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DC Gmen Fan : 5/6/2024 5:09 pm
Looking to purchase my first shotgun. I've narrowed it down to Mossberg 590s or Remington 870.

Primary purpose would be home defense. Secondary shooting traps/skeets.

Local range only has a couple models to try out but I like the specs on those two. Once concern about the Remington, is I understand RemArms now makes them and they have quality issues.

Anyone own a Mossberg?
If you are going for home defense, a pump is the way to go.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/6/2024 5:14 pm : link
If you want to go shooting, an semiautomatic is the way to go. I have two Benelli shotguns. One is a supernova pump action with the pistol grip. The second is a supersport performance. I love Benelli's.
I have both  
IchabodGiant : 5/6/2024 5:14 pm : link
I'd go with the Mossberg. More reliable.
RE: If you are going for home defense, a pump is the way to go.  
IchabodGiant : 5/6/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16507801 robbieballs2003 said:
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If you want to go shooting, an semiautomatic is the way to go. I have two Benelli shotguns. One is a supernova pump action with the pistol grip. The second is a supersport performance. I love Benelli's.


+1 on Benelli if you are open to other brands.
RE: I have both  
HBart : 5/6/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16507802 IchabodGiant said:
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I'd go with the Mossberg. More reliable.

I also have both and agree.
Which Mossberg model  
DC Gmen Fan : 5/6/2024 5:17 pm : link
? The 590s lets you shoot three cartridge sizes
I have a 500, it's a solid shotgun.  
j_rud : 5/6/2024 5:23 pm : link
Haven't used it as much since I got an Akdal MKA. It's just too fun to shoot.
I had my heart set on a Mossberg for years and  
Jimmy Meatballs : 5/6/2024 5:25 pm : link
ended up going with a Franchi (made by Benelli) semi auto. I absolutely love the gun and have gotten a ton of compliments from people who know a lot more about shotguns than me. It’s a little more but well worth it in my opinion. I have started shootings clays a lot more and looking for more hunting opportunities. I know you are primarily looking for home defense but once you shoot it you will get hooked.
590S Shockwave  
MattinKY : 5/6/2024 5:30 pm : link
perfect tool for home defense.

It's compact size is easy to tuck away, while still being within reach.

Use NO 1 Buck to get your point across without over penetration.


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RE: 590S Shockwave  
IchabodGiant : 5/6/2024 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16507818 MattinKY said:
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perfect tool for home defense.

It's compact size is easy to tuck away, while still being within reach.

Use NO 1 Buck to get your point across without over penetration.

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This is the one I have.
I should add  
HBart : 5/6/2024 5:46 pm : link
I got the Mossberg because the Remington's jammed on me a few times over the years. OK with skeet -- but one jam is too many for HD.
Love the shockwave  
DC Gmen Fan : 5/6/2024 5:52 pm : link
But that handle…
I have a Mossberg  
pjcas18 : 5/6/2024 6:00 pm : link
Retrograde 590A1, pump action

my goal when I got it as a beginner was get something basic and reliable.

so that's what I did. No issues so far.

Fortunately only ever fired it at a range. and hopefully that's all I ever do.

I do have my eye on a semi-automatic shotgun and I have been watching prices for a Mossberg 940 JM.

For home protection,  
Bill in UT : 5/6/2024 7:14 pm : link
I have a Mossberg Maverick pistol-grip pump action. It's way shorter than a standard shotgun. Easier to maneuver indoors, easier for Mrs. in UT to handle.
IDK if it's still a problem, but  
Bill in UT : 5/6/2024 7:16 pm : link
I could not find any shotgun shells for sale online the past few years.
you don't use a shotgun for home defense are you kidding?  
Don from CT : 5/6/2024 9:06 pm : link
Unless you want to shoot 1/2 the people in the house

For any kind of self defense round in a shotgun, you would use double or tripple ott buckshot (this is meant to kill large animals like deer or black bear). Even if you used a deer slug, just way too much power

Ny kind of shot-gun (even a pistol grip) is entirely too long, this would give the intruder something to grab

Get yourself a nice 9MM hollow point that flattens out when it its something solid, in other words, it won't go throug 3 walls in your house and a pattern thats 3 or 4 feet wide
I have a Remington 870  
DefenseWins : 5/6/2024 9:49 pm : link
and I echo the other comments that a shotgun is not what you want for home security unless you have time to load and respond.

A handgun is what you need. A shotgun is great if there is an angry mob at your door.
Asking the right  
sometimeswrite : 5/6/2024 10:12 pm : link
questions is a good way to start as in LOA(length overall) or shortened stock/ barrel or both. The impact on your wrist and or shoulder will be significant. Although the shorter helps while making a defense in close the recoil is a bunch.

Before the purchase go to a indoor range which usually are better staffed and try them then think about someday having to take a life, the ultimate.

After all of that if it's still a go immerse yourself in the sport.

Good luck.
There is no one answer to  
pjcas18 : 5/6/2024 10:19 pm : link
"the best" weapon for home defense.

There are pros and cons to all options. well I'd limit to a shotgun and handgun I guess. If you ever wanted distance I'd say a rifle but then are you defending your home? So it's shotgun or handgun.

Most experts say a shotgun because they are easy to use, versatile, and accuracy is much more forgiving than with a handgun. You have to consider distance and despite the image people have in their minds, hand gun accuracy is terrible for most people from distance. even among those who are trained to use them professionally when under stressful firing conditions.

Plus the "shoot through walls" excuse for a shotgun is nullified by just changing the ammo you use and use one that results in tighter formation, different coating for the buckshot, or other differences and reduces the risk for "over penetration".

a handgun has the obvious advantage of being concealable and always close to you but just google videos of shootings and tell me you're not amazed at how law enforcement and the criminals miss, often from closer range than you would hopefully ever need for home defense.

Anyway, my recommendation would be get both. Handgun and shotgun. Guns are like tattoos are for some people. Once you get one and if you enjoy going to the range and becoming proficient in target shooting, skeet, hunting, you will want more. I'm not sure I've seen too many people with one tattoo. maybe.

Anyway, good luck, take a safety class (or several).
From a home defense standpoint I would recommend  
eric2425ny : 5/6/2024 10:36 pm : link
these options:

1.) Pistol carbine chambered in 9mm. Gives you the accuracy of a rifle, but you can use hollow point defense rounds (eg. Hornady, Speer Gold Dot) that won’t penetrate several walls if you miss the bad guy.

2.) 12 gauge pump action shotgun. However, if you go this route make sure you use birdshot for home defense to greatly reduce the risk of penetrating multiple walls. If you use buckshot you can put neighbors at severe risk as it will travel a great distance.

3.) 9mm pistol with hollow point ammo. If you are proficient and practice regularly with a handgun this is a good option. DO NOT use full metal jacket ammo for home defense. It could penetrate multiple walls.
Not sure which is best  
cjd2404 : 5/6/2024 11:37 pm : link
And I'm not sure if this is even an issue anymore. I'll rely on those who own weapons currently to correct me if I mis speak.
I haven't owned a shotgun in years. However, I'm left handed and any type that expelled the shell out the side would have gone right in my face. So the one I used had to crack open the barrel to get rid of the spent shells.
So if you're lefty, or perhaps someone in your immediate family who may also use them, it might be something to consider.
Food for thought  
Fox : 5/7/2024 2:52 am : link
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Pete from Woodstock : 5/7/2024 8:11 am : link
disagree with those that suggest handguns for home defense  
KDavies : 5/7/2024 9:18 am : link
if you have children. I would never have one of those around, as children can more easily handle a handgun. If you keep it locked up? Well, not very good for home protection. I use an AR-15 for home defense. Heavy, but manueverable, easy to load, no way my kids can properly use as it is heavy for my wife (she is able to use properly, but it is a struggle enough to know my children can't)
shotgun for skeet/clay  
John in Loudoun : 5/7/2024 9:36 am : link
you should note that many of these facilities have a barrel length requirement. Something to consider when making this decision. For example, my local range has a minimum of 23 inch barrel along with some other requirements. Please see link provided.

Benelli shotguns are great (I own one) but they are a bit more expensive than the 2 the OP mentions.
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RE: disagree with those that suggest handguns for home defense  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2024 9:39 am : link
In comment 16508456 KDavies said:
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if you have children. I would never have one of those around, as children can more easily handle a handgun. If you keep it locked up? Well, not very good for home protection. I use an AR-15 for home defense. Heavy, but manueverable, easy to load, no way my kids can properly use as it is heavy for my wife (she is able to use properly, but it is a struggle enough to know my children can't)


Isn't that temporary though? Your kids will grow up and then what? And you know your children but I would never underestimate what children are capable of doing. My club has a juniors program for kids as young as 8. It's just air rifles/pistols and archery, but some of those air rifles could pass for an AR and are similar in size and weight. Most of the younger kids would struggle with those, but not all.
RE: disagree with those that suggest handguns for home defense  
John in Loudoun : 5/7/2024 9:59 am : link
In comment 16508456 KDavies said:
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if you have children. I would never have one of those around, as children can more easily handle a handgun. If you keep it locked up? Well, not very good for home protection. I use an AR-15 for home defense. Heavy, but manueverable, easy to load, no way my kids can properly use as it is heavy for my wife (she is able to use properly, but it is a struggle enough to know my children can't)


For home defense, pump action shotgun with buckshot is a much better option than an AR15 IMO. I just don't think those were made for that intended use. What if you live in an apartment or and home with shared walls. 556 or 223 would be a major liability. We can get into the whole stopping power discussion too.
RE: RE: disagree with those that suggest handguns for home defense  
KDavies : 5/7/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16508480 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16508456 KDavies said:


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if you have children. I would never have one of those around, as children can more easily handle a handgun. If you keep it locked up? Well, not very good for home protection. I use an AR-15 for home defense. Heavy, but manueverable, easy to load, no way my kids can properly use as it is heavy for my wife (she is able to use properly, but it is a struggle enough to know my children can't)



Isn't that temporary though? Your kids will grow up and then what? And you know your children but I would never underestimate what children are capable of doing. My club has a juniors program for kids as young as 8. It's just air rifles/pistols and archery, but some of those air rifles could pass for an AR and are similar in size and weight. Most of the younger kids would struggle with those, but not all.


I have four daughters. I assure you, none of them are capable of handling the gun I have out of a safe. IMO, it is one other level of protection for an accident happening. Keeping ammo out of reach, keeping ammo separate from weapon, etc.
RE: RE: disagree with those that suggest handguns for home defense  
KDavies : 5/7/2024 10:20 am : link
In comment 16508517 John in Loudoun said:
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if you have children. I would never have one of those around, as children can more easily handle a handgun. If you keep it locked up? Well, not very good for home protection. I use an AR-15 for home defense. Heavy, but manueverable, easy to load, no way my kids can properly use as it is heavy for my wife (she is able to use properly, but it is a struggle enough to know my children can't)



For home defense, pump action shotgun with buckshot is a much better option than an AR15 IMO. I just don't think those were made for that intended use. What if you live in an apartment or and home with shared walls. 556 or 223 would be a major liability. We can get into the whole stopping power discussion too.


I don't. Everyone's situation is different. I live on a good sized property in a house. Neighbors aren't close. Just pointing out that I wouldn't have a handgun for home defense if you have children. Young children can easily operate a handgun. They usually can't a much longer, and heavier weapon
Shotguns and spackle the only way to go for home defense  
gtt350 : 5/7/2024 11:08 am : link
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For home protection, I don’t like anything  
carpoon : 5/7/2024 12:16 pm : link
that can jam. I have two single shot shotguns and a .38 hammerless S & W backed up by an older .45. Mainly, I have two German Shepherds that have a loud growl and let us know if there is even a roadrunner on the property. Each vehicle has a.45. All for defense. Everybody knows most everybody has a gun in their car in AZ and there is very little road rage.
To the OP  
RomanWH : 5/7/2024 4:32 pm : link
I actually own the 590S. Not the Shockwave model. Has a stock and is optic ready. Remingtons were great but their quality control has really gone downhill over the years. If I'm buying a pump shotty, a Mossy is hard to beat.

With regards to overpenetration, birdshot is what you should really consider. Consider the following video from Paul Harrell. He actually sets up some mock walls 6 ft apart with sheetrock & 2x4s and shoots them with birdshot and 00 buck to demonstrate how they will do, penetration-wise. Then he demonstrates later how much damage bird shot will do to a mock meat-target made from a combination of meat he got from the butcher shop(pork steak, ribs, sausage, beef heart, etc).

It's an older video but still educational.
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9mm with red/green dot - very accurate  
upnyg : 5/8/2024 8:36 pm : link
fits nicely in a drawer safe, night stand, etc. There are multiple ways to protect it from others. I wouldn't want a rifle hanging out in open
first time shotgun owner  
bc4life : 5/10/2024 8:22 pm : link
like someone else said - that handle, no stock?


whatever you get make you practice a lot
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