This has something I've noticed with him for a while, and have referred to it in threads: throughout his 60 career starts, Jones has been significantly worse at home (FYI, the image here is small but you can click on it to enlarge):
At home, Jones throws for less TDs, significantly less Y/A and AY/A, has a much lower rating, throws more INTs, and loses more fumbles (not included in the chart here, but it's true) and takes more sacks.
Ok, let's start with the potential objections: teams tend to win more at home, and thus play more conservatively; this could explain the lower Y/A and TDs. However, this would not explain the higher turnovers, plus, Jones's record at home is barely better than on the road.
Could it be that the Meadowlands is just harder to play in? Well, let me present to you Phil Simms and Eli Manning's home and away splits:
As you can see, Simms was a litle better at home, and Eli was a little bit better on the road, but the differences weren't significant. I also looked at a random sample of other non-Giants QBs: Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and Derek Carr. Ironically, none had much difference between home and away other than Mahomes, who is much better on the road, but we're talking about the difference between "very good" and "incredible."
What's going on here? I want to trust this organization and especially Schoen and Daboll, and I'm trying to get behind rooting for Jones this season, but the fact is he is not playing to a sufficient level at home and it's an anamoly compared to the league. Do you think it's something the Giants have even noticed? I have my doubts.
If we got the road version of Daniel Jones at home, it would add up to decent QB. Maybe a little low on Y/A, but still efficient. If he starts this year, I'm definitely going to be paying attention to this discrepancy.
I would say this but he doesn't seem to attempt them as much at home. This would be fine if he were playing an efficient conservative game, but he also turns the ball over more at home.
He's a full yard worse on adjusted yards per attempt.
"It's fine."
His 2 best games in his rookie year were road Detroit and Washington, right? 9-10 TDs right there.
His 2 best games in his rookie year were road Detroit and Washington, right? 9-10 TDs right there.
Check the thread post: both Eli and Simms played in the same circumstances and didn't have this problem. In fact, Simms played better at home.
Eli also balled out in several late season cold weather games. Against the pats in the 2007 finale, and against the Cowboys and Falcons in 2011.
@TB 2 pass TDs, 2 rush TDS
@DET 4 pass TDs
@NYJ 4 pass TDs
@WAS 5 pass TDs
Those four games: 15 passing TDs, 0 INTs
Other 26 road games: 20 TDs, 14 INTs
He's also clustered a lot of INTs at home, 8 of his 10 multi-interception games have been at MetLife, oddly against good teams, including:
2019 vs. GB (13-3): 3 INTs
2020 vs PIT (12-4): 2 INTs
2020 vs TB (11-5, SB champs): 2 INTs
2021 vs. LAR (12-5, SB champs): 2 INTs
2021 vs TB (13-4): 2 INTs
Long story short, I don't think there's anything specific to MetLife causing the home/road splits to look different, as is true for his entire career, I think a few games that happened to be on the road have skewed the data.
"It's fine."
he stinks at home and he stinks away. And the adjusted Y/A can simply be noise and weather, game score etc.
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A full yard less per attempt once you factor in sacks, more sacks, more fumbles lost, less TDs, a similar record despite home field advantage, and this difference isn't noticeable when you look at other QBs in the league.
"It's fine."
he stinks at home and he stinks away. And the adjusted Y/A can simply be noise and weather, game score etc.
lol fair enough. I'd argue that if you got the road version of Daniel Jones at home, we'd be les anxious.
@TB 2 pass TDs, 2 rush TDS
@DET 4 pass TDs
@NYJ 4 pass TDs
@WAS 5 pass TDs
Those four games: 15 passing TDs, 0 INTs
Other 26 road games: 20 TDs, 14 INTs
He's also clustered a lot of INTs at home, 8 of his 10 multi-interception games have been at MetLife, oddly against good teams, including:
2019 vs. GB (13-3): 3 INTs
2020 vs PIT (12-4): 2 INTs
2020 vs TB (11-5, SB champs): 2 INTs
2021 vs. LAR (12-5, SB champs): 2 INTs
2021 vs TB (13-4): 2 INTs
Long story short, I don't think there's anything specific to MetLife causing the home/road splits to look different, as is true for his entire career, I think a few games that happened to be on the road have skewed the data.
I think this makes a good case, but I feel like even his best games against good defenses (which are rare) tend to come on the road. Both New Orleans in 2021 and Green Bay in 2022 for example.
I think this makes a good case, but I feel like even his best games against good defenses (which are rare) tend to come on the road. Both New Orleans in 2021 and Green Bay in 2022 for example.
GB 2022 was in England, for what it's worth.
Yeah. I mean I want to be even-keeled. I want to see it. And I know it's only a 30 game sample at home, but jeez, those are miserable numbers in the modern NFL. And that's the place you're supposed to hold serve in.
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Yeah. I mean I want to be even-keeled. I want to see it. And I know it's only a 30 game sample at home, but jeez, those are miserable numbers in the modern NFL. And that's the place you're supposed to hold serve in.
Maybe it's the shit he takes from many home fans which adds to the intense pressure he already has, i.e.: OL, weak wideouts.
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Yeah. I mean I want to be even-keeled. I want to see it. And I know it's only a 30 game sample at home, but jeez, those are miserable numbers in the modern NFL. And that's the place you're supposed to hold serve in.
Maybe it's the shit he takes from many home fans which adds to the intense pressure he already has, i.e.: OL, weak wideouts.
The same fans who hated his name during the Indy game in 2022?... That gave Mara a boner and the conviction to sign him long-sh term.
Thanks for that btw.
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Yeah. I mean I want to be even-keeled. I want to see it. And I know it's only a 30 game sample at home, but jeez, those are miserable numbers in the modern NFL. And that's the place you're supposed to hold serve in.
Maybe it's the shit he takes from many home fans which adds to the intense pressure he already has, i.e.: OL, weak wideouts.
The same fans who hated his name during the Indy game in 2022?... That gave Mara a boner and the conviction to sign him long-sh term.
Thanks for that btw.
Chanted that should have been.
Orrrrr....stay with me here....he just sucks ass as an NFL QB?
Maybe it's the shit he takes from many home fans which adds to the intense pressure he already has, i.e.: OL, weak wideouts.
Why's everybody being so mean to poor Daniel? He just wants to play QB and make $40 million per year and be left alone.
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Maybe it's the shit he takes from many home fans which adds to the intense pressure he already has, i.e.: OL, weak wideouts.
Why's everybody being so mean to poor Daniel? He just wants to play QB and make $40 million per year and be left alone.
I think some poor folks bought the jersey.
It's a sample size that's already larger than the average NFL career. If that's not adequate to draw conclusions, neither are the majority of the roster decisions that have been made in the history of the NFL.
30 games in each set should theoretically provide enough ballast to quiet any outlier noise that populates the margins.
So he plays worse at home because the fans are mean to him?
What an endorsement.
The mystery here is that he's a league-average QB on the road. A 35-14 TD-INT ratio over 30 games is solid. Still low on TDs but it's a cleaner performance history than at home.
2019 Jets offense: 32nd in points per drive
2019 Jets defense: 9th in points per drive allowed
And secondly, the 2019 Bucs defense had the infamous 30 INT + 12 fumbles in the season from the almighty Jameis.
5 TDs 352yds @ Redskins
4 TDs 322yds @ Lions
4 TDs 302yds @ Jets (considering this is at Metalife is it even considered an away game)
These 3 games obviously schew his home vs away split
These 3 games were outlier for Dan Jones, he has never ever thrown 3TDs in a game since. In fact I think I can count with my fingers how many games he passed for more then 2Tds.
Point of this is, he stinks equally both home and away