According to this article Vikings offered Pats 3 first round picks for the right to pick Maye. Giants included next year's #1 in their offer.
For those blaming Giants for not moving up,we need to realize that the Pats were not (as had been rumored prior to draft) very interested in moving down.
JS certainly did his do diligence on JJ, Penix and Nix.
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There were people who thought it was done, but Kraft meddled.
The baseline on Schoen’s decision making will be this : the play of McCarthy, Nix and Penix versus Jones , Lock and DeVito. The Giants could have drafted 4 through 6. That’s it . Schoen and Daboll staked their professional careers on this decision . I hope they chose well.
The baseline on Schoen’s decision making will be this : the play of McCarthy, Nix and Penix versus Jones , Lock and DeVito. The Giants could have drafted 4 through 6. That’s it . Schoen and Daboll staked their professional careers on this decision . I hope they chose well.
The baseline on Schoen’s decision making will be this : the play of McCarthy, Nix and Penix versus Jones , Lock and DeVito. The Giants could have drafted 4 through 6. That’s it . Schoen and Daboll staked their professional careers on this decision . I hope they chose well.
Or they win 7 or 8 games despite who’s at QB and stick around regardless of what those other QBs do. This isn’t some black and white scenario.
Given NYG is locked into Jones regardless this year, Schoen bet on Nabers over what he thought was over drafting one of the other guys.
I think it's that simple.
We Offered #6, #47 and next year’s First
Our offer was more attractive as we had a higher pick #6, and we will probably have a better first next year than the Vikings.
The Pats needed a QB more than we did and they just couldn’t overthink passing on a guy that has star potential. I don’t blame them.
Given NYG is locked into Jones regardless this year, Schoen bet on Nabers over what he thought was over drafting one of the other guys.
I think it's that simple.
It is. The months wailing and crying by grown ass men(physically anyway) is kind of sad. Good news is it’s easier than ever to get some TRT of those who can’t grasp this get help soon.
The baseline on Schoen’s decision making will be this : the play of McCarthy, Nix and Penix versus Jones , Lock and DeVito. The Giants could have drafted 4 through 6. That’s it . Schoen and Daboll staked their professional careers on this decision . I hope they chose well.
That's silly. Schoen's legacy will be how well Nabors does. Given your logic, what if Byron Murphy becomes the next Aaron Donald, or Quinyon Mitchell becomes the next Darrelle Revis? Those were areas of concern for the Giants, too. Schoen took the best player available on the Board. Some would argue he took the best player in the draft! But some people are going to worry about Penix and Nix and Rattler and Pratt...
What if Liam Thompson becomes the next Brock Purdy? What will you complain about then?
We clearly did, Schoen knows Jones is the QB of the future. Its also made clear that they're happy (even though fans aren't) with Jones as a stop gap and feels he gives them time to find "their guy".
As Eric said in his draft review, time will tell. We won't know for 3 more year whether we made the right move or not.
We clearly did...
And one of them is Sy, who is saying that the Giants "were not in on Maye" and that talks didn't get past the preliminary stage, when there appears to be "evidence" to the contrary.
As to one of the points in the OP... I don't think there are many people (if any at all) "blaming Giants for not moving up". I think many are just disappointed that it didn't happen.
Given NYG is locked into Jones regardless this year, Schoen bet on Nabers over what he thought was over drafting one of the other guys.
I think it's that simple.
It's even more than that: Jones/Lock + Nabers + our #2 this year + our#1 next year.
Given NYG is locked into Jones regardless this year, Schoen bet on Nabers over what he thought was over drafting one of the other guys.
I think it's that simple.
Agreed.
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Claiming that there is no evidence we tried to trade up for Maye.
We clearly did...
And one of them is Sy, who is saying that the Giants "were not in on Maye" and that talks didn't get past the preliminary stage, when there appears to be "evidence" to the contrary.
As to one of the points in the OP... I don't think there are many people (if any at all) "blaming Giants for not moving up". I think many are just disappointed that it didn't happen.
I can see Sy' being correct while we still tried to trade up. A scenario like Schoen calls and says "we'd like to make an offer on 3, 6, 47 and next years 1" and the response is "we're not trading it, sorry". Would be both an offer, but also talks not getting past a preliminary stage. Its semantics at this point though, there's a lot of evidence that says we at least wanted to move to 3 for Maye.
And your comment on the disappointment is spot on, honestly, its how I feel. I should be pumped about Nabers because I really think he'll be a fantastic player and also fun to watch, instead I find myself thinking "who's going to throw him the ball?".
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Was more valuable than McCarthy, Penix or Nix by themselves. It would have trickled down into round 2 because then as opposed to safety, they're picking WR.
Given NYG is locked into Jones regardless this year, Schoen bet on Nabers over what he thought was over drafting one of the other guys.
I think it's that simple.
It's even more than that: Jones/Lock + Nabers + our #2 this year + our#1 next year.
Yes. You need to include the players we did or will take with the picks that would have been included in any trade with NE.
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I get on the Giants as much as anyone around here, but as for the Maye thing...Joe all but offered up his first born to move to 3. The Pats said 'No'. & that's all she wrote. You can't force a team to trade.
There were people who thought it was done, but Kraft meddled.
Kraft rightfully meddled. It's his team. He's old, and this is likely his last shot at possibly getting the franchise QB and building a contender. He cannot sit around like other, younger owners can.
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Claiming that there is no evidence we tried to trade up for Maye.
We clearly did...
And one of them is Sy, who is saying that the Giants "were not in on Maye" and that talks didn't get past the preliminary stage, when there appears to be "evidence" to the contrary.
As to one of the points in the OP... I don't think there are many people (if any at all) "blaming Giants for not moving up". I think many are just disappointed that it didn't happen.
I think it is broader than that.
Many on the site are disappointed that they didn't come away with any QB after discussing this theme constantly since last fall. Ranging from they should have lost more games, to moving up via a trade, how hard they really tried, to just picking one at #6 or even adding one later in the draft. And this on top of fact that they haven't added a QB in the past 5 drafts.
Obviously all these can be debated as to why, but nevertheless...they came up empty.
I think you may be conflating that with people upset that the Giants didn’t do anything to address the QB position, which is a separate issue.
"The Giants clearly valued play-makers over quarterback."
Put in a different way:
"The Giants were clearly all in on Jones or they would have traded up/or traded back into round 1 to get a quarterback."
It seems the Giants put in a lot of effort attempting to move up to draft Maye which means they are not happy with the quarterback position, but they were not going to draft a quarterback 'just because'.
We clearly did, Schoen knows Jones is the QB of the future. Its also made clear that they're happy (even though fans aren't) with Jones as a stop gap and feels he gives them time to find "their guy".
As Eric said in his draft review, time will tell. We won't know for 3 more year whether we made the right move or not.
The "right" move.
Most of the naysayers forget we only had one pick, not three. What if ONE of the "next three" does become a star; Joe didn't have a crystal ball to know which of the trio it would be! Still less than even odds of "doing the right thing".