Struggling? He's a rookie and he got dinged up but I saw nothing to make me think he is not the Center of the future.
And, they brought in Brecillo.
He struggled, to being the 31st ranked center in the league. Being a rookie, playing hurt, having any number of dreadful linemen to his left and to his right, all contributed.
I saw nothing to make me think he is, or is not, the center of the future. Hopefully he can have a year where a proper evaluation can be made.
Drafting Muasau as an ILB suggests to me that maybe Isaiah Simmons moves to OLB behind Burns, Thibs, and Ojulari, speeding the end of the road for Timon Fox and Boogie Basham.
I’m happy with Jones, Nabers & the rest of the draft as opposed to McCarthy or a trade up and not much else besides QB. I think with all of the QB needy teams, these guys got way over rated. I think the Giants made the right call.
I think the overall draft went very well. The team is much better today than when we ended the season. The key to this whole thing is the OL. If they actually improved this team can compete with most teams in the league. I think there are about 4-5 top tier teams. We are not in that group. Then there are about 20 or so teams that are second tier depending how things shake out. If the OL is improved we are in that group of 20. Then there are about 6-7 are at the bottom. I think a smart off-season has gotten us out of the bottom.
Our year 3 draft guys have to take the leap. Thibs has every opportunity to be great with 2 other great players on the DL. This is the end of the line for Neal. He is either an NFL player or he should be on the bench. The 2nd year guys need to improve. JMS has to be at least an average C, but we have a little depth.
This season, top to bottom has to be an open competition at every spot. The only 3 that deserve a scholarship are Thomas, Okereke & Dex. Everyone else needs to earn their spot.
Unlike most, I am excited for the season. I think a stud WR an an improved OL will have this O more exciting. The speed we have at WR will open up the running lanes and we will have more production in the running game. On D the improved pass rush should help the guys in the secondary. CB 2 is a big question mark and I’m hoping someone on the roster can seize the opportunity.
"You would be hard-pressed to find a team who has dedicated more free agent and draft resources in the last decade on the offensive line than the Giants. It’s the results that have sucked, not the effort"
The answer has to be that it is absolutely wrong to draft a player at 6 if you don't have confidence in him.
Maybe the Giants' evaluations of those three QBs was wrong, and they made a mistake. But there is no question that they did through evaluations of all the QBs.
What is not open to doubt is that it would have been a terrible mistake-absolute negligence- to draft a player at 6 if you don't have confidence in him.
BTW, great write-up Eric. Get some sleep.
Regardless of how those three QBs turn out, the Giants were correct not to reach for a player purely out of desperation when they did not have confidence in him. You might do that on day three but not with the number 6 pick in the draft.
“There has been much national media attention on the loss of Saquon Barkley, without the recognition that Barkley really only had two good seasons with the Giants.”
I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to the media talking about how much the Giants will miss him
Barkley is going to shine brighter in Philly.
Wholeheartedly agree and people will get pissed off but let's face it, the Giants were never the right team for SB to flourish. It should be no surprise that he will do well in Philly. Shame on us
whether the Giants draft improved the 2024 roster compared to the 2023 roster, but whether the 2024 Giants roster is better able to compete against the Eagles, Cowboys and Commanders rosters. Looking at how each of those 3 teams attacked free agency and the draft it is hard to come away thinking that the Giants are going to be that much better in 2024 than last year. Call me pessimistic, but the depth on both sides of the ball still seems relatively thin when compared to the rest of the NFC East.
whether the Giants draft improved the 2024 roster compared to the 2023 roster, but whether the 2024 Giants roster is better able to compete against the Eagles, Cowboys and Commanders rosters. Looking at how each of those 3 teams attacked free agency and the draft it is hard to come away thinking that the Giants are going to be that much better in 2024 than last year. Call me pessimistic, but the depth on both sides of the ball still seems relatively thin when compared to the rest of the NFC East.
whether the Giants draft improved the 2024 roster compared to the 2023 roster, but whether the 2024 Giants roster is better able to compete against the Eagles, Cowboys and Commanders rosters. Looking at how each of those 3 teams attacked free agency and the draft it is hard to come away thinking that the Giants are going to be that much better in 2024 than last year. Call me pessimistic, but the depth on both sides of the ball still seems relatively thin when compared to the rest of the NFC East.
Improving the roster and able to compete with whomever is the same thing. If you improve the roster, then you are better able to compete - no need to be complicated.
the Giants have versus the other three teams in the NFC East is the quarterback position.
Cowboys have not had a good offseason. They did add a couple of bodies to a major need area (OL) but were completely inactive in free agency, had a so-so draft, and have a brewing contract mess at QB. McCarthy is very much on the hot seat.
The Eagles have had a very strong offseason once again. However, their collapse at the end of last year was a real eye-opener. They could start of really strong again, but if they stumble, again their HC is on the hotseat and which way is Hurts trending?
Washington looks like a team poised for a real rise.
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If you ask me, the division in the NFC that is poised for some quality football is the NFC North.
one of the MAJOR reasons why the Cowboys and Eagles were ahead of the Giants was the WR position.
That changed on Thursday.
I’d say that AND the trenches. Olines don’t even compare. If we could somehow begin to lay that Oline foundation, then it’s possible that we will be competitive. Those teams also do a very good job of keeping the trenches strong. We didn’t draft one DLine or Olineman and so we had to rely heavily on FA this year.
one of the MAJOR reasons why the Cowboys and Eagles were ahead of the Giants was the WR position.
That changed on Thursday.
I’d say that AND the trenches. Olines don’t even compare. If we could somehow begin to lay that Oline foundation, then it’s possible that we will be competitive. Those teams also do a very good job of keeping the trenches strong. We didn’t draft one DLine or Olineman and so we had to rely heavily on FA this year.
If you've read any of my game previews in the past 12 years, you know I've harped on the trenches. But again, the Giants are closing the gaps here. Burns is part of that. All of the OL draft picks and signings are part of that. And the Cowboys and Eagles have lost some important parts.
and pretty accurate all around to where we are. I will readily admit I wanted Maye (and even at a VERY high Cost) but to be honest, I think the Patriots were effing around to see if someone would give them a fools ransom for the pick and for the most part had no real interest in trading it away. That is a weird thing to do with your now "franchise QB" choice but it is what they did.
There will be some folks here who will use this as their proof positive John Mara interference and Giants "bias" towards QB prospects but that mainly just reveals their unwavering bias and negativity. Many here claim to be fans but enjoy the hurt and complaining far more than the winning (proof positive was seen in 2022 by some who disappeared while the Giants were winning, only to return when the VERY over matched Giants lost to the Eagles - a team within moments of a SB victory if not for Patrick Mahomes).
I will agree with you that Nabers (though not my first choice) changes the WR room greatly. Add in the fact that WDR was really coming on last season, Hyatt was a guy who showed great speed on the field that can be exploited this year- even more with Nabers there and Slayton who as a 3rd/4th WR target could be a major mismatch for defenses..
The biggest question isn't really QB- I know, I know, but hear me out for a second. The biggest question is our Oline. Last year our ragtag group of QB's, with not a lot happening at TE, 3rd WR and beyond and even out of the backfield compiled 15 TD passes and 29 total TD's as a team. With our improved weapons and a pretty to very improved OLINE (I mean the bar is low so very improved could still be middle of the pack and be a huge improvement) we could easily see those passing TD numbers go up by 8-10. Is that Daniel Jones or is that Drew Lock? Hell, does Tommy Devito end up playing?
The Giants for whatever reason you want to apply are rolling with those three into the 2024 season. We made the playoffs in 2022 with less talent. There are teams all over the conference with major question marks. We really don't know what we had last year because it started to get effed up right off in camp with Oline injuries, Waller coming up lame right before the start of the season and then the Oline injuries and collapse right out of the gate..
The 2024 NY Giants need their Oline to be better. That is where this season starts and stops. Who plays QB is less impacting at the moment.
This is where you lose me. I know you did NOT feel McCarthy was worth a lottery pick but you would have drafted him since he's a better prospect than Jones. I also recall you thinking Penix & Nix were not worth lottery picks.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
This is where you lose me. I know you did NOT feel McCarthy was worth a lottery pick but you would have drafted him since he's a better prospect than Jones. I also recall you thinking Penix & Nix were not worth lottery picks.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I gotta agree with you.
Even Schwartz writes about how they wanted Maye today
the Giants have versus the other three teams in the NFC East is the quarterback position.
Cowboys have not had a good offseason. They did add a couple of bodies to a major need area (OL) but were completely inactive in free agency, had a so-so draft, and have a brewing contract mess at QB. McCarthy is very much on the hot seat.
The Eagles have had a very strong offseason once again. However, their collapse at the end of last year was a real eye-opener. They could start of really strong again, but if they stumble, again their HC is on the hotseat and which way is Hurts trending?
Washington looks like a team poised for a real rise.
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If you ask me, the division in the NFC that is poised for some quality football is the NFC North.
The Cowboys had top 5 offensive and defensive units last year in terms of scoring. The Giants were bottom of the barrel. We can debate about who won the off season until the start of the season, but the Cowboys blew out the Giants twice last year and regardless of the excuses, those games were not even close. I am generally happy with the overall direction of the Giants roster under Schoen and Daboll, but the team is still far off from competing with the Eagles and Cowboys. That's my only point.
Is that Jones has slipped the noose a few times already under this regime. First it was the worst QB draft in recent history when we had the 5 and 7, then the Giants played themselves out of a strong QB class last year and this recent decision to go with a deep blue chip WR over the next tier of QB after they had played themselves out of the top tier in december. There's reasonable concern from that standpoint that the Giants somehow kick the can again next year.
However, it's been confirmed by multiple reporters that the Giants tried to move and offered a significant amount to move but Kraft wasn't budging. If the Giants lost another game or two or even the Cardinals ended up with the 3rd pick, the Giants likely have Maye as their prospect this year. There's nothing about their actions towards QB this draft or the realities of the Jones contract situation that should lead you to believe he's on anything more than 1 year deal right now.
-- A shot of the NYG War Room, I can't help but notice that Mara looks very happy when we draft Nabers.
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
I have probably watched that video ten times. Mara looks as jubilant as he was when we last won the SB.
If you’ve lost BW on your anti-Mara conspiracy, time to go back to the drawing board…
He is such a damn drama queen. Him watching the draft room for post pick reactions TEN times trying to find any ounce of something to criticize in his never ending crusade to over analyze anything and everything is so on brand. I also love the way he gets excited for and tries to breakdown every word said and facial expression made during worthless press conferences to find some kind of “proof” of whatever his most recent narratives are at the time
This is where you lose me. I know you did NOT feel McCarthy was worth a lottery pick but you would have drafted him since he's a better prospect than Jones. I also recall you thinking Penix & Nix were not worth lottery picks.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
This is where you lose me. I know you did NOT feel McCarthy was worth a lottery pick but you would have drafted him since he's a better prospect than Jones. I also recall you thinking Penix & Nix were not worth lottery picks.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
Yes, that is true. But you were not enthusiastic about McCarthy, Penix or Nix at six if I recall.
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
Yes, that is true. But you were not enthusiastic about McCarthy, Penix or Nix at six if I recall.
I would not have selected Nix or Penix at #6 - true.
However, I did say right before the draft (I believe someone started a thread with this very example) that if we selected McCarthy at #6, I would have held my nose and gone along with it because he is better than Jones and he had the pedigree (unlike Jones).
If the Giants had selected McCarthy and he was an abject failure you would be the first to kill the Giants.
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
We would look back and say we passed up on Nabors for a flawed QB.
The Giants are in a better position to find their QB of the future.
Whether threw the draft or free agency.
Remember Zak is a free agent next year. He is far superior to any of the draft prospects.
Think of what he could do with Nabors et al.
between drafting McCarthy or going WR. In retrospect I am ok with them going blue chip WR in Nabers. The Giants stuck to their board and did not overreach to fill a need.
And while I wanted them to go OL & DL in rounds 2 and 3 they again stuck to their board so, I am fine with the draft. They signed a couple of FA OL & DL so we'll see if they find a player there.
If the Giants had selected McCarthy and he was an abject failure you would be the first to kill the Giants.
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
That's not true. I could live with the mistake if McCarthy was a dud. The key is admitting the mistake and pivoting away as soon as possible.
No one reasonable expects perfect. What should be expected is not let the mistake drag on and on and on. And as we see for the QB spot, that becomes an enormous albatross to moving forward.
The Giants signed 5 FA OL including two starters (Runyan, Eluemunor). They have some young players with traits that they may not have given up on (McKethan, JMS, Neal, Ezeudu). The results remain to be seen and the awful past has left us pessimistic.
You can always get better but we have 5 legitimate players on the DL which is more than most teams.
I also think they will be OK at CB as one of Robinson, Flott, McCloud, or Hawkins could rise to the occasion.
Slot corner was a weakness and hopefully Phillips (or an improved Flott) will fix that. Help was needed.
Safety had Pinnock, Belton (unproven but potential), and Owens. Help was needed and Nubin seems to fit the mold.
We also needed a TE and Johnson was a good value at that point. I think you go BPA in the 5th and 6th and Tracey seems intriguing.
Where do you think they should have gone OL or DL and would it have had more of an impact than the players that were picked are likely to have?
If the Giants had selected McCarthy and he was an abject failure you would be the first to kill the Giants.
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
We would look back and say we passed up on Nabors for a flawed QB.
The Giants are in a better position to find their QB of the future.
Whether threw the draft or free agency.
Remember Zak is a free agent next year. He is far superior to any of the draft prospects.
Think of what he could do with Nabors et al.
they can't sign a FA QB AND cut Jones and have a $22 million dead cap hit.
Im slowly backing away from the ledge. Man I was disappointed on Thursday. Hope for a productive 2024 season.
If you're disappointed by what happened on Thursday then I would say you don't really understand about drafting a quarterback.
They wanted Maye, the Patriots weren't giving up the #3 pick to either us or the Vikings.
There weren't convinced by any of McCarthy, Penix, or Nix. You don't take a punt on a quarterback, definitely not in the first round. There has to be a conviction there about the player.
It was a good draft, a very good draft. And don't forget, our original second round pick netted us Brian Burns. Again, if you can't get excited by that addition, I don't know what to say.
Over all I really like the draft. I am ok with taking Nabers over JJM/Penix/Nix. He is clearly the better prospect and makes our team so much better. I still do wish we took Milton or even Pratt with that last pick instead of a LB. We needed new blood and I don't consider Drew Lock new blood. If DJ isn't healthy to start we needed another QB anyways. Milton to me with the monster arm, great size, and running ability would have been a guy we could win with short term. With his arm you couldn't let Hyatt and Nabers run down the field because he can hit them from 80 yards away.
Overall though the draft was good and I am happy. I can't wait for the season as always.
And, they brought in Brecillo.
I saw nothing to make me think he is, or is not, the center of the future. Hopefully he can have a year where a proper evaluation can be made.
I think the overall draft went very well. The team is much better today than when we ended the season. The key to this whole thing is the OL. If they actually improved this team can compete with most teams in the league. I think there are about 4-5 top tier teams. We are not in that group. Then there are about 20 or so teams that are second tier depending how things shake out. If the OL is improved we are in that group of 20. Then there are about 6-7 are at the bottom. I think a smart off-season has gotten us out of the bottom.
Our year 3 draft guys have to take the leap. Thibs has every opportunity to be great with 2 other great players on the DL. This is the end of the line for Neal. He is either an NFL player or he should be on the bench. The 2nd year guys need to improve. JMS has to be at least an average C, but we have a little depth.
This season, top to bottom has to be an open competition at every spot. The only 3 that deserve a scholarship are Thomas, Okereke & Dex. Everyone else needs to earn their spot.
Unlike most, I am excited for the season. I think a stud WR an an improved OL will have this O more exciting. The speed we have at WR will open up the running lanes and we will have more production in the running game. On D the improved pass rush should help the guys in the secondary. CB 2 is a big question mark and I’m hoping someone on the roster can seize the opportunity.
10 wins is within reach.
-- Jones wins a playoff game and plays pretty well in 2022.
-- In March 2022, Schoen bids against himself and writes a big contract for Team Jones.
-- Jones is declared the future.
-- Jones looks really good in his one preseason game.
-- Going into 2023, it's widely accepted that the 2024 class of QBs is terrific.
-- Giants get destroyed opening night.
-- They start 2-8 and are looking great to have the highest of picks.
-- Giants finish 4-3 and miss out on a top three spot in the draft. They are in the 6th slot.
-- Jones has an awful year on and off the field.
-- McCarthy declares for the draft.
-- Schoen signs Lock.
-- In the pre-draft run up, it's clear that at least five QBs are going in the first round. And maybe six.
-- Schoen, Daboll and staffs are traveling all around the country apparently kicking the tires on these QBs.
-- Days before the draft, we have reports that Schoen is ready to strike to make a deal to move up in the draft for a QB.
-- On Thursday, Schoen reportedly gets rejected to move up to the three slot.
-- Three QBs are selected before the 6th pick.
-- Schoen passes on the next three Nix, Penix, McCarthy.
-- A shot of the NYG War Room, I can't help but notice that Mara looks very happy when we draft Nabers.
-- At the end of Thursday, Schoen says he texted Jones on the Nabers pick and says he is "very comfortable" with the QB room.
-- Schoen does not draft any QBs the remainder of the draft.
-- In his post-draft presser, Schoen does not confirm he tried to trade up. He reiterates that they are set at QB.
-- At the same post-draft presser, Daboll seems right in line with Schoen.
-- Daniel Jones is still rehabbing and will likely be the QB for the 6th consecutive year.
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
Why would Schoen and Daboll admit to trying to replace Daniel Jones? Use your head.
Eric,
Well said.
Why would Schoen and Daboll admit to trying to replace Daniel Jones? Use your head.
Who is saying they should admit it? I just wrote what happened.
In fact, before Thursday started, I said it was going to be interesting watching Schoen at his presser if he doesn't draft a QB...
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
I have probably watched that video ten times. Mara looks as jubilant as he was when we last won the SB.
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-- A shot of the NYG War Room, I can't help but notice that Mara looks very happy when we draft Nabers.
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
I have probably watched that video ten times. Mara looks as jubilant as he was when we last won the SB.
If you’ve lost BW on your anti-Mara conspiracy, time to go back to the drawing board…
The answer has to be that it is absolutely wrong to draft a player at 6 if you don't have confidence in him.
Maybe the Giants' evaluations of those three QBs was wrong, and they made a mistake. But there is no question that they did through evaluations of all the QBs.
What is not open to doubt is that it would have been a terrible mistake-absolute negligence- to draft a player at 6 if you don't have confidence in him.
BTW, great write-up Eric. Get some sleep.
Regardless of how those three QBs turn out, the Giants were correct not to reach for a player purely out of desperation when they did not have confidence in him. You might do that on day three but not with the number 6 pick in the draft.
Not surprised by your comment because you wanted a QB. If they dated JJM I highly doubt you would say that
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“There has been much national media attention on the loss of Saquon Barkley, without the recognition that Barkley really only had two good seasons with the Giants.”
I felt like I was taking crazy pills listening to the media talking about how much the Giants will miss him
Barkley is going to shine brighter in Philly.
Wholeheartedly agree and people will get pissed off but let's face it, the Giants were never the right team for SB to flourish. It should be no surprise that he will do well in Philly. Shame on us
Burns is only 25.
He's 26.
You lost me at Cowboys.
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Burns is only 25.
He's 26.
He just turned 26 on April 23.
Improving the roster and able to compete with whomever is the same thing. If you improve the roster, then you are better able to compete - no need to be complicated.
The roster is better.
Cowboys have not had a good offseason. They did add a couple of bodies to a major need area (OL) but were completely inactive in free agency, had a so-so draft, and have a brewing contract mess at QB. McCarthy is very much on the hot seat.
The Eagles have had a very strong offseason once again. However, their collapse at the end of last year was a real eye-opener. They could start of really strong again, but if they stumble, again their HC is on the hotseat and which way is Hurts trending?
Washington looks like a team poised for a real rise.
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If you ask me, the division in the NFC that is poised for some quality football is the NFC North.
That changed on Thursday.
That changed on Thursday.
I’d say that AND the trenches. Olines don’t even compare. If we could somehow begin to lay that Oline foundation, then it’s possible that we will be competitive. Those teams also do a very good job of keeping the trenches strong. We didn’t draft one DLine or Olineman and so we had to rely heavily on FA this year.
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one of the MAJOR reasons why the Cowboys and Eagles were ahead of the Giants was the WR position.
That changed on Thursday.
I’d say that AND the trenches. Olines don’t even compare. If we could somehow begin to lay that Oline foundation, then it’s possible that we will be competitive. Those teams also do a very good job of keeping the trenches strong. We didn’t draft one DLine or Olineman and so we had to rely heavily on FA this year.
If you've read any of my game previews in the past 12 years, you know I've harped on the trenches. But again, the Giants are closing the gaps here. Burns is part of that. All of the OL draft picks and signings are part of that. And the Cowboys and Eagles have lost some important parts.
There will be some folks here who will use this as their proof positive John Mara interference and Giants "bias" towards QB prospects but that mainly just reveals their unwavering bias and negativity. Many here claim to be fans but enjoy the hurt and complaining far more than the winning (proof positive was seen in 2022 by some who disappeared while the Giants were winning, only to return when the VERY over matched Giants lost to the Eagles - a team within moments of a SB victory if not for Patrick Mahomes).
I will agree with you that Nabers (though not my first choice) changes the WR room greatly. Add in the fact that WDR was really coming on last season, Hyatt was a guy who showed great speed on the field that can be exploited this year- even more with Nabers there and Slayton who as a 3rd/4th WR target could be a major mismatch for defenses..
The biggest question isn't really QB- I know, I know, but hear me out for a second. The biggest question is our Oline. Last year our ragtag group of QB's, with not a lot happening at TE, 3rd WR and beyond and even out of the backfield compiled 15 TD passes and 29 total TD's as a team. With our improved weapons and a pretty to very improved OLINE (I mean the bar is low so very improved could still be middle of the pack and be a huge improvement) we could easily see those passing TD numbers go up by 8-10. Is that Daniel Jones or is that Drew Lock? Hell, does Tommy Devito end up playing?
The Giants for whatever reason you want to apply are rolling with those three into the 2024 season. We made the playoffs in 2022 with less talent. There are teams all over the conference with major question marks. We really don't know what we had last year because it started to get effed up right off in camp with Oline injuries, Waller coming up lame right before the start of the season and then the Oline injuries and collapse right out of the gate..
The 2024 NY Giants need their Oline to be better. That is where this season starts and stops. Who plays QB is less impacting at the moment.
Possibly.... I mean Possibly...
Next qb1 going forward if jones sucks/injured again.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I gotta agree with you.
Cowboys have not had a good offseason. They did add a couple of bodies to a major need area (OL) but were completely inactive in free agency, had a so-so draft, and have a brewing contract mess at QB. McCarthy is very much on the hot seat.
The Eagles have had a very strong offseason once again. However, their collapse at the end of last year was a real eye-opener. They could start of really strong again, but if they stumble, again their HC is on the hotseat and which way is Hurts trending?
Washington looks like a team poised for a real rise.
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If you ask me, the division in the NFC that is poised for some quality football is the NFC North.
The Cowboys had top 5 offensive and defensive units last year in terms of scoring. The Giants were bottom of the barrel. We can debate about who won the off season until the start of the season, but the Cowboys blew out the Giants twice last year and regardless of the excuses, those games were not even close. I am generally happy with the overall direction of the Giants roster under Schoen and Daboll, but the team is still far off from competing with the Eagles and Cowboys. That's my only point.
However, it's been confirmed by multiple reporters that the Giants tried to move and offered a significant amount to move but Kraft wasn't budging. If the Giants lost another game or two or even the Cardinals ended up with the 3rd pick, the Giants likely have Maye as their prospect this year. There's nothing about their actions towards QB this draft or the realities of the Jones contract situation that should lead you to believe he's on anything more than 1 year deal right now.
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-- A shot of the NYG War Room, I can't help but notice that Mara looks very happy when we draft Nabers.
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
I have probably watched that video ten times. Mara looks as jubilant as he was when we last won the SB.
If you’ve lost BW on your anti-Mara conspiracy, time to go back to the drawing board…
He is such a damn drama queen. Him watching the draft room for post pick reactions TEN times trying to find any ounce of something to criticize in his never ending crusade to over analyze anything and everything is so on brand. I also love the way he gets excited for and tries to breakdown every word said and facial expression made during worthless press conferences to find some kind of “proof” of whatever his most recent narratives are at the time
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
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This is where you lose me. I know you did NOT feel McCarthy was worth a lottery pick but you would have drafted him since he's a better prospect than Jones. I also recall you thinking Penix & Nix were not worth lottery picks.
So, Schoen was aligned with your thinking to trade up for Maye.
I'll keep saying this. Jones is a year to year QB, there is now a legit exit ramp after this season.
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
Yes, that is true. But you were not enthusiastic about McCarthy, Penix or Nix at six if I recall.
They coveted Maye.
I am not a fan of Maye, and I like McCarthy.
I have to defer to the Giants' brain trust they did their due diligence on all of the QBs.
They had concerns with McCarthy, Penix, and Nix.
Time will tell if they made the right decision.
Likely, two of those QBs will not become franchise QBs.
Those are not great odds.
The Giants have selected a highly-rated player at a premium position of need.
Selecting a questionable QB would have been a terrible choice. For those who did not like the Jones selection this could have been Jones 2.0
I am not following you. I just chronicled how this QB soap opera has unfolded since the end of last season.
Yes, that is true. But you were not enthusiastic about McCarthy, Penix or Nix at six if I recall.
I would not have selected Nix or Penix at #6 - true.
However, I did say right before the draft (I believe someone started a thread with this very example) that if we selected McCarthy at #6, I would have held my nose and gone along with it because he is better than Jones and he had the pedigree (unlike Jones).
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
We would look back and say we passed up on Nabors for a flawed QB.
The Giants are in a better position to find their QB of the future.
Whether threw the draft or free agency.
Remember Zak is a free agent next year. He is far superior to any of the draft prospects.
Think of what he could do with Nabors et al.
And while I wanted them to go OL & DL in rounds 2 and 3 they again stuck to their board so, I am fine with the draft. They signed a couple of FA OL & DL so we'll see if they find a player there.
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
That's not true. I could live with the mistake if McCarthy was a dud. The key is admitting the mistake and pivoting away as soon as possible.
No one reasonable expects perfect. What should be expected is not let the mistake drag on and on and on. And as we see for the QB spot, that becomes an enormous albatross to moving forward.
You can always get better but we have 5 legitimate players on the DL which is more than most teams.
I also think they will be OK at CB as one of Robinson, Flott, McCloud, or Hawkins could rise to the occasion.
Slot corner was a weakness and hopefully Phillips (or an improved Flott) will fix that. Help was needed.
Safety had Pinnock, Belton (unproven but potential), and Owens. Help was needed and Nubin seems to fit the mold.
We also needed a TE and Johnson was a good value at that point. I think you go BPA in the 5th and 6th and Tracey seems intriguing.
Where do you think they should have gone OL or DL and would it have had more of an impact than the players that were picked are likely to have?
You would be researching the Giants' next QB in two years.
We would look back and say we passed up on Nabors for a flawed QB.
The Giants are in a better position to find their QB of the future.
Whether threw the draft or free agency.
Remember Zak is a free agent next year. He is far superior to any of the draft prospects.
Think of what he could do with Nabors et al.
they can't sign a FA QB AND cut Jones and have a $22 million dead cap hit.
I'll take your word that it's financially doable.
But even if it is, Dak would not be the guy I'd do it for.
If you're disappointed by what happened on Thursday then I would say you don't really understand about drafting a quarterback.
They wanted Maye, the Patriots weren't giving up the #3 pick to either us or the Vikings.
There weren't convinced by any of McCarthy, Penix, or Nix. You don't take a punt on a quarterback, definitely not in the first round. There has to be a conviction there about the player.
It was a good draft, a very good draft. And don't forget, our original second round pick netted us Brian Burns. Again, if you can't get excited by that addition, I don't know what to say.
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-- A shot of the NYG War Room, I can't help but notice that Mara looks very happy when we draft Nabers.
Of course he is. Mara views Jones as a son. His affinity for Jones is something that is beyond comprehension.
I have probably watched that video ten times. Mara looks as jubilant as he was when we last won the SB.
If you’ve lost BW on your anti-Mara conspiracy, time to go back to the drawing board…
+1
Overall though the draft was good and I am happy. I can't wait for the season as always.