Q. Would you trade next year’s 1st for J. Hurts?

Not a perfect player but he’s a top 10 QB who has been to a Super Bowl and actually outplayed Mahomes in it.

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I'm not sold that he isn't a product of his supporting cast.

His contract is a disaster as it is.....

Stop it!

Very overrated. This has to be a joke right?

No.

i think he's a product of the system. not on the same level as Burrows, for example.

Good enough to win lots yeah. But IMO right now there's maybe two QBs I'm ok w paying stupid QB money for. Mahommes and Allen. If the Eagles thought he was really the "guy" they don't panic and sign Barkley. To take the pressure off him. Barkley is always dinged. And they paid him top RB cash w those WRs.

To this day I can't believe Achoen blinked and gave Jines more than 30 million a a year. The QB insanity needs to stop. Owners and GMs must love to piss away money. A lot needs to go right w teams to win and the willingness to pay 50 to 60 million AAV for a guy who needs everything right around him is the issue. For the whole NFL. Not the just the Giants.

Way too early and I suck posting as it is. Sorry

Than yes

The Eagles would be on the hook for the void years (and who knows how much of the optional bonuses). He’s got some skills, seems like a great person, and would be the cheapest qb in the league for years with incredible trade value at any time.

have void years out to 2035 for Hurts and into the 2030s for several players.
If that isn't abuse of a system then I do not know what is. Roseman gaming the system brilliantly. I'll bet they are betting at some point this gets forgiven with a rules change and a more stringent system will be put in place.

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injuries.

Given his contract and the beating he's taken over the years, I would not.

Between the offensive line and skill players, Jalen Hurts has the best supporting cast in the NFL. Playing for the Eagles is the easiest QB job in the NFL.

If he comes here he takes massive steps back.

lol

Don't see an elite QB in him.

2023 tape wasn't very good either.

Burrow, Allen and Mahomes are the top 3 and then there's a gap. A large gap if we are including Hurts in there.

Almost always wrong to trade premium picks for guys on a max contract at their position. Now if the deal were structured so that we are paying him substantially less than max (i.e. CMC deal) then yes. In other words, he is not good enough to carry a roster if he makes $55MM (only Mahomes, Burrow, Allen are in that category right now). But if he makes $40MM, sure.

Also you have to believe that if he is on our roster, we don't finish bottom 2 or 3 in the league.

He's not the answer.

Of course he is worth a 1st round pick. Great football player.

Are there any backup or developmental QBs on any team that you would trade a first round pick for?

That’s how the Packers acquired Favre. I’m not aware of any backups worth that price but I wasn’t aware of Favre when Green Bay traded for him, either.

I think Dorian Thompson-Robinson is promising but not worth a first.

the way he plays and he’s not a good enough passer to greatly alter his playing style. Why don’t we just use next years first to draft a QB?

people need to be smarter than they seem here. First off Hurts has more than likely played his best year already. Before and since is more like what you can expect. He is a good player but way overrated here.

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In comment 16500409 Darwinian said:

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Of course he is worth a 1st round pick. Great football player.

Laughing at the opinions of others is a bad look, don't ya think? After all, don't we all have multiple opinions that someone else could see as foolish?

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In comment 16500409 Darwinian said: Quote: Of course he is worth a 1st round pick. Great football player. Laughing at the opinions of others is a bad look, don't ya think? After all, don't we all have multiple opinions that someone else could see as foolish?

He probably doesn't even remember what account he's on.

Not that it was all his fault, but he and the offense played so poorly down the stretch, it makes me wonder if DC's have figured him out. He's benefited from one of the best OL's in football, and a WR corps close to that. I'm not sure he's a top 10 QB.

Not really impressed with the guy. Especially with the contract.

would folks trade a #1 for? Besides Mahomes and Allen?

In comment 16500494 Andrew in Austin said:

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would folks trade a #1 for? Besides Mahomes and Allen?

Burrow
Stroud
Herbert
Jackson

That’s probably it. The rest QBs who can be good or have peaked already, and we are better off spending a 1st on a rookie contract.

Hurts (and the whole Eagles team) looked terrible down the stretch last year. One of the worst teams in the league.

goes and if I can make a decision after the season.

If the Giants win 7 - 9 games and it's clear the D can compete and the O has some skill guys and individual talent but QB is holding the team back, then absolutely. Especially since mediocrity is improvements biggest enemy in the NFL. When you are mediocre you pick middle of the first and out of range to get the best QB's/impact players.

if...big if, like the OP said the cap situation goes away. I'm not trading a 1st for one year of Hurts and I'm not paying him $97M on the cap in two seasons either.

than a top QB. Put him on a middling or poor team and I bet he looks a lot like DJ

One first round pick is a no brainer, given there's a good chance it would have to be used on a lesser QB prospect than Hurts.

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We have a broke down Daniel Jones at QB and the resounding answer to this question is NO.

We deserve everything we are getting.

In comment 16500505 UConn4523 said:

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Burrow Stroud Herbert Jackson

Maye Stroud. The other 3, yes.

In comment 16500553 logman said:

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Maye Stroud. The other 3, yes.

Maybe

Of the poop...

In comment 16500409 Darwinian said:

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Of course he is worth a 1st round pick. Great football player.

Just like when you said the Russell Wilson trade was a steal for the Broncos and Kenny Pickett would be a franchise QB for the Steelers… lol

grab any other QB that comes along? Isn't that how we got here? How doe it help if we grab another lousy QB?

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In comment 16500505 UConn4523 said: Quote: Burrow Stroud Herbert Jackson Maye Stroud. The other 3, yes.

Maybe? He’s cost controlled for 4 more years and was in the running for MVP already. I’d trade multiple firsts for him. Houston would never do it, however.

No thank you

shouldn't that also apply to Daniel Jones? If the Giants improve their OL to that of Philly and get better WRs, then Daniel Jones should be just as good as Hurts by that same logic. The Giants know he's not top 5 QB and never will be, but they still believe he's good enough to make them playoff bound. They gave him a new contract they can get out of in 2 yrs. Then they can decide what to do for the future. The contract they gave Jones is exactly how they feel about Jones. They like him, but they don't love him. He's not a franchise QB. He's an average QB. If they can find a franchise QB, they will replace him if the cost is not too exorbitant.

In comment 16500553 logman said:

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In comment 16500505 UConn4523 said: Quote: Burrow Stroud Herbert Jackson Maye Stroud. The other 3, yes.

Stroud is actually the most attractive target in that group given his contract for the next four years. I’d give up more for him than I would the others who are getting paid.

OL in the league and great receivers that’s why. He is not that good.

In comment 16501274 Carl in CT said:

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OL in the league and great receivers that’s why. He is not that good.

Well that’s kind of why I started this post (and some folks cheated by adding in contractual stuff— my aim was to see what people thought of him straight up on an average starting QB’s contract and also not versed DJ)

The point is Philly fans think they have an elite/franchise QB, and our fan base who are in QB hell wouldn’t give them a crummy #1 (possibly THE #1) for him. Fact is, I’d be laughed off their talk radio for suggesting such low compensation.

I suppose KNOWING that your team is up poops creek is better than believing a delusion. Yeah, they will win games this year, but it will imo be in spite of their QB.

I also suppose that is a pitiful comfort.

Thanks to all who took time to answer what many would think was a stupid question.

DJ takes us deep into the playoffs this year!

In comment 16500728 Rod in St Cloud said:

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shouldn't that also apply to Daniel Jones? If the Giants improve their OL to that of Philly and get better WRs, then Daniel Jones should be just as good as Hurts by that same logic. The Giants know he's not top 5 QB and never will be, but they still believe he's good enough to make them playoff bound. They gave him a new contract they can get out of in 2 yrs. Then they can decide what to do for the future. The contract they gave Jones is exactly how they feel about Jones. They like him, but they don't love him. He's not a franchise QB. He's an average QB. If they can find a franchise QB, they will replace him if the cost is not too exorbitant.

So there were 6 listed and that means 26 teams need franchise QBs. GIANTS likely trade or cut Jones next year.

were (in games he started):

1-3 as a rookie
8-7 year 2
14-1 year 3 (2nd in MVP voting, 3rd in OPOY, 2nd team all-pro)
11-6 year 4

he was selected to two pro-bowls in 4 years, both coming the past two seasons

but those wins are "despite their QB" not because of him and they are a delusional fan base because they think he is a good QB?

do I have that right?

holy shit. Sometimes I feel like the Giants fans deserve a shitty football team run by stupid people. I am embarrassed and ashamed to be affiliated with some of you.

Even if he's not in the Mahomes class he's proven you can win with him - going to a SB and losing by 3 pts to the Mahomes-led Chiefs. If not for Mahomes, Hurts easily wins MVP in that SB with 15 rushes for 75 yards and 3 TD's and passing for 300 yards and another TD completing over 70% of his passes in the game.

before I would consider the idea seriously.

He took a significant step back in 2023. Maybe it was the loss of Steichen and/or he was hurt. But he was nowhere close to a league MVP candidate he was in 2022.

I was never sold on the guy and ate some crow for his breakout 2022 season. He was magnificent.

But you need to stack big seasons together to justify a big payoff, IMV.

We see that mistake on a bigger scale with Jones and rewarding him for a season that paled in comparison to Hurts.

on a QB draft prospect.

In comment 16501433 pjcas18 said:

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were (in games he started): 1-3 as a rookie 8-7 year 2 14-1 year 3 (2nd in MVP voting, 3rd in OPOY, 2nd team all-pro) 11-6 year 4 he was selected to two pro-bowls in 4 years, both coming the past two seasons but those wins are "despite their QB" not because of him and they are a delusional fan base because they think he is a good QB? do I have that right? holy shit. Sometimes I feel like the Giants fans deserve a shitty football team run by stupid people. I am embarrassed and ashamed to be affiliated with some of you. Even if he's not in the Mahomes class he's proven you can win with him - going to a SB and losing by 3 pts to the Mahomes-led Chiefs. If not for Mahomes, Hurts easily wins MVP in that SB with 15 rushes for 75 yards and 3 TD's and passing for 300 yards and another TD completing over 70% of his passes in the game. It was never my intention to make a football “political” statement on Hurts. I was simply asking this forum if, cap space I.e. “contractual poop” aside, would you give up next years #1 for J. Hurts? I’ll take your response as a yes with no ill will toward your opinion.

He's been a much better player than I thought he'd be, but he's hard to judge. He's been on a team with talent everywhere. Line, backs, receivers, and even the frickin tight end. The eagles reload like no other team. Id kill for them to experience the hell of the past decade like we have