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NFT: Mets @ Rays: Gm 3 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Pepiot (R)⚾– 1:40 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 12:55 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the game in St. Petersburg today against the Rays & in St. Louis tomorrow against the Cardinals.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be televised on SNY and so will tomorrow’s.
-The weather for today's game at Tropicana Field won't be an issue since it's domed.
-The Mets are trying to avoid getting swept today before heading to St. Louis tomorrow for another three-game set with the Cardinals. They only have two off-days this month, with their next one being four days from today. After that, they’re going to play 13 games in a row, with 7 of those games against the Braves and Phillies.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions thus far for May.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today's game will consist of Nido (R), Martinez (R), Taylor (R), & Wendle (L).
Check out the Minor League thread for May below:  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 12:56 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm



*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 1:32 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Rays | 1:40 pm EDT start - May 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed - SNY: Gary & Ron (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Rays | 1:40 pm EDT start - May 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Rays' feed - Bally Sports Sun (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Rays - May 5, 2024 - 1:40 pm EDT start


Note: Keith won't be doing the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊

Yesterday's Christian Scott pitching line:  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 1:35 pm : link
early no doubter from lindor up 2-0  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 2:03 pm : link
was out in 30/30 parks. need to hang on and stay at .500.

schedule doesn't get any easier with St lou, atlanta, philly coming up. thankfully marlins after that.
Need more  
Mike in NY : 5/5/2024 2:32 pm : link
Can’t have bases loaded and no outs with 3-4-5 due up and get runs on walks
Pete needs  
JayBinQueens : 5/5/2024 3:05 pm : link
To start hitting.

For the Mets, and his wallet's, sake
Raise your hand if you DIDNT thing that Pete was going  
CooperDash : 5/5/2024 3:05 pm : link
to completely shit the bed right there. Good luck on your next team, Pete. Buh bye.
Is Alonso just another Kingman?  
Gmanfandan : 5/5/2024 3:27 pm : link
And if yes, could that be OK?
Marte is the man.  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 4:26 pm : link
Absolute weapon defensively in the outfield! SRF is doing a heckuva job too outta the pen.
This year is just gonna suck  
CooperDash : 5/5/2024 4:46 pm : link
The good news is…as a Mets fan…I’m used to it.
At what point do the Mets actually give a shit about limiting  
CooperDash : 5/5/2024 5:07 pm : link
stolen bases? This team just continues to not do the little things that translate to wins. Rinse, repeat.
If Alonso doesn't get it going  
moespree : 5/5/2024 5:07 pm : link
I do think Stearns will recommend to Cohen to trade him at the deadline. Whether or not that happens is a different story. But I already had some doubt heading into the season that Stearns wanted to keep him long-term anyway. He does not fit the type of player mold Stearns had traditionally built his rosters with.

 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/5/2024 5:10 pm : link
Game on at bar. Why did 44 dive for that?
RE: …  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16507020 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Game on at bar. Why did 44 dive for that?


I have no idea. Maybe he had money on the game or wanted to go home?
Mets are the "get right" team other clubs wanna play...  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 5:13 pm : link
im glad bader dove and just ended the misery  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 5:25 pm : link
they weren't winning that game. letting it drop was the right call but he lets it drop it's man on 2nd none out.

that series was a real nut shot. the big bats need to start delivering.

Alonso 0-5, 0 hard hit balls, down to .206.

i know DJ drove in a run but he was 0-3 and down to .186 hitting 5th.

mcneil 0 for 4 with 3 k's. he may be cooked.

the 🔥 is for hard hit balls - Lindor had more than the rest of the lineup combined.



i know a certain player in AAA who specializes in hard hit balls. he happened to hit this homer to right center today.

Is it too early to sell?  
Section331 : 5/5/2024 5:30 pm : link
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RE: Is it too early to sell?  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16507037 Section331 said:
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what are they selling? most of the team is free agents to be. how much do you think you're getting for alonso when he's hitting .205?
I’m so over the bullshit with Vientos. If there were larger character  
CooperDash : 5/5/2024 5:41 pm : link
issues or some other BS going on…I guarantee would have heard SOMETHING about it. But nothing. Nada.

I’ve never see anything like the dysfunction around Vientos. Your pro ballclub sucks balls. And their ceiling isn’t that high to begin with. And you continue to put your hottest AAA prospect in the corner. I mean, when they finally did call him up (begrudgingly, I’m sure), all he did was hit .429 with a walk off homer.

I would trade Pete and put Vientos at first base right now. Otherwise, just trade the fucking guy. I can’t continue to watch the bullshit decisions around Vientos.
RE: I’m so over the bullshit with Vientos. If there were larger character  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16507045 CooperDash said:
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issues or some other BS going on…I guarantee would have heard SOMETHING about it. But nothing. Nada.

I’ve never see anything like the dysfunction around Vientos. Your pro ballclub sucks balls. And their ceiling isn’t that high to begin with. And you continue to put your hottest AAA prospect in the corner. I mean, when they finally did call him up (begrudgingly, I’m sure), all he did was hit .429 with a walk off homer.

I would trade Pete and put Vientos at first base right now. Otherwise, just trade the fucking guy. I can’t continue to watch the bullshit decisions around Vientos.


after they called him up they went to great lengths to praise how he carried himself despite the disappointment of not making the team.
I know there are some people that say  
CooperDash : 5/5/2024 5:49 pm : link
“Hey, Stearns (and whoever else) are in these positions for a reason. They know more than we do. So there has to be SOME logical reason and I blindly trust their decisions.”

I think that’s all bullshit. The proof is in the pudding. These FO guys are all ego and think their decisions are the best (no matter how horrible the decisions are). And yet - we suck every single year. Across multiple FOs. But sure - you can choose to believe some mythical reason (that likely doesn’t exist) that Vientos continues to not get a shot even though the pro club stinks and he continues to crush AAA. Makes a ton of sense /s

Sorry…rant over.
RE: I know there are some people that say  
Optimus-NY : 5/5/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16507050 CooperDash said:
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“Hey, Stearns (and whoever else) are in these positions for a reason. They know more than we do. So there has to be SOME logical reason and I blindly trust their decisions.”

I think that’s all bullshit. The proof is in the pudding. These FO guys are all ego and think their decisions are the best (no matter how horrible the decisions are). And yet - we suck every single year. Across multiple FOs. But sure - you can choose to believe some mythical reason (that likely doesn’t exist) that Vientos continues to not get a shot even though the pro club stinks and he continues to crush AAA. Makes a ton of sense /s

Sorry…rant over.


I'm with you mean. These FO folks aren't anything special. It IS about ego with them. This franchise is still a mess. So frustrating. How the heck did Zack Short EVER spend a single minute with the big league club, especially with JD Martinez not with the big club to start the season? SMFH.
I agree about Vientos.  
BigBlueNH : 5/5/2024 6:09 pm : link
But since they signed JDM, the only way to get him enough ABs would be to move Pete, right? I'm ok with that, but as long as Pete is here and Baty is hitting, where would his ABs come from?
Diaz  
GF1080 : 5/5/2024 6:23 pm : link
So can we be concerned about Diaz yet? Something definitely wrong there.
i think stearns only signed JDM bc the price became too good to pass  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 9:57 pm : link
but once he hurt his back, and now that he's come up and isn't so far playing like he's going to the ASG like last year, i think there needs to be a re-evaluation.
here's what id evaluate  
Eric on Li : 5/5/2024 10:03 pm : link
are there 4 or 5 starts a week for vientos? i think the answer is yes:

once or twice a week at 3b for baty,
once or twice a week for JDM at DH.
once a week at 1b for pete,

whoever hits stays in the lineup most often at DH.

probably sends down stewart, but if this is an evaluation year i think that's just an obvious move. mcneil/wendle can be 5th/6th OF. if someone in the OF gets hurt he comes back up.
RE: RE: Is it too early to sell?  
Section331 : 5/5/2024 11:16 pm : link
In comment 16507040 Eric on Li said:
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what are they selling? most of the team is free agents to be. how much do you think you're getting for alonso when he's hitting .205?


I was joking, but maybe JDM brings back a lottery ticket. And there are bullpen pieces that may draw interest.
RE: here's what id evaluate  
Optimus-NY : 5/6/2024 7:41 am : link
In comment 16507192 Eric on Li said:
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are there 4 or 5 starts a week for vientos? i think the answer is yes:

once or twice a week at 3b for baty,
once or twice a week for JDM at DH.
once a week at 1b for pete,

whoever hits stays in the lineup most often at DH.

probably sends down stewart, but if this is an evaluation year i think that's just an obvious move. mcneil/wendle can be 5th/6th OF. if someone in the OF gets hurt he comes back up.


+1
Vientos  
Mike in NY : 5/6/2024 7:56 am : link
Considering he can’t hit good fastballs against major league righties and chases way too much that is why he has not gotten a longer look. Mashes lefties but other than that looks like a AAAA player (basically Stewart but from the other side)
RE: Vientos  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2024 10:04 am : link
In comment 16507263 Mike in NY said:
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Considering he can’t hit good fastballs against major league righties and chases way too much that is why he has not gotten a longer look. Mashes lefties but other than that looks like a AAAA player (basically Stewart but from the other side)


for everything he cant do there are stats that look good too - regardless of L/R split he had the best batting on the team last year against high velocity. he had the hardest hit balls all year of cole and bautista (on a 100mph+ pitch). 7 of his 11 big league homers are off righties.

we have no idea what he can/cant do at the mlb level because he has never gotten a chance. actually we know 1 thing, he can consistently hit the ball harder than anyone else on the team including alonso.

Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2024 10:37 am : link
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wow didn't realize pete's numbers were so bad under the hood  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2024 11:01 am : link
he has never been a particularly high avg exit velo guy, but 85.9mph is terrible for him. this may be artifact of this 30 at bat slump he is in, im not sure what the numbers were before this began, but there's obviously a lot more sample with batted balls than simply saying "it's only 131 at bats".

he has 101 batted balls in this data and all of last year he had 421. so this is basically at the 25% mark of the season.

if the season ended today like this he wouldnt get more than a 1 year deal from anyone.

More ammo  
pjcas18 : 5/6/2024 2:15 pm : link
to not sign him long-term.

Let him be someone else's albatross and hopefully get a player back at the deadline or draft pick compensation for some team signing him after the season.
Up until recently I have driven the line on Alonso  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/6/2024 2:27 pm : link
at a Freddie Freeman type contract. Now I'm not sure you even want to approach that. I think he ages poorly. Maybe not Chris Davis poorly (I'll always believe he was juiced and stopped as soon as he got the $), but poorly enough to get buyers remorse fairly quickly.
RE: Up until recently I have driven the line on Alonso  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2024 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16507619 Rob in Rockaway said:
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at a Freddie Freeman type contract. Now I'm not sure you even want to approach that. I think he ages poorly. Maybe not Chris Davis poorly (I'll always believe he was juiced and stopped as soon as he got the $), but poorly enough to get buyers remorse fairly quickly.


basically how i've viewed him. the contact quality is so bad right now im actually more inclined to believe that this is just a flukey extended cold streak, 86 mph EV is not just low for him but well below major league average. but it is certainly a blinking red warning light.

up until last year his swing decisions had been trending better and better. he was swinging at pitches in the zone more often, and making contact in the zone more often, even as he was seeing fewer balls pitched in the zone.

last year he made a big improvement on swinging out of the zone less too.

this year all his swing decisions look fine so it's mostly a contact quality issue, but he is swinging less even though he's seeing the highest number of pitches in the zone he's seen in any year of his career. pitchers are challenging him and he is either being too passive or making weak contact.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2024 2:36 pm : link
claim Yohan Ramirez (welcome back) and DFA Max Kranick
Bowden trade idea  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2024 4:08 pm : link
1. Mets trade 1B Pete Alonso to Mariners for RHP Emerson Hancock and 1B Ty France

Alonso will be a free agent after this season and there is no indication the Mets are going to extend him long term before he reaches free agency. Therefore, if they aren’t in the wild-card race come late July, they should trade Alonso and try to re-sign him in the offseason. He loves New York and loves being a Met, so they’d have a legitimate chance to sign him in the winter. In the meantime, by parting with Alonso before the trade deadline, they could get back a promising young pitcher in Hancock, the sixth overall player taken in the 2020 draft, who debuted last year and this year has logged a 4.75 ERA over six starts. Hancock, 24, has given up two runs or fewer in each of his past four starts. France, who will turn 30 this season, also comes back in the deal to New York. He could play first base for the Mets the rest of this season, and with his experience at third, second and DH, gives them a multi-position player and a potential offseason trade chip (particularly if they re-sign Alonso). To me, his swing and approach say he should be much better than his production — .250/.337/.336 slash line and a 99 OPS+ last year and a 97 OPS+ this year — so maybe a change of scenery would help him. France is under team control through next season.

The Mariners, on the other side of this deal, would fill their biggest need, landing a big middle-of-the-order power bat to give them a much better chance of winning the AL West and even running the table in October. Seattle could replace Hancock in the rotation with Bryan Woo and still have the best five-man rotation in baseball. Woo, who logged 4.21 ERA over 18 starts last year as a rookie, is on the injured list but reportedly nearing a return.
that return seems pretty mid  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2024 4:15 pm : link
i dont expect much for alonso but im pretty sure id just take the QO return since i think france is a FA after this year and presumably we'd play vientos at 1b every day any way? other than having been a high pick Hancock presently seems like a Peterson/Butto type we already have enough of.

Thomas Nestico
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Emerson Hancock had an effective start, holding Arizona to 1 ER, 2 H, and 2 BB in 6.0 IP with 4 K

He had a heavy fastball approach today, which helped him generate plenty of chases. His arsenal grades out around average, but without a stronger 4-Seam, Hancock may struggle
Can he hold  
JayBinQueens : 5/6/2024 4:21 pm : link
men on base?
RE: that return seems pretty mid  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16507752 Eric on Li said:
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i dont expect much for alonso but im pretty sure id just take the QO return since i think france is a FA after this year and presumably we'd play vientos at 1b every day any way? other than having been a high pick Hancock presently seems like a Peterson/Butto type we already have enough of.

Thomas Nestico
@TJStats
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Apr 26
Emerson Hancock had an effective start, holding Arizona to 1 ER, 2 H, and 2 BB in 6.0 IP with 4 K

He had a heavy fastball approach today, which helped him generate plenty of chases. His arsenal grades out around average, but without a stronger 4-Seam, Hancock may struggle


France is a FA after next season but I agree with you overall. I'm not high on Hancock at all. Call me when they offer Woo.
what's funny is im not sure the trade is better or worse w/ 1 more yr  
Eric on Li : 5/6/2024 6:14 pm : link
of france. he's 30 next year, making 6.8m this year, next year who knows bc it's an arb year but if he doesnt hit well you probably non-tender him any way and put the money towards a better player in FA.
RE: what's funny is im not sure the trade is better or worse w/ 1 more yr  
Metnut : 5/6/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16507843 Eric on Li said:
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of france. he's 30 next year, making 6.8m this year, next year who knows bc it's an arb year but if he doesnt hit well you probably non-tender him any way and put the money towards a better player in FA.


Give me a couple of lower minors lottery tickets over one of Ty France's arb years.
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