but the Rangers have a chance to do right with Lindgren what they did horribly wrong with Girardi and Staal.
Love the guy, but everything about this situation screams "DO NOT PAY". I don't expect any player to sacrifice on dollars and/or term, but I wouldn't pa anything more than $4 x 4 for him, and he ought to seek substantially more.
Totally agree
msfd, my dad and I talked about that on the phone after the game
The Canes are doing that same endless passing around the perimeter that the Rangers PP did under Vigneault.
I agree with the group about Lindgren. He's all heart and guts, you can't help but love the guy and pull for him....but I will damn near guarantee that he won't age well. All those injuries he plays through will take a toll, just like I said about Girardi on here a decade ago. Lindgren's a bit undersized and an average skater. He doesn't have enough physical ability to lose a step and still be effective. It sucks that it needs to be this way, but it's a business. And you have Zac Jones waiting in the wings who really should be playing even now.
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But goddamn, when he gives the puck away, he does it the worst way possible
He basically lived in the penalty box last night and most of his penalties were stupid. As captain of the team, he needs to be more disciplined.
Trouba took 3 penalties and made the most egregious turnover of the series...yet also blocked 9 shots and took some souls with his hits. Kind of a typical Trouba night but to the extreme.
It's been like this the whole series. He also had that nice saucer pass, but still. He can block all the shots he wants, but it's of little good if he's going to be in the penalty box against a juggernaut of a PP. He HAS to cut down on the penalties.
Lol, Schneider has the exact same number of PIMs as Trouba. Without the blocked shots, with less hits and Schneider has been on the ice for more opponent goals, less of his teams goals, and has less points than Trouba.
All I read on here is how good Schneider looks and how the pairs are finally set right.
Just admit to yourself you don't like Trouba and you are always going to emphasize the negative about his game. Maybe it's the salary or you don't think he deserves to be a captain, or some unknown reason but it seems like you have a hair across your ass about him for some weird reason and for an even weirder reason I feel obligated to white knight him.
That's nonsense, PJ. And you neglect to mention that his collision with the boards was a blessing in disguise because if he connected with Necas, that could've easily been called a match penalty and a 5-minute major.
He can't keep taking penalties and doing stupid shit. And despite your statistic, Trouba also has more dreadful giveaways and passes than Schneider. Should he be tough and physical? Yes, of course. We need that. But he can't act this reckless.
And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
I think we will see Brodzinski for Rempe on Thursday night. It hurt them not to be able to roll 4 lines. I've got no ill feelings toward Rempe but when he plays 4 of 87 minutes, it's just not a good use of a roster spot.
Rest up & try to recover for game 3. It's going to take a better performance. Looked like they were all skating through peanut butter tonight, with the exception of Roslovic, who was by far the most noticeable player for the NYR from a speed perspective.
Trocheck is a beast. What an effort last night.
I agree about Jonny the Body, but the Rangers were actually rolling more forwards than the Canes were in the third and OT's last night. Rangers were rolling 11 players, while the Canes were only rolling 3 lines, and I felt like that made a difference in OT where Carolina didn't have the same jump they did throughout the rest of the game. That said, I definitely think Jonny should be in the lineup for Rempe. It doesn't feel like Chytil is going to actually play in these playoffs, and Jonny can at least eat up 8-10 minutes instead of Rempe's 4-6. Jonny has been a good player for the Rangers for the most part. He's not an every night player, but I think he's better suited for this matchup than Rempe.
I think Chytil gets a shot before Brodz.
And I agree to an extent that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The bench is inevitably going to get shortened down the stretch, but Rempe had what? 4 minutes TOTAL last night? In a double OT game, where everyone was exhausted. I think ideally you want your fourth liner to alleviate some of those minutes.
He's easily the most divisive player in recent Rangers history. He makes a lot of mistakes, but he also has a big impact on games with his physicality and shot blocking. I am disappointed that he did not materialize into a Norris candidate defenseman, which many thought was his potential when he left Winnipeg, but for a bottom pair D who could play in the middle pair (and has successfully done so) and kills penalties, you could do a lot worse. "You could do a lot worse" is not typically a take you'd like to see for a player earning $8M a year, but Trouba can definitely be a part of a Cup winning team.
I think the hand wringing on this hit (primarily referring to Twitter) is really off-base in my opinion.
He had Necas lined up for a big hit, but really quite a regular hit. Was it going to be vicious? Absolutely. And I don't expect any non-rangers fans to appreciate it.
When Necas ducks out of it, Trouba has a decision to make. If he skates unchanged, he's getting his legs taken out and going headlong into the boards, and there's probably a worse outcome for both himself and Necas at the end of that rainbow. So he leaves his feet and takes the worst of it up top.
Nobody hurt. Never seen so much hand-wringing about a missed hit.
I remember how much of a pest he was in the 2022 series vs Carolina. But I also remember thinking to have a center who can win draws, play a two way game and has some attitude was something the Rangers desperately needed. Was thrilled when they signed him. He was so close a few times last night and cashed one in when it mattered most.
I was really pumped when they signed him, and remember a lot of complaining about his contract being too long for too much money. Ha! The argument can be made that he is the best value in the NHL right now. $5.6M for a 2C (more like 1aC) who scores clutch goals, kills penalties, wins faceoffs (aside from last night), and gets under the opponents' skin. Between him and DiVincenzo, Italians are taking over NY in the playoffs!
I'll confess to not liking the contract but liked the player.
Came here to comment the same thing. I was desperate for a Strome upgrade but really was apprehensive about tying up another veteran with term well into his 30s.
Who knows how contracts will age, but I've completely backtracked on that. Vinny is a perfect fit for this team. Just a total gamer who plays with an edge and still has plenty of skill. This is the type of "grit" we've needed. Guys that are a pain in the ass to play against this time of year and then will go and score a back breaking goal. His back and forth with Guentzel is cracking me up. Hell of a player and a bargain at his salary
And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
Schneider is 22 and makes less than a million dollars. Being able to reliably send him out there for 17-19 minutes every single night (and 27 last night) is one of the reasons the Trouba contract isn't a noose around the Rangers neck.
Congrats to Trouba for tying Dan Girardi for the playoff record in blocked shots. That seems appropriate, and not in a good way.
Trouba played like a complete asshole last night, let's be honest.
Agree with those saying Rempe probably has to come out. He's played his role fine but this series is just a bit too fast for him and they obviously don't trust him in late game situations.
We're also just going to need some fresh legs in there after that marathon. It makes sense.
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Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
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And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
Schneider is 22 and makes less than a million dollars. Being able to reliably send him out there for 17-19 minutes every single night (and 27 last night) is one of the reasons the Trouba contract isn't a noose around the Rangers neck.
Exactly. The Miller-Schneider pairing is more effective than the Miller-Trouba pairing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trouba isn't a third pairing defenseman.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
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Trouba frustrates me but he still provides value and has a role to play. He's obviously overpaid but that's not his fault. Clearly he's an important leader for the team, apparently the captain decision was pretty much unanimous. And this time of year, the hockey is very heavy. You need the size and physicality he brings. Very valuable on the PK as well.
But his skating limitations can get exposed and he's not a puck mover (though credit given for a pass to Mika in OT that could have been the winner). So he's never going to be an analytics darling over a large sample and it does feel like the puck is in his end a whole lot when he's out there. Blocked shots are helpful but when you're wracking up that many of them, that probably means the other team has the puck a lot when you're on the ice.
I think there's been some subtle acknowledgement of that by the coaching staff if you look at his ice time in the playoffs compared to the last two. But he still provides value and if you think you can just insert a Zac Jones into the lineup (who I like) and expect he wouldn't struggle to ramp up, I think you're crazy.
The contract is what it is. Evaluate his play in a vacuum to be fair. Last night was a horror show. Game 1 was very good and to that point in the playoffs he's been solid. Can't forget he came back from an injury late in the season. Never know what guys are dealing with this time of year.
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I think we will see Brodzinski for Rempe on Thursday night. It hurt them not to be able to roll 4 lines. I've got no ill feelings toward Rempe but when he plays 4 of 87 minutes, it's just not a good use of a roster spot.
Rest up & try to recover for game 3. It's going to take a better performance. Looked like they were all skating through peanut butter tonight, with the exception of Roslovic, who was by far the most noticeable player for the NYR from a speed perspective.
Trocheck is a beast. What an effort last night.
I agree about Jonny the Body, but the Rangers were actually rolling more forwards than the Canes were in the third and OT's last night. Rangers were rolling 11 players, while the Canes were only rolling 3 lines, and I felt like that made a difference in OT where Carolina didn't have the same jump they did throughout the rest of the game. That said, I definitely think Jonny should be in the lineup for Rempe. It doesn't feel like Chytil is going to actually play in these playoffs, and Jonny can at least eat up 8-10 minutes instead of Rempe's 4-6. Jonny has been a good player for the Rangers for the most part. He's not an every night player, but I think he's better suited for this matchup than Rempe.
I think Chytil gets a shot before Brodz.
And I agree to an extent that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The bench is inevitably going to get shortened down the stretch, but Rempe had what? 4 minutes TOTAL last night? In a double OT game, where everyone was exhausted. I think ideally you want your fourth liner to alleviate some of those minutes.
Uncle Larry says a lot of things. If it weren't even a possibility, I find it hard to believe that he'd be practicing.
Is it a likely possibility? Maybe not, maybe even probably not. I don't know, and neither does Larry Brooks. The only people who actually know are Filip Chytil and Peter Laviolette.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Trouba isn't a third pairing defenseman.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
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Interesting. You're right, Brett. There are plenty of comparable players with comparable production that earn 5-6M (I guess Parayko and Severson are the most comparable?), even though most come well below that.
I share everyone's frustrations with Trouba--last night was awful--but think the criticism is really overdone. He isn't Girardi (yet).
He is also at the age where guys with his style fall off a cliff, which I think we saw a little of this year. So would I sign him to a five year, $25 million deal? No. But I think someone would.
I acknowledge much of it stems from him playing an awful game
Igor stood on his head but should not face that many shots per game
Better coverage in defensive zone in the slot area. Canes lived their last night.
Tough game for Trouba
Is Fox injured?
Replace Rempe with Brodzinski.
So far series is all about Rangers special teams
RE: I acknowledge much of it stems from him playing an awful game
and a nice fuck you to the analytics assholes. You get the best goaltending and special teams, you win in the playoffs. Rangers perfect on PK, 2 PPGs, and 54 saves from Igor. THAT is playoff hockey.
Nice fuck up by ESPN there at the end of regulation. Thank God nobody scored.
Gforce and schabadoo, get a clue.
Dom from The Athletic hates the Rangers but Moneypuck and others are much more fair. The models have historically done a terrible job of adjusting for goaltenders/special teams.
... Last night was his worst game of the playoffs and he was the worst player on the team (if you trust statcards, and need validation for what you saw). Lindgren has consistently struggled all playoffs. I wonder if he's got an injury and not just an injury - they all have them - but one that needs attention....
I don't even know how to read that Statcard graphic: there are 6 categories:
Indiv Offense/On-Ice Offense
Indiv Defense/On-Ice Defense
PP/PK
But some players don't even register one or the other of the Offense or Defense categories.
What is that supposed to represent? How is that broken down?
e.g., neither JT (a d-man) nor CK (a F) has any dark purple color for Indiv Defense (lol, which was true)
for defense (not listing all, just a handful) in order of most giveaways (had puck taken from them or passed directly to opposing player): FWIW NHL.com has the exact same stats.
Not a Trouba hater, but I'd argue he doesn't give the puck away much because he's just flipping it off the glass and out every time instead of making a play and leaving the zone with possession like a lot of those other players try to do. Usually the giveaway leaders are some pretty good players.
But fair point, giveaways aren't really Trouba's issue
ok, but seems as much a function of TOI as anything, based on those names and their pairings
Doesn't answer my Q above re. some players no stats for certain categories
Dom Luszczyszyn has a good article that describes the game score. I'll dig it up. My crude explanation is the scores you see on there are only above or below average so if a player had an average score in an area (in all areas) they'd be 0 and wouldn't have any graph color for that category.
Igor stood on his head but should not face that many shots per game
Better coverage in defensive zone in the slot area. Canes lived their last night.
Tough game for Trouba
Is Fox injured?
Replace Rempe with Brodzinski.
So far series is all about Rangers special teams
Fox definitely looks injured. He isn't skating well and looks tentative. Hopefully he can overcome any physical ailments he has considering how much of his game is mental and awareness based.
Uncle Larry says a lot of things. If it weren't even a possibility, I find it hard to believe that he'd be practicing.
Is it a likely possibility? Maybe not, maybe even probably not. I don't know, and neither does Larry Brooks. The only people who actually know are Filip Chytil and Peter Laviolette.
One potential factor with Chytil vs Brod is that Brod is a straight swap. Chytil probably goes 3W, and bump down Cuylle.
for defense (not listing all, just a handful) in order of most giveaways (had puck taken from them or passed directly to opposing player): FWIW NHL.com has the exact same stats.
Granted it was a brutal giveaway, and a bad overall game, but things are off IMO with the complaints due to what is warranted.
I felt better when the whipping boy was Panarin, but he crushed it this year, so I guess someone has to fill the void.
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pjacs, it doesn't matter what insight you provide...there are are Rangers fan posters here that will be complaining about their current whipping boy. Team could win 10 games in a row and they'll still be complaining about someone.
These same posters complained about Goodrow all year, who I defended all year. And how is he doing in the playoffs? Doing what he was brought in to do, and doing it well. So if they can't have Goodrow any longer as their whipping boy, they have to find anohter...so on to Trouba. It's just what they do, makes them feel good I guess.
If anyone should be negatively being talked about it is why Lavi still keeps putting Rempe in the lineup? I'm all for having him in there for his physicality. But if you are going to play him 5 shifts in a double OT game, then it is time to make a change. His few hits in 4 minutes of ice time aren't scaring Carolina and making a positive impact. Get someone else in the lineup that can actually be trusted to play hockey. Whether it is Chytil, or if he isn't ready yet...Brodzinski. Winning the cup is a marathon, we shouldn't be playng with essentally 11 forwards.
is putting up a Conn Smythe-like performance so far.
Sure Igor has been great, but his 2.00 GAA is barely top 5 in the playoffs. Same with his save %.
Trocheck is tied for 3rd most in playoff points all while dominating the dots with almost 60% on face offs.
Additionally, he's tied for 3rd in the playoffs in PIMs drawn.
For Rangers forwards he's behind only Rempe and Cuylle in hits.
He fits the proverbial "tough to play against" mold to a T. Players you see in the playoffs that are sometimes called agitators, but when they have skill they can turn a series (like a Marchand or Tkachuk)
Trocheck is kind of like a less-dirty Ken Linseman
".there are are Rangers fan posters here that will be complaining about their current whipping boy. Team could win 10 games in a row and they'll still be complaining about someone.
These same posters complained about Goodrow all year, who I defended all year. And how is he doing in the playoffs? Doing what he was brought in to do, and doing it well. So if they can't have Goodrow any longer as their whipping boy, they have to find anohter...so on to Trouba. It's just what they do, makes them feel good I guess."
Spot on. Can you imagine what it would be like if they weren't 6-0 for the tournament??
But he was godawful for most of the season. Tanner Glass level bad. He picked it up late in the regular season and it's carried over into the playoffs, and I'm very happy that he has.
But he was godawful for most of the season. Tanner Glass level bad. He picked it up late in the regular season and it's carried over into the playoffs, and I'm very happy that he has.
This. I regret nothing I said about Goodrow. The fact that he's playing better as of late is a great sign.
is worth mentioning about the game last night is the NYR power play so far in this series. First, CAR had THE BEST PK in the NHL during the regular season.
So far this series the NYR are putting on a clinic in zone entry and puck movement on the PP. CAR is very aggressive on the PK, they don't play a passive box like most teams where they give you the outside, they have an aggressive on the puck approach, but NYR players moved the puck so quickly and accurately the CAR PKers were basically just tiring themselves out.
It was a thing of beauty to watch for most NYR PP's whether they scored or not.
The Rangers PP coach (Peca?) has earned his money since that drought in mid-February or whenever it was and these guys are so cohesive right now they have elevated to that level of chemistry where they are in each others heads. It's hard to beat that level of execution.
Trouba frustrates me but he still provides value and has a role to play. He's obviously overpaid but that's not his fault. Clearly he's an important leader for the team, apparently the captain decision was pretty much unanimous. And this time of year, the hockey is very heavy. You need the size and physicality he brings. Very valuable on the PK as well.
But his skating limitations can get exposed and he's not a puck mover (though credit given for a pass to Mika in OT that could have been the winner). So he's never going to be an analytics darling over a large sample and it does feel like the puck is in his end a whole lot when he's out there. Blocked shots are helpful but when you're wracking up that many of them, that probably means the other team has the puck a lot when you're on the ice.
I think there's been some subtle acknowledgement of that by the coaching staff if you look at his ice time in the playoffs compared to the last two. But he still provides value and if you think you can just insert a Zac Jones into the lineup (who I like) and expect he wouldn't struggle to ramp up, I think you're crazy.
The contract is what it is. Evaluate his play in a vacuum to be fair. Last night was a horror show. Game 1 was very good and to that point in the playoffs he's been solid. Can't forget he came back from an injury late in the season. Never know what guys are dealing with this time of year.
Good post, Kyle.
Greg, Uncle Larry was just echoing CHP, almost verbatim, from days ago.
Those who figured Filip entry imminent playing Madden hockey. Lavvy is not crazy
I thought the Blueshirts played a nearly perfect “road” game.
What a difference a year and a coaching change has clearly made.
Great seeing # 72 back on the ice. He adds another dimension to their already deep lineup.
For those who make the trip to Nashville for work or pleasure, DraftKings opened a new place off Broadway on 2nd Ave and it’s the bomb for game viewing.
Tried Barstool Sports as well but it doesn’t compare in my opinion. Nice place but it caters more to conventional Nashville entertainment.
Love the guy, but everything about this situation screams "DO NOT PAY". I don't expect any player to sacrifice on dollars and/or term, but I wouldn't pa anything more than $4 x 4 for him, and he ought to seek substantially more.
Totally agree
I agree with the group about Lindgren. He's all heart and guts, you can't help but love the guy and pull for him....but I will damn near guarantee that he won't age well. All those injuries he plays through will take a toll, just like I said about Girardi on here a decade ago. Lindgren's a bit undersized and an average skater. He doesn't have enough physical ability to lose a step and still be effective. It sucks that it needs to be this way, but it's a business. And you have Zac Jones waiting in the wings who really should be playing even now.
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But goddamn, when he gives the puck away, he does it the worst way possible
He basically lived in the penalty box last night and most of his penalties were stupid. As captain of the team, he needs to be more disciplined.
Trouba took 3 penalties and made the most egregious turnover of the series...yet also blocked 9 shots and took some souls with his hits. Kind of a typical Trouba night but to the extreme.
It's been like this the whole series. He also had that nice saucer pass, but still. He can block all the shots he wants, but it's of little good if he's going to be in the penalty box against a juggernaut of a PP. He HAS to cut down on the penalties.
Lol, Schneider has the exact same number of PIMs as Trouba. Without the blocked shots, with less hits and Schneider has been on the ice for more opponent goals, less of his teams goals, and has less points than Trouba.
All I read on here is how good Schneider looks and how the pairs are finally set right.
Just admit to yourself you don't like Trouba and you are always going to emphasize the negative about his game. Maybe it's the salary or you don't think he deserves to be a captain, or some unknown reason but it seems like you have a hair across your ass about him for some weird reason and for an even weirder reason I feel obligated to white knight him.
That's nonsense, PJ. And you neglect to mention that his collision with the boards was a blessing in disguise because if he connected with Necas, that could've easily been called a match penalty and a 5-minute major.
He can't keep taking penalties and doing stupid shit. And despite your statistic, Trouba also has more dreadful giveaways and passes than Schneider. Should he be tough and physical? Yes, of course. We need that. But he can't act this reckless.
And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
The Rangers paid him like an elite shutdown defenseman and....he ain't that. He has his good points but, my god, when he's bad he is BAD.
I think he's worth $5-6 million.
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Igor absolutely stole one, and I am #HereForIt.
I think we will see Brodzinski for Rempe on Thursday night. It hurt them not to be able to roll 4 lines. I've got no ill feelings toward Rempe but when he plays 4 of 87 minutes, it's just not a good use of a roster spot.
Rest up & try to recover for game 3. It's going to take a better performance. Looked like they were all skating through peanut butter tonight, with the exception of Roslovic, who was by far the most noticeable player for the NYR from a speed perspective.
Trocheck is a beast. What an effort last night.
I agree about Jonny the Body, but the Rangers were actually rolling more forwards than the Canes were in the third and OT's last night. Rangers were rolling 11 players, while the Canes were only rolling 3 lines, and I felt like that made a difference in OT where Carolina didn't have the same jump they did throughout the rest of the game. That said, I definitely think Jonny should be in the lineup for Rempe. It doesn't feel like Chytil is going to actually play in these playoffs, and Jonny can at least eat up 8-10 minutes instead of Rempe's 4-6. Jonny has been a good player for the Rangers for the most part. He's not an every night player, but I think he's better suited for this matchup than Rempe.
I think Chytil gets a shot before Brodz.
And I agree to an extent that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The bench is inevitably going to get shortened down the stretch, but Rempe had what? 4 minutes TOTAL last night? In a double OT game, where everyone was exhausted. I think ideally you want your fourth liner to alleviate some of those minutes.
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Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there, Bob. Quite overpaid.
The Rangers paid him like an elite shutdown defenseman and....he ain't that. He has his good points but, my god, when he's bad he is BAD.
I think he's worth $5-6 million.
For a third-pair guy with limited offensive production?
He is on this team.
He had Necas lined up for a big hit, but really quite a regular hit. Was it going to be vicious? Absolutely. And I don't expect any non-rangers fans to appreciate it.
When Necas ducks out of it, Trouba has a decision to make. If he skates unchanged, he's getting his legs taken out and going headlong into the boards, and there's probably a worse outcome for both himself and Necas at the end of that rainbow. So he leaves his feet and takes the worst of it up top.
Nobody hurt. Never seen so much hand-wringing about a missed hit.
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I remember how much of a pest he was in the 2022 series vs Carolina. But I also remember thinking to have a center who can win draws, play a two way game and has some attitude was something the Rangers desperately needed. Was thrilled when they signed him. He was so close a few times last night and cashed one in when it mattered most.
I was really pumped when they signed him, and remember a lot of complaining about his contract being too long for too much money. Ha! The argument can be made that he is the best value in the NHL right now. $5.6M for a 2C (more like 1aC) who scores clutch goals, kills penalties, wins faceoffs (aside from last night), and gets under the opponents' skin. Between him and DiVincenzo, Italians are taking over NY in the playoffs!
I'll confess to not liking the contract but liked the player.
Came here to comment the same thing. I was desperate for a Strome upgrade but really was apprehensive about tying up another veteran with term well into his 30s.
Who knows how contracts will age, but I've completely backtracked on that. Vinny is a perfect fit for this team. Just a total gamer who plays with an edge and still has plenty of skill. This is the type of "grit" we've needed. Guys that are a pain in the ass to play against this time of year and then will go and score a back breaking goal. His back and forth with Guentzel is cracking me up. Hell of a player and a bargain at his salary
What a game!
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He is on this team.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
Schneider is 22 and makes less than a million dollars. Being able to reliably send him out there for 17-19 minutes every single night (and 27 last night) is one of the reasons the Trouba contract isn't a noose around the Rangers neck.
Congrats to Trouba for tying Dan Girardi for the playoff record in blocked shots. That seems appropriate, and not in a good way.
Trouba played like a complete asshole last night, let's be honest.
We're also just going to need some fresh legs in there after that marathon. It makes sense.
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He is on this team.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
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And yes, the pairs are finally set right. When Schneider is earning 8M per on a long-term, is a seasoned vet and is the C of the team, I'll be more critical of him.
Schneider is 22 and makes less than a million dollars. Being able to reliably send him out there for 17-19 minutes every single night (and 27 last night) is one of the reasons the Trouba contract isn't a noose around the Rangers neck.
Exactly. The Miller-Schneider pairing is more effective than the Miller-Trouba pairing.
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He is on this team.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
This list is littered with guys just like that (and guys who are worse than Trouba).
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But his skating limitations can get exposed and he's not a puck mover (though credit given for a pass to Mika in OT that could have been the winner). So he's never going to be an analytics darling over a large sample and it does feel like the puck is in his end a whole lot when he's out there. Blocked shots are helpful but when you're wracking up that many of them, that probably means the other team has the puck a lot when you're on the ice.
I think there's been some subtle acknowledgement of that by the coaching staff if you look at his ice time in the playoffs compared to the last two. But he still provides value and if you think you can just insert a Zac Jones into the lineup (who I like) and expect he wouldn't struggle to ramp up, I think you're crazy.
The contract is what it is. Evaluate his play in a vacuum to be fair. Last night was a horror show. Game 1 was very good and to that point in the playoffs he's been solid. Can't forget he came back from an injury late in the season. Never know what guys are dealing with this time of year.
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Igor absolutely stole one, and I am #HereForIt.
I think we will see Brodzinski for Rempe on Thursday night. It hurt them not to be able to roll 4 lines. I've got no ill feelings toward Rempe but when he plays 4 of 87 minutes, it's just not a good use of a roster spot.
Rest up & try to recover for game 3. It's going to take a better performance. Looked like they were all skating through peanut butter tonight, with the exception of Roslovic, who was by far the most noticeable player for the NYR from a speed perspective.
Trocheck is a beast. What an effort last night.
I agree about Jonny the Body, but the Rangers were actually rolling more forwards than the Canes were in the third and OT's last night. Rangers were rolling 11 players, while the Canes were only rolling 3 lines, and I felt like that made a difference in OT where Carolina didn't have the same jump they did throughout the rest of the game. That said, I definitely think Jonny should be in the lineup for Rempe. It doesn't feel like Chytil is going to actually play in these playoffs, and Jonny can at least eat up 8-10 minutes instead of Rempe's 4-6. Jonny has been a good player for the Rangers for the most part. He's not an every night player, but I think he's better suited for this matchup than Rempe.
I think Chytil gets a shot before Brodz.
And I agree to an extent that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The bench is inevitably going to get shortened down the stretch, but Rempe had what? 4 minutes TOTAL last night? In a double OT game, where everyone was exhausted. I think ideally you want your fourth liner to alleviate some of those minutes.
Kreider-Zibanejad-Roslovic
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kakko-Wennberg-Chytil
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey
Brooks said Chytil playing is not going to happen.
Is it a likely possibility? Maybe not, maybe even probably not. I don't know, and neither does Larry Brooks. The only people who actually know are Filip Chytil and Peter Laviolette.
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He is on this team.
Do you also think Artemi Panarin is a second line winger or is your point stupid?
Except Panarin actually produces at an elite level. Trouba doesn't. How is he worth 5-6M? He's a defensive, stay-at-home, crease-clearing defenseman. Always a role for guys like that, but they're not at a premium...
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Interesting. You're right, Brett. There are plenty of comparable players with comparable production that earn 5-6M (I guess Parayko and Severson are the most comparable?), even though most come well below that.
He is also at the age where guys with his style fall off a cliff, which I think we saw a little of this year. So would I sign him to a five year, $25 million deal? No. But I think someone would.
Better coverage in defensive zone in the slot area. Canes lived their last night.
Tough game for Trouba
Is Fox injured?
Replace Rempe with Brodzinski.
So far series is all about Rangers special teams
And then compounds that with stupid penalties
Nice fuck up by ESPN there at the end of regulation. Thank God nobody scored.
Gforce and schabadoo, get a clue.
Dom from The Athletic hates the Rangers but Moneypuck and others are much more fair. The models have historically done a terrible job of adjusting for goaltenders/special teams.
I don't even know how to read that Statcard graphic: there are 6 categories:
Indiv Offense/On-Ice Offense
Indiv Defense/On-Ice Defense
PP/PK
But some players don't even register one or the other of the Offense or Defense categories.
What is that supposed to represent? How is that broken down?
e.g., neither JT (a d-man) nor CK (a F) has any dark purple color for Indiv Defense (lol, which was true)
1. McAvoy (BOS): 13
2. Lindholm (BOS): 11
3. Ekblad (FLA): 9
7. Heiskanen (DAL): 7
8. Carlo (BOS): 7
9. Toews (COL): 6
14. Schneider (NYR): 5
16. Hedman (TBL): 5
26. Gustafsson (NYR): 4
40. Fox (NYR): 3
42. Lindgren (NYR): 3
45. Miller (NYR): 3
57. Makar (COL): 2
89. Trouba (NYR): 1
Granted it was a brutal giveaway, and a bad overall game, but things are off IMO with the complaints due to what is warranted.
I felt better when the whipping boy was Panarin, but he crushed it this year, so I guess someone has to fill the void.
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But fair point, giveaways aren't really Trouba's issue
Doesn't answer my Q above re. some players no stats for certain categories
Doesn't answer my Q above re. some players no stats for certain categories
Dom Luszczyszyn has a good article that describes the game score. I'll dig it up. My crude explanation is the scores you see on there are only above or below average so if a player had an average score in an area (in all areas) they'd be 0 and wouldn't have any graph color for that category.
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He is on this team.
Better coverage in defensive zone in the slot area. Canes lived their last night.
Tough game for Trouba
Is Fox injured?
Replace Rempe with Brodzinski.
So far series is all about Rangers special teams
Is it a likely possibility? Maybe not, maybe even probably not. I don't know, and neither does Larry Brooks. The only people who actually know are Filip Chytil and Peter Laviolette.
One potential factor with Chytil vs Brod is that Brod is a straight swap. Chytil probably goes 3W, and bump down Cuylle.
lol, I'm not the author, I'm just the messenger.
1. McAvoy (BOS): 13
2. Lindholm (BOS): 11
3. Ekblad (FLA): 9
7. Heiskanen (DAL): 7
8. Carlo (BOS): 7
9. Toews (COL): 6
14. Schneider (NYR): 5
16. Hedman (TBL): 5
26. Gustafsson (NYR): 4
40. Fox (NYR): 3
42. Lindgren (NYR): 3
45. Miller (NYR): 3
57. Makar (COL): 2
89. Trouba (NYR): 1
Granted it was a brutal giveaway, and a bad overall game, but things are off IMO with the complaints due to what is warranted.
I felt better when the whipping boy was Panarin, but he crushed it this year, so I guess someone has to fill the void.
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pjacs, it doesn't matter what insight you provide...there are are Rangers fan posters here that will be complaining about their current whipping boy. Team could win 10 games in a row and they'll still be complaining about someone.
These same posters complained about Goodrow all year, who I defended all year. And how is he doing in the playoffs? Doing what he was brought in to do, and doing it well. So if they can't have Goodrow any longer as their whipping boy, they have to find anohter...so on to Trouba. It's just what they do, makes them feel good I guess.
If anyone should be negatively being talked about it is why Lavi still keeps putting Rempe in the lineup? I'm all for having him in there for his physicality. But if you are going to play him 5 shifts in a double OT game, then it is time to make a change. His few hits in 4 minutes of ice time aren't scaring Carolina and making a positive impact. Get someone else in the lineup that can actually be trusted to play hockey. Whether it is Chytil, or if he isn't ready yet...Brodzinski. Winning the cup is a marathon, we shouldn't be playng with essentally 11 forwards.
He's going to be the fourth Rangers captain to hoist the Stanley Cup, put some respect on his name.
Sure Igor has been great, but his 2.00 GAA is barely top 5 in the playoffs. Same with his save %.
Trocheck is tied for 3rd most in playoff points all while dominating the dots with almost 60% on face offs.
Additionally, he's tied for 3rd in the playoffs in PIMs drawn.
For Rangers forwards he's behind only Rempe and Cuylle in hits.
He fits the proverbial "tough to play against" mold to a T. Players you see in the playoffs that are sometimes called agitators, but when they have skill they can turn a series (like a Marchand or Tkachuk)
but he's way better
These same posters complained about Goodrow all year, who I defended all year. And how is he doing in the playoffs? Doing what he was brought in to do, and doing it well. So if they can't have Goodrow any longer as their whipping boy, they have to find anohter...so on to Trouba. It's just what they do, makes them feel good I guess."
Spot on. Can you imagine what it would be like if they weren't 6-0 for the tournament??
This. I regret nothing I said about Goodrow. The fact that he's playing better as of late is a great sign.
So far this series the NYR are putting on a clinic in zone entry and puck movement on the PP. CAR is very aggressive on the PK, they don't play a passive box like most teams where they give you the outside, they have an aggressive on the puck approach, but NYR players moved the puck so quickly and accurately the CAR PKers were basically just tiring themselves out.
It was a thing of beauty to watch for most NYR PP's whether they scored or not.
The Rangers PP coach (Peca?) has earned his money since that drought in mid-February or whenever it was and these guys are so cohesive right now they have elevated to that level of chemistry where they are in each others heads. It's hard to beat that level of execution.
But his skating limitations can get exposed and he's not a puck mover (though credit given for a pass to Mika in OT that could have been the winner). So he's never going to be an analytics darling over a large sample and it does feel like the puck is in his end a whole lot when he's out there. Blocked shots are helpful but when you're wracking up that many of them, that probably means the other team has the puck a lot when you're on the ice.
I think there's been some subtle acknowledgement of that by the coaching staff if you look at his ice time in the playoffs compared to the last two. But he still provides value and if you think you can just insert a Zac Jones into the lineup (who I like) and expect he wouldn't struggle to ramp up, I think you're crazy.
The contract is what it is. Evaluate his play in a vacuum to be fair. Last night was a horror show. Game 1 was very good and to that point in the playoffs he's been solid. Can't forget he came back from an injury late in the season. Never know what guys are dealing with this time of year.
Good post, Kyle.
Greg, Uncle Larry was just echoing CHP, almost verbatim, from days ago.
Those who figured Filip entry imminent playing Madden hockey. Lavvy is not crazy
What a difference a year and a coaching change has clearly made.
Great seeing # 72 back on the ice. He adds another dimension to their already deep lineup.
For those who make the trip to Nashville for work or pleasure, DraftKings opened a new place off Broadway on 2nd Ave and it’s the bomb for game viewing.
Tried Barstool Sports as well but it doesn’t compare in my opinion. Nice place but it caters more to conventional Nashville entertainment.