this board if,
1. Maye didn't start quickly,
2. We were still without a true #1 WR,
3. Without Barkley and Nabers (and Waller), we lacked explosive plays, and
4. We were one of the worst teams because of 1-3, and would be picking high if only we hadn't traded our draft pick.
Now it might be OK in the long run if Maye turned out to be great, but this board would be apoplectic if New England had our high draft pick next year and picked up the latest "Franchise QB" in waiting.
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I agree with this. That trade was way too much value for Maye - and I love Maye as a prospect. Robert Kraft may have saved the Giants from themselves.
It’s what they do
It’s who they are
every year. This year maybe had more than average - big deal. When we need a new QB - the Giants will do something to get in position to take one in future drafts.
In the mean time they are not over paying (draft value) to take anyone while building the rest of the roster that needs a lot of help.
Anybody else curious to see what will happen if Arch Manning (presuming his college career is successful) is at the top of his QB class and the Giants are still looking? The timing might be right although I think he is to young (19) and the Giants might be in the market for a new QB before he makes it to his senior year.
I know life usually does not work out that way but could be a nice human interest story or it also might put to much pressure on Eli's nephew - guaranteeing failure. The more I think about it .... it will never happen.
I never agree with anything either of them say but they made a great point. Giving up next years 1 would’ve been brutal. And NE not doing the trade might be the best thing for us.
And the very last thing he said, Brady will be playing for the team that didn’t get the QB he’s dying to play… Maybe next year we’ll have Belichick and Brady! Lol 🤣
That they wanted to trade up for Maye but were unwilling to take one of the other guys at 6...that should send up red flags for Giants fans. Brutal evaluation.
Drake Maye was a hot mess in 2023. What is the Giants' QB evaluation process???
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That they wanted to trade up for Maye but were unwilling to take one of the other guys at 6...that should send up red flags for Giants fans. Brutal evaluation.
Drake Maye was a hot mess in 2023. What is the Giants' QB evaluation process???
To be fair, a lot of the draft analysts all had Maye as a top 5 overall prospect. Jeremiah, Kiper, Brugler, etc. It's not like the Giants were on an island here.
You said it best, who would have thought JJ McCarthy would have been the 6th pick back during the title game? That game thread here was filled with comments why he shouldn't be.
I wanted QB and I don't disagree, but Maye was widely viewed as a better prospect than the others.
I saw a scenario where we draft a QB that I think has a low floor (just. my opinion, man) and use the very draft picks that might help them succeed, to get them.
I’ll take the draft the way it went down thank you.
This from someone who had Josh Allen as the number one prospect in his draft (yay me) but was also a big proponent of Josh Rosen (might have missed on that one). Just saying….
'hot mess' is quite the exaggeration to describe Drake Maye's 2023 season. Certainly not a strong season, but 'hot mess'?
On the one hand, had the Giants traded for Drake Maye, and given up future #1s there would have been a very good chance to of the Giants offense hitting rock bottom, with no Malik Nabers and Drake Maye on the sidelines learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. It could have made this upcoming season a perfect storm resulting in a 2025 Top 3 Draft choice already traded away to the Pats.
On the other hand, taking Malik Nabers will help the Giants win a few games thus preventing them from securing a high enough draft slot in 2025 to secure a franchise QB.
On the one hand, had the Giants traded for Drake Maye, and given up future #1s there would have been a very good chance to of the Giants offense hitting rock bottom, with no Malik Nabers and Drake Maye on the sidelines learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. It could have made this upcoming season a perfect storm resulting in a 2025 Top 3 Draft choice already traded away to the Pats.
On the other hand, taking Malik Nabers will help the Giants win a few games thus preventing them from securing a high enough draft slot in 2025 to secure a franchise QB.
But, you can't run a franchise assuming you'll get a top 5 pick. That can't solve your problems. If that's the case, why would they trade for Burns? That move doesn't align with expecting a top 5 pick.
I think this is a 7-8 win team. Schoen will have to potentially look into the free agent market, trade market or draft to land the next QB.
On the one hand, had the Giants traded for Drake Maye, and given up future #1s there would have been a very good chance to of the Giants offense hitting rock bottom, with no Malik Nabers and Drake Maye on the sidelines learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. It could have made this upcoming season a perfect storm resulting in a 2025 Top 3 Draft choice already traded away to the Pats.
On the other hand, taking Malik Nabers will help the Giants win a few games thus preventing them from securing a high enough draft slot in 2025 to secure a franchise QB.
Welcome to the treadmill, also known as QB hell.
Things would look better had they drafted Allen or Jackson in 2018 or had they drafted Herbert in 2020. You get out of QB hell by taking risks and swings on players. This is why I would have taken a QB at six. NYG isn't even trying right now. They haven't been.
Going into 2025 now we will have Nabers and either Jones, Lock or a rookie QB who will struggle all year.
The question to consider other than how McCarthy, Penix and Nix progress is how much better is Nabers than the WR we could have picked in the top 10 next year?
I expect Nabers will be a great player. I think we have just already committed to having his first two season be pretty limited.
Things would look better had they drafted Allen or Jackson in 2018 or had they drafted Herbert in 2020. You get out of QB hell by taking risks and swings on players. This is why I would have taken a QB at six. NYG isn't even trying right now. They haven't been.
Exactly.
Allen, Jackson (Even Allen Jackson) in 2018 or Herbert in 2020. All way better outcomes than Jones in 2019.
Trading up for Maya or taking JJM at 6 signals that Jones' days are finally numbered. Until then he may be here til 2026.
As many have stated, the draft never falls our way. Every year there bare more QB needly teams because the leash these QBs are given shortens. After two years teams are now making decisions to move on. I can think of at least 7 teams right now that will need a QB next year. We'll win just enough to be on the outside looking in yet again.
FA for the QB? That's gonna be expensive for anyone worth it. I'd hate to see Dak Prescott be considered.
Going into 2025 now we will have Nabers and either Jones, Lock or a rookie QB who will struggle all year.
The question to consider other than how McCarthy, Penix and Nix progress is how much better is Nabers than the WR we could have picked in the top 10 next year?
I expect Nabers will be a great player. I think we have just already committed to having his first two season be pretty limited.
I wonder how Nabers will handle that? I can see him dropping something on X that will make Mara shit a kitten.
Going into 2025 now we will have Nabers and either Jones, Lock or a rookie QB who will struggle all year.
The question to consider other than how McCarthy, Penix and Nix progress is how much better is Nabers than the WR we could have picked in the top 10 next year?
I expect Nabers will be a great player. I think we have just already committed to having his first two season be pretty limited.
If we had Maye we would have no 1st round pick in 2025 to get a WR. We probably wouldn't even had the #2 this year and more picks next year. Maye would have no weapons
'hot mess' is quite the exaggeration to describe Drake Maye's 2023 season. Certainly not a strong season, but 'hot mess'?
Maye can only dream of being as good as Malik Willis.
On the one hand, had the Giants traded for Drake Maye, and given up future #1s there would have been a very good chance to of the Giants offense hitting rock bottom, with no Malik Nabers and Drake Maye on the sidelines learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. It could have made this upcoming season a perfect storm resulting in a 2025 Top 3 Draft choice already traded away to the Pats.
On the other hand, taking Malik Nabers will help the Giants win a few games thus preventing them from securing a high enough draft slot in 2025 to secure a franchise QB.
No matter how talented Nabers is, I don't think he'll be a difference maker unless and until they get a competent QB.
That is where I stand as well. If the OL steps up as expected (also the those run blocking TEs in FA)and Jones is health with an vastly improved WR corp he'll produce points. I think we will be fine at RB in general, 3rd or 4th and short is the murky waters IMO.
If Nabers is the real deal (which means he improves the situation and by proxy all his team) he'll make Jones better who is a good QB who has been in a bad situation from top to bottom. Hyatt and Slayton will have more space for generate some YAC.
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But I can't complain with a guy who's ceiling is best WR in the entire league. I'm really glad we didn't trade the farm for Maye. It sounds like Schoen never even offered more than pick 6 and 2025 1st, which is good and shows he wasn't in full bloom love like that idiot Gettleman.
That is where I stand as well. If the OL steps up as expected (also the those run blocking TEs in FA)and Jones is health with an vastly improved WR corp he'll produce points. I think we will be fine at RB in general, 3rd or 4th and short is the murky waters IMO.
If Nabers is the real deal (which means he improves the situation and by proxy all his team) he'll make Jones better who is a good QB who has been in a bad situation from top to bottom. Hyatt and Slayton will have more space for generate some YAC.
If DJ can hit downfield throws the offense could be efficient, if he can't I'm afraid they are going to get bottled up easy with shallow zones, stunts, twists and overloads.
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On the one hand, had the Giants traded for Drake Maye, and given up future #1s there would have been a very good chance to of the Giants offense hitting rock bottom, with no Malik Nabers and Drake Maye on the sidelines learning what it takes to be an NFL QB. It could have made this upcoming season a perfect storm resulting in a 2025 Top 3 Draft choice already traded away to the Pats.
On the other hand, taking Malik Nabers will help the Giants win a few games thus preventing them from securing a high enough draft slot in 2025 to secure a franchise QB.
No matter how talented Nabers is, I don't think he'll be a difference maker unless and until they get a competent QB.
I want to replace DJ as badly as most here. But he is by definition a competent NFL quarterback. List all 32 starters and he certainly makes the top 20.
Obviously, we need a top 10 if not top five guy ideally, but needing to move on from DJ doesn’t mean he is, incompetent
How many times this year do you think the Giants would get the check in the QB row this year? It is even more important today than it was back then, and almost each week we are going into the game with the disadvantage at that critical position.
Is Jones the worst QB to ever play the game? No, of course not. Is he a factor the rest of the team has to pick up most weeks? Yes.
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But I can't complain with a guy who's ceiling is best WR in the entire league. I'm really glad we didn't trade the farm for Maye. It sounds like Schoen never even offered more than pick 6 and 2025 1st, which is good and shows he wasn't in full bloom love like that idiot Gettleman.
That is where I stand as well. If the OL steps up as expected (also the those run blocking TEs in FA)and Jones is health with an vastly improved WR corp he'll produce points. I think we will be fine at RB in general, 3rd or 4th and short is the murky waters IMO.
If Nabers is the real deal (which means he improves the situation and by proxy all his team) he'll make Jones better who is a good QB who has been in a bad situation from top to bottom. Hyatt and Slayton will have more space for generate some YAC.
If DJ can hit downfield throws the offense could be efficient, if he can't I'm afraid they are going to get bottled up easy with shallow zones, stunts, twists and overloads.
I like Slayton but he is an overachiever in my eyes or just a guy that makes the most of his chances (especially after maturing some...similar to Toomer). Being positive on Nabers if he does force double teams and rolling coverage Hyatt should feast on comeback routes and back shoulder throws. DBs have to back off him (I hope he added some muscle). If Slayton stays true to form and trends the same he will get his number for a new contract with another team as a bonafided #2.
If the OL holds up Jones will take the shots and hit them. Our OL has never shown the ability to execute med/deep and deep route blocking at a sufficient NFL level consistently.
How many times this year do you think the Giants would get the check in the QB row this year? It is even more important today than it was back then, and almost each week we are going into the game with the disadvantage at that critical position.
Is Jones the worst QB to ever play the game? No, of course not. Is he a factor the rest of the team has to pick up most weeks? Yes.
There are some pretty bad starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
There were certainly games with the conversation was Daniel Jones is the best offensive player on the team. Again, I want the guy replaced. But that does not mean that we have to say he’s a horrible quarterback.