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| Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan GM Joe Schoen reinforces after the draft that he said following the season that Daniel Jones was going to be the starter at QB for the Giants this season. Schoen: “That’s where we are. That’s what we’re going to move forward with this season. Daniel is still under contract for three more years. “As it sits today, that’s where we are.” |
I just cannot stand Jones. This franchise is stuck with him like an albatross and the whole league is laughing at the Giants.
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I just cannot stand Jones. This franchise is stuck with him like an albatross and the whole league is laughing at the Giants.
We were a laughing stock when we drafted him. Now we are a laughing stock for continuing to keep it. And we deserve it. Worst team in the nfl over the last decade.
As for Schoen, he strikes me as a bit of an empty suit. He needs his draftees to start performing or he won't last long.
Right now, I think they've convinced themselves fans will come around on Jones once the season starts. We'll see if they're right.
Watch Daboll leave the Giants in a year or two for New England and turn Maye into a stud.
The Giants aren't even the Knicks. We're the Washington Generals. Patsies who are convenient foils for the NFL darlings like the Eagles and Cowboys. Until we partake in a serious search for a QB we are a joke. Meanwhile the league and their fans can snicker, "Aren't those guys cute, how loyal they are, to their horrible QB. How quaint." We're stuck in 1986.
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Me out the most is the thought that Maye was the perfect prospect for Daboll. I don’t see that prospect coming out next year that has all the traits Maye does even if they are unrefined. If there was more hope for next years crop I feel like I’d be much more settled with how the draft played out and with Jones playing.
Watch Daboll leave the Giants in a year or two for New England and turn Maye into a stud.
So you would have been comfortable with trading away #6 this year, #47 this year, first rounder next year (will probably be top 5-10 with rookie QB in ‘24), second rounder next year, third rounder next year to take Drake Maye?
That was the rumored compensation, and it sounded like they wanted even more. Maye regressed last year and is no sure thing. It’s why he was the third QB off the board this year. It’s also why NE was not sold enough to say “no thanks” to offers the way Chicago and Washington did.
If the Giants traded all of those picks for Maye and he ended up like Jones, which could happen, they would be screwed for at least 5-6 years.
GMs and coaches say what they have to say until they don’t have to say it anymore.
“Bubba Crosby is our center fielder.”
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Me out the most is the thought that Maye was the perfect prospect for Daboll. I don’t see that prospect coming out next year that has all the traits Maye does even if they are unrefined. If there was more hope for next years crop I feel like I’d be much more settled with how the draft played out and with Jones playing.
Watch Daboll leave the Giants in a year or two for New England and turn Maye into a stud.
So you would have been comfortable with trading away #6 this year, #47 this year, first rounder next year (will probably be top 5-10 with rookie QB in ‘24), second rounder next year, third rounder next year to take Drake Maye?
That was the rumored compensation, and it sounded like they wanted even more. Maye regressed last year and is no sure thing. It’s why he was the third QB off the board this year. It’s also why NE was not sold enough to say “no thanks” to offers the way Chicago and Washington did.
If the Giants traded all of those picks for Maye and he ended up like Jones, which could happen, they would be screwed for at least 5-6 years.
Who said it has to be Drake Maye. There are dozens of potential options. Sure we could trade up for Maye - and if Maye is the second coming of Josh Allen in Daboll's eyes, then hell yea, what we give up is a bargain. Or we could draft one of the other 1st round QBs. KOC and Sean Payton, not a couple of chumps, thought there was value there. Or if you didn't want to do that we could go the developmental route. That seemed good enough for the Jets, Saints, Packers and... wait for it... yes the Pats, who drafted a second QB in this draft where we couldn't be bothered to draft one. and there is also free agency and trades. So don't tell me there aren't avenues to obtain a QB other than Maye.
At every turn the answer for this team is Daniel Jones. It is ridiculous at this point. John Mara has an unhealthy attachment to Jones and it is destroying this team. Get any fucking QB with upside to demonstrate we're not just going to ride with Jones come hell or high water.
The packers got a guy and they have Love. The Saints got a guy and they have Carr. The Jets got a guy and they have Aaron Rodgers. The Falcons got a guy and they have Cousins. The Pats got the guy we wanted and they got another guy too. All the QBs mentioned in this paragraph and light years ahead of Danny Dimes, and their teams added somebody. And for us it is always Daniel Jones.
Don't tell me he deserves another shot. Don't tell me we owe him any more chances. Don't tell me there are no other options. It's all bullshit. This franchise is being held back by some old moron who can't admit he made a mistake with the draft pick. John Mara is the absolute worst owner in the NFL. and if you don't believe me, look at the state of the team. You are what your record says you are. And for a decade - John Mara is a disaster. He is forcing Daniel Jones on his coaches and GMs, and he is forcing Daniel Jones on us. And fuck him, the Jets are more interesting. Even the Carolina Panthers are more interesting.
He has an opportunity to embarrass Schoen and this franchise if Jones doesn’t deliver. For once I’ll welcome diva WR behavior if it involves someone actually taking initiative in this org.
He has an opportunity to embarrass Schoen and this franchise if Jones doesn’t deliver. For once I’ll welcome diva WR behavior if it involves someone actually taking initiative in this org.
Good point. Nabers at times was annoyed with Daniels and the Talkin Giants guys pointed out that Daniels missed some opportunities with Nabers running free.
I think as the emotion has calmed down, I still think it's most likely NYG moves off Jones after 2024. JonC and Rickey both say they're done with him long term.
The packers got a guy and they have Love. The Saints got a guy and they have Carr. The Jets got a guy and they have Aaron Rodgers. The Falcons got a guy and they have Cousins. The Pats got the guy we wanted and they got another guy too. All the QBs mentioned in this paragraph and light years ahead of Danny Dimes, and their teams added somebody. And for us it is always Daniel Jones.
Three drafts and adding zero QBs is wild. They didn’t need to take an undersized linebacker who is probably a special teams guy, you can sign those guys. They should have taken Milton or Pratt. 6th rounders are lotto tickets.
*The contract was a mistake and essentially mandates his presence in 2024
*It's recognized as a mistake given the amount of scouting/attempted trade. They tried to add a guy they liked enough to offer a future first for. Whether you recognize as such, it's a sizeable commitment.
*Had NE accepted the deal for Maye, Jones would've been the 2024 starter anyway given that albatross of a contract and Mayes projection.
*You either recognize the clock is ticking and not long for this team or labor under the notion that Mara is still pulling strings. At this point I think that indicates a willful desire to piss and moan, which is a shame bc some of you are really good posters.
As far as Daniel Jones is concerned, I'm putting down my bow and breaking my arrows. I will fight no more, forever.
*The contract was a mistake and essentially mandates his presence in 2024
*It's recognized as a mistake given the amount of scouting/attempted trade. They tried to add a guy they liked enough to offer a future first for. Whether you recognize as such, it's a sizeable commitment.
*Had NE accepted the deal for Maye, Jones would've been the 2024 starter anyway given that albatross of a contract and Mayes projection.
*You either recognize the clock is ticking and not long for this team or labor under the notion that Mara is still pulling strings. At this point I think that indicates a willful desire to piss and moan, which is a shame bc some of you are really good posters.
As far as Daniel Jones is concerned, I'm putting down my bow and breaking my arrows. I will fight no more, forever.
Except the Giants may not be in a position to acquire the QB to replace him next year. What if they’re picking sixth and can’t trade up again because the teams in front want QBs?
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Its useless and a waste of time. You can not talk to these people. These are the facts:
*The contract was a mistake and essentially mandates his presence in 2024
*It's recognized as a mistake given the amount of scouting/attempted trade. They tried to add a guy they liked enough to offer a future first for. Whether you recognize as such, it's a sizeable commitment.
*Had NE accepted the deal for Maye, Jones would've been the 2024 starter anyway given that albatross of a contract and Mayes projection.
*You either recognize the clock is ticking and not long for this team or labor under the notion that Mara is still pulling strings. At this point I think that indicates a willful desire to piss and moan, which is a shame bc some of you are really good posters.
As far as Daniel Jones is concerned, I'm putting down my bow and breaking my arrows. I will fight no more, forever.
Except the Giants may not be in a position to acquire the QB to replace him next year. What if they’re picking sixth and can’t trade up again because the teams in front want QBs?
I hear ya bro, it's almost like you can't predict the future!
The Giants absolutely loved Maye and tried to go up and get him. Nobody disputes that. Where you are likely very much off is that the Giants realize Jones is done. Trying to get Maye shows they liked Maye a lot more than they liked Jones. Passing on every other QB prospect shows me they like Jones more than they liked those guys - guys who were selected in the top of the first round.
I think they fell in love with Maye. I think they are certainly content to go into 2024, 2025, and possibly 2026 with Jones under center. I think Schoen genuinely likes him and thinks he is good enough for now.
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The packers got a guy and they have Love. The Saints got a guy and they have Carr. The Jets got a guy and they have Aaron Rodgers. The Falcons got a guy and they have Cousins. The Pats got the guy we wanted and they got another guy too. All the QBs mentioned in this paragraph and light years ahead of Danny Dimes, and their teams added somebody. And for us it is always Daniel Jones.
Three drafts and adding zero QBs is wild. They didn’t need to take an undersized linebacker who is probably a special teams guy, you can sign those guys. They should have taken Milton or Pratt. 6th rounders are lotto tickets.
Daniel Must be Comfortable. If we bring in any QB with potential, there will be "We Want x". That will be embarrassing to Daniel and will not fly. Thus we are setting up tomato cans for him to knock down.
It's a testament to Daniel's personal branding and political skills that he has weaseled his way into having a tremendous amount of influence in the building despite being terrible at his job. At some point we will change - whether it's due to the perfect prospect being available or Daniel chooses to retire. Until the Daniel's comfort will be a major consideration
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The packers got a guy and they have Love. The Saints got a guy and they have Carr. The Jets got a guy and they have Aaron Rodgers. The Falcons got a guy and they have Cousins. The Pats got the guy we wanted and they got another guy too. All the QBs mentioned in this paragraph and light years ahead of Danny Dimes, and their teams added somebody. And for us it is always Daniel Jones.
Three drafts and adding zero QBs is wild. They didn’t need to take an undersized linebacker who is probably a special teams guy, you can sign those guys. They should have taken Milton or Pratt. 6th rounders are lotto tickets.
"Schoen targets players, not position groups." -Rico
I couldn't agree with you more, but that LB has a history with their new ST coach. I'm shocked not one QB has been drafted.
Even Gettleman drafted two in his first two years here.
That’s how the business of the NFL works. What are they gonna say? Daniel Jones stinks we’re screwed.
Daniel Jones is under contract forthree more years. When the 2024 season ends, the Giants can cut him with very little cap pain. I think the odds are much higher than Daniel Jnes will not be a Giant in 2025 than he will be regardless who the GM and HC are.
Until Jones’ replacement is on the roster they’re going to roll out Jones.
That’s how the business of the NFL works. What are they gonna say? Daniel Jones stinks we’re screwed.
Daniel Jones is under contract forthree more years. When the 2024 season ends, the Giants can cut him with very little cap pain. I think the odds are much higher than Daniel Jnes will not be a Giant in 2025 than he will be regardless who the GM and HC are.
I agree with you. My problem with what he said is why is he anointing Daniel Jones the starter and Drew Lock the backup? I’d feel much better about what he said if he’s have said that whoever earns the job in camp will be the starter. I don’t give a damn about how much money each one makes. If you’re serious about winning games then you should put the best team on the field and not base decisions on a players contract. Every position on the field should be an open competition and that includes QB
Until Jones’ replacement is on the roster they’re going to roll out Jones.
If there was an actual competition for the starting job I wouldn’t be so sure that Lock wouldn’t beat out Jones. Of course, there will be no competition and the job will be handed to Jones with no threat of losing his job. Again. Don’t we all wish we had that kind of job security?
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Room and all they added was Lock who isn’t very good.
Until Jones’ replacement is on the roster they’re going to roll out Jones.
If there was an actual competition for the starting job I wouldn’t be so sure that Lock wouldn’t beat out Jones. Of course, there will be no competition and the job will be handed to Jones with no threat of losing his job. Again. Don’t we all wish we had that kind of job security?
The only way Lock plays if Jones is hurt, he’s the anointed starter. I wish the Minnesota game never happened.
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In comment 16497106 ajr2456 said:
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Room and all they added was Lock who isn’t very good.
Until Jones’ replacement is on the roster they’re going to roll out Jones.
If there was an actual competition for the starting job I wouldn’t be so sure that Lock wouldn’t beat out Jones. Of course, there will be no competition and the job will be handed to Jones with no threat of losing his job. Again. Don’t we all wish we had that kind of job security?
The only way Lock plays if Jones is hurt, he’s the anointed starter. I wish the Minnesota game never happened.
I really enjoyed that we made the playoffs and loved that game. But in hindsight, it broke this organization and any semblance of a plan for the future. The Eagles game was who this team was, not the Vikings game.
The Giants absolutely loved Maye and tried to go up and get him. Nobody disputes that. Where you are likely very much off is that the Giants realize Jones is done. Trying to get Maye shows they liked Maye a lot more than they liked Jones. Passing on every other QB prospect shows me they like Jones more than they liked those guys - guys who were selected in the top of the first round.
I think they fell in love with Maye. I think they are certainly content to go into 2024, 2025, and possibly 2026 with Jones under center. I think Schoen genuinely likes him and thinks he is good enough for now.
I hear ya Mike, and yours is an opinion worth paying attention to. Just see it differently I guess. I think they're ready to move on and will do so as soon as they're able to without cutting a leg out from under themselves.
There are two ways to view this, and neither is wrong. The first perspective views the scouting and failed trade as a half measure indicative that they're content with the status quo. To support that assertion we have Mara's public overtures towards Jones and the fact that Jones has been on a scholarship and not really challenged during his tenure, as you pointed out with the dry whit of a British comic.
Or you can view it as an earnest attempt at replacing him. Obviously the scouting and the trade attempt indicate this. I'd also point to the '22 offseason as evidence that Schoen isn't tied to him, but obviously that was before the contract. But I'm not going to fault them for not forcing a pick at the position. If you're going to pound the table for a QB you have to acknowledge overdrafting one was the first domino to fall in this whole mess.
I don't doubt that Mara is hoping against hope that Jones somehow rebounds and becomes a franchise QB. But I don't think Schoen and Daboll feel that way, and I think they're biding their time. I'd go one further and say if Jones plays like he did to open the season last year he's gonna get benched.
There's two issues here, 1)They need to move on from him and 2)They need to recognize their evaluations and ideas for what makes a QB are out of date. They are still looking for the Unicorn that doesnt exist anymore.
There's two issues here, 1)They need to move on from him and 2)They need to recognize their evaluations and ideas for what makes a QB are out of date. They are still looking for the Unicorn that doesnt exist anymore.
So you have knowledge of what their evaluations are?
Please tell us what they are and how they are out if date?
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That Joe Schoen says about Jones publicly serious. He can say all he wants in press conference, but actions speak louder than words.
His actions were he text Jones before the Nabers pick and didn't take a QB in the draft. His actions say DJ is our guy.
Couldn't be more obvious. Though many on this board refuse to believe what Shoen says, they also refuse to interpret his actions correctly. JS and BD, have been saying for quite some time now, that DJ is the guy. Of course, some here come out with the usual, "what is he supposed to say" or just concealing their position for the draft. They soaked up every crazy rumor but didn't listen to the GM. I said no trade up, though some here insist they tried to trade up, (on what proof I don't know), unless they're going with the same analysts that were wrong on the trade up and now trying to make excuses. Who knows, maybe they did but in reality, we don't know. No trade up, no QB at 6, start believing. They think DJ has talent and will give him every opportunity to succeed, at least for 2024.
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That Joe Schoen says about Jones publicly serious. He can say all he wants in press conference, but actions speak louder than words.
His actions were he text Jones before the Nabers pick and didn't take a QB in the draft. His actions say DJ is our guy.
Couldn't be more obvious. Though many on this board refuse to believe what Shoen says, they also refuse to interpret his actions correctly. JS and BD, have been saying for quite some time now, that DJ is the guy. Of course, some here come out with the usual, "what is he supposed to say" or just concealing their position for the draft. They soaked up every crazy rumor but didn't listen to the GM. I said no trade up, though some here insist they tried to trade up, (on what proof I don't know), unless they're going with the same analysts that were wrong on the trade up and now trying to make excuses. Who knows, maybe they did but in reality, we don't know. No trade up, no QB at 6, start believing. They think DJ has talent and will give him every opportunity to succeed, at least for 2024.
The “proof” is that literally every beat and insider literally says the exact same thing as to what they offered
Not sure how much more “proof” you need
I'm sure Nabers will be very patient with Daniel.
I'm sure Nabers will be very patient with Daniel.
So you don’t think he’s going to enjoy breaking open downfield only to look back and see the QB decide to check it down to the covered RB in the flat? Play after play?
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The packers got a guy and they have Love. The Saints got a guy and they have Carr. The Jets got a guy and they have Aaron Rodgers. The Falcons got a guy and they have Cousins. The Pats got the guy we wanted and they got another guy too. All the QBs mentioned in this paragraph and light years ahead of Danny Dimes, and their teams added somebody. And for us it is always Daniel Jones.
Three drafts and adding zero QBs is wild. They didn’t need to take an undersized linebacker who is probably a special teams guy, you can sign those guys. They should have taken Milton or Pratt. 6th rounders are lotto tickets.
Yes. It's wild. No QBs drafted this decade! You would think the Giants are a juggernaut with top-5 QB play instead of what we are, the worst team in the sport over the last decade and back-up level play since at least 2018.
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Our new WR is on record saying the Giants haven't figured out the QB spot. And now he's here. Amazing.
I'm sure Nabers will be very patient with Daniel.
So you don’t think he’s going to enjoy breaking open downfield only to look back and see the QB decide to check it down to the covered RB in the flat? Play after play?
Nabers isn't going to sit silent while the QB dithers. The moment he falls behind MHJ and Odunze he's going to let people know he should be posting better production.
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Our new WR is on record saying the Giants haven't figured out the QB spot. And now he's here. Amazing.
I'm sure Nabers will be very patient with Daniel.
So you don’t think he’s going to enjoy breaking open downfield only to look back and see the QB decide to check it down to the covered RB in the flat? Play after play?
Nabers isn't going to sit silent while the QB dithers. The moment he falls behind MHJ and Odunze he's going to let people know he should be posting better production.
Speculate much? Speaking of speculating, I wonder what your other handles have been...
So basically you are talking out of your ass and saying absolutely nothing
Also there is some benefit to not picking a rookie qb yet. The biggest advantage is having a qb on a rookie deal to build up the team around him. It is a window to really go for it. If the giants got a rookie qb this year the jones contract negates that advantage for 2 more years. You could make the case that they should spend this year and next building up the roster before going for the qb. There is risk to that obviously as you don’t know where you will be picking or what the draft class will be but you can make that argument
I'm sure Nabers will be very patient with Daniel.
I think it’s an awesome thing if Nabers causes trouble if Jones struggles. Someone has to take initiative here and wake this org the fuck up.
And if Jones plays well and the team wins? We won’t have a problem.
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is pretty obvious. Starting with a personality of Oatmeal. that's the easiest way to filter them out. Beck wanted 6 figures to stay at Georgia, that's how I know he won't be on their list.
So basically you are talking out of your ass and saying absolutely nothing
I get Big Blue '56 vibes from this dupe.
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is pretty obvious. Starting with a personality of Oatmeal. that's the easiest way to filter them out. Beck wanted 6 figures to stay at Georgia, that's how I know he won't be on their list.
So basically you are talking out of your ass and saying absolutely nothing
I get Big Blue '56 vibes from this dupe.
Yet another one of your incorrect takes
Who are you?
Why the hell would NE trade away a chance at a franchise QB, especially in light of the fact that they have fielded a good defense the last few years?
Jones has yet to prove he will be healthy enough to practice. And we cannot rule out a setback. If he plays fairly well this year, he could improve his trading value.