Or Lock wins the job. If he gets hurt (again) that is the issue. Presuming all the reports of them trying to trade up had merit then this is a lame duck year so just riding it out is the best outcome. Doesn't mean the team as a whole can't make progress, but it isn't like they're super bowl contenders.
Daniel Jones is fully guaranteed 36M in new cash this year (salary + workout bonus), that number is fully guaranteed, and unless he's traded they must pay him that money.
That is the last fully guaranteed money left. He has two triggered guarantees left.
1) If he's on the roster on March 5th, 2025, 12M of his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed
2) If he cannot pass a physical at any time and the Giants elect to trade or cut him, 23M of his 2025 salary is guaranteed
If Daniel Jones can pass a physical at the conclusion of 2024, they can cut him with no new cash owed.
What will be our cap number for Jones if we cut him after 2024 and he passes his physical?
I presume he would be cut b4 3/5/25.
If can pass a physical and his cut before 3/5 he'll have 22.2M in bonus cap hits left to be accounted. If he's pre-June 1 cut his dead money hit will 22.2M in 2025.
If he's a June 1 cut, he'll have a dead money hit of 11.1M in each of 2025 and 2026.
What will be our cap number for Jones if we cut him after 2024 and he passes his physical?
I presume he would be cut b4 3/5/25.
If can pass a physical and his cut before 3/5 he'll have 22.2M in bonus cap hits left to be accounted. If he's pre-June 1 cut his dead money hit will 22.2M in 2025.
If he's a June 1 cut, he'll have a dead money hit of 11.1M in each of 2025 and 2026.
Thanks, christian. I think we see how the DJ chapter will end.
Daniel Jones is fully guaranteed 36M in new cash this year (salary + workout bonus), that number is fully guaranteed, and unless he's traded they must pay him that money.
That is the last fully guaranteed money left. He has two triggered guarantees left.
1) If he's on the roster on March 5th, 2025, 12M of his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed
2) If he cannot pass a physical at any time and the Giants elect to trade or cut him, 23M of his 2025 salary is guaranteed
If Daniel Jones can pass a physical at the conclusion of 2024, they can cut him with no new cash owed.
better is obviously better, but the best scenario out is that he has trade value next offseason.
for a trading team after this year he will be 28 and his contract will effectively be for a trading team 2 years, 77m.
ideally the giants will have a replacement in hand before trading, or else they wont trade him, but him playing as close to or better than what he did in 2022 is the best case scenario for the franchise. there is a false belief that him playing well stops them from looking for an upgrade but in reality the only thing that will stop them from doing that is themselves.
This is a good question because there are a lot of misconceptions about injury guarantees in contracts. Here are the facts: $23 million of Jones’ $30 million salary for 2025 was guaranteed for injury at signing. Separately, $12 million of Jones’ $30 million salary becomes fully guaranteed if he’s on the roster on the fifth day of the 2025 league year. So sometime in mid-March of 2025 will become a crucial deadline if the Giants want to move on from Jones since they’d want to cut him before that $12 million becomes guaranteed.
The injury guarantee will come into play if the Giants want to move on and Jones can’t pass a physical. It would have to be a major injury, like the torn ACL he’s currently rehabbing, to prevent him from passing a physical in March, thus triggering the injury guarantee. His $35.5 million salary for 2024 was fully guaranteed at signing, which is why there’s no chance the team will dump him this offseason and why the injury guarantee won’t enter the equation until 2025.
The 2025 injury guarantee shouldn’t be a major consideration next season unless the team has already decided it’s done with Jones. That seems unlikely, and if Jones is deemed the best option, he’ll be the starting quarterback next season despite the financial risk. The injury guarantee could become an issue later in the season if the Giants are out of contention and they plan to move on from Jones. At that point, they could bench him to protect themselves from potentially getting stuck with the $23 million charge from the injury guarantee. That’s what the Raiders did with quarterback Derek Carr at the end of last season.
Should DJ play well he will ask for a sizeable raise.
Define "play well". Schoen needs to move on even if he does. 25-30 million a year is what mid level guys should get. If some ham and egger like Jones wants more you can't Buckle. Teams panic over an over. It's one thing to re-up top guys but this shit started years ago. Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins made millions and millions. It's nuts
He plays well do they extend him and at what cost?
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Let’s hope the Giants can distinguish “plays well” vs “plays well for Daniel Jones”.
2002 was “plays well for Daniel Jones” but the Giants paid him like a top 10 QB.
He's around 12th or so highest paid.
And when you're young and hitting FA you always get paid a lot more than your "worth." It's called Unrestricted Free Agency. Then the next guy to be paid comes along and eclipses your deal. Then the next. And before you know it that highest paid ever player is now 5th. Or the 10th highest is now 13th.
That is the last fully guaranteed money left. He has two triggered guarantees left.
1) If he's on the roster on March 5th, 2025, 12M of his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed
2) If he cannot pass a physical at any time and the Giants elect to trade or cut him, 23M of his 2025 salary is guaranteed
If Daniel Jones can pass a physical at the conclusion of 2024, they can cut him with no new cash owed.
I presume he would be cut b4 3/5/25.
I presume he would be cut b4 3/5/25.
If can pass a physical and his cut before 3/5 he'll have 22.2M in bonus cap hits left to be accounted. If he's pre-June 1 cut his dead money hit will 22.2M in 2025.
If he's a June 1 cut, he'll have a dead money hit of 11.1M in each of 2025 and 2026.
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
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What will be our cap number for Jones if we cut him after 2024 and he passes his physical?
I presume he would be cut b4 3/5/25.
If can pass a physical and his cut before 3/5 he'll have 22.2M in bonus cap hits left to be accounted. If he's pre-June 1 cut his dead money hit will 22.2M in 2025.
If he's a June 1 cut, he'll have a dead money hit of 11.1M in each of 2025 and 2026.
Thanks, christian. I think we see how the DJ chapter will end.
Good Lord.....what a poorly constructed contract.
Might as well.
We've been dealing with his poor performance for a while.
You misread the thread.
That is the last fully guaranteed money left. He has two triggered guarantees left.
1) If he's on the roster on March 5th, 2025, 12M of his 2025 salary becomes guaranteed
2) If he cannot pass a physical at any time and the Giants elect to trade or cut him, 23M of his 2025 salary is guaranteed
If Daniel Jones can pass a physical at the conclusion of 2024, they can cut him with no new cash owed.
Thank you for making that clear to me.
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He plays well do they extend him and at what cost?
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Nah. He's not holding out with two years left on his deal.
And as a vet, all 30M of his salary becomes guaranteed if he is on the Week 1 game day roster.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Nah. He's not holding out with two years left on his deal.
And as a vet, all 30M of his salary becomes guaranteed if he is on the Week 1 game day roster.
How so?
Define “well”.
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If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Nah. He's not holding out with two years left on his deal.
And as a vet, all 30M of his salary becomes guaranteed if he is on the Week 1 game day roster.
How so?
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for a trading team after this year he will be 28 and his contract will effectively be for a trading team 2 years, 77m.
ideally the giants will have a replacement in hand before trading, or else they wont trade him, but him playing as close to or better than what he did in 2022 is the best case scenario for the franchise. there is a false belief that him playing well stops them from looking for an upgrade but in reality the only thing that will stop them from doing that is themselves.
And our qb problem is solved.
Which essentially means I have little hope for our current qb situation.
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He plays well do they extend him and at what cost?
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Let’s hope the Giants can distinguish “plays well” vs “plays well for Daniel Jones”.
2002 was “plays well for Daniel Jones” but the Giants paid him like a top 10 QB.
The injury guarantee will come into play if the Giants want to move on and Jones can’t pass a physical. It would have to be a major injury, like the torn ACL he’s currently rehabbing, to prevent him from passing a physical in March, thus triggering the injury guarantee. His $35.5 million salary for 2024 was fully guaranteed at signing, which is why there’s no chance the team will dump him this offseason and why the injury guarantee won’t enter the equation until 2025.
The 2025 injury guarantee shouldn’t be a major consideration next season unless the team has already decided it’s done with Jones. That seems unlikely, and if Jones is deemed the best option, he’ll be the starting quarterback next season despite the financial risk. The injury guarantee could become an issue later in the season if the Giants are out of contention and they plan to move on from Jones. At that point, they could bench him to protect themselves from potentially getting stuck with the $23 million charge from the injury guarantee. That’s what the Raiders did with quarterback Derek Carr at the end of last season.
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Define "play well". Schoen needs to move on even if he does. 25-30 million a year is what mid level guys should get. If some ham and egger like Jones wants more you can't Buckle. Teams panic over an over. It's one thing to re-up top guys but this shit started years ago. Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins made millions and millions. It's nuts
Plus he sustained not one but two more injuries
And you are already speculating on extending him???
No matter what happens this season, he still has 2 more seasons on this deal
There is no scenario or circumstance where the Giants should consider extending him this season.
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He plays well do they extend him and at what cost?
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
So you're saying he's a potential bargain who would be vastly underpaid?
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The Giants win a Super Bowl and he earns an extension.
You misread the thread.
No he didn't. The thread asked what's the best case scenario for DJ's contract.
The best case scenario is in fact DJ playing heroically well and being re-signed.
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He plays well do they extend him and at what cost?
If Jones plays well he'll most certainly want a new deal or he will hold out.
No way he plays with only 12M in guarantees.
Let’s hope the Giants can distinguish “plays well” vs “plays well for Daniel Jones”.
2002 was “plays well for Daniel Jones” but the Giants paid him like a top 10 QB.
He's around 12th or so highest paid.
And when you're young and hitting FA you always get paid a lot more than your "worth." It's called Unrestricted Free Agency. Then the next guy to be paid comes along and eclipses your deal. Then the next. And before you know it that highest paid ever player is now 5th. Or the 10th highest is now 13th.