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Veteran DB Shopping

Eric on Li : 4/28/2024 6:02 pm
earlier in the offseason we know they visited 2 veteran corners - both of whom who got cut so weren't part of comp pick formula:

1. darious williams, age 31, got 3 years 22.5 from LAR, 7m gtd
2. tredavious white, age 29, got 1 year 4.25m from LAR, 3.25m gtd

if they weren't averse to paying around $3-5m for an older veteran corner then, id imagine phillips isnt enough to change that.

right now the top veteran CBs on the market by snaps played last year are:

3. patrick peterson, age 34, played 97% snaps for Pit, made $7m
4. akhello witherspoon, age 29, played 93.5% snaps for LAR, made 1m
5. steven nelson, age 31, played 89% snaps for Hou, made 5.5m
6. stephon gilmore, age 34, played 87% snaps for Dal, made 10m
7. adoree jackson, age 29, played 70% snaps for nyg, made 13m

i think the adoree ship sailed and after that you are basically into fabian moureau territory.

witherspoon, nelson, and gilmore are interesting. all 3 started and played almost all year for playoff teams. gilmore is the best player but also the oldest and probably still most expensive. peterson is somewhat interesting too, he had a good year 2 years ago in MIN and pit was also a playoff team.

i looked at some younger options likely to get their 5YO's declined as well like eric stokes and caleb farley, but they dont really seem like good fits. farley had trouble cracking the field for bowen in TEN even though their corners werent great. stokes had a promising start to his career then regressed.

with the current corner back room all young guys i think one of these stop gap vets could make sense once the comp pick period is over. once waller retires they get another $6.5m of cap room, spending $3-5m of that one of these guys seems like a good idea, then let flott/phillips/mccloud compete for CB3 in slot.

1 other DB direction they could go is for more of a hybrid S/slot like Micah Hyde (age 34). he played 74% snaps last year and made 9m. was a captain in BUF. an outside corner may be more ideal, but hyde getting the chance to play all over and in a defense that uses a lot of 3 safety looks could work. other than mills safety room is also very young.

i agree with those who suggest adding DL too but there arent really any obvious FA names other than calais campbell and at 37 my guess is if he continues playing it would be for a contender. there are some ex-titan DL out there on the market, maybe they bring 1 or 2 of them to camp on minimum contracts. a rashaad penny type would make sense as well but that wouldn't be too expensive. he basically made the minimum in philly last year and they never played him.

so TL:DR if they spend on 1 more starter level player before camp, DB seems like the place to do it whether it's someone with position flex like Hyde or a more traditional outside corner with size like Witherspoon. he is 6'2 with 33 inch arms and has basically played for playoff teams his whole career (SF, SEA, PIT, LAR). great athlete too, was supposedly a good mentor for the young guys on LAR last year.

Eric (the BBI one) pointed out that Adoree's #22 has been given away  
FranknWeezer : 4/28/2024 6:52 pm : link
so history tells us tat ship has definitely sailed.
RE: Eric (the BBI one) pointed out that Adoree's #22 has been given away  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16498224 FranknWeezer said:
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so history tells us tat ship has definitely sailed.


agreed. it's a little bizarre how many players they've made captains only to vote them off the island real quick the next year. love, feliciano, barkley, adoree, mckinney, waller.
I forget the date, but pretty soon the compensation formula won't  
Optimus-NY : 4/28/2024 7:27 pm : link
matter anymore. Last year it was shortly after the draft in early May if I'm not mistaken. Any free agent signed after that date won't count in the compensation formula. I think it was in early May last year.
I didn't care much for  
Bill in UT : 4/28/2024 7:28 pm : link
Peterson his last few years with AZ
RE: I forget the date, but pretty soon the compensation formula won't  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2024 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16498304 Optimus-NY said:
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matter anymore. Last year it was shortly after the draft in early May if I'm not mistaken. Any free agent signed after that date won't count in the compensation formula. I think it was in early May last year.


i think its may 1 but im not positive. and i agree, i think there's a bit of a mini-fa wave that will hit then with all the teams who have spots available they didnt hit high in the draft.
I would prefer a veteran DT .....that can put pressure on QB  
George from PA : 4/28/2024 8:22 pm : link
On passing down.....to complete the NASCAR
Andru can play slot too  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/28/2024 8:30 pm : link
has inside/out versatility.

The safety as a mid 2nd rounder was the highest rated saftey by some pretty good evaluators (like Saban and Jeremiah) and could be a day 1 starter and enough when combined with Pinnock/Belton.

So with all them 3 and 4 WR sets and not much behind a young Banks besides maybe McCloud, I agree that the next post draft is screaming for a vet CB.
My guess is they won’t sign one  
BillT : 4/28/2024 8:51 pm : link
They have Flott, Hawkins, Robinson, McCloud and Phillips at CB who I’m sure they want to develop. Giving all the starting reps to a vet doesn’t help in the long run. This is not a win now team. That said they’ll probably sign a vet tomorrow.
RE: My guess is they won’t sign one  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/28/2024 8:57 pm : link
In comment 16498467 BillT said:
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They have Flott, Hawkins, Robinson, McCloud and Phillips at CB who I’m sure they want to develop. Giving all the starting reps to a vet doesn’t help in the long run. This is not a win now team. That said they’ll probably sign a vet tomorrow.


I would think the goal is to have 4-5 CBs that are reasonably reliable or better. Banks is obviously 1. McCloud probably qualifies, but the rest are questionable. Flott is an unknown even moreso in a Bowen defense and injury prone, Hawkins an unknown, Robinson very injury prone. I think a vet to balance out an overwhelmingly young group makes a ton of sense.
RE: I didn't care much for  
Festina Lente : 4/28/2024 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16498307 Bill in UT said:
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Peterson his last few years with AZ

He's cooked
make an extension or somethign clear some space  
bigbluewillrise : 4/28/2024 10:08 pm : link
i want gilmore bad.
RE: make an extension or somethign clear some space  
Eric on Li : 4/28/2024 10:26 pm : link
In comment 16498548 bigbluewillrise said:
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i want gilmore bad.


spend enough and anything can happen but not sure he'd go to a non-contender. if they were going to spend as much as he probably wants they may have gotten white or williams.
I'll go with the kids  
SLIM_ : 4/28/2024 11:31 pm : link
Obviously they are looking at Banks establishing himself as the #1 corner. After that, you don't have a clear cut guy as the 2nd outside guy or nickle but you have some numbers. McCloud starts camp as the starter but you also have Flott and Hawkins who could push and of course Phillips if you start on the outside. You also have Darnay on the inside who may be better in Bowen's system. I'm excluding Robinson as there has been no sign he is coming back. That's 6 right there.

For safeties (at least in name), you have Pinnock who returns as the starter. Then you have Belton, Nubin, Owens and Mills. That's 5 and you could see Simmons in a nickle safety roll also.

Yes, lots of youth but Henderson has done a very good job of getting them ready. Banks, Nubin, Phillips and FLott were all Day 1/Day 2 picks. I'd prefer to go with youth.

Defensive line is another story. We could use a guy who can play 5 technique and/or bump inside on passing downs. We could also use a 4th edge.
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