I am all-in on building an identity, I would do it as early as round two."
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from Round 1. And I am not giving up on Schmitz at all. I just want him to have to compete and earn his spot rather than having it handed to him because there are no other good options.
Yeah, because some fake competition is going to make JMS better instead of reps, lots of reps....
Do you folks realize that Ezeudu, et al were screwed last year flopping around the line in this knucklehead versatility stupidity? Versatility makes sense when the players have mastered their primary position(IMHO).
Guys like JMS and Ezeudu need to establish themselves with reps at their primary positions first.
But to the original idea for the thread, the Giants have invested heavily in drafting OL. Now let Bricillo coach them up.
Agree 100%..
We need guys who are playing a position they are comfortable with. Have backups who play a specific position on the line. Then, have one guy who can be a swiss army knife and can hold his own at multiple positions.
We have become too comfortable moving players around the line from one week to the next. Nobody knows their assignments. Guys getting fooled with simple stunts. The whole situation has become just fucking stupid.
Disagree 10%%. What you and the other poster are suggesting is the same tired excuse you say every year "coach them up."
Disagree 10%%. What you and the other poster are suggesting is the same tired excuse you say every year "coach them up."
No let's keep drafting highly rated players and see them fail. If you cannot see that Bobby Johnson did probably the worst coaching job in recent memory with the OL, then there is nothing left to say.
Johnson, not only did not develop a single drafted player he was given, but effed up vets. How did Tyre Phillips get cut by the Giants, go to the Eagles for 6-8 weeks and then return as a vastly improved player? How did that happen? Did he magically take a step forward or did Jeff Stoutland get to him and improve his technique and vision?
Now Evan Neal may prove to be a bust, but when Joe Schoen went to see if he missed something in his eval on Neal by reviewing film on Neal he expressed publicly that he felt he was correct in the eval - and we all know the Cowboys had him rated as the #1 OT and #2 player in the 2022 draft. Why was Bobby Johnson the 1st assistant coach let go this year?
So yeah, let's keep drafting OL in the 1st and 2nd round and hope one turns into Aaron Thomas by osmosis....
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Disagree 10%%. What you and the other poster are suggesting is the same tired excuse you say every year "coach them up."
No let's keep drafting highly rated players and see them fail. If you cannot see that Bobby Johnson did probably the worst coaching job in recent memory with the OL, then there is nothing left to say.
Johnson, not only did not develop a single drafted player he was given, but effed up vets. How did Tyre Phillips get cut by the Giants, go to the Eagles for 6-8 weeks and then return as a vastly improved player? How did that happen? Did he magically take a step forward or did Jeff Stoutland get to him and improve his technique and vision?
Now Evan Neal may prove to be a bust, but when Joe Schoen went to see if he missed something in his eval on Neal by reviewing film on Neal he expressed publicly that he felt he was correct in the eval - and we all know the Cowboys had him rated as the #1 OT and #2 player in the 2022 draft. Why was Bobby Johnson the 1st assistant coach let go this year?
So yeah, let's keep drafting OL in the 1st and 2nd round and hope one turns into Aaron Thomas by osmosis....
Ohh God--here we go-- more excuse making. When we hired him - it was let's slam the other guy who was probably praised in which posters like you were saying the same tired things before.
You have a pro scout in SY mentioning the team could use another OL. He called team a bunch of maybes. You have what was mentioned as a super strong OL class ass well and you ignore all of that because in your professional opinion it's "coach them up!"
To add to this -- there is a chance that the OL is better but not good (it can't get worse) - then we're going to hear the same tired excuses that the Giants can't take a QB because they aren't ready.
All-the-while I hear Harbaugh talk about the OL as a weapon and they are the tip of the spear yet our reply to this is set up a bunch of mediocrity at the OL at best.
I hope you’re right – but just FYI the Pro Socut on this site called the OL a bunch of maybes. And we are in rebuild mode in which we know we need an eventual QB. Yet when you and others make posts like this – it seems like you are pretending like you slept in a Holiday Inn last night. Tenches are important. When the pro scout on here is questioning what they have – and the only reply is “coach them up” – it doesn’t leave some us with a good feeling especially coming from a non-pro like you (no offense meant.).
I hope you’re right. And I know the pro scout can be wrong. But the creation of this thread did not need to get slammed vs “coach them up.”