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NFT: Revisiting the Juan Soto trade

GeofromNJ : 5/8/2024 11:42 am
I realize it's early May, but I thought it might be interesting to see how the trade is working out for both sides. Recall the Yankees sent pitchers Michael King, Jhony Brito, Randy Vásquez, and Drew Thorpe along with catcher Kyle Higashioka to San Diego in exchange for Soto and Trent Grisham.

Currently with SD
* King is 3-3 with a 4.29 ERA
* Brito is 0-2 with a 4.91 ERA
* Vásquez is 0-1 with a 4.50 ERA
* SD traded Thorpe to the White Sox (along with three other players) for Dylan Cease.

Looking pretty good for the Yanks so far.
The important thing is Soto seems happy in NYC.  
BleedBlue46 : 5/8/2024 11:43 am : link
We need to sign him long term and get rid of the Stanton albatross. Soto and Judge could be an elite 1-2 punch for years here.
It only looks good  
k2tampa : 5/8/2024 11:51 am : link
if they can re-sign him and/or they win the series. Otherwise they trade 4 good, inexpensive, young pitchers for a one year rental.
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Danny Kanell : 5/8/2024 12:02 pm : link
It was a calculated gamble that they should make 10 times out of 10.

Soto is amazing and I know the prevailing thought is he will go to the highest bidder (and he probably will) but being in NY a year is looking like it's helping. I also think it's going to help the Yankees feel more comfortable giving him more than they probably would have if they didn't know how NY would affect him.

At this point, I'd be shocked if he goes elsewhere. Especially they go deep in the playoffs.

It feels like Soto and the Yankees (And Yankee fans) are a hell of match.
RE: .  
BleedBlue46 : 5/8/2024 12:04 pm : link
In comment 16509522 Danny Kanell said:
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It was a calculated gamble that they should make 10 times out of 10.

Soto is amazing and I know the prevailing thought is he will go to the highest bidder (and he probably will) but being in NY a year is looking like it's helping. I also think it's going to help the Yankees feel more comfortable giving him more than they probably would have if they didn't know how NY would affect him.

At this point, I'd be shocked if he goes elsewhere. Especially they go deep in the playoffs.

It feels like Soto and the Yankees (And Yankee fans) are a hell of match.


Agreed, and that's a good point about having this trial year to see how Soto does in NY. Steinbrenner will make his money back big time by investing in Soto.
it was a great trade by yankees  
Eric on Li : 5/8/2024 12:12 pm : link
i forget what the exact met equivalent was, probably something like scott, butto, megill, and one of their top position player prospects. i said id have done it then and then again a few weeks ago, hopefully scott makes that look like a stupid idea though.
RE: it was a great trade by yankees  
56goat : 5/8/2024 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16509527 Eric on Li said:
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i forget what the exact met equivalent was, probably something like scott, butto, megill, and one of their top position player prospects. i said id have done it then and then again a few weeks ago, hopefully scott makes that look like a stupid idea though.


Those multi-player for 1 superstar player typically works out better for the team getting the superstar. Hard to replace quality with quantity.
Having Soto in the line up  
AROCK1000 : 5/8/2024 12:31 pm : link
Has changed everything for us,when he hits....we win
Pretty simple
I knew Soto was good, but I didn't think he'd be this good.  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/8/2024 12:50 pm : link
Now that he's here the best way I can describe him is Wade Boggs with speed and power. Like Wade Boggs in the 90's he elevated the whole team with his pitch selective approach to hitting. Like Wade Boggs he seems to get favorable calls from the umps. If Boggs took a close pitch, it must be a ball. I'm seeing the same thing with Soto. If Soto thought he saw a balk, waddya know, it was a balk.

Also, most big offseason Yankee acquisitions struggle when they first get here. Not Soto. Not only did he come storming out of the gate, but he's helped Volpe , Cabrera and possibly others up their game.
here's the long and lengthy list  
djm : 5/8/2024 1:04 pm : link
of players the Yankees lost to FA that they didn't want to lose to FA:
















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Ty
As someone who has never been hesitant to criticize Cashman  
AJ23 : 5/8/2024 1:44 pm : link
he nailed this offseason.

- Soto for all of the reasons above.
- Verdugo (1 year, $8m) has turned LF from the Yankees worst position to one of its best, and has brought an incredible energy to the dugout
- Luke Weaver (1 year, $2m with team option for 2 years, $8.25m) has been electric at times and is probably my second favorite player in the bullpen right now
- Victor Gonzalez has been excellent, and I know some people were miffed we gave up Trey Sweeney in that deal but he's batting .246 at AAA with no power and had no chance here
It’s hard to imagine another example of another acquisition  
mfsd : 5/8/2024 2:04 pm : link
pretty much single handedly fixing a lineup like Soto has.

Sure Volpe taking a leap, Verdugo having good ABs and Stanton and Rizzo having a good game here and there helps, but the Yanks were desperate for a big time lefty bat, patience and working counts, and some new blood/fire in the clubhouse. Soto has given them all of that
Soto was a great acquisition and I see no reason to believe that he  
Ira : 5/8/2024 2:08 pm : link
won't stay here.
RE: RE: .  
MNP70 : 5/8/2024 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16509523 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16509522 Danny Kanell said:


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It was a calculated gamble that they should make 10 times out of 10.

Soto is amazing and I know the prevailing thought is he will go to the highest bidder (and he probably will) but being in NY a year is looking like it's helping. I also think it's going to help the Yankees feel more comfortable giving him more than they probably would have if they didn't know how NY would affect him.

At this point, I'd be shocked if he goes elsewhere. Especially they go deep in the playoffs.

It feels like Soto and the Yankees (And Yankee fans) are a hell of match.



Agreed, and that's a good point about having this trial year to see how Soto does in NY. Steinbrenner will make his money back big time by investing in Soto.


I have to believe that there was a serious indication that Soto would sign long term (wink wink) if he had a good season. Not every star can succeed in NY. Soto is proving himself that he can and the Stanks will certainly make $ on this.
One of Cashman's better moves in some time. I'm cautiously optimistic  
Strahan91 : 5/8/2024 2:41 pm : link
they'll keep him. Only chance I see of him leaving is if some time offers a ridiculously absurd contract that isn't close to what others are offering.
RE: here's the long and lengthy list  
k2tampa : 5/8/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16509582 djm said:
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of players the Yankees lost to FA that they didn't want to lose to FA:
















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Ty


If you're talking about Yankees players they failed to re-sign:
Cano, Pettitte, Clemens, Nelson, Wetteland, Key, Gossage, Jackson, and those were almost all when George was around and willing to spend money.

If you're talking about free agents they wanted to sign and failed: Ohtani, Yamamoto, Imanaga just in the last off-season, Damon (when he left KC). Then there was Moncada. The Yankees also wanted Montas back.
RE: As someone who has never been hesitant to criticize Cashman  
GeofromNJ : 5/8/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16509629 AJ23 said:
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he nailed this offseason.

- Soto for all of the reasons above.
- Verdugo (1 year, $8m) has turned LF from the Yankees worst position to one of its best, and has brought an incredible energy to the dugout
- Luke Weaver (1 year, $2m with team option for 2 years, $8.25m) has been electric at times and is probably my second favorite player in the bullpen right now
- Victor Gonzalez has been excellent, and I know some people were miffed we gave up Trey Sweeney in that deal but he's batting .246 at AAA with no power and had no chance here

Verdugo - Couldn't agree more. Almost a steal. Terrific fielder and a clutch hitter. And this notion of being a bad teammate - I don't get that at all.
Cashman still needs to go  
AROCK1000 : 5/8/2024 3:31 pm : link
...
maybe Soto  
Giantsfan79 : 5/8/2024 4:01 pm : link
can go through a little slump to knock $50 million off his next contract.

Otherwise by how much more money do you think he gets over Ohtani's 10 year $700 million deal?
also not a total win  
Giantsfan79 : 5/8/2024 4:03 pm : link
Trent Grisham is hitting .071/.212/.179 in 15 games this year
RE: RE: As someone who has never been hesitant to criticize Cashman  
k2tampa : 5/8/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16509701 GeofromNJ said:
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In comment 16509629 AJ23 said:


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he nailed this offseason.

- Soto for all of the reasons above.
- Verdugo (1 year, $8m) has turned LF from the Yankees worst position to one of its best, and has brought an incredible energy to the dugout
- Luke Weaver (1 year, $2m with team option for 2 years, $8.25m) has been electric at times and is probably my second favorite player in the bullpen right now
- Victor Gonzalez has been excellent, and I know some people were miffed we gave up Trey Sweeney in that deal but he's batting .246 at AAA with no power and had no chance here


Verdugo - Couldn't agree more. Almost a steal. Terrific fielder and a clutch hitter. And this notion of being a bad teammate - I don't get that at all.


Thorpe has an ERA of 0.50, a 28 percent K rate and was Southern League pitcher of the month.
Soto is better than I thought  
section125 : 5/8/2024 4:14 pm : link
he would be. Superstar is correct. Better OF than I thought. The guy simply loves to play baseball. That is infectious.

Verdugo is much better than I thought he would be - thought it was a bad idea. WRONG. Very good OF with a VG arm - actually stronger than Judge. Really works the count. I think he is in a good place now. I think Judge stabilizes the club house. If Verdugo keeps this up they should offer an extension. Best LF since Gardy.

Bury the bastids again today!
Verdugo has always had talent  
Greg from LI : 5/8/2024 4:39 pm : link
His problem was between his ears. Hopefully getting kicked to the curb by the Sawx was a wakeup call for him.

Soto is a machine at the plate. I knew he was great but I didn't appreciate how great until I started watching him all the time. I don't see how the Yankees can let him leave. Pay that man his money.
RE: RE: here's the long and lengthy list  
GeofromNJ : 5/8/2024 4:43 pm : link
In comment 16509695 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16509582 djm said:


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of players the Yankees lost to FA that they didn't want to lose to FA:

If you're talking about Yankees players they failed to re-sign:
Cano, Pettitte, Clemens, Nelson, Wetteland, Key, Gossage, Jackson, and those were almost all when George was around and willing to spend money.

If you're talking about free agents they wanted to sign and failed: Ohtani, Yamamoto, Imanaga just in the last off-season, Damon (when he left KC). Then there was Moncada. The Yankees also wanted Montas back.

"If you're talking about Yankees players they failed to re-sign:
Cano, Pettitte, Clemens, Nelson, Wetteland, Key, Gossage, Jackson, and those were almost all when George was around and willing to spend money."

Not resigning Jackson was the biggest mistake. I guess Billy didn't want him back and George trusted Billy. I didn't, but George apparently did. Wetteland (or his wife) wanted to go back to Texas. I would have given Cano ten years. Yeah, the last four would have been wasted money, but the Yankees might have won one or two WS if they had had Cano. Not resigning Pettite was an obvious mistake. A decent offer would have kept him in NY given that he signed with the Astros for less money that was offered by the Red Sox.
RE: RE: RE: As someone who has never been hesitant to criticize Cashman  
shyster : 5/8/2024 6:02 pm : link
In comment 16509811 k2tampa said:
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Thorpe has an ERA of 0.50, a 28 percent K rate and was Southern League pitcher of the month.


Yes, I was going to say, the fact the Padres traded Thorpe is not a reason to dismiss him and not follow up on how he's doing. Which happens to be extremely well.

Not that anyone is clamoring to give back Soto, but if one is re-examining the trade, Thorpe is a major part, arguably the most significant piece.
Players lost to FA that the yanks wanted to keep revisited:  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/8/2024 7:32 pm : link
Cano: definitely
Pettite: maybe

Thats it.

They offered a boatload of money to Cano but he bolted to Seattle for an obscene, at the time contract. Pettite is more uncertain. Cashman made him a lowball offer and wouldn't come up from that, but he signed with Houston for not much more. There was speculation that Pettite had made up his mind to go home to Texas, and Cashman wasn't willing to bid more just so he could get more money from someone else. Nelson, Wettland and Gossage they made no serious effort to keep, Key retired,
and Reggie was all but run out of town.
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