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Will 2024 be the year Dan Jones breaks the 7.0 YPA barrier??

Modog : 4/30/2024 1:10 pm
Dan Jones has never had a Y/A of more then 6.8.. what's more this trend goes back to Duke. Just look at the numbers, he just does not push the ball vertically for whatever reason. Hes been settling for underneath stuff his whole career.



Duke-2016 --- 6.6 Y/A -- 2836yds 16TD 9int
Duke-2017 --- 5.9 Y/A --2691yds 14TD 11int
Duke-2018 --- 6.8 Y/A --2674yds 22TD 9int
Giants-2019 --6.6 Y/A --3027yds 24TD 12int
Giants-2020 --6.6 Y/A --2943yds 11TD 10int
Giants-2021 --6.7 Y/A --2428yds 10TD 7int
Giants-2022 --6.8 Y/A --3205yds 15TD 5int
Giants-2024 --5.7 Y/A --909 2TD 6int


He's always been the same guy. Even in 2022, his career year, he had 6.8, which was among the very bottom of the league..

What I find more infuriating his is lack of progress as a player, just look at his college stats you will notice he did not get better year for year like most people would do. Zero growth.
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widmerseyebrow : 4/30/2024 1:12 pm : link
Will this be the year the offensive line  
barens : 4/30/2024 1:12 pm : link
allows him to do anything other than a 3 step drop?
so let me guess this straight  
jvm52106 : 4/30/2024 1:13 pm : link
in all of the other QB, Daniel Jones and QB Draft pick threads you couldn't find one spot where this brilliant breakdown could fit in??
Curious  
Toth029 : 4/30/2024 1:15 pm : link
How involved these coaches use the screen game. These WR's should be YAC kings.
It's about time someone  
Mike from Ohio : 4/30/2024 1:19 pm : link
brought up the play of Daniel Jones.
RE: It's about time someone  
Modog : 4/30/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote

Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/30/2024 1:24 pm : link
I don’t know man. I hope so, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. The most likely outcome is he either gets injured or gets benched because of subpar play.
Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson can all take a 5 yard pass to the house  
hyadoin : 4/30/2024 1:26 pm : link
so... If not now, then never.
Just as much an indictment  
gary_from_chester : 4/30/2024 1:46 pm : link
On the Giants lack of playmakers as it is on DJ.

Another thread - the trend in the NFL is towards shorter passes through the air. The premium is on speed and YAC. I would expect his YPA to improve with Nabers, a healthy Wandale, Hyatt’s expected growth.

You don’t take a stat in isolation to assess a QB. If he breaks the ‘barrier’… so what? Will that really tell you something about his QB play unless you watch all the games and assess his overall play?

Anyway, if he plays…yeah, I think he’s over 7.0. Speed kills.
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UConn4523 : 4/30/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16501046 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don’t know man. I hope so, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. The most likely outcome is he either gets injured or gets benched because of subpar play.


But what if he gets injured after throwing 1 pass for 12 yards? Pretty damn good YPA if you ask me.
RE: RE: It's about time someone  
k2tampa : 4/30/2024 1:54 pm : link
In comment 16501034 Modog said:
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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote

Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?


Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.

When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.
Another day, another DJ thread from La Douche…  
Spider56 : 4/30/2024 2:16 pm : link
Is he a 1 trick pony ? Or 1 trick Dick?
RE: RE: RE: It's about time someone  
Mattman : 4/30/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16501118 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16501034 Modog said:


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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote

Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?



Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.

When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.


So your point is that Jones’ high point was other qb’s low points?
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Modog : 4/30/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16501118 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16501034 Modog said:


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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote

Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?



Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.

When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.




In 2022 6.8 was well below average. Don't take my word for it.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm
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bw in dc : 4/30/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16501118 k2tampa said:
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Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.

When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.


Really? This is how you want to tack on this?

Burrow almost missed half the season last year. The prior two years he was 7.4 and 8.9.

Stafford's career YPA is 7.3. Brady's career YPA is 7.4. Herbert's career YPA is 7.1. Rodgers's career YPA is 7.7. LJax's is 7.5.

My point? It's beyond disingenuous to take highly accomplished QBs and use outlier years to try to boost Jones.
The guy who I think is overrated is Kyler Murray  
Sean : 4/30/2024 3:08 pm : link
His Y/A post injury has not been good.
7.0  
GiantTuff1 : 4/30/2024 3:18 pm : link
Our standards are so high.
RE: 7.0  
TommyWiseau : 4/30/2024 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16501256 GiantTuff1 said:
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Our standards are so high.


I’ll be happy with 6.0
RE: The guy who I think is overrated is Kyler Murray  
UConn4523 : 4/30/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16501240 Sean said:
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His Y/A post injury has not been good.


Kingsbury was a disaster. I’m pretty intrigued to see Murray with a new HC and a new alpha WR who isn’t hurt/suspended. Those AZ teams may have had a worse roster than ours when Hopkins wasn’t playing.
If he does break 7.0 YPA  
Modog : 4/30/2024 4:54 pm : link
It will be the first time in 9 years of playing QB. I have hard time believing it happens. At this point, this is who he is.
For a stat that captures how far a QB is throwing downfield  
shyster : 4/30/2024 6:45 pm : link
"Intended Air Yards/Pass Attempt" is a better stat.

You can find it under "Advanced Passing" on a QB's Pro Football Reference player page, and PFR also has a compiled page with all QBs with sufficient playing time in a given season.

Jones' IAY/PA by year:

2019: 8.0
2020: 7.6
2021: 7.2
2022: 6.4
2023: 6.8

Either stat, taken alone, provides only a rough approximation of how effective a QB is, because that will depend on the design of the offense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's about time someone  
k2tampa : 4/30/2024 7:07 pm : link
In comment 16501221 Modog said:
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In comment 16501118 k2tampa said:


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In comment 16501034 Modog said:


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In comment 16501030 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] brought up the play of Daniel Jones. [/quote

Why not? He is the QB afterall, just the most important position in all of sports?



Burrows YPA was 6.3 last year.

When Jones' 6.8 was "among the very bottom of the league" Brady was at 6.4, Rodgers and Herbert were both 6.8, and Stafford and Jackson were both 6.9.





In 2022 6.8 was well below average. Don't take my word for it.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm


The point is a single stat tells nothing. I'm not defending Jones or ripping him. Was Brady bad that year?
If he doesnt,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/30/2024 7:08 pm : link
Then we are going to have another top 10 to top 5 draft pick and we will likely get a QB.
RE: RE: The guy who I think is overrated is Kyler Murray  
BleedBlue46 : 4/30/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16501342 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 16501240 Sean said:


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His Y/A post injury has not been good.



Kingsbury was a disaster. I’m pretty intrigued to see Murray with a new HC and a new alpha WR who isn’t hurt/suspended. Those AZ teams may have had a worse roster than ours when Hopkins wasn’t playing.


Kyler is underrated here. His last 3 games of the season were 810 total yards with 90 rushing, 6 tds and 1 int and about 7.5 ypa. That was against Seattle, Philly and Chicago. And with passing targets worse than ours and little to no run game.
he did it while averaging 225 ypg in the second half of 2022  
Eric on Li : 4/30/2024 7:34 pm : link
in the moment did anyone see that as some meaningful barrier he crossed into being a top tier QB?

just like heading into 2023 i think it's a reasonable hope that he plays like he did in that half season for a full season, but i think everyone is going to be surprised to find that some of these mythical statistical benchmarks they've been holding up are actually pretty similar to what he's always been and it wont change much.
He doesn't have it  
Darwinian : 4/30/2024 7:41 pm : link
He is a limited QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's about time someone  
Go Terps : 4/30/2024 7:45 pm : link
In comment 16501478 k2tampa said:
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The point is a single stat tells nothing. I'm not defending Jones or ripping him. Was Brady bad that year?


Yes, he was. And that's supported by the fact the Buccaneers were only 25th in the NFL in scoring at 18.4 PPG. Brady threw 733 passes that were basically extended handoffs...his average depth of target plummeted to 6.7 from 8.1 the year before.

For scale, Daniel Jones's average depth of target in his banner 2022 year was 6.4 - third lowest in the league. The training wheels were on the offense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's about time someone  
BleedBlue46 : 4/30/2024 7:48 pm : link
In comment 16501556 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16501478 k2tampa said:


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The point is a single stat tells nothing. I'm not defending Jones or ripping him. Was Brady bad that year?



Yes, he was. And that's supported by the fact the Buccaneers were only 25th in the NFL in scoring at 18.4 PPG. Brady threw 733 passes that were basically extended handoffs...his average depth of target plummeted to 6.7 from 8.1 the year before.

For scale, Daniel Jones's average depth of target in his banner 2022 year was 6.4 - third lowest in the league. The training wheels were on the offense.


Maybe seeing DJ perform poorly with a good supporting cast is what Mara needs.
RE: Just as much an indictment  
chuckydee9 : 4/30/2024 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16501098 gary_from_chester said:
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On the Giants lack of playmakers as it is on DJ.

Another thread - the trend in the NFL is towards shorter passes through the air. The premium is on speed and YAC. I would expect his YPA to improve with Nabers, a healthy Wandale, Hyatt’s expected growth.

You don’t take a stat in isolation to assess a QB. If he breaks the ‘barrier’… so what? Will that really tell you something about his QB play unless you watch all the games and assess his overall play?

Anyway, if he plays…yeah, I think he’s over 7.0. Speed kills.

I dunno, those same receivers were getting deep passes much more frequently with Taylor under center.
Lordy...  
BMCBikes : 5/1/2024 10:11 am : link
...when will the insanity ever stop.
The constant excuses for Jones, who should never have been drafted in the first darn place, who's on year six and never once shown he's a franchise QB, yet excuses, excuses, excuses. It's unreal how the standard's gone from trying to win SB every year to "well, DJ's best is as good as everyone else's worst, and besides, so YAY!"
At this point, just give him a lifetime contract and cheer being 4th in a 4 horse race in the NFC East every year.
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