But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
good win, get 1 on the board. I thought they were a little too passive
But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
Spot on Costy.
Yesterday's game went about exactly as I thought it would
Carolina generally had more of the puck, but as is customary in Rangers/Canes games, I was never overly concerned that they were going to generate too many high danger chances. Rangers were the better team through 2 periods, Canes pushed in the 3rd and got a lot of help from officiating, which in my biased Ranger fan view, was HEAVILY skewed in Carolina's favor. This is despite PK's little tantrum about the DeAngelo call, while completely ignoring Rempe getting thrown into Andersen and getting called for goalie interference. The offensive zone time was significantly skewed as well, with Carolina having 10 minutes on the PP, and the Rangers having 22 seconds. I thought the Rangers had the better of the scoring chances, played extremely well defensively (Schneider is going to start being noticed more league wide the way he is playing), and the Wennberg line in particular is really punishing the Canes D. Nitpicking, the Fox/Lindgren pairing looked awful last night, hopefully Fox's knee injury isn't something that is going to limit him going forward.
It's kind of funny how a game 1 win impacted my mindset. I figured Carolina could theoretically beat the Rangers 4 of 7, but now, I can't see them beating the Rangers 4 of 6.
I love the Rangers, but never played hockey and don't follow it as closely as everyone on this thread.
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
I love the Rangers, but never played hockey and don't follow it as closely as everyone on this thread.
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
accident. He meant to bat it out of the zone, not to throw it over the glass there. Obvious penalty, so definitely not by design.
offensive zone entry needs some cleanup...lot's of sloppy/broken passes. If the controlled entry isn't there, get it deep and make the Carolina defense play facing the boards below the goal line.
And shoot the puck. The Mika play is the obvious one, but even beyond that they were passing up shots too much.
I love the Rangers, but never played hockey and don't follow it as closely as everyone on this thread.
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
accident. He meant to bat it out of the zone, not to throw it over the glass there. Obvious penalty, so definitely not by design.
Thanks, that makes sense. Glad it didn't cost them.
But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
All else aside, I am really worried for Chytil's health. That setback was scary. I really would hold him back until next season. Even then, I'd be concerned.
But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
All else aside, I am really worried for Chytil's health. That setback was scary. I really would hold him back until next season. Even then, I'd be concerned.
I'd agree with this sentiment if it seemed the team was rushing to clear him. He's been cleared for a while and this is where you trust the team doctors.
Additionally, while Rempe has actually impressed me with how he's played and handled himself during the playoffs, I really think Lavvy should sit him and play Chytil (or even Brodz). There's a couple reasons for this:
1) Rempe, while playing well, actually looked *somewhat* tentative yesterday early in the game, as if he was trying is hardest not to take a penalty. I appreciate the cautiousness to be honest, but I'm worried at some point it'll take away from his game.
2) And he ended up getting a bullshit penalty called on him ANYWAY. Fair or not, the refs have it out for him.
3) Obvious skill injection if you do play Chytil.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
Whether the you play Chytil at wing on the first line (which means Roslovic goes to the 3rd or 4th) or your 4th line turns into Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow, I think that the added depth will be huge.
Also, Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow doesn't even feel like a fourth line. That actually feels like a serviceable and solid THIRD line. Inserting Chytil means this particular NYR team would be able to truly roll 4 to a higher degree than ANY NYR team I've seen since I started truly following hockey in 2005.
But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
All else aside, I am really worried for Chytil's health. That setback was scary. I really would hold him back until next season. Even then, I'd be concerned.
I'd agree with this sentiment if it seemed the team was rushing to clear him. He's been cleared for a while and this is where you trust the team doctors.
Additionally, while Rempe has actually impressed me with how he's played and handled himself during the playoffs, I really think Lavvy should sit him and play Chytil (or even Brodz). There's a couple reasons for this:
1) Rempe, while playing well, actually looked *somewhat* tentative yesterday early in the game, as if he was trying is hardest not to take a penalty. I appreciate the cautiousness to be honest, but I'm worried at some point it'll take away from his game.
2) And he ended up getting a bullshit penalty called on him ANYWAY. Fair or not, the refs have it out for him.
3) Obvious skill injection if you do play Chytil.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
Whether the you play Chytil at wing on the first line (which means Roslovic goes to the 3rd or 4th) or your 4th line turns into Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow, I think that the added depth will be huge.
Also, Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow doesn't even feel like a fourth line. That actually feels like a serviceable and solid THIRD line. Inserting Chytil means this particular NYR team would be able to truly roll 4 to a higher degree than ANY NYR team I've seen since I started truly following hockey in 2005.
I understand everything you are saying. But, this is one situation where I am not sure I trust the team doctors 100%. And, I don't trust most players to make the right decision either. It is a really scary situation.
RE: Yesterday's game went about exactly as I thought it would
Carolina generally had more of the puck, but as is customary in Rangers/Canes games, I was never overly concerned that they were going to generate too many high danger chances. Rangers were the better team through 2 periods, Canes pushed in the 3rd and got a lot of help from officiating, which in my biased Ranger fan view, was HEAVILY skewed in Carolina's favor. This is despite PK's little tantrum about the DeAngelo call, while completely ignoring Rempe getting thrown into Andersen and getting called for goalie interference. The offensive zone time was significantly skewed as well, with Carolina having 10 minutes on the PP, and the Rangers having 22 seconds. I thought the Rangers had the better of the scoring chances, played extremely well defensively (Schneider is going to start being noticed more league wide the way he is playing), and the Wennberg line in particular is really punishing the Canes D. Nitpicking, the Fox/Lindgren pairing looked awful last night, hopefully Fox's knee injury isn't something that is going to limit him going forward.
It's kind of funny how a game 1 win impacted my mindset. I figured Carolina could theoretically beat the Rangers 4 of 7, but now, I can't see them beating the Rangers 4 of 6.
To your last point - I really felt like this first game was HUGE, a must win. I think Carolina's a better front runner than come from behind.
Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
It almost bit them yesterday. They looked worn out late in the game. Washington isn't capable of the kind of pressure that wears you down, but that's what Carolina can do. Playing Rempe less than 10 mins night in and night out will burn them at some point in this series.
You could tell Lavi coached this team to move the puck fast on the PP. The Canes PK consists of pressuring the puck, so being able to go 7/7 on the specials was huge.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
It almost bit them yesterday. They looked worn out late in the game. Washington isn't capable of the kind of pressure that wears you down, but that's what Carolina can do. Playing Rempe less than 10 mins night in and night out will burn them at some point in this series.
It's hard to imagine Laviolette changing the lineup if they keep winning. If they win tomorrow night, Rempe will stay in the lineup, but if they lose, I think they will go to Jonny the Body for game 3, and I think they see how far they can push without needing to play the Chytil wild card. Regarding the third period, I thought the Rangers let off the gas in favor of making sure forwards were back after the Necas goal where he snuck past the D for a partial breakaway. That's the one change I would make, I would have preferred for the Rangers to have a bit more of an aggressive forecheck. That said, it all comes back to Laviolette trusting the system, allowing Carolina to have puck possession but keeping everything to the outside. Just makes for a less comfortable viewing experience lol
Can someone tell me what the backstory for the Saving Sakic commercials I keep seeing? This was before my time of following hockey.
"The New York Rangers just offered Joe Sakic 15 million dollars."
"We have a HUGE problem"
Saving Sakic.
Sakic was a FA and wanted to play with Gretzky in NY. Messier had left NYR to play in VAN so NYR had a need and money.
The Rangers signed Sakic to an offer sheet and at the time the Avs were not a wealthy team or with a wealthy owner in fact IIRC they were losing money and the Rangers were sure the Av's could not match it. But they were owned by a corporation who produced films and they produced the movie Air Force One around this time. I guess sort of unexpectedly the movie crushed it at the box office and provided them the funds to match the offer sheet and keep Sakic.
The Rangers missed the playoffs for a long stretch after missing out on Sakic.
I guess that's the story, not sure of the context more than what I read in your post.
...Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
RE: RE: RE: Yesterday's game went about exactly as I thought it would
...Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
Lindgren fell asleep twice on two of the goals. I was also not thrilled in the least that Laviolette stuck Trouba and Miller out there at the end of the game when Carolina had the net empty.
...Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
I get your point, but I don't feel like special teams are a mask at all. They are part of the game, the same way the goalie is part of the game. The most common misconception about playoff hockey is that less penalties are called and 5 on 5 is more important. Pretty much every statistic out there debunks this. Just look at the first round of the playoffs. When you combine PP% and PK%, there were 8 teams that totalled over 100, and 8 teams that totalled under 100. The 8 teams that totalled over 100 won their series, the teams that were under 100 lost their series. Yes, more of the game is 5 on 5 than not, but the Rangers formula all year has been to play about even 5 on 5, get good goaltending, and dominate special teams. That is especially true against a team who throws a bunch of junk chances at you like Carolina does.
And it's not like the Rangers were bad 5 on 5 last night. Rangers/Canes were 2-2 in 5 on 5 goals. Here is the 5 on 5 report:
So, whatever way you look at it, Rangers out-analytic'ed the analytics darlings last night. Carolina's overall scoring chance numbers were skewed by them having 10 minutes of PP time to the Rangers' 23 seconds of PP time, meanwhile, the Rangers in those 23 seconds had 2 high danger scoring chances (both goals), while Carolina had 0 high danger chances on their PP time.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, in the press believed that Colorado simply couldn't match and that Sakic was a Ranger. I was so giddy. What a kick in the balls when they matched.
For those who are too young, or have forgotten....then-GM Neil Smith and the Avs then-GM, Pierre Lacroix, hated each other. Two years prior, Smith had accused the Nordiques of tampering with Sergei Zubov. When Colorado matched, the way Lacroix notified Smith was by faxing Smith the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller flipping off a reporter.
Trouba makes mistakes that are more obvious to the eye, IMO. Flinging the puck up the board, getting beat, etc.
He isn't close to Girardi, who was cooked post 2015 and just awful.
People should watch more hockey. D often flip the puck up the boards when under pressure. Why? it's where the forwards are supposed to be and almost every other option is worse when you don't have time. The turnovers when you do have time - sure criticize away, those deserve it, but those aren't this (IMO).
It is one of the first things you are taught when you play D. And also puck retrieval and breakouts are one of the hardest part of hockey (for the whole team, not just the D).
Sure you prefer something more creative, but pressure is a hard thing to deal with and the boards are considered a safe play. I get the knock that Trouba isn't creative like someone like Fox, it's just not his game and it is a legit criticism - I think of him almost like a QB where if you take away his first read he runs it or throws it away because he's not great at progressions, but if that's the main weakness I'll take it. He's about as reliable a D as there is and he consistently leads his team in blocked shots and hits - and those are things that wear an opponent down and lead to wins.
If you're Carolina, you're probably saying the same thing. Difference is, Igor > Andersen. I don't see Igor giving up more than 2 goals most games this series. In fact, he's due for a playoff shutout. In 33 playoff starts, he has 0 shutouts. That changes at some point this series.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
Agreed - Chytil is a top 6 and Rempe is a bottom 2 for 90+% of teams in the league. He plays a role but he averages 5 minutes / night, the fans love him but the fact is he is expendable...if Chytil really is ready to go it is not even a consideration with the coaching staff.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
I don't know a single Ranger fan that hates Trouba. In fact, most love him. He's a flawed player and can be criticized. Sometimes it's justified and sometimes not.
I think a big reason the Rangers are playing so well is that splitting Trouba & Miller has created 3-pairs who can match up well against anyone. Trouba is what he always has been - a well rounded (and flawed) defenseman. He skates well for his size and he is above average offensively & defensively, he is one of the best in the league when it comes to delivering momentum changing physical plays, but he also makes some really basic & concerning mental mistakes.
With all of that said, his well rounded game combined with his level of physicality makes him a big plus on this team - he combines the new school puck moving dman with the old school Scott Stevens like dman. Comparing him to a guy like Girardi is a totally unfair comparison. Girardi was worse offensively and didn't have near the mean streak that Trouba does. His physicality forces the other team to always be on the lookout - it is a game changer.
I have no problem with Rempe, but Chytil over Rempe is an easy choice.
I get the hedging about Chytil's safety -- my going-in assumption is that the team has made that the top priority as they should, and that the fact he's even being considered means that there has been a medical conclusion that it's as safe for him to play as it's ever going to be in any measurable sense.
Beyond that, if he has been as good in practice as the reports have suggested, facing live fire sooner seems logical.
The way that Rempe is being officiated these days is all the more reason to make the change.
if Chytil is ready, he should go. I was just astounded by that Rempe win-loss stat and wondered if Lavy might be reluctant to make the change until he was absolutely sure about Chytil.
If Chytil is back to where he was pre concussion, that would be the deepest Ranger team in memory for me.
if Chytil is ready, he should go. I was just astounded by that Rempe win-loss stat and wondered if Lavy might be reluctant to make the change until he was absolutely sure about Chytil.
If Chytil is back to where he was pre concussion, that would be the deepest Ranger team in memory for me.
Some coaches are superstitious like that and won't make a lineup change after a win. and who can argue, if you win (with Rempe or with Chytil - who cares - you won), so I wouldn't be surprised if Chytil gets cleared if Lavy waits it out as long as he can. And I do think Rempe has an NHL future so it's not Rempe hate but when you can add a top 6 forward to your lineup and remove a 4th liner, I don't see how it's even a question. With a healthy Chytil the team is better, it's that simple.
Wheeler is back at practice, albeit in a non-contact jersey.
If you're Carolina, you're probably saying the same thing. Difference is, Igor > Andersen. I don't see Igor giving up more than 2 goals most games this series. In fact, he's due for a playoff shutout. In 33 playoff starts, he has 0 shutouts. That changes at some point this series.
The two most important things to happen last night is that bothe Zibby and Bread scored 5 on 5 goals. That bodes well for the series. And, again like earlier this season, Laffy is a dam about to bust. He was inches from scoring two last night and made several ankle breaking moves and he hit with vigor. He's going to be a difference maker.
and soon someone will accuse me of being related to Trouba, but....
And while I do like reading stats like this, I do take them with a grain of salt for being explanatory of what you saw. For one thing the entire 5 man on-ice personnel influences expected goals against, and also the opponent you're matched up with, and lastly expected goals for and against is kind of subjective. but fair IMO as a data point to be considered.
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My only problem was inside of 3 minutes when Lavy fell back to Trouba-Miller. I don't know enough about hockey to tell you what causes that pairing to stink, but it is clearly sub-optimal. Miller is a better player with Schneider on his other side, and same goes for Trouba/Gus.
hoya, noted that too; Laviolette channeling his inner Gallant to put only vets on ice come crunch time, never mind to my eyes at least Schneider has been playing very well.
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For one thing the entire 5 man on-ice personnel influences expected goals against, and also the opponent you're matched up with...
pj, doesn't that say a lot, as in a whole lot? That is to say that with Trouba down at 3rd pair, presumably he/they are not going to be going up against opponents' top lines.
Kind of counterpoint to that: seeing Heiskanen, top pair, no?, to me he's been playing lights out.
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Does the good morning Carl mean?
It means I want Carl to have a good morning.
When Brett starts a thead and we wish each other good morning we tend to play real well. Again, another win.
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They called that bullshit on Rempe and yet allowed Carolina to have eight men on the ice.
Don’t forget the high stick on Trocheck where he was caught in the mouth right after the faceoff and he ended up with a bloody lip.
How the blind mice miss that one I’ll never know.
Gotta back that win up with a quality outing in game 2.
How did they miss that one, especially when the puck was in the general vicinity as well.
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
Rempe penalty total bullshit. This "2 mins for being bigger than everyone else" nonsense has to stop.
Dumb penalty by Kreider, but I loved that Trouba clobbered him again anyway.
Panarin was invisible most of the game, needs to shoot more, good things happen. Like GOAL!
Wennberg line was really good.
Don't change a thing lineup wise. Shoot more, be more aggresive on the puck.
WTF was Zibanajed thinking with that drop pass? I get the fake, the puck was on edge anyway, but he has to shoot there.
Passing on the first 3 goals was beautiful.
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But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
Spot on Costy.
It's kind of funny how a game 1 win impacted my mindset. I figured Carolina could theoretically beat the Rangers 4 of 7, but now, I can't see them beating the Rangers 4 of 6.
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
accident. He meant to bat it out of the zone, not to throw it over the glass there. Obvious penalty, so definitely not by design.
And shoot the puck. The Mika play is the obvious one, but even beyond that they were passing up shots too much.
Overall though, really solid G1 performance.
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I love the Rangers, but never played hockey and don't follow it as closely as everyone on this thread.
Question is why did Trocheck throw the puck over the glass? Was it a brainfart? An accident? Or was he just trying to get the puck out of there and hoping refs wouldn't notice?
accident. He meant to bat it out of the zone, not to throw it over the glass there. Obvious penalty, so definitely not by design.
Thanks, that makes sense. Glad it didn't cost them.
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But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
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But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
All else aside, I am really worried for Chytil's health. That setback was scary. I really would hold him back until next season. Even then, I'd be concerned.
Additionally, while Rempe has actually impressed me with how he's played and handled himself during the playoffs, I really think Lavvy should sit him and play Chytil (or even Brodz). There's a couple reasons for this:
1) Rempe, while playing well, actually looked *somewhat* tentative yesterday early in the game, as if he was trying is hardest not to take a penalty. I appreciate the cautiousness to be honest, but I'm worried at some point it'll take away from his game.
2) And he ended up getting a bullshit penalty called on him ANYWAY. Fair or not, the refs have it out for him.
3) Obvious skill injection if you do play Chytil.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
Whether the you play Chytil at wing on the first line (which means Roslovic goes to the 3rd or 4th) or your 4th line turns into Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow, I think that the added depth will be huge.
Also, Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow doesn't even feel like a fourth line. That actually feels like a serviceable and solid THIRD line. Inserting Chytil means this particular NYR team would be able to truly roll 4 to a higher degree than ANY NYR team I've seen since I started truly following hockey in 2005.
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But Rangers are 19-2-1 with Rempe in the lineup. Is he just a good luck charm?
Chytil is way better player but I think it will be Rempe until Rangers need another jolt. Assuming he is really healthy enough. That setback he had a few months ago was really scary.
Im all for Rempe staying in the lineup right now. Their record with Rempe is not an accident. The penalty on him yesterday was BS. The refs clearly have it out for him, but that shouldn't detract from playing him.
All else aside, I am really worried for Chytil's health. That setback was scary. I really would hold him back until next season. Even then, I'd be concerned.
I'd agree with this sentiment if it seemed the team was rushing to clear him. He's been cleared for a while and this is where you trust the team doctors.
Additionally, while Rempe has actually impressed me with how he's played and handled himself during the playoffs, I really think Lavvy should sit him and play Chytil (or even Brodz). There's a couple reasons for this:
1) Rempe, while playing well, actually looked *somewhat* tentative yesterday early in the game, as if he was trying is hardest not to take a penalty. I appreciate the cautiousness to be honest, but I'm worried at some point it'll take away from his game.
2) And he ended up getting a bullshit penalty called on him ANYWAY. Fair or not, the refs have it out for him.
3) Obvious skill injection if you do play Chytil.
4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
Whether the you play Chytil at wing on the first line (which means Roslovic goes to the 3rd or 4th) or your 4th line turns into Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow, I think that the added depth will be huge.
Also, Vesey-Wennberg-Goodrow doesn't even feel like a fourth line. That actually feels like a serviceable and solid THIRD line. Inserting Chytil means this particular NYR team would be able to truly roll 4 to a higher degree than ANY NYR team I've seen since I started truly following hockey in 2005.
It's kind of funny how a game 1 win impacted my mindset. I figured Carolina could theoretically beat the Rangers 4 of 7, but now, I can't see them beating the Rangers 4 of 6.
To your last point - I really felt like this first game was HUGE, a must win. I think Carolina's a better front runner than come from behind.
Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
It almost bit them yesterday. They looked worn out late in the game. Washington isn't capable of the kind of pressure that wears you down, but that's what Carolina can do. Playing Rempe less than 10 mins night in and night out will burn them at some point in this series.
"The New York Rangers just offered Joe Sakic 15 million dollars."
"We have a HUGE problem"
Saving Sakic.
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4) Rempe's ice time is never gonna exceed like 7 minutes tops. You end up with a short bench at the end of the games. It hasn't bit us yet but fatigue can be an issue later on.
It almost bit them yesterday. They looked worn out late in the game. Washington isn't capable of the kind of pressure that wears you down, but that's what Carolina can do. Playing Rempe less than 10 mins night in and night out will burn them at some point in this series.
It's hard to imagine Laviolette changing the lineup if they keep winning. If they win tomorrow night, Rempe will stay in the lineup, but if they lose, I think they will go to Jonny the Body for game 3, and I think they see how far they can push without needing to play the Chytil wild card. Regarding the third period, I thought the Rangers let off the gas in favor of making sure forwards were back after the Necas goal where he snuck past the D for a partial breakaway. That's the one change I would make, I would have preferred for the Rangers to have a bit more of an aggressive forecheck. That said, it all comes back to Laviolette trusting the system, allowing Carolina to have puck possession but keeping everything to the outside. Just makes for a less comfortable viewing experience lol
"The New York Rangers just offered Joe Sakic 15 million dollars."
"We have a HUGE problem"
Saving Sakic.
See this link
‘Saving Sakic’ now available, tells story of how Harrison Ford helped keep center in Denver - ( New Window )
"The New York Rangers just offered Joe Sakic 15 million dollars."
"We have a HUGE problem"
Saving Sakic.
Sakic was a FA and wanted to play with Gretzky in NY. Messier had left NYR to play in VAN so NYR had a need and money.
The Rangers signed Sakic to an offer sheet and at the time the Avs were not a wealthy team or with a wealthy owner in fact IIRC they were losing money and the Rangers were sure the Av's could not match it. But they were owned by a corporation who produced films and they produced the movie Air Force One around this time. I guess sort of unexpectedly the movie crushed it at the box office and provided them the funds to match the offer sheet and keep Sakic.
The Rangers missed the playoffs for a long stretch after missing out on Sakic.
I guess that's the story, not sure of the context more than what I read in your post.
"The New York Rangers just offered Joe Sakic 15 million dollars."
"We have a HUGE problem"
Saving Sakic.
Watch the damn documentary, it'll be explained there!
(also I need to watch too. come over, we'll have a watch party)
I think the Rangers are the better team.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
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...Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
Lindgren fell asleep twice on two of the goals. I was also not thrilled in the least that Laviolette stuck Trouba and Miller out there at the end of the game when Carolina had the net empty.
also, FWIW, Trouba had the highest game score for the D and was the highest rated or 2nd rated D I think all 4 games in round 1.
I just don't get the hate. Are people reading something anti-Trouba? Girardi fatigue? I see Trouba compared with late career Girardi sometimes.
Fans on here love Rempe, hate Trouba. lol. Go figure.
He isn't close to Girardi, who was cooked post 2015 and just awful.
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...Lindgren and Trouba both had a rough go in the third period. Both of them really struggled to get the puck out of their zone cleanly, and were responsible for much of the sustained pressure. Both of them fall back on just banging the puck around the boards even when there is a Cane just parked at the blue line, waiting for it.
Saw exactly that as well, and right after one of those, after Canes kept the puck in their offensive zone alone the near wall, Trouba was called for the x-check, somewhat legit call.
In terms of fatigue, by the end of the 2nd:
Canes had twice the offensive zone time as the Rangers--twice!! And it didn't get better in the 3rd. That's not how you want the games to go, because there's been a pattern to team getting more and more stuck in its own end and you wind up with that 3rd goal with two Canes in the crease and nary a d-man to be seen...because they've been chasing and the Fs not backchecking.
By end of 2nd, Rempe's TOI was only 90 seconds or so less than Kreider's, which was about 40% of Panarin's, if ESPN stats are to be trusted. There was a lot in that game that the STs masked.
I get your point, but I don't feel like special teams are a mask at all. They are part of the game, the same way the goalie is part of the game. The most common misconception about playoff hockey is that less penalties are called and 5 on 5 is more important. Pretty much every statistic out there debunks this. Just look at the first round of the playoffs. When you combine PP% and PK%, there were 8 teams that totalled over 100, and 8 teams that totalled under 100. The 8 teams that totalled over 100 won their series, the teams that were under 100 lost their series. Yes, more of the game is 5 on 5 than not, but the Rangers formula all year has been to play about even 5 on 5, get good goaltending, and dominate special teams. That is especially true against a team who throws a bunch of junk chances at you like Carolina does.
And it's not like the Rangers were bad 5 on 5 last night. Rangers/Canes were 2-2 in 5 on 5 goals. Here is the 5 on 5 report:
Shots: Rangers 19-14
Scoring Chances: Canes 20-12
High Danger Scoring Chances: Rangers 6-3
Expected goals: Rangers 1.74-1.29
So, whatever way you look at it, Rangers out-analytic'ed the analytics darlings last night. Carolina's overall scoring chance numbers were skewed by them having 10 minutes of PP time to the Rangers' 23 seconds of PP time, meanwhile, the Rangers in those 23 seconds had 2 high danger scoring chances (both goals), while Carolina had 0 high danger chances on their PP time.
For those who are too young, or have forgotten....then-GM Neil Smith and the Avs then-GM, Pierre Lacroix, hated each other. Two years prior, Smith had accused the Nordiques of tampering with Sergei Zubov. When Colorado matched, the way Lacroix notified Smith was by faxing Smith the famous picture of Nelson Rockefeller flipping off a reporter.
And one of theirs was a fluky tipped shot that knuckleballed up off the ice and over Shesterkin's shoulder in a weird way.
He isn't close to Girardi, who was cooked post 2015 and just awful.
People should watch more hockey. D often flip the puck up the boards when under pressure. Why? it's where the forwards are supposed to be and almost every other option is worse when you don't have time. The turnovers when you do have time - sure criticize away, those deserve it, but those aren't this (IMO).
It is one of the first things you are taught when you play D. And also puck retrieval and breakouts are one of the hardest part of hockey (for the whole team, not just the D).
Sure you prefer something more creative, but pressure is a hard thing to deal with and the boards are considered a safe play. I get the knock that Trouba isn't creative like someone like Fox, it's just not his game and it is a legit criticism - I think of him almost like a QB where if you take away his first read he runs it or throws it away because he's not great at progressions, but if that's the main weakness I'll take it. He's about as reliable a D as there is and he consistently leads his team in blocked shots and hits - and those are things that wear an opponent down and lead to wins.
Score 2 goals 0% chance to win
Score 3 goals 50%
So need to score 4
Score 2 goals 0% chance to win
Score 3 goals 50%
So need to score 4
If you're Carolina, you're probably saying the same thing. Difference is, Igor > Andersen. I don't see Igor giving up more than 2 goals most games this series. In fact, he's due for a playoff shutout. In 33 playoff starts, he has 0 shutouts. That changes at some point this series.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
Agreed - Chytil is a top 6 and Rempe is a bottom 2 for 90+% of teams in the league. He plays a role but he averages 5 minutes / night, the fans love him but the fact is he is expendable...if Chytil really is ready to go it is not even a consideration with the coaching staff.
No one is suggesting sitting Rempe for Brodzinski or a Vinny Letteri type, you'd be sitting him for Chytil.
it's a no-brainer.
the record with Rempe is not because of Rempe I hate to break it to you.
And I like Rempe, he plays my style of hockey and I do think he is being penalized unfairly, and could grow into a legit NHL contributor but he is not bringing as much as fans on here think in terms of on ice hockey play and if I'm Lavy and if Chytil is healthy and cleared to play I'm not putting Rempe in because the fans like him.
I don't know a single Ranger fan that hates Trouba. In fact, most love him. He's a flawed player and can be criticized. Sometimes it's justified and sometimes not.
I'm 100% with you on Chytil over Rempe.
With all of that said, his well rounded game combined with his level of physicality makes him a big plus on this team - he combines the new school puck moving dman with the old school Scott Stevens like dman. Comparing him to a guy like Girardi is a totally unfair comparison. Girardi was worse offensively and didn't have near the mean streak that Trouba does. His physicality forces the other team to always be on the lookout - it is a game changer.
I get the hedging about Chytil's safety -- my going-in assumption is that the team has made that the top priority as they should, and that the fact he's even being considered means that there has been a medical conclusion that it's as safe for him to play as it's ever going to be in any measurable sense.
Beyond that, if he has been as good in practice as the reports have suggested, facing live fire sooner seems logical.
The way that Rempe is being officiated these days is all the more reason to make the change.
If Chytil is back to where he was pre concussion, that would be the deepest Ranger team in memory for me.
If Chytil is back to where he was pre concussion, that would be the deepest Ranger team in memory for me.
Some coaches are superstitious like that and won't make a lineup change after a win. and who can argue, if you win (with Rempe or with Chytil - who cares - you won), so I wouldn't be surprised if Chytil gets cleared if Lavy waits it out as long as he can. And I do think Rempe has an NHL future so it's not Rempe hate but when you can add a top 6 forward to your lineup and remove a 4th liner, I don't see how it's even a question. With a healthy Chytil the team is better, it's that simple.
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Score 2 goals 0% chance to win
Score 3 goals 50%
So need to score 4
If you're Carolina, you're probably saying the same thing. Difference is, Igor > Andersen. I don't see Igor giving up more than 2 goals most games this series. In fact, he's due for a playoff shutout. In 33 playoff starts, he has 0 shutouts. That changes at some point this series.
The two most important things to happen last night is that bothe Zibby and Bread scored 5 on 5 goals. That bodes well for the series. And, again like earlier this season, Laffy is a dam about to bust. He was inches from scoring two last night and made several ankle breaking moves and he hit with vigor. He's going to be a difference maker.
And while I do like reading stats like this, I do take them with a grain of salt for being explanatory of what you saw. For one thing the entire 5 man on-ice personnel influences expected goals against, and also the opponent you're matched up with, and lastly expected goals for and against is kind of subjective. but fair IMO as a data point to be considered.
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My only problem was inside of 3 minutes when Lavy fell back to Trouba-Miller. I don't know enough about hockey to tell you what causes that pairing to stink, but it is clearly sub-optimal. Miller is a better player with Schneider on his other side, and same goes for Trouba/Gus.
pj, doesn't that say a lot, as in a whole lot? That is to say that with Trouba down at 3rd pair, presumably he/they are not going to be going up against opponents' top lines.
Kind of counterpoint to that: seeing Heiskanen, top pair, no?, to me he's been playing lights out.