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Duggan Updates UDFA Guaranteed Money ($$$)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/6/2024 8:11 pm
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Guaranteed money for a few of the Giants undrafted free agents, per source:

• OT Marcellus Johnson, Missouri: $170K
• CB Alex Johnson, UCLA: $115K
• Edge Ovie Oghoufo, LSU: $7,500
• WR Ayir Asante, Wyoming: $4K

Important to note that the guarantee amount really only tells you how in demand players were as UDFAs and how much the team wanted to sign them. But these guaranteed figures are nowhere significant enough to tip the scales on who will make the roster.

Adding North Dakota State OT Jake Kubas: $270K guaranteed. That's the richest guarantee I've seen aside from Colorado State CB Chig Anusiem, who the Giants were interested in but he fetched $350K guaranteed from Washington.

A practice squad salary for the full season is $225K. The Giants guaranteed Kubas $240K in salary plus a $30K signing bonus. Strong indication that they expect him to at least land on their P-squad (although with offsets, they'd only have $45K in dead money if they cut him and he signs with another team's PS).

Rounding out the guarantees for the Giants' undrafted free agents, per sources:

• DL Casey Rogers, Oregon: $220K
• WR John Jiles, West Florida: $100K
• K Jude McAtamney, Rutgers: $2,500
a little organizing...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/6/2024 8:19 pm : link
OT Jake Kubas: $270,000
DL Casey Rogers, Oregon: $220,000
OT Marcellus Johnson, Missouri: $170,000
CB Alex Johnson, UCLA: $115,000
WR John Jiles, West Florida: $100,000
Edge Ovie Oghoufo, LSU: $7,500
WR Ayir Asante, Wyoming: $4,000
K Jude McAtamney, Rutgers: $2,500
I would say  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/6/2024 8:20 pm : link
we really need to pay attention to the top five guys.
i like the competition at CB - i can do without a vet for now.  
bigbluewillrise : 5/6/2024 8:27 pm : link
https://twitter.com/JustinPenik/status/1786856202153992235

theres going to be massive competition at slot and outside CB this spring....

Justin Penik
@JustinPenik
Alex Johnson w/ some really good slot numbers
Among draft eligible players w at least 195 slot snaps

2nd lowest yards allowed/snap
3rd in snaps/reception
3rd in passer rating allowed
2nd in INTs behind Sainristil w/ 5
Third lowest in YAC
All while having the 7th most slot snaps
Barring injury or outlier performance  
Jaenyg : 5/6/2024 8:48 pm : link
These guys are all long shots for the initial 53.

The guys with high guarantees means they were in demand which means they are no cinch to clear waivers and make it to the PS. That being said, a claiming team has to give up a spot on the 53.

I see 5-6 of these guys starting on PS and I’m sure we will see some elevations as time goes on.

I really hope some can develop but I’m not sure NFL coaching develops raw talent like it used to. At least the Giants don’t.
RE: Barring injury or outlier performance  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/6/2024 9:02 pm : link
In comment 16508009 Jaenyg said:
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These guys are all long shots for the initial 53.

The guys with high guarantees means they were in demand which means they are no cinch to clear waivers and make it to the PS. That being said, a claiming team has to give up a spot on the 53.

I see 5-6 of these guys starting on PS and I’m sure we will see some elevations as time goes on.

I really hope some can develop but I’m not sure NFL coaching develops raw talent like it used to. At least the Giants don’t.


There are still three UDFAs on this roster from 2022 and three from 2023.
RE: RE: Barring injury or outlier performance  
Jaenyg : 5/6/2024 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16508025 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16508009 Jaenyg said:


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These guys are all long shots for the initial 53.

The guys with high guarantees means they were in demand which means they are no cinch to clear waivers and make it to the PS. That being said, a claiming team has to give up a spot on the 53.

I see 5-6 of these guys starting on PS and I’m sure we will see some elevations as time goes on.

I really hope some can develop but I’m not sure NFL coaching develops raw talent like it used to. At least the Giants don’t.



There are still three UDFAs on this roster from 2022 and three from 2023.


My comment was regarding the initial 53. Of the 6 you mention, I think only Tomon Fox made the initial 53, although Ryder Anderson may have.

Cracking the initial 53 is tough and my point was calling out the high guarantee guys and the risk of trying to waive them to the PS.
RE: Barring injury or outlier performance  
Blue Dog : 5/6/2024 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16508009 Jaenyg said:
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These guys are all long shots for the initial 53.

The guys with high guarantees means they were in demand which means they are no cinch to clear waivers and make it to the PS. That being said, a claiming team has to give up a spot on the 53.

I see 5-6 of these guys starting on PS and I’m sure we will see some elevations as time goes on.

I really hope some can develop but I’m not sure NFL coaching develops raw talent like it used to. At least the Giants don’t.


I've seen it mentioned a few times Alex Johnson might be a good candidate to switch to safety. I could see a year on the practice squad learning the new position.
the most interesting thing  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/6/2024 9:38 pm : link
here to me is the money they gave to the Oregon DT.

Remember, Jordon Riley came from Oregon too.
And both the Oregon DTs  
Jaenyg : 5/6/2024 9:47 pm : link
Spent time at Nebraska. It’s so weird.

Giants have at least 4 players that spent time at Nebraska but I think there are 5-6.
It’s the most optimistic  
dabru : 5/6/2024 10:27 pm : link
time for nfl fans-from the day after the draft until final cuts, so many names get their 15 minutes.
If the pass protection was not giving WRs time to get separation...  
Marty in Albany : 5/7/2024 8:35 am : link
John Jiles is open without separation, but he'll probably take a pounding afterwards.
RE: I would say  
Ivan15 : 5/7/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16507960 Eric from BBI said:
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we really need to pay attention to the top five guys.
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For the top 5 guys, I guess the Giants are really guaranteeing them a practice squad slot, at least until their salary matches the guarantee. For the top two, they are almost guaranteed an elevation or two.
RE: RE: Barring injury or outlier performance  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16508093 Blue Dog said:
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In comment 16508009 Jaenyg said:


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These guys are all long shots for the initial 53.

The guys with high guarantees means they were in demand which means they are no cinch to clear waivers and make it to the PS. That being said, a claiming team has to give up a spot on the 53.

I see 5-6 of these guys starting on PS and I’m sure we will see some elevations as time goes on.

I really hope some can develop but I’m not sure NFL coaching develops raw talent like it used to. At least the Giants don’t.



I've seen it mentioned a few times Alex Johnson might be a good candidate to switch to safety. I could see a year on the practice squad learning the new position.


I think we have to re-focus what our new defense is looking for, and I dont think they will switch him to Safety. Its clear to me that Bowen is grabbing guys that can read and react like a safety because he needs his corners to play zone. They need to be able to know when to pass off men in coverage and know how to jump routes.

This goes for everyone but the Defensive Line because those guys are going to rush the passer. But if you look at Nubin at Safety, Dru Phillips and Alex Johnson at slot, Muasau at LB. These guys have a lot of promise in a read and react defense because they all have great instincts.

I also wouldnt sleep on Tre Hawkins getting a lot of playing time this year playing outside corner. He had a great preseason but got toasted playing Wink's man coverage on the island. However in a zone based scheme I think he still has a lot to offer, here one of is his scouting reports:

Tre Hawkins III, CB
Strengths: Nice-sized corner coming off a disappointing season. Aggressive, stays with assignments, and gives a lot of effort defending the run. Quick flipping his hips in transition, fluid moving around the field, and has a burst to the ball out of his plant. Effective facing the action and quickly locates the ball or action.

Weaknesses: Must improve his backpedal. Lacks deep speed. Didn’t show much improvement last season.

Overall: Hawkins possesses next-level length and has shown solid ball skills over the past two years. He lacks Sunday speed, but he could be used in a zone system facing the action.
RE: I would say  
Named Later : 5/7/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16507960 Eric from BBI said:
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we really need to pay attention to the top five guys.


Manny in CA deserves a shout-out on the UCLA Alex Johnson signing. Manny started a thread a few days ago on Johnson, and even cited a possible move to Safety.

With Theo and Dyontae, the Giants are going to lead the NFL in Johnsons.
How much $ did they pay the SC/Columbia RB?  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/7/2024 12:12 pm : link
That signing is really interesting to me. He kind of got jobbed by the covid year and the transfer portal, otherwise he would have been a bigger part of SC's offense this year than he was last year.

The guy ran a 4.27 40 at the SC pro day. I know pro days are usually inflated, but still damned impressive and he looks super quick in his highlight reel.
RE: How much $ did they pay the SC/Columbia RB?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16508710 sb from NYT Forum said:
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That signing is really interesting to me. He kind of got jobbed by the covid year and the transfer portal, otherwise he would have been a bigger part of SC's offense this year than he was last year.

The guy ran a 4.27 40 at the SC pro day. I know pro days are usually inflated, but still damned impressive and he looks super quick in his highlight reel.


In guaranteed money?

$0.00
RE: RE: I would say  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16508530 Named Later said:
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In comment 16507960 Eric from BBI said:


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we really need to pay attention to the top five guys.



Manny in CA deserves a shout-out on the UCLA Alex Johnson signing. Manny started a thread a few days ago on Johnson, and even cited a possible move to Safety.

With Theo and Dyontae, the Giants are going to lead the NFL in Johnsons.


There were threads and discussions on Alex Johnson since after the draft. Manny was way late to the discussion.
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