- Myers would have selected JJ McCarthy at 6
- Belichick doesn't want any front office oversight in his next job, just wants to coach
- Belichick and Parcells are closer as friends than ever before
- Could see Belichick as a candidate coaching at the Cowboys, or the Giants if coaching changes are made in 2025
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id suspect that as well. regardless of injuries i think they need at least 8/9 wins and tangible progress on all 3 units or there's going to be a change.
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id suspect that as well. regardless of injuries i think they need at least 8/9 wins and tangible progress on all 3 units or there's going to be a change.
If Belichick doesn't care about front office structure, I'd expect it's more likely. Although Schoen would push for status quo.
Daboll needs this to be a gritty, likable team. If the picks hit and young players develop, it's possible. This fanbase turned on Jones fast, but they will just as quickly embrace him if it's a fast start.
If he just wants to coach, possibly.
I'd welcome it. I've enjoyed watching clips of him from McAfee's show. He's still very sharp.
If that happens I think that stadium is going to be rough. At least I hope it is; they'll deserve it.
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If that happens I think that stadium is going to be rough. At least I hope it is; they'll deserve it.
For alignment and a clean slate, it's not a bad outcome. This franchise hasn't had a full clean slate in recent history. Schoen & Daboll inherited two top 10 picks that were loved by ownership. Far different than what someone like Adam Peters walked into.
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If he just wants to coach, possibly.
I'd welcome it. I've enjoyed watching clips of him from McAfee's show. He's still very sharp.
He needed something like McAfee to show his human side. Much like Tom Coughlin finally letting his guard down before 2007. I would like to see that he is more open to the Shannahan tree on offense and not his cadre of yes men. I don't think Joe Judge/Josh McDaniels/Matt Patricia as coordinators can hang with today's NFL. Belichick can still make a dominant defense, but his offense was not scoring even with his questionable personnel decisions.
Having said that, I could absolutely see Mara falling in love with the idea of bringing in Belichik because of the nostalgia and sentimentality it would bring. It would help put some perfume on the losing.
If we are talking about 2025 and beyond, I think Daboll is a better coach than BB. This feels like a worse version of Joe Gibbs 2.0 in DC
If we are talking about 2025 and beyond, I think Daboll is a better coach than BB. This feels like a worse version of Joe Gibbs 2.0 in DC
Yup. Daboll is the deal. He's still growing into the job but he'll be more than fine given the chance and Schoen getting better at his own job.
The Parcells dynamic is very interesting if both teams are replacing the HC.
If BD does his job then this will be a non factor.
We've been waiting since Coughlin to have a good coach. Let's not give it up just for a Belichick farewell tour.
I reserve the right to change my mind if NYG goes 3-14 next year.
The further we get from the draft, the more I believe NYG knew they were never drafting a QB, certainly never trading up for one, and 99% sure they were taking a WR all along.
I'm sure Mara has made Schoen and Dabes feel very comfortable about a longer term plan to move on from Jones. Let's see how this coming September and October go. Then we'll see what's what, when this already pissed off fanbase has to endure more of Daniel Jones.
The Parcells dynamic is very interesting if both teams are replacing the HC.
If BD does his job then this will be a non factor.
I am skeptical that BB would hire anyone but Josh McDaniels as OC
The further we get from the draft, the more I believe NYG knew they were never drafting a QB, certainly never trading up for one, and 99% sure they were taking a WR all along.
I'm sure Mara has made Schoen and Dabes feel very comfortable about a longer term plan to move on from Jones. Let's see how this coming September and October go. Then we'll see what's what, when this already pissed off fanbase has to endure more of Daniel Jones.
I think this is fair. Schoen looks to me that he's got some good job security to see this through.
I don't think Nabers was drafted with Jones in mind though. Nabers was drafted to be WR1 for whoever is QB.
How they go about acquiring that QB will be the BBI topic for the next year and that will annoy people, but it's the only thing that really matters.
The fans getting involved can help though. I'm expecting him to get booed off the field on quite a few occasions. That might heat up Schoens seat, but its good for the overall direction of the team.
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BB is very fond of Shanahan and that system. I think that is where he will look to go on offense if he comes back as HC.
The Parcells dynamic is very interesting if both teams are replacing the HC.
If BD does his job then this will be a non factor.
I am skeptical that BB would hire anyone but Josh McDaniels as OC
I still think McDaniels is a good OC. Horrific HC, yes but before he took the LV job, he had Mac Jones looking like a competent, starting NFL QB as a rookie no less.
They've put together a veritable track team at the receiver position. If Giants put out an anemic rush heavy offense (by the backs), and the Giants lose double digit games, look out!
That was the “plan” because that was the cards they were dealt. But if you think there was something better they could have done I’m sure we’d all like to hear what that was.
The further we get from the draft, the more I believe NYG knew they were never drafting a QB, certainly never trading up for one, and 99% sure they were taking a WR all along.
I'm sure Mara has made Schoen and Dabes feel very comfortable about a longer term plan to move on from Jones. Let's see how this coming September and October go. Then we'll see what's what, when this already pissed off fanbase has to endure more of Daniel Jones.
From what I've seen and heard we never even gave them a substantial offer for pick 3. We offered pick 6 and 2025 1st, we might have added 2025 3rd. That isn't a real offer. I think NE would have been open to trade the pick, but we just didn't want it for what it would cost. Ultimately, I think avoiding that king's ransom was a great move. And I understand taking a top 3 talent in Nabers over JJM or Penix. We do need a new QB next year in all likelihood, worst case scenario being DJ plays out his guarantees through 2025. I like some QBs in this upcoming draft and we will likely be picking ahead of the other QB needy teams.
Drafting JJm would definitely signal a change at QB but also GUARANTEE a slow start. So why is a slow start without him going to be worse?
Many here said you don't force a QB pick and take best player and now that it happened many act like the Giants are clueless and took just another player vs one of the best in this draft..
I was a very vocal supporter of the Giants drafting Maye and would have been ok with JJM too. BUT, that doesn't mean this team is worse off in the short term by taking potentially the best WR in this draft.
If someone here says the world is different and everything would be on the upswing if they drafted Penix at 6 then you can ignore anything else they say. This team added quality players in this draft, left the door wide open to move off from Daniel Jones (or not if he has a huge year- which we all believe to be unlikely) in 2025..
The Giants won with avearge to below average talent in 2022 but were completely sunk last year when their Oline issues crippled the team.. We still won 6 games (were well within 3 other games).. This team can be in wild card contention with better Oline play and consistency with the QB.. The WR group alone should open up a lot of options we haven't had..
YES, Jones and the QB position need to be upgraded long term but that wasn't in the cards this year. I get it and though I might have done something different I can say the 1 QB I wanted was MAYE and we couldn't get him..
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id suspect that as well. regardless of injuries i think they need at least 8/9 wins and tangible progress on all 3 units or there's going to be a change.
Please God no! Don't want him anywhere near the Giants.
Barring a 3-4 win season, Daboll isn't going anywhere. Getting 6 wins from the absolute wreckage that was last year's roster is borderline miraculous, I will be stunned if next year's team isn't better than last. I know, low bar, but if Daboll could get 6 wins out of that crew, I think he'll win 9 games in '24.
And even if we make a coaching change, let's say BB had his choice of here or Dallas, why would he pick here? He wants to win. He wants Shula's win record, and he wants to prove he can win a SB without Brady. His best chances for those are taking the Cowboy's job.
It's an unpopular opinion, but IMO, it's not as bad is it seems. Only negativity sells these days.
Some sort of advisor to Mara perhaps. But I think he only wants to coach, and if he doesn't get a job in 2025, I think he retires to the broadcasting booth.
+1 And fwiw, Daboll isn't going anywhere. Schoen isn't going anywhere. Aside from age which is a legitimate concern, his last stand at New England was terrible. He ruined any chance of Mac Jones succeeding. Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense and playcalling was malpractice. He still can coach defense but his NFL H/C days are very likely over.
I'm OK with him having input, he does have a wealth of knowledge, as long as he understands chain of command - GM has the final say. If he has a problem with that he shouldn't come here.
If that was the plan you would have seen them hire someone like Matt Patricia as DC and not Bowen.
BB is going for Shula's record.
No way he'll be a coordinator.
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id suspect that as well. regardless of injuries i think they need at least 8/9 wins and tangible progress on all 3 units or there's going to be a change.
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If the team is still high on Daboll and BB out of work any way Bill coaches the D?
If that was the plan you would have seen them hire someone like Matt Patricia as DC and not Bowen.
Not necessarily, BB will want to hire his own staff. Either way, I don't think Daboll is getting fired this year even if we have a high pick. That will fall squarely on DJ and might be the final straw that wakes Mara up.
As someone else just posted. Bill B to the Giants is a disaster waiting to happen.
And it is also laughable that some are talking Dak Prescott as a possibility in 2025. After he has been completely barbecued on BBI for years.
As someone else just posted. Bill B to the Giants is a disaster waiting to happen.
And it is also laughable that some are talking Dak Prescott as a possibility in 2025. After he has been completely barbecued on BBI for years.
I wouldn't love Dak to NY, but it is a real possibility if Schoen doesn't think he can get a QB in 2025 draft.
BB may never coach in the NFL again after the job Kraft did on him.
If we are talking about 2025 and beyond, I think Daboll is a better coach than BB. This feels like a worse version of Joe Gibbs 2.0 in DC
Joe Gibbs isn't in the same stratosphere as BB.
This is where I am. I'm surprised at all the 4-13 type talk. They're better than last year imo. 7-10/8-9 feel right to me.
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AND if the Giants suck this year, I think he would be the next HC, with Schoen retained as GM. But, I don't think this is the likely scenario because I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for them to make a coaching move.
This is where I am. I'm surprised at all the 4-13 type talk. They're better than last year imo. 7-10/8-9 feel right to me.
As much as the COTY win was nice in year 1, I had major doubts early in year 2 but the fact the team kept playing hard and finding wins late in the season told me Dabs is a solid NFL HC. Won't know his ceiling anytime soon but we need to get away from having a new HC every 2-3 years.
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AND if the Giants suck this year, I think he would be the next HC, with Schoen retained as GM. But, I don't think this is the likely scenario because I don't think the Giants will be bad enough for them to make a coaching move.
This is where I am. I'm surprised at all the 4-13 type talk. They're better than last year imo. 7-10/8-9 feel right to me.
I keep thinking 8 wins sounds about right.
5-8 wins sounds right. There's a chance DJ hinders this offense greatly but they will feel obligated to start him because of his contract. If DJ can't make throws downfield, this offense will be very easy to bottle up with shallow zones, stunts, twists and overloads (even with Nabers). We could be worse than last year if DJ can't open up the field with downfield throws. Defenses don't need to just focus on Saquon now.
We've been waiting since Coughlin to have a good coach. Let's not give it up just for a Belichick farewell tour.
I reserve the right to change my mind if NYG goes 3-14 next year.
Isn’t the jury still out on Daboll? His teams have been terribly inconsistent and at times not ready to play. His sideline demeanor is less than calm and he doesn’t know how to work the media. Is he a players’ coach or a hardass? His two teams have had no true identity.