In comment 16499530 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] of Dak Prescott being the QB of this team starting in 2025. There is a substantial chance that is the plan to win until they find their guy in the draft, which may be a while if the team improves and is picking outside the top 10.
A top 6 pick was too far out to get their guy in a QB heavy draft, and QBs are not getting less important around the league. [/quote
Are you serious? Why would we want Dak? So overrated. He has had the luxury of great supporting cast since he joined the team.
Post draft - I don't think it serves the Giants in any capacity
to feed those guys bullshit about trying to trade up for Maye. Assuming their intel is coming from the Giants of course. It just creates messiness with the QB they have under contract. Pre-draft sure but now would be the time for the Giants to want other narratives out there.
It was either for Alt, Harrison, or Nabers. No other options.
Unless Sy has changed his tune from a couple of days ago, that's not what he is saying.
He has argued that the Giants didn't try to trade up, despite what the reporters in Boston, New York, and nationally are saying.
That has crossed my mind - make a big show about trying to move up to appease the fanbase, but don't actually do it.
I doubt they made a bunch of noise to piss off their QB with the hope of appeasing a fan base.
"Hey Daniel. Don't believe the rumors you are going to hear about us trying to get another QB. We are just doing that to make the fans happy because they so desperately want to replace you. But we love you..."
They were looking for a guy they had complete conviction in to stake their futures on it. Those guys weren't available and they didn't want to take the chance on anyone else, even on Maye. Sounds like they could have had Maye if they really wanted, but they didn't feel like the numbers made sense for the likelihood of Maye becoming an elite qb.
The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
I agree with you, the only were going QB if they could get one for little to no more than pick 6 while still fully believing the QB could succeed as a franchise qb. They likely tried to trade something like pick 6, 70, and 2025 2nd for pick 3 (this is traditional trade chart value).
thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
This is undoubtedly true.
However, the Boston reporters were certainly reporting the same thing from their end. New England was clearly shopping the pick and didn't publicly say they were staying put until Thursday (when Mayo made his comments to the fans before the draft).
And most importantly, Schoen and Daboll's public commitment to Jones bordered on a hostage video. Daniel also didn't look like a guy who thought his job was safe when the offseason program presser was held (also had hostage video vibes).
Everyone and their grandmother mocked Nabers to the Giants before the draft. That wasn't a surprise at all. What surprised the media was the realization that the Giants were REALLY trying to get Maye (and may actually take McCarthy). Their tone changed in the last two weeks when that dawned on them.
Every action suggest the Giants thought Maye was the only one within possible reach of landing that was worthy of selection. When he (and the other two) were off the board, they pivoted.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
I saw that. I was also objecting to classifying the other 3 as "top 12 QB draft picks" just because they were drafted there. That makes it seem like they will all justify that selection which history tells us is not the case.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
I saw that. I was also objecting to classifying the other 3 as "top 12 QB draft picks" just because they were drafted there. That makes it seem like they will all justify that selection which history tells us is not the case.
No I was just saying they were all picked in the top 12. If we hadn't signed DJ to that contract and he was franchise tagged, I bet we take one of those QBs or put more on the table to get Maye. That was my point. Mara wanted DJ here long term though, he said so himself. Franchise tagging him was never an option.
The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
This is undoubtedly true.
However, the Boston reporters were certainly reporting the same thing from their end. New England was clearly shopping the pick and didn't publicly say they were staying put until Thursday (when Mayo made his comments to the fans before the draft).
And most importantly, Schoen and Daboll's public commitment to Jones bordered on a hostage video. Daniel also didn't look like a guy who thought his job was safe when the offseason program presser was held (also had hostage video vibes).
Everyone and their grandmother mocked Nabers to the Giants before the draft. That wasn't a surprise at all. What surprised the media was the realization that the Giants were REALLY trying to get Maye (and may actually take McCarthy). Their tone changed in the last two weeks when that dawned on them.
Every action suggest the Giants thought Maye was the only one within possible reach of landing that was worthy of selection. When he (and the other two) were off the board, they pivoted.
Also, let's not forget the Seattle GM who said this of NYG to Lock: “basically sold him on the opportunity to compete to be the starter.” I know Lock himself refuted it publicly, but are we to believe the Seattle GM was lying?
This is all out there making the situation extremely uncomfortable.
They also drafted a WR who said the QB situation wasn't worked out
What if Mara was the one leaking rumors about imminent trade ups for Maye while telling DJ he might hear about rumors, but not to worry because we won't take a QB? There's a conspiracy theory for ya!
RE: They also drafted a WR who said the QB situation wasn't worked out
I mentioned it last week, it will be interesting to see if Jones and/or his reps have something to say in the aftermath and the realization the Giants tried to replace him.
Ah, this makes a lot of sense.
RE: RE: They also drafted a WR who said the QB situation wasn't worked out
That said, do I think there’s a good chance Nabers voices his frustration this fall if Jones back there & not producing? 100%.
Every top WR thinks they can make the offense go if you get the ball in their hands. Do you want a guy who says “I know the offense is struggling, so what, eventually it will get figured out”?
had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
RE: the other QBs, its the Giants FO vs. the league
and I wouldn't bet my life that the Giants outsmarted everyone. #8, #10, and #12 tells me that Penix, McCarthy, and Nix were in the "value" ballpark. Daboll had better hope that Lock/Jones can significantly outpace those three this year.
did say it was for Maye. He said it matter-of-factly (remember, this is the NYG unofficial source).
Interestingly, Kollman said matter-of-factly on another YouTube draft review for all teams that "everyone knows that Giants ownership was behind Jones' contract."
Context: He was discussing with the host that he found it fascinating that Schoen/Daboll did not draft a QB to save their own necks. He speculates they have been told their jobs are safe this year because they didn't.
Seems pretty clear the Giants were in on Maye. This is where we all get too nuts going in these extreme directions. They wanted Maye. Even fucking Paul Schwartz is reporting it.
RE: They also drafted a WR who said the QB situation wasn't worked out
had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Context: He was discussing with the host that he found it fascinating that Schoen/Daboll did not draft a QB to save their own necks. He speculates they have been told their jobs are safe this year because they didn't.
I totally agree with this conclusion. They looked very relaxed at their post-draft presser.
Sure, they didn't get the more talented, big southern white guy. But they kept their hardworking, smart, team first southern white guy. Therefore, still a lot of boxes checked... ;)
Seems pretty clear the Giants were in on Maye. This is where we all get too nuts going in these extreme directions. They wanted Maye. Even fucking Paul Schwartz is reporting it.
& I don't think the Pats ever really entertained an offer to move off of 3. That's just my take. It sucks, but it is what it is. What can Joe do if the team doesn't want to trade back? Absolutely nothing.
thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
Agree. They must have some positive medical reports. The draft tells us the Giants, at the very least, don’t think Jones sucks the way many here believe. Their actions speak volumes. I do believe that a healthy Jones possesses the skill set required to effectively run the offense provided that you reasonably protect him and you have playmakers explosive enough to break some. I hope they get a chance to see what that looks like. Tua looks way better with Waddle and Hill. Tracy is an amazing fit. Wandale is a matchup load, Hyatt can get by you, Johnson can attack the seem. Nabers is a game changing WR1 day 1.
I am excited.
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had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
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had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
The Patriots would never have considered accepting it without pick 47 and the 2025 1st.
had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
Whether they offered 47 and 2025 1st or not, I'm glad they didn't make the trade for Maye as I think it would have been a mistake that set us back severely. I just think 2025 1st and 3rd is a lowball offer personally and I don't think they wanted to make serious offers if that's all they offered.
We were offering any kind of package for an OT. If we were trying to trade up it was 100% for a QB and since the 1st 2 picks were done deals it was obviously Maye.
Also why do we need the kid gloves for Daniel's feelings?
"The goal of the draft is to build the Giants into a SB winning team. Every player at every position has to earn his spot on the roster and in the lineup. Everyone in this building is a competitor. We compete at every position."
And the QB look like hostages reciting lines nobody believes but everyone feels like they have to say.
Floating rumors to the press to appease your QB because you failed to replace him, then gave him a lucrative contract, and then failed to replace him again.
The Coach saying he expects his defensive coordinator back after having a screaming match with him before he ran away from home like a 10 year old before mutually agreeing to part ways.
Maybe there is some evidence that this organization is a bit dysfunctional?
And the QB look like hostages reciting lines nobody believes but everyone feels like they have to say.
Floating rumors to the press to appease your QB because you failed to replace him, then gave him a lucrative contract, and then failed to replace him again.
The Coach saying he expects his defensive coordinator back after having a screaming match with him before he ran away from home like a 10 year old before mutually agreeing to part ways.
Don’t forget floating your OC is going to leave and then for “Optics” because you lost so many other coaches, you deny him to leave and “promote” him with a fancy new title and pay increase but will strip him of play calling duties, presumably when enough time has passed that it doesn’t look bad.
Maybe there is some evidence that this organization is a bit dysfunctional?
thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
I love you dearly, but nobody puts that much effort into scouting QBs, putting them on the 30 list, scouting several games each to just use it as a smoke screen.
It may very well be in the end, they decided there were far too many flaws in all but Williams and Daniels to justify drafting, but they weren't pretend scouting and interviewing for their health.
The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
I had no knowledge of this, I value your confirmation. That is exactly what it seems like to me Sy. I FIRMLY believe that they had no real intention to trade up for Maye. They knew what it would take, they never got close. I think it was diversion. They were always going for Nabers. He will be the engine for the offense. This is a YAC offense. It needs multiple playmakers. Defense can alway choose to take 1 away. Absolutely had to have a real number 1.
[quote] of Dak Prescott being the QB of this team starting in 2025. There is a substantial chance that is the plan to win until they find their guy in the draft, which may be a while if the team improves and is picking outside the top 10.
A top 6 pick was too far out to get their guy in a QB heavy draft, and QBs are not getting less important around the league. [/quote
Are you serious? Why would we want Dak? So overrated. He has had the luxury of great supporting cast since he joined the team.
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It was either for Alt, Harrison, or Nabers. No other options.
Unless Sy has changed his tune from a couple of days ago, that's not what he is saying.
He has argued that the Giants didn't try to trade up, despite what the reporters in Boston, New York, and nationally are saying.
That has crossed my mind - make a big show about trying to move up to appease the fanbase, but don't actually do it.
I doubt they made a bunch of noise to piss off their QB with the hope of appeasing a fan base.
"Hey Daniel. Don't believe the rumors you are going to hear about us trying to get another QB. We are just doing that to make the fans happy because they so desperately want to replace you. But we love you..."
They were looking for a guy they had complete conviction in to stake their futures on it. Those guys weren't available and they didn't want to take the chance on anyone else, even on Maye. Sounds like they could have had Maye if they really wanted, but they didn't feel like the numbers made sense for the likelihood of Maye becoming an elite qb.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
As I said before the draft, Schefter seems to be losing his mojo.
He is talking out of his ass. He can make these statements and nobody who knows the truth will ever refute it.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
I agree with you, the only were going QB if they could get one for little to no more than pick 6 while still fully believing the QB could succeed as a franchise qb. They likely tried to trade something like pick 6, 70, and 2025 2nd for pick 3 (this is traditional trade chart value).
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
This is undoubtedly true.
However, the Boston reporters were certainly reporting the same thing from their end. New England was clearly shopping the pick and didn't publicly say they were staying put until Thursday (when Mayo made his comments to the fans before the draft).
And most importantly, Schoen and Daboll's public commitment to Jones bordered on a hostage video. Daniel also didn't look like a guy who thought his job was safe when the offseason program presser was held (also had hostage video vibes).
Everyone and their grandmother mocked Nabers to the Giants before the draft. That wasn't a surprise at all. What surprised the media was the realization that the Giants were REALLY trying to get Maye (and may actually take McCarthy). Their tone changed in the last two weeks when that dawned on them.
Every action suggest the Giants thought Maye was the only one within possible reach of landing that was worthy of selection. When he (and the other two) were off the board, they pivoted.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
I saw that. I was also objecting to classifying the other 3 as "top 12 QB draft picks" just because they were drafted there. That makes it seem like they will all justify that selection which history tells us is not the case.
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thinks they made the decision on no QB this year prior to the draft anyway.
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From a numbers standpoint this makes sense. Signing Jones to that albatross of a contract only to replace him the following year while still owing him at least 70 million over the next two seasons is a surefire way to get fired unless you feel like you have a surefire pick at an elite QB on your hands. This approach buys them more time in Mara's eyes.
That would not surprise me at all. They gave him two years on the contract so I would not be surprised if Mara told them you need to give him the full two years. Drafting a QB in the first means they only really gave him one before they made the decision to move on.
This is the most logical reasoning for not trading the farm for a QB and passing up on 3 other top 12 qb draft picks.
Just because 3 other QB's were drafted in the Top 12 does not mean that the Giants had them rated highly. Teams thought guys like Cade McNown, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Rosen, Christian Ponder, etc. were worthy of being taken that high and look how they turned out.
Did you read what I said in in the first post? I folded it for you, I said they needed to feel utmost conviction in the guy otherwise they are risking their careers drafting a new qb after signing DJ--whom is beloved by Mara--just last year to a big contract and still owing him 70 million minimum over the next 2 years.
I saw that. I was also objecting to classifying the other 3 as "top 12 QB draft picks" just because they were drafted there. That makes it seem like they will all justify that selection which history tells us is not the case.
No I was just saying they were all picked in the top 12. If we hadn't signed DJ to that contract and he was franchise tagged, I bet we take one of those QBs or put more on the table to get Maye. That was my point. Mara wanted DJ here long term though, he said so himself. Franchise tagging him was never an option.
I'm very curious to see how this is handled.
Get ready for a lot of fake posturing by all parties during the press conferences this year (similar to the Daboll/Wink pressers).
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The amount of people inside the building that actually know what Schoen is thinking is minuscule. Very different that previous regimes.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.
This is undoubtedly true.
However, the Boston reporters were certainly reporting the same thing from their end. New England was clearly shopping the pick and didn't publicly say they were staying put until Thursday (when Mayo made his comments to the fans before the draft).
And most importantly, Schoen and Daboll's public commitment to Jones bordered on a hostage video. Daniel also didn't look like a guy who thought his job was safe when the offseason program presser was held (also had hostage video vibes).
Everyone and their grandmother mocked Nabers to the Giants before the draft. That wasn't a surprise at all. What surprised the media was the realization that the Giants were REALLY trying to get Maye (and may actually take McCarthy). Their tone changed in the last two weeks when that dawned on them.
Every action suggest the Giants thought Maye was the only one within possible reach of landing that was worthy of selection. When he (and the other two) were off the board, they pivoted.
Also, let's not forget the Seattle GM who said this of NYG to Lock: “basically sold him on the opportunity to compete to be the starter.” I know Lock himself refuted it publicly, but are we to believe the Seattle GM was lying?
This is all out there making the situation extremely uncomfortable.
What if Mara was the one leaking rumors about imminent trade ups for Maye while telling DJ he might hear about rumors, but not to worry because we won't take a QB? There's a conspiracy theory for ya!
Nabers would get irritated when Daniels didn't use him enough.
Pretty big change in talent going to Jones.
Sometimes the first reply is the best.
Eh, that quote was taken out of context.
That said, do I think there’s a good chance Nabers voices his frustration this fall if Jones back there & not producing? 100%.
Ah, this makes a lot of sense.
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Great vibes.
Eh, that quote was taken out of context.
That said, do I think there’s a good chance Nabers voices his frustration this fall if Jones back there & not producing? 100%.
Every top WR thinks they can make the offense go if you get the ball in their hands. Do you want a guy who says “I know the offense is struggling, so what, eventually it will get figured out”?
"The Giants were definitely not looking to replace Jones."
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
I think Schefter is completely out to lunch here.
Interestingly, Kollman said matter-of-factly on another YouTube draft review for all teams that "everyone knows that Giants ownership was behind Jones' contract."
Context: He was discussing with the host that he found it fascinating that Schoen/Daboll did not draft a QB to save their own necks. He speculates they have been told their jobs are safe this year because they didn't.
Take it easy Eeyore
If they didn't add pick 47, then it wasn't a serious offer.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Context: He was discussing with the host that he found it fascinating that Schoen/Daboll did not draft a QB to save their own necks. He speculates they have been told their jobs are safe this year because they didn't.
I totally agree with this conclusion. They looked very relaxed at their post-draft presser.
Sure, they didn't get the more talented, big southern white guy. But they kept their hardworking, smart, team first southern white guy. Therefore, still a lot of boxes checked... ;)
& I don't think the Pats ever really entertained an offer to move off of 3. That's just my take. It sucks, but it is what it is. What can Joe do if the team doesn't want to trade back? Absolutely nothing.
I am excited.
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had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
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had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
The Patriots would never have considered accepting it without pick 47 and the 2025 1st.
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had been saying for 2 months that the Giants wanted the #3 pick. Once the negotiations progressed, it was obvious that the Giants wanted Maye. They were ready to give up a #1 in 2025 and a #3 in 2025 to get him. I was told after the fact that they sweetened the deal, but the Pats were told by Kraft to take the QB.
If that was a smokescreen, they kept it up for months.
2025 1st and 3rd isn't really a serious offer, that's a low ball offer.
Nonsense, it was 3 spots not 9.
Whether they offered 47 and 2025 1st or not, I'm glad they didn't make the trade for Maye as I think it would have been a mistake that set us back severely. I just think 2025 1st and 3rd is a lowball offer personally and I don't think they wanted to make serious offers if that's all they offered.
Also why do we need the kid gloves for Daniel's feelings?
"The goal of the draft is to build the Giants into a SB winning team. Every player at every position has to earn his spot on the roster and in the lineup. Everyone in this building is a competitor. We compete at every position."
Just like I don't believe Florio's report that MIN was trying to trade up for Nabers,
Floating rumors to the press to appease your QB because you failed to replace him, then gave him a lucrative contract, and then failed to replace him again.
The Coach saying he expects his defensive coordinator back after having a screaming match with him before he ran away from home like a 10 year old before mutually agreeing to part ways.
Maybe there is some evidence that this organization is a bit dysfunctional?
Floating rumors to the press to appease your QB because you failed to replace him, then gave him a lucrative contract, and then failed to replace him again.
The Coach saying he expects his defensive coordinator back after having a screaming match with him before he ran away from home like a 10 year old before mutually agreeing to part ways.
Don’t forget floating your OC is going to leave and then for “Optics” because you lost so many other coaches, you deny him to leave and “promote” him with a fancy new title and pay increase but will strip him of play calling duties, presumably when enough time has passed that it doesn’t look bad.
Maybe there is some evidence that this organization is a bit dysfunctional?
Get a fuckin life man.
I love you dearly, but nobody puts that much effort into scouting QBs, putting them on the 30 list, scouting several games each to just use it as a smoke screen.
It may very well be in the end, they decided there were far too many flaws in all but Williams and Daniels to justify drafting, but they weren't pretend scouting and interviewing for their health.
I do think they are a step ahead of ALL members of the media and those guys easily believe everything that is fed to them. Some of the longtime connections they have to NYG no longer have the insider-info they used to.