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Sanders could be first pick in the 2025 draft

jeff57 : 5/6/2024 10:34 am
According to Jason La Canfora:

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But the same general managers and evaluators who told me months ago that the 2024 class would feature six first-round quarterbacks were in agreement that Sanders would have stood up comparatively well against Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye et al., and those evaluators are projecting Sanders will go much higher next year than mock drafts are predicting.

“He was QB1 for me if he came out this year,” said a longtime NFL evaluator whose scouting reports about the 2024 class proved salient. (He spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the proprietary nature of scouting observations.) “You have to manage him a little differently, and Deion is going to be heavily involved … so you have to be prepared to deal with that bulls---. . . .

This kid can really play. He’s got good accuracy. He can let it rip. He’s not a sprinter, but he’s more than athletic enough. He’s got some charisma to him, he has strong leadership traits, he’s more than tough enough. . . .

And a top talent evaluator for a team that did select a quarterback in 2024 said of Sanders: “I really like him, man. I really do. He can play. He was right up there in the top three [quarterbacks] for me. I would have been stacking him right there with Daniels or Maye. Definitely would have had him before [Michael] Penix, [J.J.] McCarthy or [Bo] Nix. If this kid comes out, he’s going in the top five or six picks. He could be the first pick of this draft.”



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RE: Everyone shitting on Deion  
BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 2:37 pm : link
In comment 16507628 penkap75 said:
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.


He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.
Shedeur is a good prospect  
Greg from LI : 5/6/2024 2:44 pm : link
From a purely football standpoint, I like him. Tough as nails, good enough arm, smart player.

However, I wouldn't want any part of Deion second-guessing my coaching staff, chirping in the media, being a distraction. People mention LaVar Ball - I think Deion would be worse, because Ball is just a clown. Deion is a Hall of Fame player and a major college coach.
RE: RE: Everyone shitting on Deion  
GFAN52 : 5/6/2024 2:57 pm : link
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.


He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.


He’s refuted that report.:

Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.

"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."
Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
JT039 : 5/6/2024 3:50 pm : link
He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
bw in dc  
BigBlueCane : 5/6/2024 3:50 pm : link
Sanders made his OL look worse by holding the ball and trying to play hero ball. Pretty much all of the players who left Colorado hated him and his father.


He's not even remotely close to being QB1.
RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Darwinian : 5/6/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16507717 JT039 said:
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.


What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
RE: RE: So then wait and move to another thread, mocking everyone  
KDavies : 5/6/2024 4:12 pm : link
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and insinuating racism is a really poor way to explain your stance.

And fans can be concerned about character all they want, they aren’t picking the player. Saying there are no concerns are just your opinion, just like theirs.





I'm not insinuating anything. You are insinuating.

There is a wide gulf between what I say or think and accusing people of racism. I don't pretend to know what is in people's heads or hearts. People can act with bias without being fundamentally racist.

The New York Giants were the last team in the NFL to start a black man at quarterback. This is New York, not Dallas or Alabama. To this date, after 100 years in existence, they have not drafted a black man who plays quarterback. The NY Giants have been around for 100 years. Say what you will about it, but it's not a great record. They thought it was ok to draft bright lights like Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb, and somehow by some weird coincidence, never a black man. Yes Kyle Lauletta was just too good to pass up, I know. These facts don't indicate that the organization has been some color-blind bastion of diversity. Now, do I think Mara is a cross burning, hood-wearing, KKK monster? No, of course not. I think he will correct this historical error as soon as he can. I bet he is embarrassed by it as much as an owner, as I am as a fan of the team. And if Shadeur Sanders is the best QB in 2025, and if the Giants luck into the top pick, I think he will make Shadeur Sanders the Giants first black franchise QB. If Sanders is that good. Regardless of what watch he wears or how much "noise" his father makes.


This is the most comically laughable shit I've ever seen. Are you seriously this dumb? Giants had a GM while they won two championships. Reese was their GM for 11 years and with the organization for 23 years. Their current assistant GM? Take a look at him. Take a look at pictures of the players on their roster. But because they chose Daniel Jones over Haskins (how is his career going?) the Giants have some kind of racism problem? Go fuck yourself.
RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 4:18 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.

Ones race has nothing to do with football

Perhaps you should take your own advice

By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
KDavies : 5/6/2024 4:21 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.


Ones race has nothing to do with football

Perhaps you should take your own advice

By the way…Andre Woodson says hello


Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 4:25 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.


Ones race has nothing to do with football

Perhaps you should take your own advice

By the way…Andre Woodson says hello



Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?


So the African American GM we had for 11 years had an issue with drafting black QB’s? 😂😂😂

Be careful….you’ll be accused of stalking and be reported 🤪🤪🤪

Guess the drafting of Andre Woodson was a figment of my imagination
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/6/2024 4:26 pm : link
1) I liked him this year, but need to see a repeat or improvement to take him high.

2) That said, early on, I can see him going in the top 5.

3) Where is this narrative that Mara would block it come from? If he is the best QB available when we pick, I 100% would want him taken.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Darwinian : 5/6/2024 4:26 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.


Ones race has nothing to do with football

Perhaps you should take your own advice

By the way…Andre Woodson says hello



Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?


Eagles - Hurts
Cowboys - Dak
Commanders - Daniels
Giants - Daniel Jones (graded on a curve)
As for race  
Matt M. : 5/6/2024 4:28 pm : link
The Giants have now had more than a few Black QBs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 4:29 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.


Ones race has nothing to do with football

Perhaps you should take your own advice

By the way…Andre Woodson says hello



Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?



Eagles - Hurts
Cowboys - Dak
Commanders - Daniels
Giants - Daniel Jones (graded on a curve)



So…..total weak ass attempt to try and prove your bogus point

Tell me again how the Giants never drafted a black QB
RE: bw in dc  
BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16507719 BigBlueCane said:
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Sanders made his OL look worse by holding the ball and trying to play hero ball. Pretty much all of the players who left Colorado hated him and his father.


He's not even remotely close to being QB1.


I watched nearly every CU game and I don't think he was the problem with the o line.
RE: RE: RE: Everyone shitting on Deion  
BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 4:37 pm : link
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.


He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.



He’s refuted that report.:

Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.

"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."


Thank you, I was wondering about that. I think Shedeur could be very good and I look forward to seeing his progression this year.
RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
JT039 : 5/6/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16507736 Darwinian said:
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.


You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol
RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Darwinian : 5/6/2024 4:57 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol


For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 5:01 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.


Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Darwinian : 5/6/2024 5:05 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks


I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
He still hasn’t answered  
JT039 : 5/6/2024 5:07 pm : link
Your question.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 5:07 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks



I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance



No I get it

You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich

Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys why are you arguing with Darwin?  
Darwinian : 5/6/2024 5:41 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks



I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance




No I get it

You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich

Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?


You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.

So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.
I would have a lot of hesitation with his father's antics  
Bramton1 : 5/6/2024 5:42 pm : link
For example, the whole "I will only allow them to play for one of six teams: Falcons, Commanders, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys, and 49ers." The five teams he played for, plus Philly.

The only one that could be in the market for a QB is Dallas, and that's probably still unlikely.
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Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 5:43 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks



I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance




No I get it

You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich

Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?



You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.

So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.


Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
Sanders took a beating and tough to imagine he can get  
ThomasG : 5/6/2024 5:47 pm : link
through another year if that continues.

Way too many variables to play out before even making reasonable guesses as to how the QB prospects will get ranked pre-draft.

Could Sanders be the first pick in 2025? I guess, but unlikely unless Colorado plays out of their minds as several QBs on the 12 playoff teams (likely) will get plenty of media and scouting attention next season under the new format.

As to morons derailing this thread above, it's not really a race issue with the Giants. They simply don't draft ANY quarterbacks any longer.
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Mbavaro : 5/6/2024 5:48 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks



I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance




No I get it

You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich

Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?



You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.

So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.


Was the African American GM that they had for 11 years part of their racist hiring practices?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2024 6:24 pm : link
As somewhat as an aside, it is going sideways fast for Deion in Boulder.
oh its gonna go faster  
BigBlueCane : 5/6/2024 7:00 pm : link
Hiring Sapp is a sign of that.

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BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 7:10 pm : link
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As somewhat as an aside, it is going sideways fast for Deion in Boulder.


Sure, he lost some players, but he got a ton of big time recruits and some transfers too. I wouldn't say it's going sideways fast.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2024 7:22 pm : link
You might be right, but that ship is taking on a lot of water. That 3-0 start might as well been in 2003. I have no idea what Deion is doing on Twitter or what the hell he's thinking. It's entertaining AF, but I don't think he's building something sustainable long term even in the transfer portal era.

I don't know if he's there in a couple of years.
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IchabodGiant : 5/6/2024 7:26 pm : link
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.

Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.



What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.



You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.

And do you really tattle on people? Lol



For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.



Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football

Good to know for future reference

Thanks



I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.

And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance




No I get it

You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich

Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?



You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.

So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.


Producer to a “t”
RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone shitting on Deion  
GFAN52 : 5/6/2024 7:29 pm : link
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.


He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.



He’s refuted that report.:

Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.

"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."



Thank you, I was wondering about that. I think Shedeur could be very good and I look forward to seeing his progression this year.


You're welcome. I'll say this again, if he's the consensus #1 QB like Caleb Williams appeared to be this year, and the Giants are in position to draft him, they will despite any imagined influence from his father.
RE: bw in dc  
bw in dc : 5/6/2024 7:31 pm : link
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Sanders made his OL look worse by holding the ball and trying to play hero ball. Pretty much all of the players who left Colorado hated him and his father.


He's not even remotely close to being QB1.


You Miami guys kill me. If Deion went to Miami, would you feel similarly? ;)

There were times when it looked like Shadeur was trying to make a bigger play. But they were significantly more times when it was a jailbreak and he had to try to make chicken salad. Just look at the PPF rankings. The CO OL was 67th in the nation in pass blocking. Think about that...
RE: BleedBlue46.  
BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 7:59 pm : link
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You might be right, but that ship is taking on a lot of water. That 3-0 start might as well been in 2003. I have no idea what Deion is doing on Twitter or what the hell he's thinking. It's entertaining AF, but I don't think he's building something sustainable long term even in the transfer portal era.

I don't know if he's there in a couple of years.


If he isn't there I'd bet he goes to a bigger program. He brings in a lot of talent, it's honestly incredible how much he had revitalized the Buffs' program in the past year.
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BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 8:00 pm : link
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Sanders made his OL look worse by holding the ball and trying to play hero ball. Pretty much all of the players who left Colorado hated him and his father.


He's not even remotely close to being QB1.



You Miami guys kill me. If Deion went to Miami, would you feel similarly? ;)

There were times when it looked like Shadeur was trying to make a bigger play. But they were significantly more times when it was a jailbreak and he had to try to make chicken salad. Just look at the PPF rankings. The CO OL was 67th in the nation in pass blocking. Think about that...


Speaking of the 'Canes, I'm excited to see Cam Ward there.
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bw in dc : 5/6/2024 8:13 pm : link
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Speaking of the 'Canes, I'm excited to see Cam Ward there.


Soffer must have offered an NIL deal he couldn't refuse because Cristobal is not a very good football coach for QBs. Ward should have played for Day at Ohio State. Day is a terrific offensive coach and Chip Kelly is now the OC.
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BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 8:19 pm : link
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Speaking of the 'Canes, I'm excited to see Cam Ward there.



Soffer must have offered an NIL deal he couldn't refuse because Cristobal is not a very good football coach for QBs. Ward should have played for Day at Ohio State. Day is a terrific offensive coach and Chip Kelly is now the OC.


Yeah, Cristobal is a terrible coach in general. Ward should have definitely gone to Ohio st. Howard will be interesting to follow there, he wasn't even on my radar until Sy mentioned him.
RE: I watched parts of a lot of Colorado games...  
BigBlueBuff : 5/6/2024 10:25 pm : link
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last year to get a better sense on Sanders. He is one tough kid. He played behind the worst OL in the country last year and took an absolute beating. That's how he fractured his back.

The OL should have been arrested for assault that's how bad they were.

Sanders has a good arm - not great - and his movement is average. I don't think he is a great athlete and won't be a dual threat like a Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels. He'll be a pocket posser who can buy time if needed.

So, it's going to be interesting watching him play this year and how he improves.

The best pro prosect on that team is Travis Hunter, the corner/WR.

BTW, Deion's bluster brings out the best in the other teams. Teams were fired up to play Colorado and the games got very physical. The cheap shot Hunter took in the Colorado State game was vicious. And I think it was because of Deion...
Finally someone talks about the actual football. I’ve been saying it as often as possible: Shedeur is good, not great and is not going at the top of the draft because the talent isn’t there. Nothing to do with race or Deion.

And before someone quotes some draft website, two that I checked this morning still had Cam Ward and DJ Uiagalelei at their former schools.
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BigBlueBuff : 5/6/2024 10:31 pm : link
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You might be right, but that ship is taking on a lot of water. That 3-0 start might as well been in 2003. I have no idea what Deion is doing on Twitter or what the hell he's thinking. It's entertaining AF, but I don't think he's building something sustainable long term even in the transfer portal era.

I don't know if he's there in a couple of years.



If he isn't there I'd bet he goes to a bigger program. He brings in a lot of talent, it's honestly incredible how much he had revitalized the Buffs' program in the past year.

Did you watch a different CU team than the one in Boulder? His HS recruiting is terrible, most of his incoming transfers weren’t good, and he’s been bleeding players. I don’t see how you could make any claim that the program is on stable ground after one season.
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BleedBlue46 : 5/6/2024 10:45 pm : link
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You might be right, but that ship is taking on a lot of water. That 3-0 start might as well been in 2003. I have no idea what Deion is doing on Twitter or what the hell he's thinking. It's entertaining AF, but I don't think he's building something sustainable long term even in the transfer portal era.

I don't know if he's there in a couple of years.



If he isn't there I'd bet he goes to a bigger program. He brings in a lot of talent, it's honestly incredible how much he had revitalized the Buffs' program in the past year.


Did you watch a different CU team than the one in Boulder? His HS recruiting is terrible, most of his incoming transfers weren’t good, and he’s been bleeding players. I don’t see how you could make any claim that the program is on stable ground after one season.


They were in the gutter and he got several big recruits this year, they never got any good recruits before. It's a night and day difference.
I know this may sound out there  
JT039 : 5/6/2024 11:04 pm : link
But do you think Deion actually coaches? Seems more like a recruiter and a mouthpiece.
NIL money got those recruits  
BigBlueCane : 5/7/2024 4:14 am : link
not Deion. Deion is known to be a shit recruiter.
I dont think the Giants or Mara or racist  
Modog : 5/7/2024 8:34 am : link
But I will say they have a type, Sanders is not that.
The funny thing about this thread  
81_Great_Dane : 5/7/2024 11:03 am : link
is that despite the many, many posts above insisting that the Giants wouldn't be interested in Sanders, there were reports the Giants were interested in him until he announced he wasn't entering the draft.

I haven't seen him play so I don't have an opinion on him as a QB. Does he seem like a talent that Daboll can develop?
Sanders  
gary_from_chester : 5/7/2024 11:29 am : link
Very talented. Gamer, tough as nails. Think he’ll be picked somewhere in the top 10.

Deion as a distraction is overrated. He has his own career and legacy, he won’t live through his son’s.

I think Shadeur is in the mix for NYG next year.
RE: I know this may sound out there  
Metnut : 5/7/2024 12:39 pm : link
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But do you think Deion actually coaches? Seems more like a recruiter and a mouthpiece.


He didn't take a single visit to a high school recruit. He said he was too busy. Meanwhile, he was taking shots at players who transferred out of CU on social media.

He's already feeling the pressure having lost 7 in a row to finish last year after talking such a big game. My guess is he'll be out of coaching once his son is in the NFL.
RE: I know this may sound out there  
FStubbs : 5/16/2024 1:20 pm : link
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But do you think Deion actually coaches? Seems more like a recruiter and a mouthpiece.


Plenty of guys are able to do this in college ball. Urban Meyer probably knows less about football than half the people in this thread, and he did well in college.
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LauderdaleMatty : 5/16/2024 3:49 pm : link
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As somewhat as an aside, it is going sideways fast for Deion in Boulder.



Sure, he lost some players, but he got a ton of big time recruits and some transfers too. I wouldn't say it's going sideways fast.


That hasn't worked well in Basketball which is a ton easier to integrate a group of new players. Think it's not a solid model for football at all
RE: Everyone shitting on Deion  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/16/2024 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16507628 penkap75 said:
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Zero issue w him other than I think it's fools gold to think brining in 30-40 new guys a year is going to work.
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