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12 players officially had their 5th-year options declined

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2024 7:39 pm
Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate

12 players officially had their 5th-year options declined:

No. 2: Zach Wilson
No. 3: Trey Lance
No. 11: Justin Fields
No. 15: Mac Jones
No. 16: Zaven Collins
No. 19: Jamin Davis
No. 20: Kadarius Toney
No. 22: Caleb Farley
No. 24: Najee Harris
No. 28: Payton Turner
No. 29: Eric Stokes
No. 32: Joe Tryon-Shoyinka

Alex Leatherwood (No. 17, cut from contract) and Rashod Bateman (No. 27, not enough accrued seasons) were not eligible.
Surprised Harris’s was declined  
Mike in NY : 5/2/2024 7:41 pm : link
He seems to fit what Arthur Smith likes to do and the option amount for RB would have been less than $7 Million.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2024 7:42 pm : link
For our sake, I hope the '24 QB class busts like the '21 class.

As for Kadarius, Haha.
Man all those QBs early  
Mark from Jersey : 5/2/2024 7:43 pm : link
rough draft class, at least the first round.
I thought AZ  
Bill in UT : 5/2/2024 7:43 pm : link
was really gonna be set at LB after drafting Simmons and Collins back to back in the first round. They both turned out to be major disappointments.
"Generational QB class"  
Sy'56 : 5/2/2024 7:54 pm : link
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4 QBs on that list  
ZogZerg : 5/2/2024 7:54 pm : link
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Now’s a good time for real draft grades  
mfsd : 5/2/2024 7:55 pm : link
for that class
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shocktheworld : 5/2/2024 7:57 pm : link
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Exactly haha, maybe NYG made the right choice this draft after all… there’s a lot of lost premium draft capital lost just being in a position to make many of those QB picks… yikes. I’ll take Nabers, thanks! Haha
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Kevin_in_Pgh : 5/2/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16504287 Sy'56 said:
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This is a great example of why I'd love to see a "like" option for comments!
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AROCK1000 : 5/2/2024 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16504287 Sy'56 said:
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Haaaa
How about 24...6 in the first 12 picks
5 of 6 will be on this same list in a few years
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Sky King : 5/2/2024 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16504287 Sy'56 said:
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Shows how pro scouts can often be wrong.
Toney…  
knowledgetimmons : 5/2/2024 8:23 pm : link
One of the most physically gifted morons to ever play the game. What a shame. He could’ve been special.
Meanwhile the 49ers have been to 3 straight NFC title games  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/2/2024 10:07 pm : link
And a Super Bowl since wasting all those picks on Lance.
another way to look at it - first 11 non-QBs options picked up  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2024 10:10 pm : link
so the first 11 players in the draft have played at a near franchise tag level.

the only 4 players in top 15 to not get picked up are the qbs who flopped (mac, fields, zach, lance).

that is why in top 10 if you are going in on a QB it better be one you feel really good about.
If Jacksonville is smart...  
bw in dc : 5/2/2024 10:14 pm : link
they decline Lawrence's, too...
RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2024 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16504523 bw in dc said:
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they decline Lawrence's, too...


surprised you think so, i wouldn't. i think he's been pretty good. 9-8 both of the last 2 years. beat herbert in the playoff game.

that division got a lot better this year with houston and indy both having good years. there are teams that would line up to give up a good draft pick for lawrence.
RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
uconngiant : 5/2/2024 10:21 pm : link
In comment 16504523 bw in dc said:
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they decline Lawrence's, too...


So why is that? The team was crap his first two years and still has a lot of holes. He has talent and can make all the throws
RE: RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
bw in dc : 5/2/2024 10:38 pm : link
In comment 16504541 Eric on Li said:
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they decline Lawrence's, too...



surprised you think so, i wouldn't. i think he's been pretty good. 9-8 both of the last 2 years. beat herbert in the playoff game.

that division got a lot better this year with houston and indy both having good years. there are teams that would line up to give up a good draft pick for lawrence.


I like Lawrence and the talent is there. But I just need to see more. His 2023 campaign was pretty poor.

He was in solid 2022 after a pretty gloomy rookie campaign.

So, that's two poor years bookending a solid year. Hard to reward that...

RE: RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
bw in dc : 5/2/2024 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16504543 uconngiant said:
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they decline Lawrence's, too...



So why is that? The team was crap his first two years and still has a lot of holes. He has talent and can make all the throws


The talent is there, yes. But check out his overall performance over three years. Where is the compelling case to make a bigger investment?
Lawrence - 3yrs - ( New Window )
so that's like a 37.5% 'bust' rate with QBs  
Del Shofner : 5/2/2024 10:58 pm : link
heavily populating the sample.

You have to think about this when considering our draft this year.
RE: so that's like a 37.5% 'bust' rate with QBs  
Mike in NY : 5/3/2024 1:10 am : link
In comment 16504640 Del Shofner said:
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heavily populating the sample.

You have to think about this when considering our draft this year.


QB isn’t like other positions. When you hit the payoff can be absolutely franchise changing. Even Alex Smith level can get you far if you have the pieces elsewhere.
RE: Man all those QBs early  
Spider56 : 5/3/2024 7:18 am : link
In comment 16504276 Mark from Jersey said:
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rough draft class, at least the first round.


Yup. There’s no reason to expect this year to be much different… at least 3, maybe 4 of the 6 will bust as well.
I think  
TinVA : 5/3/2024 10:19 am : link
Mac Jones is salvageable on the right team, NE was not a fit for him.
RE: I think  
Hades07 : 5/3/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16505137 TinVA said:
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Mac Jones is salvageable on the right team, NE was not a fit for him.
Arlington Renegades maybe.
It is why you only take a QB  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/3/2024 10:44 am : link
You have a conviction on. Not the next guy on the QB list.
RE: Toney…  
ColHowPepper : 5/3/2024 10:51 am : link
In comment 16504331 knowledgetimmons said:
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One of the most physically gifted morons to ever play the game. What a shame. He could’ve been special.

Does that mean he's a FA?? Kick the tires? (:
RE: RE: RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
Eric on Li : 5/3/2024 11:13 am : link
In comment 16504586 bw in dc said:
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they decline Lawrence's, too...



surprised you think so, i wouldn't. i think he's been pretty good. 9-8 both of the last 2 years. beat herbert in the playoff game.

that division got a lot better this year with houston and indy both having good years. there are teams that would line up to give up a good draft pick for lawrence.



I like Lawrence and the talent is there. But I just need to see more. His 2023 campaign was pretty poor.

He was in solid 2022 after a pretty gloomy rookie campaign.

So, that's two poor years bookending a solid year. Hard to reward that...


his 2022 and 2023 were almost indistinguishable statistically except for a net increase of +4 turnovers. literally exact same QBRs down to the decimal. jags had same 9-8 record both years. maybe they took a slight step back with division being stronger and not sneaking up on people as much, but i dont see where there's anything poor about his 2023 if 2022 was considered solid.



he is a middle 1/3 QB, as long as he performs that way i think you hang on to him and hope you can progress him into the top 1/3. he's a very talented qb who is still only 24, so basically same age as half of the guys who went round 1 this year. unless they somehow get another first overall pick they arent finding a better prospect than him.
Najee Harris is an interesting one  
JonC : 5/3/2024 11:27 am : link
Steelers are beginning a transition, wonder if they try to retain him.

Giants liked Collins and Davis in the draft (previous regime) but worth noting.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
bw in dc : 5/3/2024 11:48 am : link
In comment 16505227 Eric on Li said:
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he is a middle 1/3 QB, as long as he performs that way i think you hang on to him and hope you can progress him into the top 1/3. he's a very talented qb who is still only 24, so basically same age as half of the guys who went round 1 this year. unless they somehow get another first overall pick they arent finding a better prospect than him.


Lawrence had 6 more INTs and 4 less TDs (recovered fumbles is so arbitrary - to me). And the Jacksonville offense didn't improve YoY.

After building a decent foundation in 2022, the expected next step just didn't happen for TL.

So, I just find it hard to reward that with the next-in-line big contract. Make him earn it in 2024 with another opportunity. If he's solid/good, then Jax has the tag option. If he breaks through with a great campaign, then have the bigger contract discussion.

What's the rush?
bw channeling his inner  
ColHowPepper : 5/3/2024 12:05 pm : link
Jones paradigm...just the way the Giants handled it? (:
RE: RE: RE: If Jacksonville is smart...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/3/2024 12:08 pm : link
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they decline Lawrence's, too...



So why is that? The team was crap his first two years and still has a lot of holes. He has talent and can make all the throws



The talent is there, yes. But check out his overall performance over three years. Where is the compelling case to make a bigger investment? Lawrence - 3yrs - ( New Window )


He's basically had a good half season (2nd half of 2022) and the rest has been average or worse.

If the Chargers coach didn't choke away that playoff game, Lawrence would be facing a lot more criticism.
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Sec 103 : 5/3/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16504275 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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For our sake, I hope the '24 QB class busts like the '21 class.

As for Kadarius, Haha.


From one who wanted one of those QBs...
Toney is a punk and another wasted NYG number 1 pick
RE: Meanwhile the 49ers have been to 3 straight NFC title games  
BlueHurricane : 5/3/2024 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16504491 sb from NYT Forum said:
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And a Super Bowl since wasting all those picks on Lance.


Build the team. You can win a shit ton of games with a solid roster and a DECENT QB. Happy the Giants seem to be realizing this.
bw you said they should decline the 5th year option  
Eric on Li : 5/3/2024 1:04 pm : link
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he is a middle 1/3 QB, as long as he performs that way i think you hang on to him and hope you can progress him into the top 1/3. he's a very talented qb who is still only 24, so basically same age as half of the guys who went round 1 this year. unless they somehow get another first overall pick they arent finding a better prospect than him.



Lawrence had 6 more INTs and 4 less TDs (recovered fumbles is so arbitrary - to me). And the Jacksonville offense didn't improve YoY.

After building a decent foundation in 2022, the expected next step just didn't happen for TL.

So, I just find it hard to reward that with the next-in-line big contract. Make him earn it in 2024 with another opportunity. If he's solid/good, then Jax has the tag option. If he breaks through with a great campaign, then have the bigger contract discussion.

What's the rush?


In comment 16504523 bw in dc said:
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If Jacksonville is smart...they decline Lawrence's, too...


nobody is saying they should give him a big extension, that is a strawman.
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