Nabers & Daniels - $10,000 bet on rookie of the year

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is OROY...

adds to my uneasiness about Nabers.
I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him.

In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said:

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adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him.

I honestly don’t care. If the team isn’t going to ever hold Jones accountable for piss poor play maybe the players getting on his ass will open their eyes. I typically can’t stand WRs that chirp but I’m at the point with Jones that whatever it takes to wake him/them up I’m all for

In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said:

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adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him.

Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help.

In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said:

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In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help.

I know some of you don’t want to hear this but if he’s getting starved in a lackluster offense HE is very likely not the cancer…

In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said:

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In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help.

Here we go again. Ignorance is bliss.

In comment 16506687 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. Here we go again. Ignorance is bliss.

People need to listen to his predraft statement about the Giants QB. He said nothing bad about any of the QBs .

In comment 16506685 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. I know some of you don’t want to hear this but if he’s getting starved in a lackluster offense HE is very likely not the cancer…

Nope I agree especially in the beginning. But a few years of frustration can have an impact. I like the player just unsure of the pick for this team.

In comment 16506690 Blue21 said:

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In comment 16506687 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. Here we go again. Ignorance is bliss. People need to listen to his predraft statement about the Giants QB. He said nothing bad about any of the QBs .

Does this sound supportive of the current QB group? Not to me.

I don't know where I'm going. Going to New York, it wouldn't be a bad idea. The quarterback situation--I know they're going to figure it out, especially if they have a caliber receiver coming like me. They're going to want to get me the ball, so I'm sure they're going to want to have a quarterback that can do that.

In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said:

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adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him.

I'm sure everyone can deal with a bad month at work with a smile on their face.

Nabors is going to get a million balls thrown his way. The whole offense will be predicated on getting him the ball and getting him open.
This is not a Hyatt type WR. He creates separation early on what would be considered easier throws slants, curls, screens etc.

In comment 16506697 BlueManCrew said:

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In comment 16506690 Blue21 said: Quote: In comment 16506687 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. Here we go again. Ignorance is bliss. People need to listen to his predraft statement about the Giants QB. He said nothing bad about any of the QBs . Does this sound supportive of the current QB group? Not to me. I don't know where I'm going. Going to New York, it wouldn't be a bad idea. The quarterback situation--I know they're going to figure it out, especially if they have a caliber receiver coming like me. They're going to want to get me the ball, so I'm sure they're going to want to have a quarterback that can do that.

Did you hear the question? Did you watch the interview? Obviously not.

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In comment 16506677 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. I honestly don’t care. If the team isn’t going to ever hold Jones accountable for piss poor play maybe the players getting on his ass will open their eyes. I typically can’t stand WRs that chirp but I’m at the point with Jones that whatever it takes to wake him/them up I’m all for

Amen to that. I welcome a guy with both the talent and clout to call out this franchise for their passiveness at the QB position if we have another anemic passing attack.

The NFL may view this as betting on the game.
Hopefully not, regardless I like the fact that Nabers wants to be ROTY. He wants to be great, nothing wrong with that.

And Mayfield did the same thing. Granted In their case it was a chain, but who knows the value of such an item. There's nothing wrong with having some fun

In comment 16506697 BlueManCrew said:

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In comment 16506690 Blue21 said: Quote: In comment 16506687 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. Here we go again. Ignorance is bliss. People need to listen to his predraft statement about the Giants QB. He said nothing bad about any of the QBs . Does this sound supportive of the current QB group? Not to me. I don't know where I'm going. Going to New York, it wouldn't be a bad idea. The quarterback situation--I know they're going to figure it out, especially if they have a caliber receiver coming like me. They're going to want to get me the ball, so I'm sure they're going to want to have a quarterback that can do that.

Sounds to me like he could teach our owner and GM a thing or two about the importance of the quarterback position in today's NFL.

they did a decade ago. Following the 2011 season and the second Super Bowl win, the record was a disappointing nine and seven the year after. But it was in 2013 that the team hit an unexpected bottom. Eli was sacked the most times in his career thus far, with 39, and 20 more sacks than he had taken the year before. I don’t think it was a coincidence that a was the only year in his career that he threw more interceptions than touchstone passes and it wasn’t close at 19-27.

Did the Giants respond by declaring in emergency on the offensive line? Did they draft an offensive lineman in round one? No, they went for getting Eli a number one receiver in Beckham. And Beckham‘s first three seasons were very good. But a wide-out is totally dependent on the offensive line and the quarterback to be good enough, so that good passes may be thrown to him.
A receiver can’t do much of anything unless he gets a catchable ball thrown to him. Otherwise he is just a mere bystander.

Nevertheless, the Giants with a franchise quarterback for a number one receiver In the next two seasons went 6–10. In Beckham’s third season, they made the playoffs, but were one and out.

Coming off a season with a ridiculous 85 sacks, which is an average of five per game, this team should have drafted an offensive lineman first. Signing a very promising free agent is not the end of building a good offensive line. The
chance of Neal turning around next season is slim.

For corroboration, just look at the Cowboys and the Eagles. They both put mammoth amount of resources into their offensive lines, and were rewarded by a strong offense. The Giants are trying to take a short cut.

I suspect and fear that if Nabers doesn’t get the rock, he will let his displeasure known.

In comment 16506737 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I suspect and fear that if Nabers doesn’t get the rock, he will let his displeasure known.

I hope and pray if so, it's what the organization needs to hear.

In comment 16506685 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. I know some of you don’t want to hear this but if he’s getting starved in a lackluster offense HE is very likely not the cancer…

Preach.

In comment 16506736 Reese's Pieces said:

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they did a decade ago. Following the 2011 season and the second Super Bowl win, the record was a disappointing nine and seven the year after. But it was in 2013 that the team hit an unexpected bottom. Eli was sacked the most times in his career thus far, with 39, and 20 more sacks than he had taken the year before. I don’t think it was a coincidence that a was the only year in his career that he threw more interceptions than touchstone passes and it wasn’t close at 19-27. Did the Giants respond by declaring in emergency on the offensive line? Did they draft an offensive lineman in round one? No, they went for getting Eli a number one receiver in Beckham. And Beckham‘s first three seasons were very good. But a wide-out is totally dependent on the offensive line and the quarterback to be good enough, so that good passes may be thrown to him. A receiver can’t do much of anything unless he gets a catchable ball thrown to him. Otherwise he is just a mere bystander. Nevertheless, the Giants with a franchise quarterback for a number one receiver In the next two seasons went 6–10. In Beckham’s third season, they made the playoffs, but were one and out. Coming off a season with a ridiculous 85 sacks, which is an average of five per game, this team should have drafted an offensive lineman first. Signing a very promising free agent is not the end of building a good offensive line. The chance of Neal turning around next season is slim. For corroboration, just look at the Cowboys and the Eagles. They both put mammoth amount of resources into their offensive lines, and were rewarded by a strong offense. The Giants are trying to take a short cut.

Stop stop stop!!! The Giants have invested in the offensive line in both draft capital and free agency spending. It is not even close to the situation when they drafted obj. Facts are a pesky thing. You will see that the Giants never put the amount of resources in draft picks and free agency to address the offensive line when they drafted obj.

Since Joe schoen has been GM
2022 offensive line additions

Jamil Douglas (free agency
Feliciano (free agency)
Glowinski (free agency)
Evan Neal (1st round)
Josh Ezeudu (3rd round)
Mckethan (5th round)

2023 offensive line additions
John Michael Schmitz (2nd round)

2024 offensive line additions

Jermaine Eluemunor (free agency)
Jon Runyan (free agency)
Aaron Stinnie (free agency)
Matt Nelson (free agency)
Jimmy Morrissey (free agency)
Austin Schlottmann (free agency)

By my count, the giants have added 13 offensive linemen in 3 years and invested 3 in the top 70 picks. They spent money in free agency on Eluemunor, Runyan, Feliciano and Glowinski.

In comment 16506728 upnyg said:

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The NFL may view this as betting on the game. Hopefully not, regardless I like the fact that Nabers wants to be ROTY. He wants to be great, nothing wrong with that.

This IS betting on the game. Another red flag for Nabers.

If Nabers was white, no one would have an issue with this. He'd just be seen as confident and striving to be the best. Can we just be honest? "Character concerns" means you don't trust black people. My nephew who is half black gets this all the time and he's about as good a person as I know.

On my promise from a week ago and put a whole $5 on Nabers to win it through Draftkings

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In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said:

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In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help.

I would have liked to see DJ's instant reaction to his post draft presser and when he accidentally called him "Janiel Dones".

In comment 16507125 Blue Dog said:

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In comment 16506684 BlueManCrew said: Quote: In comment 16506670 KeoweeFan said: Quote: adds to my uneasiness about Nabers. I would not bet against him being an unhappy camper if things don't go right for him. Same… if he gets target starved in a lacklustre offense I worry about him becoming a cancer. His pre draft comments about the Giants QB situation didn’t help. I would have liked to see DJ's instant reaction to his post draft presser and when he accidentally called him "Janiel Dones".

He wishes he had Jayden Daniels here obviously haha

... oh nooooo he threw it behind him..."

In the line. It hit a new low last season. It’s an indictment of how bad were the people who chose the talent and coached it. Invest until you get it right.

Thomas is the only fixture on the line, and he now has an injury history. The odds are against Neal after showing nothing in two seasons.) The center will hopefully show improvement in his second season. They need him to stick and they’ll go a long way with him.

Also, ever since Parcells and his “lunch-pail” line, I’ve been a big believer in the value of a line playing together as much as possible. In the 2007 season all five line starters played in all 16 games. Last season the line got its experience playing together when the real games started. How did that work out?

People talk about him as if he had no impact on winning, but those 2014-2016 teams probably have a lot less wins without him.

Keep in mind:

-2014 was a total rebuilding year as all the SB players were cleared out and the line was being rebuilt. OBJ didn't even play until the 5th game of the season either.

-The Giants had a top-5 offense in 2015, led mostly by OBJ. The problem was the defense was almost historically bad. Even then, the pythagorian record of the team was 8-8, but terrible late-game management cost them against the Cowboys and Patriots and arguably a few other games.

-In 2016 the team went 11-5 and OBJ carried the offensive side of the ball as Eli started showing real signs of decline.

In comment 16506782 TrueBlue56 said:

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In comment 16506736 Reese's Pieces said: Quote: they did a decade ago. Following the 2011 season and the second Super Bowl win, the record was a disappointing nine and seven the year after. But it was in 2013 that the team hit an unexpected bottom. Eli was sacked the most times in his career thus far, with 39, and 20 more sacks than he had taken the year before. I don’t think it was a coincidence that a was the only year in his career that he threw more interceptions than touchstone passes and it wasn’t close at 19-27. Did the Giants respond by declaring in emergency on the offensive line? Did they draft an offensive lineman in round one? No, they went for getting Eli a number one receiver in Beckham. And Beckham‘s first three seasons were very good. But a wide-out is totally dependent on the offensive line and the quarterback to be good enough, so that good passes may be thrown to him. A receiver can’t do much of anything unless he gets a catchable ball thrown to him. Otherwise he is just a mere bystander. Nevertheless, the Giants with a franchise quarterback for a number one receiver In the next two seasons went 6–10. In Beckham’s third season, they made the playoffs, but were one and out. Coming off a season with a ridiculous 85 sacks, which is an average of five per game, this team should have drafted an offensive lineman first. Signing a very promising free agent is not the end of building a good offensive line. The chance of Neal turning around next season is slim. For corroboration, just look at the Cowboys and the Eagles. They both put mammoth amount of resources into their offensive lines, and were rewarded by a strong offense. The Giants are trying to take a short cut. Stop stop stop!!! The Giants have invested in the offensive line in both draft capital and free agency spending. It is not even close to the situation when they drafted obj. Facts are a pesky thing. You will see that the Giants never put the amount of resources in draft picks and free agency to address the offensive line when they drafted obj. Since Joe schoen has been GM 2022 offensive line additions Jamil Douglas (free agency Feliciano (free agency) Glowinski (free agency) Evan Neal (1st round) Josh Ezeudu (3rd round) Mckethan (5th round) 2023 offensive line additions John Michael Schmitz (2nd round) 2024 offensive line additions Jermaine Eluemunor (free agency) Jon Runyan (free agency) Aaron Stinnie (free agency) Matt Nelson (free agency) Jimmy Morrissey (free agency) Austin Schlottmann (free agency) By my count, the giants have added 13 offensive linemen in 3 years and invested 3 in the top 70 picks. They spent money in free agency on Eluemunor, Runyan, Feliciano and Glowinski.

Yet the offensive line still stinks. Just because we've swung and missed for years doesn't make it okay to ignore the problem. Without an o-line, we will continue to be the NFC Jets. A joke.

In comment 16507239 Reese's Pieces said:

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In the line. It hit a new low last season. It’s an indictment of how bad were the people who chose the talent and coached it. Invest until you get it right.

They did invest in the offensive line again this offseason. They brought in 5 offensive linemen in free agency. 2 of them are slated to be the starting guards. The other 3 have some starting experience and will provide competition for depth.

The draft is not the only way to invest in the offensive line.

The giants currently have 14 offensive linemen. 6 of them are 25 and younger. 8 are between 26-30 years old. 5 were drafted. 12 of them have started to varying levels.

In comment 16507264 Swizzle said:

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In comment 16506782 TrueBlue56 said: Quote: In comment 16506736 Reese's Pieces said: Quote: they did a decade ago. Following the 2011 season and the second Super Bowl win, the record was a disappointing nine and seven the year after. But it was in 2013 that the team hit an unexpected bottom. Eli was sacked the most times in his career thus far, with 39, and 20 more sacks than he had taken the year before. I don’t think it was a coincidence that a was the only year in his career that he threw more interceptions than touchstone passes and it wasn’t close at 19-27. Did the Giants respond by declaring in emergency on the offensive line? Did they draft an offensive lineman in round one? No, they went for getting Eli a number one receiver in Beckham. And Beckham‘s first three seasons were very good. But a wide-out is totally dependent on the offensive line and the quarterback to be good enough, so that good passes may be thrown to him. A receiver can’t do much of anything unless he gets a catchable ball thrown to him. Otherwise he is just a mere bystander. Nevertheless, the Giants with a franchise quarterback for a number one receiver In the next two seasons went 6–10. In Beckham’s third season, they made the playoffs, but were one and out. Coming off a season with a ridiculous 85 sacks, which is an average of five per game, this team should have drafted an offensive lineman first. Signing a very promising free agent is not the end of building a good offensive line. The chance of Neal turning around next season is slim. For corroboration, just look at the Cowboys and the Eagles. They both put mammoth amount of resources into their offensive lines, and were rewarded by a strong offense. The Giants are trying to take a short cut. Stop stop stop!!! The Giants have invested in the offensive line in both draft capital and free agency spending. It is not even close to the situation when they drafted obj. Facts are a pesky thing. You will see that the Giants never put the amount of resources in draft picks and free agency to address the offensive line when they drafted obj. Since Joe schoen has been GM 2022 offensive line additions Jamil Douglas (free agency Feliciano (free agency) Glowinski (free agency) Evan Neal (1st round) Josh Ezeudu (3rd round) Mckethan (5th round) 2023 offensive line additions John Michael Schmitz (2nd round) 2024 offensive line additions Jermaine Eluemunor (free agency) Jon Runyan (free agency) Aaron Stinnie (free agency) Matt Nelson (free agency) Jimmy Morrissey (free agency) Austin Schlottmann (free agency) By my count, the giants have added 13 offensive linemen in 3 years and invested 3 in the top 70 picks. They spent money in free agency on Eluemunor, Runyan, Feliciano and Glowinski. Yet the offensive line still stinks. Just because we've swung and missed for years doesn't make it okay to ignore the problem. Without an o-line, we will continue to be the NFC Jets. A joke.

You just replied to a post outlining all of the resources poured into the OL, including this off season and your take away is that they’ve ignored the problem? WTF is wrong with you?

Yes, they ignored the problem in the draft this year. Doofus.

Just because they've poured resources into the problem doesn't mean it's still not a problem.

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Yes, they ignored the problem in the draft this year. Doofus. Just because they've poured resources into the problem doesn't mean it's still not a problem.

Doofus? What are you, 12?

They had a plan to address the OL and that was bringing in vets that have had success in the league. They’ve also addressed the OL high in the draft numerous times. Is it fixed? Who knows. They haven’t played a damn game yet. But using even MORE draft resources on the same damn positions doesn’t guarantee it’s not still a problem either. The fact that you want OL but only on your terms, which is spending top 10 picks on them every single season is YOUR problem. There are other ways to address the issue whether you like it or not. Doofus.

I never SAID to draft an OL in the first ROUND. If you had READ instead of getting all RILED up, you would have saw that. Bottom line is, our line stinks. A best this year, they're average. One injury puts us back in the bottom of the barrel for the league. But that's just my OPINION so don't take it to heart.

it makes no difference how you’ve tried to address it in the past. The Giants have brought in many free agents with little success. No success. The LT and the C were high draft choices.

It’s always been doctrine that you get the blockers before you get the skill players. Offensive lineman is often good for a decade, well a skills player starts to decline in half that time. There was one season where Beckham played only four games with the Giants, and in the seventh, eighth, and ninth season of his career he played under 10 games in all three.