A few days ago he mocked the Giants for not addressing the QB position. Today I saw another clip where he said Lock very easily could beat out Jones in a "fair competition."
Regardless of your take on our QB situation, I find it interesting that Ross is openly questioning his old team so publicly.
E-hive.
Pompous clown.
I dont think they’ll make it a camp competition, but I can envision Lock playing better in camp and preseason and Jones getting yanked in week 3 or 4 for Lock. The money will make them start Jones initially, but I think he’s on a short leash. As evidenced by them trying to trade up and draft his successor.
He is a former Asst GM blamed for a large part of the problem and he was passed over for GM (rightfully so) and fired and sent to the wilderness
The Giants have been even worse being a bottom 3 team since and have defiantly stuck to the QB and left themselves without any viable alternatives
Given his play AND injury history its basically irresponsible and malpractice to not have any real alternative to him and Drew Lock is not
Whats the downside to vocally oppossing Jones at this point?
very good explanation of why ross is no longer a real scout and only plays one on tv.
him and lombardi are a TV dream team i wouldnt even trust to make waiver claims for my fantasy team.
It’s the same (to me) as Lombardi. Mostly ignored and almost outside the industry …but he knows how to push certain buttons in certain fans to get “engagement”
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
And this is supposed to speak well of him? Four terrible candidates.
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
Louis Riddick wasn’t an outside candidate?
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
Who cares? The giants have been terrible at hiring in the last decade so being in their pool of candidates is far from a badge of honor.
Marc Ross got fired 5 minutes after Gettleman was hired, how many interviews has he gotten since then?
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
Quite the list, even though rigged.
Could have done better putting an add in the NY Times.
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
And?
and probably Mekhi Becton.
ok and the next time around the search interviewed peters, poles, horitz, chose schoen who was generally considered at the top of that heap.
3 years in is everyone shitting rainbows or what?
He is a former Asst GM blamed for a large part of the problem and he was passed over for GM (rightfully so) and fired and sent to the wilderness
The Giants have been even worse being a bottom 3 team since and have defiantly stuck to the QB and left themselves without any viable alternatives
Given his play AND injury history its basically irresponsible and malpractice to not have any real alternative to him and Drew Lock is not
Whats the downside to vocally oppossing Jones at this point?
Ross is one of the main reasons the team has sucked so bad. He and Reese destroyed the talent and cap. Gettleman was no better but if there a more odious pile of shit out there I’d love to know who.
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Remember, he was one of four candidates interviewed for the GM position in December of 2017:
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
And this is supposed to speak well of him? Four terrible candidates.
Exactly. Not exactly a fearsome foursome listed there, lol!
-Dave Gettleman
-Marc Ross
-Kevin Abrams
-Louis Riddick
Gettleman was hired before the end of the season so zero outside candidates were interviewed.
The fact that they didn't cast a wider net for more qualified candidates league-wise always astounds me. But then, it was a given, they were going with someone with former Giants ties from the beginning.
1. Mara goes with what's comfortable when possible.
2. I think the league is wise to how much the family meddles. Massaging owner's ego is likely a component to every GM job to some degree, but in the Giants case I think it's enough to where it gives better candidates pause. A tough job is even tougher if the owner is making the wrong choices in important personnel matters while you get the blame if everything goes to shit in the win-loss column. I don't think Schoen is spared if the losses pile up again with Lock/Jones and fan comments are making him squirm.
You're not the only one. I agree. I don't think they had total control, but that's just because they're too lazy to put the work in. Chris Mara loves the ponies ya know!!! Gotta get to the Kentucky Derby on time after making that 5th round pick ya know who gets cut from the team two years later!
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The fact that they didn't cast a wider net for more qualified candidates league-wise always astounds me. But then, it was a given, they were going with someone with former Giants ties from the beginning.
1. Mara goes with what's comfortable when possible.
2. I think the league is wise to how much the family meddles. Massaging owner's ego is likely a component to every GM job to some degree, but in the Giants case I think it's enough to where it gives better candidates pause. A tough job is even tougher if the owner is making the wrong choices in important personnel matters while you get the blame if everything goes to shit in the win-loss column. I don't think Schoen is spared if the losses pile up again with Lock/Jones and fan comments are making him squirm.
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He is a former Asst GM blamed for a large part of the problem and he was passed over for GM (rightfully so) and fired and sent to the wilderness
The Giants have been even worse being a bottom 3 team since and have defiantly stuck to the QB and left themselves without any viable alternatives
Given his play AND injury history its basically irresponsible and malpractice to not have any real alternative to him and Drew Lock is not
Whats the downside to vocally oppossing Jones at this point?
Ross is one of the main reasons the team has sucked so bad. He and Reese destroyed the talent and cap. Gettleman was no better but if there a more odious pile of shit out there I’d love to know who.
Marc Ross is NOT one of the main reasons THIS team has sucked so badly. He was gone from here in December 2017
There is not a single player or coach that remains from his time here nor is there a single cap hit remaining from any player he had a hand in selecting
I do not say this in any defense of Marc Ross as he was deservedly fired from the Giants but as a simple statement of fact
Ross has absolutely nothing to do with the predicament the Giants are in.
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The fact that they didn't cast a wider net for more qualified candidates league-wise always astounds me. But then, it was a given, they were going with someone with former Giants ties from the beginning.
1. Mara goes with what's comfortable when possible.
2. I think the league is wise to how much the family meddles. Massaging owner's ego is likely a component to every GM job to some degree, but in the Giants case I think it's enough to where it gives better candidates pause. A tough job is even tougher if the owner is making the wrong choices in important personnel matters while you get the blame if everything goes to shit in the win-loss column. I don't think Schoen is spared if the losses pile up again with Lock/Jones and fan comments are making him squirm.
i think this is a misread.
how many people complained about the jerry reese promotion from 2007-2013?
my guess is just as many as ravens fans who complained about eric decosta getting promoted,
and steeler fans who complained about omar khan being promoted after colbert,
and chief fans who complained about reid promoting veach from within.
sticking to known quantities is still reasonably common in the nfl. it is how john mara was brought up. and it is how he saw success during the initial successful part of him being the lead guy.
the pipeline broke with the NYG when Jerry Reese made Marc Ross his number 2. Mara's first instinct was to try to get it back on track digging up EA & Gettleman instead of starting fresh. That was a mistake but an understandable one.
he went external after that, has it been better? yes but not by much in the way of results (yet).
Ross hasn't sniffed a job in the NFL since. Gettleman put his neck out there on Daniel Jones after he was drafted. Remember him saying this to Peter King right after the draft?
Well, we all know how that has gone, but the point being, Ross was going to take whatever shots he can at Gettleman because that was the man who fired him and he's only been on TV since. So this is his chance to come off the top rope and drop an elbow on Gettleman, by attacking Daniel Jones.
https://www.giants.com/news/gm-dave-gettleman-dismisses-vp-player-evaluation-marc-ross-20162285 - ( New Window )
It's over and the search in 2022 was much better. But, just pretty shocking looking back at it.
I think we also paid Accorsi as a ‘consultant’ to lead that search if memory serves me correctly? Which was obviously a sham, since it was obvious Mara just wanted to hire Gettleman due to his past ties to the organization, yet wanted it to appear that the front office did their due diligence.
You have to wonder if Accorsi regrets that decision now looking back, basically endorsed one of the worst GMs of all time.
I dont think they’ll make it a camp competition, but I can envision Lock playing better in camp and preseason and Jones getting yanked in week 3 or 4 for Lock. The money will make them start Jones initially, but I think he’s on a short leash. As evidenced by them trying to trade up and draft his successor.
I agree. I don’t know that it will be as early as week 3 or 4 but it won’t be long if Jones doesn’t get off to a good start. I think Schoen/Daboll may believe that Lock fits the offense a lot better than Jones, and will be better able to take advantage of a guy like Nabers.
I dont think they’ll make it a camp competition, but I can envision Lock playing better in camp and preseason and Jones getting yanked in week 3 or 4 for Lock. The money will make them start Jones initially, but I think he’s on a short leash. As evidenced by them trying to trade up and draft his successor.
My only reservation about Lock is that, if he had better potential, Shurmur should have been able to bring it out of him
And yes, I’m sure some of this is a former employer getting some licks in at his old team, but you get a couple of drinks in the Rosemans and Veachs of the NFL world and they’re saying/thinking the same thing.
Wanna shut these people up? Jones has to play like an elite QB worthy of the contract and win some fucking playoff games. I don’t see either happening so the jabs will continue, for at least another year.
Is there something positive that should be pointed out in the last 6 years? The Giants have the 3rd worst record in NFL in that time and have had 5 of those 6 seasons over by end of-October
Stop holding this dominant team back, Jones!
And yes, I’m sure some of this is a former employer getting some licks in at his old team, but you get a couple of drinks in the Rosemans and Veachs of the NFL world and they’re saying/thinking the same thing.
Wanna shut these people up? Jones has to play like an elite QB worthy of the contract and win some fucking playoff games. I don’t see either happening so the jabs will continue, for at least another year.
Just to add on, NFL players were openly talking about this last year as we saw vs San Francisco
"The dude did not want to throw the ball," an unnamed 49ers defender told the San Francisco Chronicle. "Early on, you could tell it wasn't gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was."
"A lot of people who make all that money don't even deserve it," he said. "I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he's not bad. And if you ain't got nothing better." - Dre Greenlaw
Devon Witherspoon
"We knew he liked to stare down his first target," Witherspoon told NFL Network after the game. "We were just trusting the game plan the coaches laid out for us. He had his back turned and a lot of guys were winning the one-on-one matchups up front. Without them, we couldn't make the plays that we made."
Witherspoon was a 5th rd rookie draft pick playing in his 3rd game ever and first on National TV in prime time
He tuned up Jones to 7 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 INT, 1 PD and a 97yd TD return
He only finished the season with 1 other sack and had no other INTS or TDs. So it’s not like he was doing this to other QBs.
Stop holding this dominant team back, Jones!
The dude is making $47M. He shouldn’t need to have the ‘85 fucking Bears lined up with him. But until he does I guess we just won’t know how good he can be!
The excuse train is so so exhausting.
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It's the '85 Bears, other than Jones.
Stop holding this dominant team back, Jones!
The dude is making $47M. He shouldn’t need to have the ‘85 fucking Bears lined up with him. But until he does I guess we just won’t know how good he can be!
The excuse train is so so exhausting.
BBS, he just needs All Pros at every position to succeed. Never mind that he was drafted sixth overall and is making $40 million. How about him upping his game?
I remember it well because even Mike Florio blasted Ross for his lack of self-awareness.
But he isn’t wrong on this one.