Dan Jones has never had a Y/A of more then 6.8.. what's more this trend goes back to Duke. Just look at the numbers, he just does not push the ball vertically for whatever reason. Hes been settling for underneath stuff his whole career.
Duke-2016 --- 6.6 Y/A -- 2836yds 16TD 9int
Duke-2017 --- 5.9 Y/A --2691yds 14TD 11int
Duke-2018 --- 6.8 Y/A --2674yds 22TD 9int
Giants-2019 --6.6 Y/A --3027yds 24TD 12int
Giants-2020 --6.6 Y/A --2943yds 11TD 10int
Giants-2021 --6.7 Y/A --2428yds 10TD 7int
Giants-2022 --6.8 Y/A --3205yds 15TD 5int
Giants-2024 --5.7 Y/A --909 2TD 6int
He's always been the same guy. Even in 2022, his career year, he had 6.8, which was among the very bottom of the league..
What I find more infuriating his is lack of progress as a player, just look at his college stats you will notice he did not get better year for year like most people would do. Zero growth.
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote
Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
Another thread - the trend in the NFL is towards shorter passes through the air. The premium is on speed and YAC. I would expect his YPA to improve with Nabers, a healthy Wandale, Hyatt’s expected growth.
You don’t take a stat in isolation to assess a QB. If he breaks the ‘barrier’… so what? Will that really tell you something about his QB play unless you watch all the games and assess his overall play?
Anyway, if he plays…yeah, I think he’s over 7.0. Speed kills.
But what if he gets injured after throwing 1 pass for 12 yards? Pretty damn good YPA if you ask me.
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote
Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.
When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote
Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.
When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
So your point is that Jones’ high point was other qb’s low points?
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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote
Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.
When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
In 2022 6.8 was well below average. Don't take my word for it.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm
Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.
When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
Really? This is how you want to tack on this?
Burrow almost missed half the season last year. The prior two years he was 7.4 and 8.9.
Stafford's career YPA is 7.3. Brady's career YPA is 7.4. Herbert's career YPA is 7.1. Rodgers's career YPA is 7.7. LJax's is 7.5.
My point? It's beyond disingenuous to take highly accomplished QBs and use outlier years to try to boost Jones.
I’ll be happy with 6.0
Kingsbury was a disaster. I’m pretty intrigued to see Murray with a new HC and a new alpha WR who isn’t hurt/suspended. Those AZ teams may have had a worse roster than ours when Hopkins wasn’t playing.
You can find it under "Advanced Passing" on a QB's Pro Football Reference player page, and PFR also has a compiled page with all QBs with sufficient playing time in a given season.
Jones' IAY/PA by year:
2019: 8.0
2020: 7.6
2021: 7.2
2022: 6.4
2023: 6.8
Either stat, taken alone, provides only a rough approximation of how effective a QB is, because that will depend on the design of the offense.
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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote
Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.
When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
In 2022 6.8 was well below average. Don't take my word for it.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm
The point is a single stat tells nothing. I'm not defending Jones or ripping him. Was Brady bad that year?
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His Y/A post injury has not been good.
Kingsbury was a disaster. I’m pretty intrigued to see Murray with a new HC and a new alpha WR who isn’t hurt/suspended. Those AZ teams may have had a worse roster than ours when Hopkins wasn’t playing.
Kyler is underrated here. His last 3 games of the season were 810 total yards with 90 rushing, 6 tds and 1 int and about 7.5 ypa. That was against Seattle, Philly and Chicago. And with passing targets worse than ours and little to no run game.
just like heading into 2023 i think it's a reasonable hope that he plays like he did in that half season for a full season, but i think everyone is going to be surprised to find that some of these mythical statistical benchmarks they've been holding up are actually pretty similar to what he's always been and it wont change much.
Yes, he was. And that's supported by the fact the Buccaneers were only 25th in the NFL in scoring at 18.4 PPG. Brady threw 733 passes that were basically extended handoffs...his average depth of target plummeted to 6.7 from 8.1 the year before.
For scale, Daniel Jones's average depth of target in his banner 2022 year was 6.4 - third lowest in the league. The training wheels were on the offense.
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The point is a single stat tells nothing. I'm not defending Jones or ripping him. Was Brady bad that year?
Yes, he was. And that's supported by the fact the Buccaneers were only 25th in the NFL in scoring at 18.4 PPG. Brady threw 733 passes that were basically extended handoffs...his average depth of target plummeted to 6.7 from 8.1 the year before.
For scale, Daniel Jones's average depth of target in his banner 2022 year was 6.4 - third lowest in the league. The training wheels were on the offense.
Maybe seeing DJ perform poorly with a good supporting cast is what Mara needs.
Another thread - the trend in the NFL is towards shorter passes through the air. The premium is on speed and YAC. I would expect his YPA to improve with Nabers, a healthy Wandale, Hyatt’s expected growth.
You don’t take a stat in isolation to assess a QB. If he breaks the ‘barrier’… so what? Will that really tell you something about his QB play unless you watch all the games and assess his overall play?
Anyway, if he plays…yeah, I think he’s over 7.0. Speed kills.
I dunno, those same receivers were getting deep passes much more frequently with Taylor under center.
The constant excuses for Jones, who should never have been drafted in the first darn place, who's on year six and never once shown he's a franchise QB, yet excuses, excuses, excuses. It's unreal how the standard's gone from trying to win SB every year to "well, DJ's best is as good as everyone else's worst, and besides, so YAY!"
At this point, just give him a lifetime contract and cheer being 4th in a 4 horse race in the NFC East every year.