and Banks said a playoff appearance is the goal of the front office. I don’t know if he’s just talking out of his ass but he believes playoffs should be the goal too. Brought up the blowout win against Philly as evidence they are closing the gap.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
"Jones can't tie his own shoelaces" contingent is as equally delusional as the DJFC.
To be fair, Jones would be able to tie his own shoes just fine as long as he’s sitting in the perfect chair, the shoes fit just right and the laces are long enough to allow for some extra tugging. I’m not sure how anyone in the world could possibly tie their shoes without these things being ideal…
and Banks said a playoff appearance is the goal of the front office. I don’t know if he’s just talking out of his ass but he believes playoffs should be the goal too. Brought up the blowout win against Philly as evidence they are closing the gap.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
SF almost won a Super Bowl last year. And they were very much in contention to do the same the prior year. Do you think they wouldn't replace Brock Purdy? Do they NEED to? Maybe. But I'll take that kind of success all day long. ALL DAY LONG. Is anyone here now willing to argue Brock Purdy looks better than Daniel Jones on the Giants last year? I sure wouldn't.
was open all the time and Jones was throwing to covered short routes instead. The Giants somehow completed a bunch of passes down the field with Tyrod Taylor.
This is simply not true.. no one is open ALL the time... come on... seriously..
I would wager probably not and then that's where the fun begins.
And Terps is right, the window for the Giants winning the division alone, should be open right now. But because they very likely, almost certainly botched the QB decision, which is the most important and crucial piece, this window will likely be wasted.
Needing a full rebuild yet again, as the Giants have to weigh how much do they pay Thomas, Dex, Burns, Banks, KT, JMS and Nabers if he makes a 2nd contract (I doubt this for reasons).
and Banks said a playoff appearance is the goal of the front office. I don’t know if he’s just talking out of his ass but he believes playoffs should be the goal too. Brought up the blowout win against Philly as evidence they are closing the gap.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
SF almost won a Super Bowl last year. And they were very much in contention to do the same the prior year. Do you think they wouldn't replace Brock Purdy? Do they NEED to? Maybe. But I'll take that kind of success all day long. ALL DAY LONG. Is anyone here now willing to argue Brock Purdy looks better than Daniel Jones on the Giants last year? I sure wouldn't.
Sure. But taking Nabers over McCarthy makes sense. It wasn't some crazy, batshit dumb idea..
I don't disagree @ all. But it's going to fuck suck if JJM or Nixon or Penix becomes a stud & we got Nabers throwing his hands up in the air when DJ isn't getting him the ball, the latter scenario which I could 100% see this fall.
Sure. But taking Nabers over McCarthy makes sense. It wasn't some crazy, batshit dumb idea..
I don't disagree @ all. But it's going to fuck suck if JJM or Nixon or Penix becomes a stud & we got Nabers throwing his hands up in the air when DJ isn't getting him the ball, the latter scenario which I could 100% see this fall.
Or they don't, and Nabers becomes a continual All-Pro WR.
Perhaps, all TBD. If I had to put $ on it, I'd bet one of the three (JJM, Nix, or Penix) becomes an elite QB. & I think Nabers is going to be great. I just hope we get him a QB where his talent isn't wasted, which I fear might happen with Jones.
Regardless of what I think of him as a talent-not much-I think there's a legit chance he's just screwed up mentally from years of bad OL play, a lot like David Carr was after his time in Houston.
Simply "being better than Jones" isn't good enough for six, even if that were true.
If that's their approach why would they draft a QB next year? Their exposure to QB prospects figure to be less next year than it was this year. They'll still have Jones under contract, so why force it?
Simply "being better than Jones" isn't good enough for six, even if that were true.
If that's their approach why would they draft a QB next year? Their exposure to QB prospects figure to be less next year than it was this year. They'll still have Jones under contract, so why force it?
We don't know what the draft will look like next year. TBD.
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
You can't rule out the Cowboys, Seahawks, Jets, Bucs, and Steelers.
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
1. Terps hates Daniel Jones
2. Anything current GM and coach do that doesn’t involve replacing Daniel Jones is completely stupid
3. Let’s only bringing up the 2023 season and not 2022, because hey only one of those seasons actually happened and it was definitely 2023 not 2022
4. Jones sucks
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
The Giants put themselves in this position by ignoring the position in the draft for years. Now they have no choice.
1. Terps hates Daniel Jones
2. Anything current GM and coach do that doesn’t involve replacing Daniel Jones is completely stupid
3. Let’s only bringing up the 2023 season and not 2022, because hey only one of those seasons actually happened and it was definitely 2023 not 2022
4. Jones sucks
Most games, Daniel will play a normal Daniel game - 200 yards on short, low risk throws, usually 1 TD. If we are playing a good team we will lose. If we are playing a mediocre team the outcome will be determined by turnovers and random events like missed FGs.
Outside of that He'll have 2 or 3 good games against bad teams and a few terrible games. We'll probably win 6 or 7 games.
Most games, Daniel will play a normal Daniel game - 200 yards on short, low risk throws, usually 1 TD. If we are playing a good team we will lose. If we are playing a mediocre team the outcome will be determined by turnovers and random events like missed FGs.
Outside of that He'll have 2 or 3 good games against bad teams and a few terrible games. We'll probably win 6 or 7 games.
Not so sure. Nabers can take a 5-yard pass and turn it into a 75 yard touchdown.
Listen, I can't move on from Jones soon enough. I'd drive up from NC tomorrow to help him move out of his apartment. But if he's starting, I hope he's looking to Nabers. All. The. Time. Nabers strikes me as Odell like...throw him a slant & he'll take it to the house. Fuck, that was pretty much our 2016 offensive gameplan.
because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
You can't rule out the Cowboys, Seahawks, Jets, Bucs, and Steelers.
Indeed. I feel like we keep saying this. NEXT year there won't be as much competition, but the season always raises questions and there will probably be a hard 4 teams and an addition 2 or 3 soft teams evaluating the position.
Listen, I can't move on from Jones soon enough. I'd drive up from NC tomorrow to help him move out of his apartment. But if he's starting, I hope he's looking to Nabers. All. The. Time. Nabers strikes me as Odell like...throw him a slant & he'll take it to the house. Fuck, that was pretty much our 2016 offensive gameplan.
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
What if the force ends up being Josh Allen?
I don't understand the never-ending Rosen counter. It's like Tourette Syndrome.
You/others act like Rosen was bad at UCLA. His senior year, while dealing with a concussion at one point, completed 63% of his passes, threw for 26TDs, and an 8.3 YPA. Sy was bullish pre-draft.
This sure-thing mentality is just bizarre.
Why is Nabers more of sure thing, btw? The bust rate for first round WRs is the highest of any position.
Listen, I can't move on from Jones soon enough. I'd drive up from NC tomorrow to help him move out of his apartment. But if he's starting, I hope he's looking to Nabers. All. The. Time. Nabers strikes me as Odell like...throw him a slant & he'll take it to the house. Fuck, that was pretty much our 2016 offensive gameplan.
Jone's will, if its the first read
Eli could hit downfield throws though, if DJ fails to do that again we are toast and I don't think Lock will get to start unless DJ is hurt.
the only way this plan really makes sense is if they believe in Jones to get his act together. If they don't, they have taken a colossal risk.
I said it last night on another thread. Jones was Plan B of this draft.
Plan A, if the rumors are accurate, was to grab the QB that was love at first sight.
If that failed, however, they were comfortable going with Jones. Schoen/Daboll probably convinced themselves going into the draft that with more resources they could easily get Jones back to V.2022. Thus, draft the stud WR prospect.
As the song goes, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with...
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
What if the force ends up being Josh Allen?
I don't understand the never-ending Rosen counter. It's like Tourette Syndrome.
You/others act like Rosen was bad at UCLA. His senior year, while dealing with a concussion at one point, completed 63% of his passes, threw for 26TDs, and an 8.3 YPA. Sy was bullish pre-draft.
This sure-thing mentality is just bizarre.
Why is Nabers more of sure thing, btw? The bust rate for first round WRs is the highest of any position.
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
the only way this plan really makes sense is if they believe in Jones to get his act together. If they don't, they have taken a colossal risk.
I said it last night on another thread. Jones was Plan B of this draft.
Plan A, if the rumors are accurate, was to grab the QB that was love at first sight.
If that failed, however, they were comfortable going with Jones. Schoen/Daboll probably convinced themselves going into the draft that with more resources they could easily get Jones back to V.2022. Thus, draft the stud WR prospect.
As the song goes, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with...
It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
RE: RE: RE: If you look at this truly objectively,
It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
It sounds more and more like Schoen was window shopping at the QB Store. He may have gone in to get a price check, but I think he left his wallet at home.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you look at this truly objectively,
It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
It sounds more and more like Schoen was window shopping at the QB Store. He may have gone in to get a price check, but I think he left his wallet at home.
Terps, you make a lot of grandiose statements but have no idea if the Giants are going to be proven right or wrong about this QB class. They liked Williams and Maye the best.
If McCarthy turns into Joe Burrow then I think you can keep talking. But all of your posts amount to absolutely nothing. It is just pure conjecture.
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
Hahah good point. But but but, they have to keep taking swings!!
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
I would push back on this. Murray has produced 120 TDs in 5 years. Jones? 75. And Arizona broke 25ppg as an offense 2X in his career.
2022 and 2023 were injury riddled seasons for Murray. Which is a valid knock, but Jones hasn't been better.
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
I would push back on this. Murray has produced 120 TDs in 5 years. Jones? 75. And Arizona broke 25ppg as an offense 2X in his career.
2022 and 2023 were injury riddled seasons for Murray. Which is a valid knock, but Jones hasn't been better.
Arizona made the right move to dump Rosen. Just because you make a right move doesn't necessarily mean you'll be an awesome team.
If it were the Giants, Rosen would still be here as long as he showed up to work on time, looked people in the eye while shaking their hands, and occasionally asked Mr. Mara about his workout routine
- Veteran highly paid QB
- Veteran highly paid left tackle
- Highly drafted third year right tackle
- Highly drafted explosive WR
- Highly paid edge rusher
- Highly drafted second edge rusher
- Highly paid nose tackle
- Highly drafted CB
They have all these things and we aren't expecting the playoffs? Do we see the problem here?
But you're not bashing Jones.
We all know we have a QB issue.
Why don't you expect a playoff appearance? This team is in a window to compete. Right now.
Are you trolling at this point?
It's a shame that you've become this kind of poster. It really is. Because you have a lot to offer.
We all want better qb. But this is who GT is. And people, yourself included, treat him like he's the brightest football mind since Bill Walsh. And an often overlooked aspect of his history on this forum, is that the guy went AWOL when Jones was playing well in 2022. Wasn't heard from for months
And an often overlooked aspect of his history on this forum, is that the guy went AWOL when Jones was playing well in 2022. Wasn't heard from for months
The only thing that's ever been overlooked is the actual reason why.
And an often overlooked aspect of his history on this forum, is that the guy went AWOL when Jones was playing well in 2022. Wasn't heard from for months
The only thing that's ever been overlooked is the actual reason why.
I would submit it was because he got tired of listening to all of the pollyanna DJ bullshit with posters thumping their chests over the genius of Joe Schoen in making DJ the sixth highest paid player this year in the NFL. It seems that Terps came back the moment that reality proved that all of that pollyanna bullshit was just a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. You know, the moment the season started and it became clear we would now be in quarterback hell for years to come because of that contract.
No, we don't expect to be a playoff team in 2024. Outside posters like Milton, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who believes that.
I don't know about that Eric. In a thread that was created a week or two ago about predicting the Giants WL record in 2024, there were more than few 9 or 10 win predictions. In the watered down NFL playoffs, that's likely a wild card. I believe it's lunacy, (I predicted 4-6 wins) but old Milton is not alone.
We are not going to be good, but making the playoffs is possible
Especially in the NFC. 6.5 is the correct over/under. That's our talent level. But it's very possible for a team at that level to win 3 more games than expected.
People need to understand that 7/16 teams make the playoffs so it's not some massive accomplishment. Inevitably there will be 2 or 3 terrible teams and 1 or 2 teams that are destroyed by injury. Basically as long as you aren't terrible, you'll make the playoffs every couple of years based on variance. I think it's 30 out of 32 teams have made the playoffs in the last 5 years.
RE: We are not going to be good, but making the playoffs is possible
Especially in the NFC. 6.5 is the correct over/under. That's our talent level. But it's very possible for a team at that level to win 3 more games than expected.
People need to understand that 7/16 teams make the playoffs so it's not some massive accomplishment. Inevitably there will be 2 or 3 terrible teams and 1 or 2 teams that are destroyed by injury. Basically as long as you aren't terrible, you'll make the playoffs every couple of years based on variance. I think it's 30 out of 32 teams have made the playoffs in the last 5 years.
I don't care about squeaking into the playoffs with a bad team. Shoot for more. Build for championships. I'd rather miss the playoffs and commit to a proper rebuild with a high ceiling QB.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
To be fair, Jones would be able to tie his own shoes just fine as long as he’s sitting in the perfect chair, the shoes fit just right and the laces are long enough to allow for some extra tugging. I’m not sure how anyone in the world could possibly tie their shoes without these things being ideal…
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and Banks said a playoff appearance is the goal of the front office. I don’t know if he’s just talking out of his ass but he believes playoffs should be the goal too. Brought up the blowout win against Philly as evidence they are closing the gap.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
SF almost won a Super Bowl last year. And they were very much in contention to do the same the prior year. Do you think they wouldn't replace Brock Purdy? Do they NEED to? Maybe. But I'll take that kind of success all day long. ALL DAY LONG. Is anyone here now willing to argue Brock Purdy looks better than Daniel Jones on the Giants last year? I sure wouldn't.
This is simply not true.. no one is open ALL the time... come on... seriously..
I would wager probably not and then that's where the fun begins.
And Terps is right, the window for the Giants winning the division alone, should be open right now. But because they very likely, almost certainly botched the QB decision, which is the most important and crucial piece, this window will likely be wasted.
Needing a full rebuild yet again, as the Giants have to weigh how much do they pay Thomas, Dex, Burns, Banks, KT, JMS and Nabers if he makes a 2nd contract (I doubt this for reasons).
- Veteran highly paid left tackle
- Highly drafted third year right tackle
- Highly drafted explosive WR
- Highly paid edge rusher
- Highly drafted second edge rusher
- Highly paid nose tackle
- Highly drafted CB
They have all these things and we aren't expecting the playoffs? Do we see the problem here?
So one of the reasons we should expect the playoffs is because we have Evan Neal?
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and Banks said a playoff appearance is the goal of the front office. I don’t know if he’s just talking out of his ass but he believes playoffs should be the goal too. Brought up the blowout win against Philly as evidence they are closing the gap.
If you believe Jones is serviceable, the OL is improved and Burns/Nabers are impact additions, I don’t know why a 2022-type season is so outrageous.
Nearly half the league makes a playoff appearance in a given year.
The gap is closing to Philly because they got worse, as evidenced by the fact that they got worked over by Baker Mayfield.
And again it brings up the question, if they’re eager to replace the QB who would appearing in the playoffs further that cause?
SF almost won a Super Bowl last year. And they were very much in contention to do the same the prior year. Do you think they wouldn't replace Brock Purdy? Do they NEED to? Maybe. But I'll take that kind of success all day long. ALL DAY LONG. Is anyone here now willing to argue Brock Purdy looks better than Daniel Jones on the Giants last year? I sure wouldn't.
He absolutely did
I don't disagree @ all. But it's going to fuck suck if JJM or Nixon or Penix becomes a stud & we got Nabers throwing his hands up in the air when DJ isn't getting him the ball, the latter scenario which I could 100% see this fall.
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Sure. But taking Nabers over McCarthy makes sense. It wasn't some crazy, batshit dumb idea..
I don't disagree @ all. But it's going to fuck suck if JJM or Nixon or Penix becomes a stud & we got Nabers throwing his hands up in the air when DJ isn't getting him the ball, the latter scenario which I could 100% see this fall.
Or they don't, and Nabers becomes a continual All-Pro WR.
Regardless of what I think of him as a talent-not much-I think there's a legit chance he's just screwed up mentally from years of bad OL play, a lot like David Carr was after his time in Houston.
If that's their approach why would they draft a QB next year? Their exposure to QB prospects figure to be less next year than it was this year. They'll still have Jones under contract, so why force it?
and it's Lock, not Locke or Loki or Loch ness
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Simply "being better than Jones" isn't good enough for six, even if that were true.
If that's their approach why would they draft a QB next year? Their exposure to QB prospects figure to be less next year than it was this year. They'll still have Jones under contract, so why force it?
We don't know what the draft will look like next year. TBD.
You can't rule out the Cowboys, Seahawks, Jets, Bucs, and Steelers.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
1. Terps hates Daniel Jones
2. Anything current GM and coach do that doesn’t involve replacing Daniel Jones is completely stupid
3. Let’s only bringing up the 2023 season and not 2022, because hey only one of those seasons actually happened and it was definitely 2023 not 2022
4. Jones sucks
That it?
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because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
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because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
Lots of eggs in one basket. I agree with what you said on that podcast - they had to get their QB this offseason or next. This offseason is gone.
Now you're talking about doing what so many said was so bad: forcing the QB in 2025.
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
The Giants put themselves in this position by ignoring the position in the draft for years. Now they have no choice.
1. Terps hates Daniel Jones
2. Anything current GM and coach do that doesn’t involve replacing Daniel Jones is completely stupid
3. Let’s only bringing up the 2023 season and not 2022, because hey only one of those seasons actually happened and it was definitely 2023 not 2022
4. Jones sucks
That it?
Did 2020 or 2021 happen also, or nah?
Outside of that He'll have 2 or 3 good games against bad teams and a few terrible games. We'll probably win 6 or 7 games.
Outside of that He'll have 2 or 3 good games against bad teams and a few terrible games. We'll probably win 6 or 7 games.
Not so sure. Nabers can take a 5-yard pass and turn it into a 75 yard touchdown.
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because six QBs were taken this year, there won't be a lot of teams looking QB in round one next year. Giants, Raiders, maybe the Titans, possibly the Browns.
You can't rule out the Cowboys, Seahawks, Jets, Bucs, and Steelers.
Indeed. I feel like we keep saying this. NEXT year there won't be as much competition, but the season always raises questions and there will probably be a hard 4 teams and an addition 2 or 3 soft teams evaluating the position.
Jone's will, if its the first read
So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
What if the force ends up being Josh Allen?
I don't understand the never-ending Rosen counter. It's like Tourette Syndrome.
You/others act like Rosen was bad at UCLA. His senior year, while dealing with a concussion at one point, completed 63% of his passes, threw for 26TDs, and an 8.3 YPA. Sy was bullish pre-draft.
This sure-thing mentality is just bizarre.
Why is Nabers more of sure thing, btw? The bust rate for first round WRs is the highest of any position.
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Listen, I can't move on from Jones soon enough. I'd drive up from NC tomorrow to help him move out of his apartment. But if he's starting, I hope he's looking to Nabers. All. The. Time. Nabers strikes me as Odell like...throw him a slant & he'll take it to the house. Fuck, that was pretty much our 2016 offensive gameplan.
Jone's will, if its the first read
Eli could hit downfield throws though, if DJ fails to do that again we are toast and I don't think Lock will get to start unless DJ is hurt.
I said it last night on another thread. Jones was Plan B of this draft.
Plan A, if the rumors are accurate, was to grab the QB that was love at first sight.
If that failed, however, they were comfortable going with Jones. Schoen/Daboll probably convinced themselves going into the draft that with more resources they could easily get Jones back to V.2022. Thus, draft the stud WR prospect.
As the song goes, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with...
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So you would force one in 2024 so they didn’t have to in 2025? What if the one you forced this year turned into Josh Rosen?
What if the force ends up being Josh Allen?
I don't understand the never-ending Rosen counter. It's like Tourette Syndrome.
You/others act like Rosen was bad at UCLA. His senior year, while dealing with a concussion at one point, completed 63% of his passes, threw for 26TDs, and an 8.3 YPA. Sy was bullish pre-draft.
This sure-thing mentality is just bizarre.
Why is Nabers more of sure thing, btw? The bust rate for first round WRs is the highest of any position.
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
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the only way this plan really makes sense is if they believe in Jones to get his act together. If they don't, they have taken a colossal risk.
I said it last night on another thread. Jones was Plan B of this draft.
Plan A, if the rumors are accurate, was to grab the QB that was love at first sight.
If that failed, however, they were comfortable going with Jones. Schoen/Daboll probably convinced themselves going into the draft that with more resources they could easily get Jones back to V.2022. Thus, draft the stud WR prospect.
As the song goes, if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with...
It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
It sounds more and more like Schoen was window shopping at the QB Store. He may have gone in to get a price check, but I think he left his wallet at home.
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It wasn't full bloom love or Mara wouldn't approve of offering a legit package. Pick 6 and 2025 1st would never have cut it. We didn't even make an offer close to what Minnesota offered. I'm glad we didn't, but this idea that we did everything we could to get Maye is a joke.
It sounds more and more like Schoen was window shopping at the QB Store. He may have gone in to get a price check, but I think he left his wallet at home.
100%
If McCarthy turns into Joe Burrow then I think you can keep talking. But all of your posts amount to absolutely nothing. It is just pure conjecture.
I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
Hahah good point. But but but, they have to keep taking swings!!
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I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
I would push back on this. Murray has produced 120 TDs in 5 years. Jones? 75. And Arizona broke 25ppg as an offense 2X in his career.
2022 and 2023 were injury riddled seasons for Murray. Which is a valid knock, but Jones hasn't been better.
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I used Josh Rosen because Go Terps has praised Arizona for going QB with the first round pick in consecutive years even though it has not resulted in much more success than the Giants have.
I would push back on this. Murray has produced 120 TDs in 5 years. Jones? 75. And Arizona broke 25ppg as an offense 2X in his career.
2022 and 2023 were injury riddled seasons for Murray. Which is a valid knock, but Jones hasn't been better.
Yay Az!
Giants
2023: 6- 11
2022: 9- 7
2021: 4- 13
2020: 6- 10
2019: 4- 12
Total: 29- 53
AZ
2023: 4- 13
2022: 4- 13
2021: 11- 6
2020: 8- 8
2019: 5- 10
Total: 32- 50
If it were the Giants, Rosen would still be here as long as he showed up to work on time, looked people in the eye while shaking their hands, and occasionally asked Mr. Mara about his workout routine
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There is validity to what you are arguing.
What the Giants also did makes sense.
If the three quarterbacks they passed on look like studs, you are right. If they don't, the Giants are right.
Taking a QB in round 5, 6, or 7 wasn't going to fix this.
I’d say that if just one of them becomes a stud…really bad look.
Right. But Murray has at least resembled a franchise QB; and when healthy has shown he can lead a productive offense.
Jones has never shown that...
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Both franchises haven't done much winning.
Right. But Murray has at least resembled a franchise QB; and when healthy has shown he can lead a productive offense.
Jones has never shown that...
Well, I think he shows better than you do, obviously... but point taken BW.
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In comment 16504148 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16504124 Go Terps said:
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- Veteran highly paid QB
- Veteran highly paid left tackle
- Highly drafted third year right tackle
- Highly drafted explosive WR
- Highly paid edge rusher
- Highly drafted second edge rusher
- Highly paid nose tackle
- Highly drafted CB
They have all these things and we aren't expecting the playoffs? Do we see the problem here?
But you're not bashing Jones.
We all know we have a QB issue.
Why don't you expect a playoff appearance? This team is in a window to compete. Right now.
Are you trolling at this point?
It's a shame that you've become this kind of poster. It really is. Because you have a lot to offer.
We all want better qb. But this is who GT is. And people, yourself included, treat him like he's the brightest football mind since Bill Walsh. And an often overlooked aspect of his history on this forum, is that the guy went AWOL when Jones was playing well in 2022. Wasn't heard from for months
The only thing that's ever been overlooked is the actual reason why.
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And an often overlooked aspect of his history on this forum, is that the guy went AWOL when Jones was playing well in 2022. Wasn't heard from for months
The only thing that's ever been overlooked is the actual reason why.
I would submit it was because he got tired of listening to all of the pollyanna DJ bullshit with posters thumping their chests over the genius of Joe Schoen in making DJ the sixth highest paid player this year in the NFL. It seems that Terps came back the moment that reality proved that all of that pollyanna bullshit was just a bunch of pollyanna bullshit. You know, the moment the season started and it became clear we would now be in quarterback hell for years to come because of that contract.
I don't know about that Eric. In a thread that was created a week or two ago about predicting the Giants WL record in 2024, there were more than few 9 or 10 win predictions. In the watered down NFL playoffs, that's likely a wild card. I believe it's lunacy, (I predicted 4-6 wins) but old Milton is not alone.
People need to understand that 7/16 teams make the playoffs so it's not some massive accomplishment. Inevitably there will be 2 or 3 terrible teams and 1 or 2 teams that are destroyed by injury. Basically as long as you aren't terrible, you'll make the playoffs every couple of years based on variance. I think it's 30 out of 32 teams have made the playoffs in the last 5 years.
People need to understand that 7/16 teams make the playoffs so it's not some massive accomplishment. Inevitably there will be 2 or 3 terrible teams and 1 or 2 teams that are destroyed by injury. Basically as long as you aren't terrible, you'll make the playoffs every couple of years based on variance. I think it's 30 out of 32 teams have made the playoffs in the last 5 years.
I don't care about squeaking into the playoffs with a bad team. Shoot for more. Build for championships. I'd rather miss the playoffs and commit to a proper rebuild with a high ceiling QB.