I just want to go on record. JJ McCarthy was my guy. I wholeheartedly believe that JJ McCarthy will be a franchise quarterback in the NFL.
Having said that, I am okay with the direction of this draft. Malik Nabers is worthy of the sixth pick because he is a dominant elite wide receiver who mitigates risk of any other pick at number 6 overall.
That being said it is imperative that the New York Giants in the 2025 draft select a franchise quarterback that makes a grade worthy of a first round QB franchise pick. They must move heaven and Earth and do whatever necessary to put themselves in position to acquire a franchise quarterback in the 2025 draft. Period end of story.
The Gambit they made with this draft is that the improvements they made on this roster will be ready made to compete and be ready to select a quarterback that can succeed and at minimum give this franchise hope of a perennial contender.
I believe JJ McCarthy was a franchise quarterback worthy of this distinction. However, I understand that Malik Nabers is a good enough prospect to build the foundation and wait one more year to bring the future of the New York Giants at quarterback
In 2025.
As a fan, we root for our team, and every player on that team, to succeed to their highest potential, which is what I’m doing until January 2025 and then visit this issue.
But it's starting to get too much like a broken record.
I'm all in on whoever the Giants have (draft, sign, develop, etc) all the way through camp, I get all excited that such and such looks great and the offense is much is improve, and such and such looks great after an offseason...
Then we are out of it by the end of October.
But, I have stepped off the ledge in the last week. As a fan, I can't just assume this is Gettleman/Barkley all over again. I do think Schoen is a bright guy and I like what I've seen from Daboll. I'm choosing to be optimistic and having hope that this build works out. Replacing Barkley with Burns was a smart move by Schoen and that's what he did, reinvest in the DL.
But, for QB - I think we need to keep an eye on the veteran market. We also need to keep an eye on QBs entering 2025 as year 3. Let's say NYG finishes 8-9 and Carolina has a top 3 pick in the draft. Could they trade for Bryce Young? Could someone like Allen or Herbert become available in a trade? Who knows. Stranger things have happened. I think Schoen will be open to multiple avenues with QB.
As a fan, we root for our team, and every player on that team, to succeed to their highest potential, which is what I’m doing until January 2025 and then visit this issue.
Wrong.
Burns is also safe for awhile.
Even Thomas who has missed time...needs to stay healthy.
The Giants should always look to upgrade where ever possible.....
And as fans, we should support the team and the players that play for the team we love.
We want the Giants to win Super Bowls and among the 4, only in 86....was the Giants the best team....the other 3, they only played better at the right time.
Also throws without touch and has potential issue getting over the linebacker and under the safety because it requires touch.
He is a good prospect, not shitting on the guy, but if you put him behind a bad offensive line it might not look much different than DJ.
Not saying it would happen, but the risk is certainly there.
"That being said it is imperative that the New York Giants in the 2025 draft select a franchise quarterback that makes a grade worthy of a first round QB franchise pick. They must move heaven and Earth and do whatever necessary to put themselves in position to acquire a franchise quarterback in the 2025 draft. Period end of story."
2025 could easily be the same as 2024
If the giants win enough games to put themselves outside the top 5 in the draft (this team could be better than last year with the additions and stay healthy).
They are not going to reach for a QB that they dont think has potential to be a great QB. They might feel the same way about the QBs that they can possibly attain. Even if they let DJ go, they could be on the market for a veteran bridge QB and upgrade the roster more again.
Then your are not getting your rookie until 2026.
If the Giants weren’t convinced that JJM was that guy, I’m glad they went with Nabers. My concern is that they become a middle of the road team - good enough to vie for a WC spot, but not good enough to make a playoff run if they get there. It will make getting a new QB tough.
As a fan, we root for our team, and every player on that team, to succeed to their highest potential, which is what I’m doing until January 2025 and then visit this issue.
If Jones repeats his 2022 and throws for 3,200 yards and 15 TD’s, we should be in the market for a new QB.
As a fan, we root for our team, and every player on that team, to succeed to their highest potential, which is what I’m doing until January 2025 and then visit this issue.
Rooting for a team and having no hope or two different things and are mutually exclusive, IMO.
I agree. But if the Giants win 9 games, moving into the blue chip area of the draft will require many high draft picks. And it appears the Giants are only willing to pick a blue chip quarterback.
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...is not going to keep the Giants from taking a QB in 2025.
I agree. But if the Giants win 9 games, moving into the blue chip area of the draft will require many high draft picks. And it appears the Giants are only willing to pick a blue chip quarterback.
I was a lead voice of the draft QB club, but I can't fault Schoen for not drafting any of the three remaining if he had a late first/early second grade on them. It's like Judge firing Garrett, as soon as Schoen does that he legitimately makes his bed with two QB decisions. Easy for fans to bang that drum due to Jones fatigue.
If NYG is picking 25th (after the 2022 season), they'd be much more open to the McCarthy/Penix/Nix tier imo. Jones also wouldn't be on the roster at that point assuming he's cut in February.
I agree. But if he has the growth in 2024 that we expected in 2023, they definitely could keep him.
"That being said it is imperative that the New York Giants in the 2025 draft select a franchise quarterback that makes a grade worthy of a first round QB franchise pick. They must move heaven and Earth and do whatever necessary to put themselves in position to acquire a franchise quarterback in the 2025 draft. Period end of story."
2025 could easily be the same as 2024
If the giants win enough games to put themselves outside the top 5 in the draft (this team could be better than last year with the additions and stay healthy).
They are not going to reach for a QB that they dont think has potential to be a great QB. They might feel the same way about the QBs that they can possibly attain. Even if they let DJ go, they could be on the market for a veteran bridge QB and upgrade the roster more again.
Then your are not getting your rookie until 2026.
A big difference is... It was beyond super rare to have the top 3 teams all needing QB. It almost never happens like that. For example if NE, Wash, or Chicago ends up with the #1 pick next year they will almost assuredly be willing to trade out because they got their QB this year. In fact if Carolina didn't trade that #1 pick to Chicago they would have traded out and we could have gotten Caleb. It just happens the year we needed a QB and had a high pick the top 3 teams also needed a QB and didn't want to trade. That has never happened before and will probably never happen for a long time.
Sure, he's got to do what his process revealed. Let's see if KOC and Payton know less than him. He and Dabe's first big eval was giving Jones 160M. So I'm curious.
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I was a lead voice of the draft QB club, but I can't fault Schoen for not drafting any of the three remaining if he had a late first/early second grade on them.
Sure, he's got to do what his process revealed. Let's see if KOC and Payton know less than him. He and Dabe's first big eval was giving Jones 160M. So I'm curious.
But, was it? Now Florio is reporting Schoen & Daboll did not want to give him the contract. It was a Mara call. Lombardi too. That noise is increasing.
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I was a lead voice of the draft QB club, but I can't fault Schoen for not drafting any of the three remaining if he had a late first/early second grade on them.
Sure, he's got to do what his process revealed. Let's see if KOC and Payton know less than him. He and Dabe's first big eval was giving Jones 160M. So I'm curious.
But, was it? Now Florio is reporting Schoen & Daboll did not want to give him the contract. It was a Mara call. Lombardi too. That noise is increasing.
Mara said in his own words that he didn't want to tag DJ, wanted him to be here a long time, etc...