How athletic are the Giants now?

Jones isnt on there say what you want about his game but the kids a great athlete.

actually equated to wins.

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actually equated to wins.

If only our fanbase didn't have to be a bunch of downtrodden, miserable, hate everything basement dwellers...

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In comment 16498726 rebel yell said: Quote: actually equated to wins. If only our fanbase didn't have to be a bunch of downtrodden, miserable, hate everything basement dwellers...

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it was Schefter (not sure), but he reported that Daboll said before last year's draft that the Giants may be the slowest team in the NFL. They've really changed that.

JMS is an exception. We’ve repeatedly shown a preference for measurable skills.

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actually equated to wins.

.... well not having it translates to losses

About BFW. He was having a good camp last year, right?

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it's always fun when the 'no plan' 'no strategy' 'no vision' people chime in to criticize new strategies as ineffective.

Jeremiah said it on NFL Network about the lack of speed. I was a little surprised by the comment as they do have some burners but they could use more at some position groups.

In 2022 the Giants were a read option and short, quick passing offense.

2023 was such a disaster it's hard to make any guess as to what changes in offensive strategy they were hoping for.

Post-ACL Jones and no Barkley, plus Nabers and Johnson to go along with Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson -- I suspect the Giants want to air it out more.

The Giants 4 top receivers could quite literally make the finals in a world 4x100.

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Jeremiah said it on NFL Network about the lack of speed. I was a little surprised by the comment as they do have some burners but they could use more at some position groups.

Thanks.

While he said it when the Giants were on the clock this year, he was saying Daboll said it during the 2023 Draft.

campbell and waller were both players who played from the slot half the time or more.

hyatt also checked that box to some degree even though they played him outside 90%.

wandale had been their initial attempt at explosiveness from slot but got hurt, and a lot like jones this year we didnt know how much he could be counted on in march/april 2023.

campball and waller busted so they arent really a loss, but if you compound their draft picks now (robinson, hyatt, nabers) that's i think clearly where they are banking on production coming from. that's in part why slayton is unhappy, he wants more $ and he sees some difficulty in getting the targets he needs this year to earn that money.

too many players for too few targets is a good problem to have. they just need to protect well and get the ball out on target.

Eric - Hopefully the Giants pass the ball about 50 more times this year and creep up to middle of the pack. There's also the 130 targets between Waller and Barkley. Maybe 30 of those get redistributed back to the WRs.

Back of the envelope projection:

Nabers 130
Robinson 80
Slayton/Hyatt 120 combined, distributed based on who wins out the role

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it was Schefter (not sure), but he reported that Daboll said before last year's draft that the Giants may be the slowest team in the NFL. They've really changed that.

Giants attempting to become Miami North.

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Eric - Hopefully the Giants pass the ball about 50 more times this year and creep up to middle of the pack. There's also the 130 targets between Waller and Barkley. Maybe 30 of those get redistributed back to the WRs. Back of the envelope projection: Nabers 130 Robinson 80 Slayton/Hyatt 120 combined, distributed based on who wins out the role

if we use a nice round 500 total targets:

Nabers definitely 100+, could be as high as 150
Robinson 80-100 probably a good guess (78 last year)
TE + RB should be 100-150 (down from about 200 last year)

so that would leave about 150-200 targets for:

slayton (79 last year),
hyatt (40 last year),
hodgins (33 last year),
mckenzie
tyler

that's an exciting group if they can protect and distribute the ball accurately (which of all things hasnt been jones issue, remember in 2022 all 3 starters had 70%+ catch rates - if it's nabers and wandale catching those balls instead of james/hodgins they should generate a lot more yards after catch).

but i would really like to see them use a good amount of 2 TE stuff. especially as Theo gets uo to speed.

2 legit 2way TE is pretty cool. could be fun, with blazers on the outside.

We also need players to be mentally fast. And physically, mentally tough. I like that this is part of the plan. A coach can say they want fast, athletic players, this shows they are doing it.

had about 160 targets when he was Buffalo. One of Buffalo's big problems in the playoffs has been the running game via the RB's. Beane has been addressing this the last years.

Agree about the two TE's. Giants can fully maximize the talent on the outside when they build and execute a strong running game (with RB's).

those who don't have good RAS scores, yet perform well, such as:

B Marshall - 5.72
M. Evans ----5.56
S Smith -----5.48
J. Nelson ---5.12
T.Y. Hilton--3.76
D Hopkins ---3.00
A Brown -----1.49
R Cobb ------1.07
W Welker ----0.56
A Boldin ----0.52

How could these WRs perform so well despite very poor athleticism? Obviously, there must be some trait the RAS is overlooking. Is that what we call the intangibles? Is it insstincts? Is it savvy? What is it the RAS is missing to explain the success of those with less than stellar RAS scores?

He wants to do it like he did at Buffalo. They tried last season, even to the point of Barkley losing some weight to be more of a pass receiver. However we couldn't do it (OL, WRs, QB), so then it was back to pounding Barkley up the gut all game long again.

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those who don't have good RAS scores, yet perform well, such as: B Marshall - 5.72 M. Evans ----5.56 S Smith -----5.48 J. Nelson ---5.12 T.Y. Hilton--3.76 D Hopkins ---3.00 A Brown -----1.49 R Cobb ------1.07 W Welker ----0.56 A Boldin ----0.52 How could these WRs perform so well despite very poor athleticism? Obviously, there must be some trait the RAS is overlooking. Is that what we call the intangibles? Is it insstincts? Is it savvy? What is it the RAS is missing to explain the success of those with less than stellar RAS scores?

they are called outliers because the odds say that prospects at the WR position with a below 50% relative athletic score make up less than 25% of nfl rosters.

also in a bunch of those cases you are citing, you are reaching back decades to when testing was far less prepared for than it is today, especially for smaller school prospects. only in the last 5-10 years did all draft prospects go to speed schools to specifically prepare for the combine as much as happens today.




Kent Lee Platte
@MathBomb
There are 1,920 players on NFL rosters currently who posted a #RAS.

Of those, 81.35% are rated 5.00 or above, with only 18.65% rated below average.

A whopping 45.21% are above 8.00, in that elite range for athletic ability when compared to their peers.

Kent lee Pratt uses the term “peers.” Is this set of peers college players? Combine invitees?

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Kent lee Pratt uses the term “peers.” Is this set of peers college players? Combine invitees?

i think it's the 1900+ players who have enough testing to be in the RAS database.

I think a lot of that had to do with the OL issues in pass protection.

Giants don't run the read option.

Say what now? - ( New Window )

“Zone-read is where the quarterback is reading the defensive end whether to give the ball or keep the ball. Zone-read-option would be you read the defensive end and now you’re going to another phase and there’s a pitch back for you. So, then you’re going to option that guy”

“So, a lot of people say you run the read-option. Not many people do that."

Chip Kelly

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I'm sure they'll appreciate the hand!