This game was two full games ago for Daniel Jones. After this win, he only played a full game at SF and the MNF disaster against SEA. He did not finish the Miami or LV games.
It's amazing where we are now vs where we were then (two full games ago) for the QB situation with this team.
Eric mentioned on the other thread I posted about how everyone is now piling on with Jones. To add to his point, it's really amazing how quickly it turned for him here.
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(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Which leaves us inQB limbo for the foreseeable future
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
(1) and (2) they would look like morons for giving him the contract, but if none of the QB's drafted in Round 1 look like they would have done better and Nabers looks like a talent that can help a future QB I am not sure they would be morons for bypassing a QB in Round 1
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Except Terps, he’ll be in hiding doing his best grumpy cat impression.
Daniel Jones will get to play the 6th year of his scholarship in 2024. We can have this conversation again after that.
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.(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Except Terps, he’ll be in hiding doing his best grumpy cat impression.
Unfortunately we cannot play a team that was worse than us all the time.
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.(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Except Terps, he’ll be in hiding doing his best grumpy cat impression.
Unfortunately we cannot play a team that was worse than us all the time.
My post was just aimed at Eric’s last point there. Am I expecting Jones to turn it around? No. Would I be happy if he did? Absolutely.
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
I think #1 is the eventual outcome, Giants play is between awful and mediocre but not sure DJ gets benched.
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.(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Except Terps, he’ll be in hiding doing his best grumpy cat impression.
Unfortunately we cannot play a team that was worse than us all the time.
I think some of the teams we played were laughing so hard after watching the film they forgot to start playing.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
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This is actually the BEST CASE SCENARIO
The flaws in his game have been there since Duke and will not change. On top of that, his health is a ticking time bomb that is LIKELY to go off at any time.
The big fallacy of this off season is was, knowing that there were only 3 QBs (in their estimation) worth drafting, AND they were long shots at best, they needed to bring in better competition than Drew Lock (unless they REALLY think he can be a functional QB for them).
This decision “could” be a fatal one for Schoen. He knows what Jones is, and that should have told him he doesn’t have a viable professional QB on the roster.
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
(5) He plays his ass off and the HC loses more games than he wins.
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this could go a number of different ways for Jones:
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
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(5) He plays his ass off and the HC loses more games than he wins.
You're right, Daboll isn't good enough for Daniel Jones. Neither was Judge or Shurmur or Garrett or Kafka, I'm losing track. We'll never know how good Daniel Jones is until he has Sean McVay coaching him. We'll need CeeDee Lamb, Travis Kelce, and Slater on the right side. Then maybe we can evaluate Jones. Though I'm not sure those guys are good enough.
He never shifts blame.
He always encourages his teammates.
He works extremely hard and is laser focus.
The kid is made of the right stuff.
He doesn't use excuses, so why should we?
he has big shoulders
He is not dunb....he knows he has a short leash and is on his last shot.
My general experiences is that once people dig in to a position, that's it, they're committed. We see that with the DJFC.
I'll give them this though --it's extremely unlikely that it will come to that (though not impossible).
I just don't see it happening @ all.
Jones is now at best an expensive "bridge starter" for one, maybe two, years at the most. And that assumes he starts week one, which despite what the Giants are saying, certainly isn't a given. He might not be ready, or Lock might beat him out.
If if if if if. Jones sycophants ‘if’ non stop and don’t even realize that the buffoonery of the argument basically boils down to the perfect amalgamation of events happening for him to have success. It’s unfuckingbelieveable how obtuse these people are.
He never shifts blame.
He always encourages his teammates.
He works extremely hard and is laser focus.
The kid is made of the right stuff.
He doesn't use excuses, so why should we?
he has big shoulders
He is not dunb....he knows he has a short leash and is on his last shot.
If I showed you a QB that's done nothing but lose and be unproductive after sixty-two games, you'd bet against that every time. It's the color of the jersey that's getting you.
He never shifts blame.
He always encourages his teammates.
He works extremely hard and is laser focus.
The kid is made of the right stuff.
He doesn't use excuses, so why should we?
he has big shoulders
He is not dunb....he knows he has a short leash and is on his last shot.
All of this and yet, he’s still one of the worst QBs in the NFL.
But hey! He threw 15 touchdowns one season and won a playoff game!
I just don't see it happening @ all.
Yeah, unfortunately SFGFNCGiantsFan, I agree with you there. I don't really see it either.
Notice none of it is about his on the field performance. It's all about him being a good dude, hard worker, beloved teammate, isn't dumb...
Like, WTF are we doing? Are we trying to win football games or trotting out a team of scholars/choir boys?
He isn't a good NFL QB. That's not an attack on his character. It's just a fact.
Good Lord. The Jones era has broken so many brains.
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this could go a number of different ways for Jones:
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
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(5) He plays his ass off and the HC loses more games than he wins.
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More fucking excuses. Hilarious.
Notice none of it is about his on the field performance. It's all about him being a good dude, hard worker, beloved teammate, isn't dumb...
Like, WTF are we doing? Are we trying to win football games or trotting out a team of scholars/choir boys?
He isn't a good NFL QB. That's not an attack on his character. It's just a fact.
Good Lord. The Jones era has broken so many brains.
I think sane people here know where the ‘dumb’ resides.
Even #3 isn’t going to be enough to argue another “let’s see what Year 7 can bring”.
D.Jones is currently on the Giants.....will more than likely start.....
you can't wish him away.
You think he sucks...ok. so what? Your feeling don't matter.
I plan to go to each game and hope whatever Daboll plans.....is successful
I hopes he succeeds....and if he fails, next man up.
The crybabies on this site are comical.....you would be the first I would throw off the liferaft as tirage to save the most lives.
They did beat Dallas last year.
The doom and gloom are comical. The people who run the team decided that the 4th QB wasn’t going to be better than Jones. There was no other option. We couldn’t trade up to get one of the top 3. Forcing a QB pick is what gets a team in trouble. Unless QB 4, 5 or 6 become top 10 QBs it was the right move. Nabers was rated higher in most rankings than any of those QBs and some rated him as the top player overall.
Jones will either play well or he won’t be here next year or until a better option comes along. The idea that we have to get the #1 overall pick to get a QB is silly. I believe that the situation a WB lands has as much to do with their success as their talent.
Sit back and enjoy the ride. Watch the team come together.
Sorry you take a 6 win team so personally lol yep this is gonna be the year Jones turns things around and becomes that franchise QB. Haven't heard that one before. Keep believing. Got the Rangers and Knicks more to worry about.
The problem with the comparison is that Simms was already better than DJ before his injuries started. DJ has had his moments but hasn’t established a high level of play. Plus his injuries seem to have hampered his throwing. I don’t think he’ll get all the way back, never mind improve. The Giants seem to agree. They are almost surely scheming to get a new starting QB. They won’t say so though.
The problem with the comparison is that Simms was already better than DJ before his injuries started. DJ has had his moments but hasn’t established a high level of play. Plus his injuries seem to have hampered his throwing. I don’t think he’ll get all the way back, never mind improve. The Giants seem to agree. They are almost surely scheming to get a new starting QB. They won’t say so though.
Couldn't disagree more. Certainly numerically Simms was much worse. I don't think stats matter much especially comparing across eras, but Simms was a turnover machine who would reliably lose every close game with an interception until 1986. I love Phil (who here doesn't) but he was hated every bit as much as DJ prior to getting healthy and really the 1986 run. It should surprise no one that Parcells decided to start Brunner over him. If BBI had existed back then my guess is 95% of the posters would have agreed.
#3 is bad if you are eager to move on from Jones. It opens the possibility, maybe the likelihood, that Jones is still QB in 2025. Hopefully it's a scenario where we can keep improving the offense.
2). If healthy, he is in the top 10 - 20 range as a QB. Which is exactly what he is paid like. The hate on Schoen for the contract is really silly. The big mistake was not giving him his option year, which everyone here was on board with.
3). The Seattle game was the real disaster. The Dallas game no one was playing well. He was not good but not bad in SF. He lost us Seattle.
We all ought to root for him to have a great season. I expect him to continue to be mediocre if healthy, which means it will be time to cut bait since we owe him $30MM if he stays in 2025.
It certainly has been a hellish time to be a Giants fan since 2012. But anyone who thinks that QB hell has been the primary cause is just not very good at thinking about football. DJ hasn't helped. But the problem has been in order: DG, Coaching, Talent (esp. OL). And DG more than anything else.
The crybabies on this site are comical.....you would be the first I would throw off the liferaft as tirage to save the most lives.
2). If healthy, he is in the top 10 - 20 range as a QB. Which is exactly what he is paid like. The hate on Schoen for the contract is really silly. The big mistake was not giving him his option year, which everyone here was on board with.
3). The Seattle game was the real disaster. The Dallas game no one was playing well. He was not good but not bad in SF. He lost us Seattle.
We all ought to root for him to have a great season. I expect him to continue to be mediocre if healthy, which means it will be time to cut bait since we owe him $30MM if he stays in 2025.
It certainly has been a hellish time to be a Giants fan since 2012. But anyone who thinks that QB hell has been the primary cause is just not very good at thinking about football. DJ hasn't helped. But the problem has been in order: DG, Coaching, Talent (esp. OL). And DG more than anything else.
id reverse the order of problems a bit but more or less this is on target.
bad hiring decisions is #1. starts from mara and with bad head coaches, though gms making poor decisions clearly impacted the head coaching decisions.
if the guys picking/coaching all the players suck, very little any individual player can to do to overcome that.
Is any of that unfair?
How come you cannot see this is different and that we have a plan.
Oh yeah, they do not seem to agree with your QB evaluation, so they must be stupid or are being controlled by a meddlesome owner.
A convenient EXCUSE when your narrative does not support the actions of the team.
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Pulling for option 4
(1) He suffers another serious injury and the Giants look like morons.
(2) He plays like crap and/or gets benched. Giants look like morons, especially if Lock or DeVito don't rescue them.
(3) The improved OL and WRs cause him to regain a 2022 like form where he is middle-of-the-pack for a team hovering around .500.
(4) Jones looks like he did against the Cardinals and a bunch of us are eating a shit sandwich, but we'll be happy as fans.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
Banged the QB drum all offseason but thats over for the moment. Truth is we should ALL be rooting to take a big ol bite of that shit sandwich. I'd be more than happy to be wrong.
So what?
Rooting for Jones to be a good player isn't going to make him one.
Wake me up when Jones cooks a very good defensive team.
We do not want Jones to fail....and as your feelings are not a fact....we will remain hopeful.
Until proven otherwise.
Go take a hiatus...maybe go to the Jets with Rodgers....or as Cowboy fans that are now leaning toward KC.
And take you gloom and doom with you.
You will be welcome back when the Jones experiment ends....which can be very soon....or not
We do not want Jones to fail....and as your feelings are not a fact....we will remain hopeful.
Until proven otherwise.
Go take a hiatus...maybe go to the Jets with Rodgers....or as Cowboy fans that are now leaning toward KC.
And take you gloom and doom with you.
You will be welcome back when the Jones experiment ends....which can be very soon....or not
Alternatively you can take a hiatus from Daniel Jones threads, because they're going to be about how he sucks. Because, you know, he sucks.
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I was at that game. I know it was a good comeback and everything, but that Arizona roster was just garbage, top to bottom. Just glad they came back and we all didn't have to wait until October 15th to witness the challenging task of winning their first game of the year, like previous seasons.
They did beat Dallas last year.
The doom and gloom are comical. The people who run the team decided that the 4th QB wasn’t going to be better than Jones. There was no other option. We couldn’t trade up to get one of the top 3. Forcing a QB pick is what gets a team in trouble. Unless QB 4, 5 or 6 become top 10 QBs it was the right move. Nabers was rated higher in most rankings than any of those QBs and some rated him as the top player overall.
Jones will either play well or he won’t be here next year or until a better option comes along. The idea that we have to get the #1 overall pick to get a QB is silly. I believe that the situation a WB lands has as much to do with their success as their talent.
Sit back and enjoy the ride. Watch the team come together.
Drugs are bad.
The crybabies on this site are comical.....you would be the first I would throw off the liferaft as tirage to save the most lives.
Yeah…I don’t think you’’d be smart enough to have that option, all things considered.
So what?
Rooting for Jones to be a good player isn't going to make him one.
Get some sun Eeyore.