The first year after an ACL tear nearly all players see a drop in production from their career averages prior to the tear. If they do get back to pre tear levels it’s usually in year 2.
Teams started taking away Jones’ easy time in the second half of 2022 and the passing game has been a disaster since. If he’s going to be less effective, or worse - hesitant of a runner defenses are going to force him to make decisions in the passing game like they did in the second half of 2022 and in 2023. He’s proven he can’t do that. Production after ACL recovery - ( New Window )
ACLs are routine surgeries nowadays. DJ will be fine.
Being routine surgeries doesn’t mean it doesn’t take two years to return to form. The data is right there, I suggest reading it
RE: RE: I certainly hope this squashes the narrative
That Jones is the guy because they signed him to a big contract. There's a huge need to find our franchise QB, but let's not pretend they aren't looking.
The flip side is they actually spent less on this year's backup, and brought in a player with demonstrably less experience and success in the league.
Tyrod Taylor is markedly better and more accomplished quarterback than Drew Lock.
christian we often disagree but your PoV is always valuable and worth consideration. I appreciate your insights.
RE: RE: RE: Acting like an ACL is just a sprained ankle is pretty wild
The first year after an ACL tear nearly all players see a drop in production from their career averages prior to the tear. If they do get back to pre tear levels it’s usually in year 2.
Teams started taking away Jones’ easy time in the second half of 2022 and the passing game has been a disaster since. If he’s going to be less effective, or worse - hesitant of a runner defenses are going to force him to make decisions in the passing game like they did in the second half of 2022 and in 2023. He’s proven he can’t do that. Production after ACL recovery - ( New Window )
ACLs are routine surgeries nowadays. DJ will be fine.
Being routine surgeries doesn’t mean it doesn’t take two years to return to form. The data is right there, I suggest reading it
Not arguing whether it takes 2 years to return completely to form. I would agree with that. That’s been stated by a number of players and the data I’m sure demonstrates that.
What I’m saying is the ACL in August/Sept won’t hinder DJ from getting on the field and won’t hinder him from beating out Lock.
Two separate conversations.
DJ himself has stated he expects to be ready for training camp.
He’s not saying that in a vacuum… he’s rehabbing at the facility with Giants trainers and medical staff. That timeline I’m sure has been discussed and is in line with when he had surgery.
It absolutely will hinder his ability to beat out Lock. He’s not that much of a better passer to say it won’t. We’ve seen how bad he is as a passer when teams take away a healthy Jones’ running.
We can look back at what I wrote when Jones was injured. The entire staff was going to be part of his rehab. He would be in the building constantly working. I have no proof but I believe what I felt was going to happen, happened. He won them over, they believe he will return.
Jones worked really hard and is absolutely on schedule, not only to start the season but participate in camp. Im sure they will ease him into it. The draft tells us that Jones appears completely ready to play and the Giants are confident in his recovery. I think owners, coaches, GM and players love Daniel Jones and it is for who he is as much as how he plays. He gets a chance to comeback because of it. QBs need to be leaders of men. Some us may hate that, it doesn’t change what is going happen.
That Jones is the guy because they signed him to a big contract. There's a huge need to find our franchise QB, but let's not pretend they aren't looking.
Looking for a QB? Where?
The time for that is over. Free Agency has passed. Cousins & Wilson signed elsewhere. Justin Fields was traded elsewhere
The draft has passed. We didnt take any of the QBs
Daniel Jones is the starter of this team. Drew Lock is his backup. Tommy DeVito is the 3rd string
This is a done deal for the 2024-25 season
Gets a chance because he’s a hard worker and a nice guy
It’s a laughable at this point. The sad part is there’s people in the front office who have the same line of thinking.
Things get earned in professional sports. You know who else was a hard worker and a nice guy? Evan Engram. Nobody on this board gave him the same grace.
RE: Gets a chance because he’s a hard worker and a nice guy
It’s a laughable at this point. The sad part is there’s people in the front office who have the same line of thinking.
Things get earned in professional sports. You know who else was a hard worker and a nice guy? Evan Engram. Nobody on this board gave him the same grace.
You got a poster saying above people love Jones for who he is as much as how he plays.
We can look back at what I wrote when Jones was injured. The entire staff was going to be part of his rehab. He would be in the building constantly working. I have no proof but I believe what I felt was going to happen, happened. He won them over, they believe he will return.
Jones worked really hard and is absolutely on schedule, not only to start the season but participate in camp. Im sure they will ease him into it. The draft tells us that Jones appears completely ready to play and the Giants are confident in his recovery. I think owners, coaches, GM and players love Daniel Jones and it is for who he is as much as how he plays. He gets a chance to comeback because of it. QBs need to be leaders of men. Some us may hate that, it doesn’t change what is going happen.
I think they are completely confident in his recovery. Shoen has addressed his recovery and says they have been no setbacks and DJ himself has stated he expects to ready for training camp. And they only brought in Lock.
More dependable, able to get the ball out more quickly and downfield.
Lock will look downfield, but the one thing he doesn’t do is get the ball out quickly. Hopefully Dabes can coach that into him.
Waldron worked on that with him in Seattle last year and the results tended to be positive. But much like Jones, reading complex defenses isn’t always a strength and relies on a lot of orchestrated route concepts and receivers to do the work.
Also the Denver situation was bad, Lock looked like Jones back under Shurmur trying to play street/hero ball, when Broncos canned the OC and QB coach, the bottom fell out for him the next year.
If people are going to keep giving Jones 9 thousand excuses and chances, Lock deserves at least a couple himself.
start pointing fingers at the QB play....then maybe Mara and Schoen will take the QB position seriously.
What I can't believe is that Tisch was in that damn war room all draft and he simply went along with the plan of Lock, DJ and Davito???????
I hope for the best and expect a circus. DJ will be injured triggering the $25 Mil, Lock and Davito will be brutal and it will be another year like last year. I fully expect it.
The whole sideshow was kind of embarrassing, but if he can put that to the side, he should be right in the mix.
QBs can improve a lot with game experience and practice reps. Daniel and Lock have had a lot and are still bad. Cutlets did improve quite a bit over the course of the few weeks he played.
He's fine physically - decent enough arm/accuracy and pretty mobile. His mentality seems good - much better than Daniel. With more reps, he has a chance to speed up his processing, which we saw evidence of last year.
Not saying he's great or even good. But considering the competition he should be in the mix
he starts the season as the starter unless he is way off in camp. Replace him if needed during the season. BD wanted Nabors. Bills took off when the Bills got Diggs. Before that they were poor.
OBJ helped but it was a soft running team and the D was terrible. Reese's great destruction of the LoS was playing out on the field and he pushed for the O change. Then when the next scapegoat (TC) was let go the O fell apart.
RE: RE: They also tried to bring in Russell Wilson
start pointing fingers at the QB play....then maybe Mara and Schoen will take the QB position seriously.
What I can't believe is that Tisch was in that damn war room all draft and he simply went along with the plan of Lock, DJ and Davito???????
I hope for the best and expect a circus. DJ will be injured triggering the $25 Mil, Lock and Davito will be brutal and it will be another year like last year. I fully expect it.
Guess you missed the aggressive offer we made for Maye…SMH
The plan was Drake Maye. NE prevented that so they went with Nabers, which was the plan B.
I don't know what to say to the people who wanted a QB no matter what. The team obviously didn't believe second tier of QBs were worth the selection at that point in the draft/worth passing up what they saw as a blue chip talent. They may be wrong, but they did put in the time studying these guys and that was the decision they made.
RE: RE: RE: They also tried to bring in Russell Wilson
The plan was Drake Maye. NE prevented that so they went with Nabers, which was the plan B.
I don't know what to say to the people who wanted a QB no matter what. The team obviously didn't believe second tier of QBs were worth the selection at that point in the draft/worth passing up what they saw as a blue chip talent. They may be wrong, but they did put in the time studying these guys and that was the decision they made.
Good riddance, Maye's numbers came against poor defensed. He had 8 tds and 11 ints in 9 games against mediocre to good defenses over the past 2 years. Look at his game logs. He racked up atats against bad defenses and struggled against any legit ones. He crumbles mentally under pressure. We dodged a bullet by getting Nabers instead of Maye.
Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
they wanted maye because they liked maye (which appears to have been consensus).
by most accounts maye is the least ready to play day 1 anyway (including behind penix, jjm, nix).
you sign drew lock for 5m (and cost yourself a 4th/5th rd comp pick) to protect yourself if jones isn't healthy and devito doesn't progress.
offering to trade 2 firsts + more for maye is about maye. not jones. passing on jjm is about jjm, not jones.
Glad trade wasn’t made for a number of reasons. It would have stripped the team of valuable picks to build this team up on both sides of the ball. Based on the proposed trade, we would have had no 2nd rd pick. So WR1 or no McKinney replacement and no 1sr rd pick next year.
And I stated this from the beginning… the cost to trade up AND within a year make a complete about face after giving DJ an extension was NOT likely.
guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
You don’t know where the Giants stand in his recovery. He hasn’t had a real practice yet. The Giants won’t have any idea what he looks like until training camp
guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
Not trying to prove anything. Simply saying what ur viewing is not unusual. Again, you also know recovery isn’t linear. Next month as YOU KNOW things can and most likely will change. Where you were and I was at 4 months is not really the way to look at it. Everyone recovers differently and at their own pace. This isn’t one bit alarming. I’ve had several surgeries and this is par for the course. That’s all I’m saying.
Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
You don’t know where the Giants stand in his recovery. He hasn’t had a real practice yet. The Giants won’t have any idea what he looks like until training camp
Ok we’ll see come August.
In the meantime, I’ll take what the GM and DJ has stated since they
Jones is the presumed starter unless Lock shows that he's clearly better than him. If he is, Lock will start.
Not sure why this is becoming a bigger thing than it should be.
The wildcard here is Jones' health. Will he be healthy enough to play in camp? The Giants having an 'open' competition to me has more to do with their concerns about Jones' durability/health than with their views on his talent.
More dependable, able to get the ball out more quickly and downfield.
Here we go again. Didn't Locke say, the Giants made it plain to him that he would back up DJ. Stop listening to these beats. Of course, if DJs injury doesn't come around, different story.
But hurt Jones haters looking for anything to tear him down… what a bunch of crybabies….I thought the draft went as well as it could with the few picks we had after trades… looking forward to the season .
Amazing how some here refuse to listen to management and hang on every word of these beats, who often are wrong.
guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
Behind? The last I heard from management was, he's ahead of schedule and they believe he'll be ready for camp. Of course that could change at a moments notice, but right now they're confident.
RE: forcing a pick based on how jones is/isnt recovering would be moronic
they wanted maye because they liked maye (which appears to have been consensus).
by most accounts maye is the least ready to play day 1 anyway (including behind penix, jjm, nix).
you sign drew lock for 5m (and cost yourself a 4th/5th rd comp pick) to protect yourself if jones isn't healthy and devito doesn't progress.
offering to trade 2 firsts + more for maye is about maye. not jones. passing on jjm is about jjm, not jones.
You are kidding right. If the Giants knew Jones was behind schedule(like still can't run) they shouldn't have handled the draft differently.
"It would have been moronic to draft a QB at 6 or trade up if the Giants knew Jones would not be ready for the season."
Are you sure you believe that?
The consensus reporting "fact" doesn't register with me at all.
They knew NE needed to be overwhelmed.
They did not do that.
Are you really sure they tried to trade or for Maye or were they only trying to get Minnesota trade up ahead of them. Another QB taken(so they get the WR they want)
Not saying that is what happened but it is as reasonable as any other assumption.
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The first year after an ACL tear nearly all players see a drop in production from their career averages prior to the tear. If they do get back to pre tear levels it’s usually in year 2.
Teams started taking away Jones’ easy time in the second half of 2022 and the passing game has been a disaster since. If he’s going to be less effective, or worse - hesitant of a runner defenses are going to force him to make decisions in the passing game like they did in the second half of 2022 and in 2023. He’s proven he can’t do that. Production after ACL recovery - ( New Window )
ACLs are routine surgeries nowadays. DJ will be fine.
Being routine surgeries doesn’t mean it doesn’t take two years to return to form. The data is right there, I suggest reading it
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That Jones is the guy because they signed him to a big contract. There's a huge need to find our franchise QB, but let's not pretend they aren't looking.
The flip side is they actually spent less on this year's backup, and brought in a player with demonstrably less experience and success in the league.
Tyrod Taylor is markedly better and more accomplished quarterback than Drew Lock.
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The first year after an ACL tear nearly all players see a drop in production from their career averages prior to the tear. If they do get back to pre tear levels it’s usually in year 2.
Teams started taking away Jones’ easy time in the second half of 2022 and the passing game has been a disaster since. If he’s going to be less effective, or worse - hesitant of a runner defenses are going to force him to make decisions in the passing game like they did in the second half of 2022 and in 2023. He’s proven he can’t do that. Production after ACL recovery - ( New Window )
ACLs are routine surgeries nowadays. DJ will be fine.
Being routine surgeries doesn’t mean it doesn’t take two years to return to form. The data is right there, I suggest reading it
Not arguing whether it takes 2 years to return completely to form. I would agree with that. That’s been stated by a number of players and the data I’m sure demonstrates that.
What I’m saying is the ACL in August/Sept won’t hinder DJ from getting on the field and won’t hinder him from beating out Lock.
Two separate conversations.
Jones worked really hard and is absolutely on schedule, not only to start the season but participate in camp. Im sure they will ease him into it. The draft tells us that Jones appears completely ready to play and the Giants are confident in his recovery. I think owners, coaches, GM and players love Daniel Jones and it is for who he is as much as how he plays. He gets a chance to comeback because of it. QBs need to be leaders of men. Some us may hate that, it doesn’t change what is going happen.
Looking for a QB? Where?
The time for that is over. Free Agency has passed. Cousins & Wilson signed elsewhere. Justin Fields was traded elsewhere
The draft has passed. We didnt take any of the QBs
Daniel Jones is the starter of this team. Drew Lock is his backup. Tommy DeVito is the 3rd string
This is a done deal for the 2024-25 season
Things get earned in professional sports. You know who else was a hard worker and a nice guy? Evan Engram. Nobody on this board gave him the same grace.
Things get earned in professional sports. You know who else was a hard worker and a nice guy? Evan Engram. Nobody on this board gave him the same grace.
You got a poster saying above people love Jones for who he is as much as how he plays.
I, uh, OMG…
But we're talking about alarmingly low bars here.
This is crazy pills level. Anyone who has seen Lock play knows you're just holding your breath waiting for him to do something ridiculous.
Lock will look downfield, but the one thing he doesn’t do is get the ball out quickly. Hopefully Dabes can coach that into him.
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We can look back at what I wrote when Jones was injured. The entire staff was going to be part of his rehab. He would be in the building constantly working. I have no proof but I believe what I felt was going to happen, happened. He won them over, they believe he will return.
Jones worked really hard and is absolutely on schedule, not only to start the season but participate in camp. Im sure they will ease him into it. The draft tells us that Jones appears completely ready to play and the Giants are confident in his recovery. I think owners, coaches, GM and players love Daniel Jones and it is for who he is as much as how he plays. He gets a chance to comeback because of it. QBs need to be leaders of men. Some us may hate that, it doesn’t change what is going happen.
I think they are completely confident in his recovery. Shoen has addressed his recovery and says they have been no setbacks and DJ himself has stated he expects to ready for training camp. And they only brought in Lock.
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More dependable, able to get the ball out more quickly and downfield.
Lock will look downfield, but the one thing he doesn’t do is get the ball out quickly. Hopefully Dabes can coach that into him.
Waldron worked on that with him in Seattle last year and the results tended to be positive. But much like Jones, reading complex defenses isn’t always a strength and relies on a lot of orchestrated route concepts and receivers to do the work.
Also the Denver situation was bad, Lock looked like Jones back under Shurmur trying to play street/hero ball, when Broncos canned the OC and QB coach, the bottom fell out for him the next year.
If people are going to keep giving Jones 9 thousand excuses and chances, Lock deserves at least a couple himself.
Full confidence in his recovery… don’t misrepresent what I’m clearly saying.
What I can't believe is that Tisch was in that damn war room all draft and he simply went along with the plan of Lock, DJ and Davito???????
I hope for the best and expect a circus. DJ will be injured triggering the $25 Mil, Lock and Davito will be brutal and it will be another year like last year. I fully expect it.
QBs can improve a lot with game experience and practice reps. Daniel and Lock have had a lot and are still bad. Cutlets did improve quite a bit over the course of the few weeks he played.
He's fine physically - decent enough arm/accuracy and pretty mobile. His mentality seems good - much better than Daniel. With more reps, he has a chance to speed up his processing, which we saw evidence of last year.
Not saying he's great or even good. But considering the competition he should be in the mix
OBJ helped but it was a soft running team and the D was terrible. Reese's great destruction of the LoS was playing out on the field and he pushed for the O change. Then when the next scapegoat (TC) was let go the O fell apart.
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And trade up for a QB. But sure, full confidence in Jones.
Full confidence in his recovery… don’t misrepresent what I’m clearly saying.
Not taking a QB means they had full confidence in his recovery yet tried to trade up last week for one?
What I can't believe is that Tisch was in that damn war room all draft and he simply went along with the plan of Lock, DJ and Davito???????
I hope for the best and expect a circus. DJ will be injured triggering the $25 Mil, Lock and Davito will be brutal and it will be another year like last year. I fully expect it.
Guess you missed the aggressive offer we made for Maye…SMH
I don't know what to say to the people who wanted a QB no matter what. The team obviously didn't believe second tier of QBs were worth the selection at that point in the draft/worth passing up what they saw as a blue chip talent. They may be wrong, but they did put in the time studying these guys and that was the decision they made.
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And trade up for a QB. But sure, full confidence in Jones.
Full confidence in his recovery… don’t misrepresent what I’m clearly saying.
Not taking a QB means they had full confidence in his recovery yet tried to trade up last week for one?
Again, you’re conflating two different things… their interest in Maye has NOTHING to do with their confidence in his recovery from an ACL injury.
We would have been picking 4th with Patriots 5th and Cardinals 3rd I believe, but that's only if they won. If we tied, it wouldn't have changed much.
by most accounts maye is the least ready to play day 1 anyway (including behind penix, jjm, nix).
you sign drew lock for 5m (and cost yourself a 4th/5th rd comp pick) to protect yourself if jones isn't healthy and devito doesn't progress.
offering to trade 2 firsts + more for maye is about maye. not jones. passing on jjm is about jjm, not jones.
I don't know what to say to the people who wanted a QB no matter what. The team obviously didn't believe second tier of QBs were worth the selection at that point in the draft/worth passing up what they saw as a blue chip talent. They may be wrong, but they did put in the time studying these guys and that was the decision they made.
Good riddance, Maye's numbers came against poor defensed. He had 8 tds and 11 ints in 9 games against mediocre to good defenses over the past 2 years. Look at his game logs. He racked up atats against bad defenses and struggled against any legit ones. He crumbles mentally under pressure. We dodged a bullet by getting Nabers instead of Maye.
Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
by most accounts maye is the least ready to play day 1 anyway (including behind penix, jjm, nix).
you sign drew lock for 5m (and cost yourself a 4th/5th rd comp pick) to protect yourself if jones isn't healthy and devito doesn't progress.
offering to trade 2 firsts + more for maye is about maye. not jones. passing on jjm is about jjm, not jones.
Glad trade wasn’t made for a number of reasons. It would have stripped the team of valuable picks to build this team up on both sides of the ball. Based on the proposed trade, we would have had no 2nd rd pick. So WR1 or no McKinney replacement and no 1sr rd pick next year.
And I stated this from the beginning… the cost to trade up AND within a year make a complete about face after giving DJ an extension was NOT likely.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
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Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
You don’t know where the Giants stand in his recovery. He hasn’t had a real practice yet. The Giants won’t have any idea what he looks like until training camp
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guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
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guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
Not trying to prove anything. Simply saying what ur viewing is not unusual. Again, you also know recovery isn’t linear. Next month as YOU KNOW things can and most likely will change. Where you were and I was at 4 months is not really the way to look at it. Everyone recovers differently and at their own pace. This isn’t one bit alarming. I’ve had several surgeries and this is par for the course. That’s all I’m saying.
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Don’t know what to be true? That an ACL recovery has nothing to do with inquiring about the #3 pick. I would disagree. I think a reasonable mind can see them as 2 relatively independent events. I can also take what the GM and DJ has stated PUBLICLY about his recovery. And they have the full details because he’s there rehabbing with at their facility. Moreover, he texted DJ after selecting Nabers to inform him of the pick before the selection was made and gave him Nabers phone number.
You don’t know where the Giants stand in his recovery. He hasn’t had a real practice yet. The Giants won’t have any idea what he looks like until training camp
Ok we’ll see come August.
Not sure why this is becoming a bigger thing than it should be.
Not sure why this is becoming a bigger thing than it should be.
The wildcard here is Jones' health. Will he be healthy enough to play in camp? The Giants having an 'open' competition to me has more to do with their concerns about Jones' durability/health than with their views on his talent.
Here we go again. Didn't Locke say, the Giants made it plain to him that he would back up DJ. Stop listening to these beats. Of course, if DJs injury doesn't come around, different story.
That assumes QB for NYG is a meritocracy, which is a big leap for me to take
Amazing how some here refuse to listen to management and hang on every word of these beats, who often are wrong.
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guys repeating that Jones will be fine are the same ones who told us "Barkley is done b/c of the ACL". Fact of the matter, none of us know where Jones is in his rehab. Also, he will not be the same player post injury till year 2 and that's a common statement about players and ACL injuries.
Also, I saw Jones a couple weeks ago and there are physical signs he is behind schedule in his rehab. Doesn't mean that will be the same come training camp.
Still has a few months left… I’ve dealt with an ACL. It’s not a linear recovery. I’m sure he’s on target. Just completed a little over 5 months.
Ive had mine repaired as well, he is currently behind and not doing the things someone can do at 4 months. I said, he looks to be behind in the present and that can change come training camp...I know you want to prove your point but good lord.
Behind? The last I heard from management was, he's ahead of schedule and they believe he'll be ready for camp. Of course that could change at a moments notice, but right now they're confident.
by most accounts maye is the least ready to play day 1 anyway (including behind penix, jjm, nix).
you sign drew lock for 5m (and cost yourself a 4th/5th rd comp pick) to protect yourself if jones isn't healthy and devito doesn't progress.
offering to trade 2 firsts + more for maye is about maye. not jones. passing on jjm is about jjm, not jones.
"It would have been moronic to draft a QB at 6 or trade up if the Giants knew Jones would not be ready for the season."
Are you sure you believe that?
The consensus reporting "fact" doesn't register with me at all.
They knew NE needed to be overwhelmed.
They did not do that.
Are you really sure they tried to trade or for Maye or were they only trying to get Minnesota trade up ahead of them. Another QB taken(so they get the WR they want)
Not saying that is what happened but it is as reasonable as any other assumption.