Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
But if you point out that other teams with mediocre-to-bad supporting casts on the very same chart have QBs who still put up numbers, that will be ignored.
to know that he's not the answer. That argument has gotten way too much mileage by his supporters. That said, there are also some who have taken it to the extreme. To suggest that DJ is anything but the worst QB ever to step out on a field is heresy.
The quote is old, but the article and analytics aren't. (And this was posted and discussed yesterday). The quote was used to reinforce what the numbers showed. It wasn't used to determine the rankings.
I'm just glad we can have fresh, new, discussions here on bbi
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
i see so presenting an article and citing it whether timely, acurate or not is irrelevant . thanks for the intelligent discussion
By a lot of folks on here, but its even worse than those statistics illustrate because it doesn’t take in the fact that injuries to the offensive line and wide recivers have caused mass confusion over major stretches where number 8,9, and 10 receivers are put into play major roles. Offensive lineman brought in to play left tackle off the couch. They think that because Devito and Tyrod had some success, even though things had settled down dramatically and we played much, much lesser teams.
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
By a lot of folks on here, but its even worse than those statistics illustrate because it doesn’t take in the fact that injuries to the offensive line and wide recivers have caused mass confusion over major stretches where number 8,9, and 10 receivers are put into play major roles. Offensive lineman brought in to play left tackle off the couch. They think that because Devito and Tyrod had some success, even though things had settled down dramatically and we played much, much lesser teams.
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
You are not allowed to be reasonable on this topic. Only black and whites, no grey areas sir.
The 2 years he was in the 20s and not 30s, he played much better….2019 his rookie year, and 2022, his playoff year.
So what could that possibly mean? Maybe Jones plays better when his supporting cast is better…..
No, it can’t possibly mean that….that would put much of the blame for Jones’ bad years on others rather than himself. Not a popular thing to conclude on this site, is it?
thoroughly thought-out article. That presents so many facts.
"Instead, they were left to address their many other roster needs, which is what they should have been doing all along."
Yeah instead of trying to help him we've been trying to replace him by spending on UDFA QB and paying $5M to a competent backup.
RE: RE: you are citing an article with a quote from John Mara
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Taylor makes $5m a year and Tommy is even cheaper. They played with pretty much (90%) of the same staff and not only did they look better but they also made the WRs looks better. Even if you say that both of those guys had better support, it still leaves you with $35M to get that support and essentially that $35M plus the inept Tommy Devito >> DJ.. so I am sorry most people don't want to pay someone who will replicate Tommy's performance on a good day with another $120M over the next 3 years..
RE: RE: you are citing an article with a quote from John Mara
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Yes, and so has he. Yeah, the team was bad, but it would have looked at least somewhat better if your hero could throw the end zone fade, the seam route, could spot a receiver more than 10 yards downfield and didn't wing the ball over the receiver in the flat's head or at his feet 50% of the time. The only route he can throw consistently well is the slant and -pro tip- DC's know that.
5 seasons of mediocrity and excuses and counting. The only person looking to prove he's right is you. Save us the bullshit.
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Just watch football games not just Giants games and the talent deficit on this roster that last several years has been stark…. Bottom 5 OL/WR/TE group. It’s been a problem well before DJ.
is no longer relevant to me. I’ve been saying since his second neck injury, if he had a clue, he would retire.
He has just as much chance as being taken off the field on a stretcher this year, as he does becoming an acceptable QB.
If the former happens, the PR nightmare for this organization will be incalculable.
They are taking a BIG risk if they go with Jones this fall.
1) The team around Jones has been bad
2) Jones is a bad QB
Concur.
What Schoen has decided, however, is that #1 is the bigger culprit and if he can solve that, Jones will reach a level of play that most of us can't imagine.
1) The team around Jones has been bad
2) Jones is a bad QB
Concur.
What Schoen has decided, however, is that #1 is the bigger culprit and if he can solve that, Jones will reach a level of play that most of us can't imagine.
Both are true. DJ's play doesn't pass the eye test, regardless of what statistics people throw around, and as Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are - DJ isn't a successful QB. Quit making BS excuses.
More importantly, DJ's serious injury history means we need to be ready to move on ASAP. IMHO, if DJ starts the year, unlikely he finishes it upright and our backup plan is less than inspiring unless we are counting on Lock to be something he hasn't been so far in his career.
A one read QB, he is severely limited even if he can be successful in the short run. Add the fact that he doesn't take chances deep. He's a very predictable QB. I think that was the biggest difference b been last year and this year. The defenses figured him out.
Just watch football games not just Giants games and the talent deficit on this roster that last several years has been stark…. Bottom 5 OL/WR/TE group. It’s been a problem well before DJ.
Are we allowed to watch other QBs or just the other 10 players on offense?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Carry one with the excuses as per usual.
Excuses are like assholes. Everyone has them and they all stink.
the same supporting class, but were far more successful. The DJFC hates that.
This is literally the dumbest quote ever.
What QB has success the 1st 9 games of the year last year. You know, the ones with Andrew Thomas out of the lineup and Ezeudu in his place. I'm still waiting for someone to answer this for me. I don't think Jones is some great QB. He's a middle of the road NFL starter. But I have to say, Only an idiot would think that Taylor and Devito are better than Jones at this point.
OMG. This is going to be day after day after day after day after day af....
RE: RE: you are citing an article with a quote from John Mara
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Twice in 62 games has he led this team from the front and made something happen. The colts game, and the vikings game.
Two times in 62 starts he's been able to drive the car somewhere. For as much crying as we can do for the challenges he's had to play around, he's also made players look worse than they are.
By a lot of folks on here, but its even worse than those statistics illustrate because it doesn’t take in the fact that injuries to the offensive line and wide recivers have caused mass confusion over major stretches where number 8,9, and 10 receivers are put into play major roles. Offensive lineman brought in to play left tackle off the couch. They think that because Devito and Tyrod had some success, even though things had settled down dramatically and we played much, much lesser teams.
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
If if if if if. That sums up Daniel Jones alright.
Fucking ridiculous that a QB this mediocre continues to get the benefit of the doubt when he doesn’t deserve it.
...people tried so hard to prop up a lousy Duke QB who should never have been drafted in the first place...jeez Louise...the excuses. You know what, fine, keep this overpaid mook as the G-Men's QB for 7-8-9-10 years. And just keep on making excuses every year. What the heck happened to trying to be excellent and win a Super Bowl every year?
...people tried so hard to prop up a lousy Duke QB who should never have been drafted in the first place...jeez Louise...the excuses. You know what, fine, keep this overpaid mook as the G-Men's QB for 7-8-9-10 years. And just keep on making excuses every year. What the heck happened to trying to be excellent and win a Super Bowl every year?
There are people who post here who insist that the team that's done nothing but lose football games for a decade, and employed one of the worst football GMs of the last 25 years, *insist* that they made the correct choice on a QB, he just hasn't had a fair circumstance in 5 years.
They couldn't recall 5 games he's played that are memorable out of 62 starts.
A handful of QBs can overcome that. DJ can't.
I'm looking forward to giving him a chance with what we have this year.
No more excuses.
SO, this year we go 7-10 and the Giants FO brag that they have done better. Joens passing stats are better because Nabors is an off-the charts Wr.
Now we are too far away to draft a top QB, and our team has a definite ceiling. Then we'll hear the same tired comments from psoters next year that we've heard for many years.
"No more excuses . . ." As we see DJ or another mediocre come out next year while watching at least of the the QB's we passed on this year perform well with a bright future going forward.
RE: RE: RE: you are citing an article with a quote from John Mara
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Twice in 62 games has he led this team from the front and made something happen. The colts game, and the vikings game.
Two times in 62 starts he's been able to drive the car somewhere. For as much crying as we can do for the challenges he's had to play around, he's also made players look worse than they are.
He's not good enough.
Well, just off the top of my head I can think of 3 more. GB in England, 2022, 92-yard drive, WO SB to win. Saints 2021 OT win. Arizona 2023, great 2nd half. I know still not enough. Also, I'm sure if I wanted to plow through all 62 games I could find more.
Everyone loves to cite the 2nd half of the Arizona game
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Learn from this. Stop trying to take a flawed yet talented QB and expect him to elevate a shit show. It won't work.
Learn from this. Stop trying to take a flawed yet talented QB and expect him to elevate a shit show. It won't work.
Correct.
The quote is old, but the article and analytics aren't. (And this was posted and discussed yesterday). The quote was used to reinforce what the numbers showed. It wasn't used to determine the rankings.
I'm looking forward to giving him a chance with what we have this year.
No more excuses.
I'm looking forward to giving him a chance with what we have this year.
No more excuses.
The Jones cult has been saying no more excuses after every off-season and then after the season all we get are excuses.
Quote:
that is more than two years old?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
i see so presenting an article and citing it whether timely, acurate or not is irrelevant . thanks for the intelligent discussion
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
You are not allowed to be reasonable on this topic. Only black and whites, no grey areas sir.
So what could that possibly mean? Maybe Jones plays better when his supporting cast is better…..
No, it can’t possibly mean that….that would put much of the blame for Jones’ bad years on others rather than himself. Not a popular thing to conclude on this site, is it?
Daniel Jones conspiracy theory. - ( New Window )
"Instead, they were left to address their many other roster needs, which is what they should have been doing all along."
Yeah instead of trying to help him we've been trying to replace him by spending on UDFA QB and paying $5M to a competent backup.
Quote:
that is more than two years old?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Taylor makes $5m a year and Tommy is even cheaper. They played with pretty much (90%) of the same staff and not only did they look better but they also made the WRs looks better. Even if you say that both of those guys had better support, it still leaves you with $35M to get that support and essentially that $35M plus the inept Tommy Devito >> DJ.. so I am sorry most people don't want to pay someone who will replicate Tommy's performance on a good day with another $120M over the next 3 years..
Quote:
that is more than two years old?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
5 seasons of mediocrity and excuses and counting. The only person looking to prove he's right is you. Save us the bullshit.
Somehow I feel that his supporters will still make excuses if he produces less than 1.5 TDs per game like he did during his best year.
What a bizarre time period this will be remembered as.
And people say NY is harder to play in versus other areas of the country. You get more chances here then anywhere lol
Quote:
that is more than two years old?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Just watch football games not just Giants games and the talent deficit on this roster that last several years has been stark…. Bottom 5 OL/WR/TE group. It’s been a problem well before DJ.
2) Jones is a bad QB
He has just as much chance as being taken off the field on a stretcher this year, as he does becoming an acceptable QB.
If the former happens, the PR nightmare for this organization will be incalculable.
They are taking a BIG risk if they go with Jones this fall.
2) Jones is a bad QB
Concur.
What Schoen has decided, however, is that #1 is the bigger culprit and if he can solve that, Jones will reach a level of play that most of us can't imagine.
Quote:
1) The team around Jones has been bad
2) Jones is a bad QB
Concur.
What Schoen has decided, however, is that #1 is the bigger culprit and if he can solve that, Jones will reach a level of play that most of us can't imagine.
Both are true. DJ's play doesn't pass the eye test, regardless of what statistics people throw around, and as Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are - DJ isn't a successful QB. Quit making BS excuses.
More importantly, DJ's serious injury history means we need to be ready to move on ASAP. IMHO, if DJ starts the year, unlikely he finishes it upright and our backup plan is less than inspiring unless we are counting on Lock to be something he hasn't been so far in his career.
Just watch football games not just Giants games and the talent deficit on this roster that last several years has been stark…. Bottom 5 OL/WR/TE group. It’s been a problem well before DJ.
Are we allowed to watch other QBs or just the other 10 players on offense?
Quote:
that is more than two years old?
Do you really need to read an article, quote or anecdote to buy into this theory?
Watch the games. I don't care if Jones can't walk and chew gum at the same time. His team has fucking sucked save for one season and one season only, surprise, that season was 2022.
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Carry on. Some of you will need to prove how right you are again. This is a good thread for it.
Carry one with the excuses as per usual.
Excuses are like assholes. Everyone has them and they all stink.
This is literally the dumbest quote ever.
What QB has success the 1st 9 games of the year last year. You know, the ones with Andrew Thomas out of the lineup and Ezeudu in his place. I'm still waiting for someone to answer this for me. I don't think Jones is some great QB. He's a middle of the road NFL starter. But I have to say, Only an idiot would think that Taylor and Devito are better than Jones at this point.
OMG. This is going to be day after day after day after day after day af....
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Twice in 62 games has he led this team from the front and made something happen. The colts game, and the vikings game.
Two times in 62 starts he's been able to drive the car somewhere. For as much crying as we can do for the challenges he's had to play around, he's also made players look worse than they are.
He's not good enough.
Because its not cool to say out loud:
- DJ has had too may injuries so we need a new QB and…
- it is possible that If injury free, DJ could have a very good year with a mid level supporting cast this year instead of a historically bad one.
- with that said, he may not be good enough to take us to a Super Bowl based upon the evidence so far including injuries.
Could those three things be true? Absolutely.
I would like to see one 8-9 game stretch for DJ to be with a mid level group with an average injury situation. He has never come close to having that.
If he does poorly, then let him go. Lets see if people can be honest with themselves or just want to say the cool things.
If if if if if. That sums up Daniel Jones alright.
Fucking ridiculous that a QB this mediocre continues to get the benefit of the doubt when he doesn’t deserve it.
There are people who post here who insist that the team that's done nothing but lose football games for a decade, and employed one of the worst football GMs of the last 25 years, *insist* that they made the correct choice on a QB, he just hasn't had a fair circumstance in 5 years.
They couldn't recall 5 games he's played that are memorable out of 62 starts.
I'm looking forward to giving him a chance with what we have this year.
No more excuses.
SO, this year we go 7-10 and the Giants FO brag that they have done better. Joens passing stats are better because Nabors is an off-the charts Wr.
Now we are too far away to draft a top QB, and our team has a definite ceiling. Then we'll hear the same tired comments from psoters next year that we've heard for many years.
"No more excuses . . ." As we see DJ or another mediocre come out next year while watching at least of the the QB's we passed on this year perform well with a bright future going forward.
Quote:
H's never had a good defense here. IS that DJ's fault? His OL has been comically bad save for 2022. His WRs have been average at best and that's being kind. Save me the bullshit.
Twice in 62 games has he led this team from the front and made something happen. The colts game, and the vikings game.
Two times in 62 starts he's been able to drive the car somewhere. For as much crying as we can do for the challenges he's had to play around, he's also made players look worse than they are.
He's not good enough.
Well, just off the top of my head I can think of 3 more. GB in England, 2022, 92-yard drive, WO SB to win. Saints 2021 OT win. Arizona 2023, great 2nd half. I know still not enough. Also, I'm sure if I wanted to plow through all 62 games I could find more.