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But the same general managers and evaluators who told me months ago that the 2024 class would feature six first-round quarterbacks were in agreement that Sanders would have stood up comparatively well against Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye et al., and those evaluators are projecting Sanders will go much higher next year than mock drafts are predicting. “He was QB1 for me if he came out this year,” said a longtime NFL evaluator whose scouting reports about the 2024 class proved salient. (He spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the proprietary nature of scouting observations.) “You have to manage him a little differently, and Deion is going to be heavily involved … so you have to be prepared to deal with that bulls---. . . . This kid can really play. He’s got good accuracy. He can let it rip. He’s not a sprinter, but he’s more than athletic enough. He’s got some charisma to him, he has strong leadership traits, he’s more than tough enough. . . . And a top talent evaluator for a team that did select a quarterback in 2024 said of Sanders: “I really like him, man. I really do. He can play. He was right up there in the top three [quarterbacks] for me. I would have been stacking him right there with Daniels or Maye. Definitely would have had him before [Michael] Penix, [J.J.] McCarthy or [Bo] Nix. If this kid comes out, he’s going in the top five or six picks. He could be the first pick of this draft.” |
Carson Beck is still my QB1 with Conner Weigman being my dark horse.
Whole thing was petty.
Whole thing was petty.
Hard pass from me on Sanders.
... is he more of a Tag Heuer guy?
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Involving Deion and Shedeur shitting on a transfer that talked shit about them.
Whole thing was petty.
Hard pass from me on Sanders.
As far as boy scouts, there's no one really like a Drake Maye as far as someone completely clean. Quinn Ewers has had immaturity problems in the past. Carson Beck (my QB1) bought an expensive Maserati/Lamborghini with his NIL money, which, and I don't know why, rubbed people the wrong way. I guess maybe they think his heart isn't into football like it should be? IDK. But the kid is a talented PP with sneaky athleticism.
You want to know what I think?
There is nothing to say about him, yet. That's my point. Let's see how he does. He's still a work in progress. But we already have people saying they don't want him for NON-FOOTBALL reasons.
If he's a great quarterback prospect heading into the 2025 draft, on a par with Caleb Williams, or even Jayden Daniels, then hell fucking yea I want him. But I don't have a crystal ball and can't see the future. Though he shows promise, for sure.
I'm not into eliminating great players for non-football reasons. Everybody and his mother, on twitter and BBI, thought Caleb Williams was a sure bust. You know who doesn't think Caleb Williams is a bust? 98% of knowledgeable analysts who pounded the tape. They think he is far and away the best player in this past draft with a high chance to succeed in the NFL. And there aren't many players like that. And if Shadeur emerges as that kind of prospect it is dumb to pass on him for bullshit. That's my point. You don't get to choose if the best players also live up to the owner's fantasy of what his daughter's prom date looks like and acts like.
Draft talent. Don't put an additional condition that they require an appearance and personality that makes the owner ga ga.
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why don’t you make the case for him since you have a problem with everything said about him. You are adding nothing to the convo so far.
You want to know what I think?
There is nothing to say about him, yet. That's my point. Let's see how he does. He's still a work in progress. But we already have people saying they don't want him for NON-FOOTBALL reasons.
If he's a great quarterback prospect heading into the 2025 draft, on a par with Caleb Williams, or even Jayden Daniels, then hell fucking yea I want him. But I don't have a crystal ball and can't see the future. Though he shows promise, for sure.
I'm not into eliminating great players for non-football reasons. Everybody and his mother, on twitter and BBI, thought Caleb Williams was a sure bust. You know who doesn't think Caleb Williams is a bust? 98% of knowledgeable analysts who pounded the tape. They think he is far and away the best player in this past draft with a high chance to succeed in the NFL. And there aren't many players like that. And if Shadeur emerges as that kind of prospect it is dumb to pass on him for bullshit. That's my point. You don't get to choose if the best players also live up to the owner's fantasy of what his daughter's prom date looks like and acts like.
Draft talent. Don't put an additional condition that they require an appearance and personality that makes the owner ga ga.
To be clear, I don't see any red flags personally, but I'm just a fan and my opinion doesn't matter. Mara's opinion matters though.
And fans can be concerned about character all they want, they aren’t picking the player. Saying there are no concerns are just your opinion, just like theirs.
And fans can be concerned about character all they want, they aren’t picking the player. Saying there are no concerns are just your opinion, just like theirs.
I'm not insinuating anything. You are insinuating.
There is a wide gulf between what I say or think and accusing people of racism. I don't pretend to know what is in people's heads or hearts. People can act with bias without being fundamentally racist.
The New York Giants were the last team in the NFL to start a black man at quarterback. This is New York, not Dallas or Alabama. To this date, after 100 years in existence, they have not drafted a black man who plays quarterback. The NY Giants have been around for 100 years. Say what you will about it, but it's not a great record. They thought it was ok to draft bright lights like Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb, and somehow by some weird coincidence, never a black man. Yes Kyle Lauletta was just too good to pass up, I know. These facts don't indicate that the organization has been some color-blind bastion of diversity. Now, do I think Mara is a cross burning, hood-wearing, KKK monster? No, of course not. I think he will correct this historical error as soon as he can. I bet he is embarrassed by it as much as an owner, as I am as a fan of the team. And if Shadeur Sanders is the best QB in 2025, and if the Giants luck into the top pick, I think he will make Shadeur Sanders the Giants first black franchise QB. If Sanders is that good. Regardless of what watch he wears or how much "noise" his father makes.
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and insinuating racism is a really poor way to explain your stance.
And fans can be concerned about character all they want, they aren’t picking the player. Saying there are no concerns are just your opinion, just like theirs.
I'm not insinuating anything. You are insinuating.
There is a wide gulf between what I say or think and accusing people of racism. I don't pretend to know what is in people's heads or hearts. People can act with bias without being fundamentally racist.
The New York Giants were the last team in the NFL to start a black man at quarterback. This is New York, not Dallas or Alabama. To this date, after 100 years in existence, they have not drafted a black man who plays quarterback. The NY Giants have been around for 100 years. Say what you will about it, but it's not a great record. They thought it was ok to draft bright lights like Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb, and somehow by some weird coincidence, never a black man. Yes Kyle Lauletta was just too good to pass up, I know. These facts don't indicate that the organization has been some color-blind bastion of diversity. Now, do I think Mara is a cross burning, hood-wearing, KKK monster? No, of course not. I think he will correct this historical error as soon as he can. I bet he is embarrassed by it as much as an owner, as I am as a fan of the team. And if Shadeur Sanders is the best QB in 2025, and if the Giants luck into the top pick, I think he will make Shadeur Sanders the Giants first black franchise QB. If Sanders is that good. Regardless of what watch he wears or how much "noise" his father makes.
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because he painted his nails?
Top shelf football analysis going on here.
You are saying a whole lot of nothing but taking shots at people in the process. Come out and plainly say what you want to say if you are going to accuse people of something.
I'm just paraphrasing what people are saying on this thread. Shadeur Sanders is too "noisey" for the Giants.
And exactly what does that mean ?
Why would ownerships head explode as you have stated?
Why are people insisting on this very thread that the Giants and Mara wouldn't choose to draft Shadeur Sanders?
Still not answering the question….are you?
YOU made a statement that the ownerships head wouid explode…back it up as to why instead of deflecting to other people
I think you are under the mistaken impression that you are Perry Mason, and this is a court room. I don't have to "back up" my opinion on a fan forum. I can say this slower and in simpler words if what I just said is too complicated for you. Continue to badger me, without provocation, and I'll just assume you are a troll who is running afoul of site rules.
Smells of yellow.
Carson Beck is still my QB1 with Conner Weigman being my dark horse.
Beck? Interesting. I think he has a lot of work to do before he's even in that discussion.
Of course, I really like Jalen Milroe. And he has a ton of work to do. But, JFC, he is a monster when he runs. Some serous Josh Allen vibes the way he takes on defenders and doles out punishment.
He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.
However, I wouldn't want any part of Deion second-guessing my coaching staff, chirping in the media, being a distraction. People mention LaVar Ball - I think Deion would be worse, because Ball is just a clown. Deion is a Hall of Fame player and a major college coach.
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.
He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.
He’s refuted that report.:
Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.
"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
He's not even remotely close to being QB1.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
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and insinuating racism is a really poor way to explain your stance.
And fans can be concerned about character all they want, they aren’t picking the player. Saying there are no concerns are just your opinion, just like theirs.
I'm not insinuating anything. You are insinuating.
There is a wide gulf between what I say or think and accusing people of racism. I don't pretend to know what is in people's heads or hearts. People can act with bias without being fundamentally racist.
The New York Giants were the last team in the NFL to start a black man at quarterback. This is New York, not Dallas or Alabama. To this date, after 100 years in existence, they have not drafted a black man who plays quarterback. The NY Giants have been around for 100 years. Say what you will about it, but it's not a great record. They thought it was ok to draft bright lights like Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb, and somehow by some weird coincidence, never a black man. Yes Kyle Lauletta was just too good to pass up, I know. These facts don't indicate that the organization has been some color-blind bastion of diversity. Now, do I think Mara is a cross burning, hood-wearing, KKK monster? No, of course not. I think he will correct this historical error as soon as he can. I bet he is embarrassed by it as much as an owner, as I am as a fan of the team. And if Shadeur Sanders is the best QB in 2025, and if the Giants luck into the top pick, I think he will make Shadeur Sanders the Giants first black franchise QB. If Sanders is that good. Regardless of what watch he wears or how much "noise" his father makes.
This is the most comically laughable shit I've ever seen. Are you seriously this dumb? Giants had a GM while they won two championships. Reese was their GM for 11 years and with the organization for 23 years. Their current assistant GM? Take a look at him. Take a look at pictures of the players on their roster. But because they chose Daniel Jones over Haskins (how is his career going?) the Giants have some kind of racism problem? Go fuck yourself.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
Ones race has nothing to do with football
Perhaps you should take your own advice
By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
Ones race has nothing to do with football
Perhaps you should take your own advice
By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
Ones race has nothing to do with football
Perhaps you should take your own advice
By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?
So the African American GM we had for 11 years had an issue with drafting black QB’s? 😂😂😂
Be careful….you’ll be accused of stalking and be reported 🤪🤪🤪
Guess the drafting of Andre Woodson was a figment of my imagination
2) That said, early on, I can see him going in the top 5.
3) Where is this narrative that Mara would block it come from? If he is the best QB available when we pick, I 100% would want him taken.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
Ones race has nothing to do with football
Perhaps you should take your own advice
By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?
Eagles - Hurts
Cowboys - Dak
Commanders - Daniels
Giants - Daniel Jones (graded on a curve)
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
Ones race has nothing to do with football
Perhaps you should take your own advice
By the way…Andre Woodson says hello
Exactly. He says stick to football or he's telling. But let's talk about how racist the Giants even though they have a black assistant GM and tons of black players on their team, and who do you think you are, the sheriff?
Eagles - Hurts
Cowboys - Dak
Commanders - Daniels
Giants - Daniel Jones (graded on a curve)
So…..total weak ass attempt to try and prove your bogus point
Tell me again how the Giants never drafted a black QB
He's not even remotely close to being QB1.
I watched nearly every CU game and I don't think he was the problem with the o line.
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.
He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.
He’s refuted that report.:
Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.
"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."
Thank you, I was wondering about that. I think Shedeur could be very good and I look forward to seeing his progression this year.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
No I get it
You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
No I get it
You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.
So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.
The only one that could be in the market for a QB is Dallas, and that's probably still unlikely.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
No I get it
You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.
So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
Way too many variables to play out before even making reasonable guesses as to how the QB prospects will get ranked pre-draft.
Could Sanders be the first pick in 2025? I guess, but unlikely unless Colorado plays out of their minds as several QBs on the 12 playoff teams (likely) will get plenty of media and scouting attention next season under the new format.
As to morons derailing this thread above, it's not really a race issue with the Giants. They simply don't draft ANY quarterbacks any longer.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
No I get it
You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.
So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.
Was the African American GM that they had for 11 years part of their racist hiring practices?
Sure, he lost some players, but he got a ton of big time recruits and some transfers too. I wouldn't say it's going sideways fast.
I don't know if he's there in a couple of years.
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He’s manhattan, jinkies, and producer rolled up into one.
Implying the giants are racist, Caleb Williams obsession, and making up shit no one said. All there to see.
What are you talking about? Are you a self-appointed sheriff? Nobody deputized you. Stick to the discussion and talk football. And stop pretending you know who people *really* are and you have some authority to police the neighborhood. Your comments just amount to trolling. Continued trolling of me will result in a report to the admins.
You going to risk outing yourself? You have been here in month and talk about posts from the fall. Everyone knows who you are.
And do you really tattle on people? Lol
For the love of god, are you here to talk football? Or to insert yourself in disputes between posters.
Didn’t realize that playing the race card has anything to do with football
Good to know for future reference
Thanks
I apologize to you. You are clearly upset by plain observations. We have a QB we have given 4 chances to, who outlived two regimes, and maybe a third. I didn't see Geno Smith get so many opportunities to fail. And he's a better QB than Jones.
And if you actually read my post, I said I don't think Mara is a racist. But I get it, you can't do nuance
No I get it
You’re the type of guy who would inject race into a discussion about a ham sandwich
Who was Andre Woodson drafted by?
You're being completely disingenuous. I wouldn't inject race into a conversation about a ham sandwich. Whereas the NYGiants as part of the NFL definitely participated in racist hiring practices for many decades. This is admitted by the NFL as they have instituted policies to diversify front offices around the league.
So your flip assertion that an NFL team is no more open to questionable policies than a ham sandwich is rhetorical theater.
Producer to a “t”
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But I see having an Ex-NFL, current College head coach father as positive. Its not like his father is some guy on the couch who thinks he knows football.
He said he only wants his son playing for a list of 6 teams in the NFL and NYG isn't on the list, pretty ridiculous and I like him as a coach of the Buffs. He has quickly turned that program around.
He’s refuted that report.:
Deion Sanders has set the record straight on the teams he wants Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter to play for, two players who are expected to be high NFL Draft picks in 2025. Sanders shot down comments that he would only allow his son, Shedeur, and Hunter to play for six NFL teams in a recent interview with CBS News Colorado.
"One thing about a lie? A lie is so fast it can outrun the truth any day," Sanders said. "That's a bald-faced lie. That's a stupid lie. I have more than six owners that are friends. I have more than six GMs that are friends. You've got to understand, I played 14 (pro seasons). And I worked another 17, I believe, in the NFL, NFL Network and CBS. I know a lot of people, c'mon."
Thank you, I was wondering about that. I think Shedeur could be very good and I look forward to seeing his progression this year.
You're welcome. I'll say this again, if he's the consensus #1 QB like Caleb Williams appeared to be this year, and the Giants are in position to draft him, they will despite any imagined influence from his father.