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steve in ky : 5/10/2024 4:45 pm
Next man up, go Knicks!
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Swizzle : 5/11/2024 6:53 pm : link
I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.
RE: RE: Booker has always been the perfect fit.  
Jon In NYC : 5/11/2024 6:55 pm : link
In comment 16512387 nygiants16 said:
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.



Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..

I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..

The guy i still would love is Paul George..


I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
RE: RE: RE: Booker has always been the perfect fit.  
Jon In NYC : 5/11/2024 6:55 pm : link
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.



Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..

I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..

The guy i still would love is Paul George..



I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation


Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too

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steve in ky : 5/11/2024 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16512409 Swizzle said:
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I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.


I guy made a desperation three he had no business making or the Knicks may have won it. They had a very real shot at going up 3-0 in the series, it would have been dumb to just give up on trying to win.
seems like an overlap in skillset  
Enzo : 5/11/2024 7:06 pm : link
between OG and Bridges.
RE: seems like an overlap in skillset  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16512416 Enzo said:
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between OG and Bridges.


Randle would be traded in that sitatuation..

You have 2 elite 3 and d wings both can create a little bit when needed..

Divencenzo at the 2 is another elite shooter..

Complete spacing for Brunson to work..
RE: RE: RE: RE: Booker has always been the perfect fit.  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16512412 Jon In NYC said:
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.



Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..

I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..

The guy i still would love is Paul George..



I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation



Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too


I think if you built it right, i dont think you would necassarily need another elite creator
Booker would be a perfect fit but  
steve in ky : 5/11/2024 7:27 pm : link
I’d hate to trade a lot of picks for guys that wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over Dante.

They need another big, hopefully they can draft someone with potential that can back up Randle and maybe some minutes at center if needed
RE: RE: RE: Yeah the national media’s behavior  
CooperDash : 5/11/2024 7:32 pm : link
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is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.



When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..

Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team



Not counting on it. ESPN was jerking off Indiana this AM when I was watching No OG and Julius and they still could have won and they act like Indy deserved huge credit giving none to the Knicks


Yeah, I have to agree. And it’s not even a “New York” thing…it’s a “Knicks” thing. The media was overflowing with praise for the Nets in 2018/19. I mean, they were HORRIBLE for years until they played .500 ball that season and were praised in the media for their “culture” lol. AND they could have been skewered in the media with how badly the Irving/Durant/Harden/Simmons years went…but nope.

But the Knicks are in the playoffs…again…and gained the number two seed with most of their starters injured or out for most of the season. They play the game the right way and don’t piss and moan and complain about the refs to the media. Just consummate professionals. And it’s just a cute little story with a team playing over their head. So frustrating.

This is why I find it funny when fans of opposing teams (after the hey lose) say that the NBA just wants the Knicks to win. Lol, for real? How did the NBA respond after Embiid dragged Robinson down from the floor? They started deleting videos of the play from the internet, created a puff piece about Embiid that aired before the very next game, and leaked his Bells Palsy diagnosis before that same game as well. They really liked it on for that trash bag. And then sent him to the Free Throw line 800 times in the game. But yeah, the NBA totally wants the Knicks to win 🙄

No amount of stars on this Knicks team will change the narrative.
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ajr2456 : 5/11/2024 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16512409 Swizzle said:
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I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.


Just go away
RE: Luka can barely move  
Matt M. : 5/11/2024 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16512299 nygiants16 said:
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played 38 minutes a game in the regilar season, playing 42 right now in thr playoffs but no one is questioning Jason Kidd..
Because they still play 4 off the bench.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/11/2024 8:06 pm : link
Hoping Cavs win tonight. Stretch out that series.
RE: RE: Luka can barely move  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16512462 Matt M. said:
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played 38 minutes a game in the regilar season, playing 42 right now in thr playoffs but no one is questioning Jason Kidd..

Because they still play 4 off the bench.


They play 8, Exum played 5 minutes and still played 3 starters 40 minutes
Horford is shot  
JT039 : 5/11/2024 10:13 pm : link
Celts really need Porzingis back.
Boy do I wish we were at full strength  
AROCK1000 : 5/11/2024 10:27 pm : link
I really feel this championship is wide open
Donovan and Garland are really headed  
Jon In NYC : 5/12/2024 8:37 am : link
in two different paths here. Mitchell consistently steps up in the playoffs and Garland has been generally awful.

Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .
RE: Donovan and Garland are really headed  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 8:39 am : link
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in two different paths here. Mitchell consistently steps up in the playoffs and Garland has been generally awful.

Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .


If he wasnt in cleveland id say they are trading Garland and Allen or Mobely, but his contract is almost up andbthey really dont have the assets to pull off a star trade
Tony Brothers and Ed Malloy today  
Mike in NY : 5/12/2024 9:38 am : link
If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.
No Kinick fan should be upset with Thibs but nobody should  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/12/2024 10:12 am : link
be above criticism until a championship is won. He still has the same faults that everyone complained about 2 years ago, but now he has Brunson here to bail him out. Also, who complains about his substitution pattern in game the most? You can’t tell me Hart at 38 min a game isn’t more effective than at 48 min. With all the stoppages, 5 min from the 9th guy off the bench can be sufficient rest for a starter.

Or let’s concentrate on blaming the bad luck with injuries, refs, the league in general and national media being biased, and the scrubbiest scrub on the opposing team getting hot at the wrong time, how’s that better discussion?

Thibs needs to give Brunson some help late in the game. He’s had a couple of bad plays at inopportune times. Can’t have him go 1 on 5 with how the Pacers are bodying him.
You want them to play Jeffries or Diakite  
ajr2456 : 5/12/2024 10:13 am : link
For 10 minutes a game?
RE: Tony Brothers and Ed Malloy today  
LW_Giants : 5/12/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16512555 Mike in NY said:
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If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.


Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.

The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.
RE: RE: Tony Brothers and Ed Malloy today  
Mike in NY : 5/12/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16512590 LW_Giants said:
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If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.



Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.

The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.


Goble is only the alternate. Now if he were in replay it would be the perfect storm of league favoring Indy.
RE: RE: RE: Tony Brothers and Ed Malloy today  
LW_Giants : 5/12/2024 10:45 am : link
In comment 16512596 Mike in NY said:
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If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.



Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.

The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.



Goble is only the alternate. Now if he were in replay it would be the perfect storm of league favoring Indy.


You're right, but still pretty awful.
I deleted the other thread. Wipe it from the history books.  
Anakim : 5/12/2024 6:06 pm : link
Let's forget that game ever happened. 3 game series now, with 2 being at MSG.
RE: I deleted the other thread. Wipe it from the history books.  
bceagle05 : 5/12/2024 6:08 pm : link
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Let's forget that game ever happened. 3 game series now, with 2 being at MSG.

Good idea. Like when coaches bury the tape from a bad game.
Anak.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/12/2024 6:12 pm : link
Good idea. Now have to entertain mother in law for dinner. I’m salty. And a little buzzed. This will go great, Haha.
I said this in the other thread and its meant as a positive  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:13 pm : link
no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..

This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..

we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off  
bigbluewillrise : 5/12/2024 6:14 pm : link
and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
RE: Anak.  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:16 pm : link
In comment 16512977 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Good idea. Now have to entertain mother in law for dinner. I’m salty. And a little buzzed. This will go great, Haha.


we did brunch
RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16512979 bigbluewillrise said:
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and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.


you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
RE: I said this in the other thread and its meant as a positive  
Matt M. : 5/12/2024 6:18 pm : link
In comment 16512978 nygiants16 said:
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no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..

This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..

we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
Agree with the timeline. I don't agree with not worrying about this year. It will always stick with me that they were poised to make a run before injuries and even at that, could have had a shot if OG hadn't gotten hurt. He needs to be 100% to realistically have a shot moving forward.

At least Burks has given them some scoring off the bench. McBride is a real disappointment this series and his poor play has been a big factor.
Has Hartenstein blown his free agency with his playoff  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/12/2024 6:18 pm : link
non performance? He’s been absolutely horrendous outside of game 2 versus Philly. Opponents seem to be shooting 96% when he’s the primary defender. His rebounding has been pathetically bad this series. He’s late with help at the rim. His turnovers are comical. I’m tired of looking at him.

I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.
I think they definitley need a bench and starters can't be expected  
Matt M. : 5/12/2024 6:20 pm : link
to all play 45 minutes a night. But, I also don't accept them being tired as an excuse. They've played with a short bench all year long by choice. This is how they have won and this is how they should be expected to continue to win this year.

The only excuse right now is OG hurt. Precious needs to step up and Burks has already far exceeded expectations.
RE: Has Hartenstein blown his free agency with his playoff  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16512987 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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non performance? He’s been absolutely horrendous outside of game 2 versus Philly. Opponents seem to be shooting 96% when he’s the primary defender. His rebounding has been pathetically bad this series. He’s late with help at the rim. His turnovers are comical. I’m tired of looking at him.

I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.


At this point i wouldnt waste the money, you are going to pay a lretty penny for OG, maybe extend Brunson this offseason, jf not definitely next offseason and most likely trade for a guy who is or going to be making 50 million...

You can find a center who does ehat Hartenstein does for 50% of the cost
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bigbluewillrise : 5/12/2024 6:23 pm : link
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and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.



you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?


those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
Not losing faith in them yet  
ajr2456 : 5/12/2024 6:26 pm : link
They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.

I’d stark Burks.
RE: Not losing faith in them yet  
bigbluewillrise : 5/12/2024 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16512992 ajr2456 said:
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They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.

I’d stark Burks.


thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
RE: RE: RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off  
Stu11 : 5/12/2024 6:27 pm : link
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and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.



you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?



those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.

And yet there they were up in the 4th qtr Friday night. This team has balls and they'll show up and play a lot better Tuesday night. Thankfully they have more balls than some of their fans.
Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened  
LW_Giants : 5/12/2024 6:28 pm : link
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.

I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?

If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
RE: RE: RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:28 pm : link
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and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.



you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?



those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.


They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit
I still think the Knicks will win  
Essex : 5/12/2024 6:30 pm : link
but has anyone got a luckier path to the ECF in our lifetimes given what has happened to their first two round opponents on the injury fronts
Last time they went up 2-0 and then lost 2 in a row  
ajr2456 : 5/12/2024 6:32 pm : link
Was 94 vs the Pacers. History will repeat
RE: RE: Not losing faith in them yet  
ajr2456 : 5/12/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16512993 bigbluewillrise said:
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They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.

I’d stark Burks.



thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?


The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way
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bigbluewillrise : 5/12/2024 6:35 pm : link
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and win game 6/7.

thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.



you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?



those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.



They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit


im not saying they are going to quit or as a fan we dont root, but its not realistic path.

imo they are huge huge underdogs without OG to win a game.

they are sub 500 on the season without OG.

They literally should of beat them in game 3  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:36 pm : link
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RE: I said this in the other thread and its meant as a positive  
Optimus-NY : 5/12/2024 6:37 pm : link
In comment 16512978 nygiants16 said:
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no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..

This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..

we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..


I feel great about the future. Let's see how these guys respond and deal with adversity. It's always a great metric from which they can draw information from.
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LW_Giants : 5/12/2024 6:39 pm : link
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They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.

I’d stark Burks.



thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?



The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way


Problem is this lineup was getting killed on the boards. I agree though, the two big lineup almost never works, so just go small and hope to shoot your way into a win.

The small lineup may also be worth exploring some zone/trap defense with. Miami always does that and it sometimes throws the opposing team into a tailspin offensively. Without OG and a banged up brunson we have to be creative.

This loss was somewhat predictable after the huge Dante/Burks game Friday night. That was the one we had to steal, but couldn't. Let's see how they respond. I think if they lose Game 5, this is over in 6, if they win game 5 it's probably going 7.

The number of injuries this postseason has been crazy, not just for the Knicks. League has gotta figure this out because no one wants to see teams compete without their best players.
RE: Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened  
nygiants16 : 5/12/2024 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16512995 LW_Giants said:
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he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.

I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?

If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.


I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..

The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...

You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
The injury solution  
ajr2456 : 5/12/2024 6:48 pm : link
Is to shorten the season to 72 games. With the new TV contract the effect on revenue will be marginal
RE: RE: Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened  
LW_Giants : 5/12/2024 6:48 pm : link
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he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.

I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?

If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.



I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..

The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...

You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..


That may eventually look like a bargain, but boy that's a lot of money for a player that averages 60 games per season and has missed the biggest playoff series his teams have been in (finals the year the Raptors went, and now this series).
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