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Giants sign DT Elijah Chatman following rookie tryout

Y28 : 5/12/2024 9:44 am
#Giants signing former
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He is not tall, but extremely strong. Lifted the bar 44 times.
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RE: What was the name of that fullback?...  
Anakim : 5/12/2024 10:48 am : link
In comment 16512593 Milton said:
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We tried him at DT and he was a passrushing demon.


Nikita Whitlock
More highlights  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 10:57 am : link
Post-Pro Day Interview  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 10:58 am : link
Now we see who  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 11:01 am : link
gets cut and if they sign anyone else.
They are clearly trying to identify options on dl  
DavidinBMNY : 5/12/2024 11:04 am : link
They seem to be focusing on players who can get some pass rush.
RE: Now we see who  
Mike in NY : 5/12/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16512611 Eric from BBI said:
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gets cut and if they sign anyone else.


Whitley, Martin, or one of the WR’s seem like the most tenuous roster spots
vs Aaron Donald  
Blue Dog : 5/12/2024 11:14 am : link
Also short and strong with long arms.

Put him at fullback  
WestCoastGFan : 5/12/2024 11:19 am : link
He looks like a beast. Can you imagine a cornerback trying to take him head on? lol.
Good  
AcidTest : 5/12/2024 11:25 am : link
signing. I'm sure he's well known to the area scouts.

The Giants are clearly trying to bolster their inside pass rush, whether it's with Rogers, Chatman, or maybe a veteran after final cuts. I'm sure they are also hoping to get some inside pass rush from Davidson this season.
Look at those Aaron Donald numbers, can't believe we passed on him  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/12/2024 11:28 am : link
...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).

Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.

What could have been...
RE: He looks  
DonnieD89 : 5/12/2024 11:43 am : link
In comment 16512586 Eric from BBI said:
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tiny in those highlights, but the guy is quick and strong as an ox.


Definitely a guy benefits from leverage, and with his quickness, it makes it difficult for him to be blocked. Could be a good 3-tech.
Effectively, he is this team's  
Blueworm : 5/12/2024 11:53 am : link
Mr. Irrelevant: the last rookie added to the roster.

Hope he works his way onto the practice squad.
RE: Look at those Aaron Donald numbers, can't believe we passed on him  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16512632 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).

Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.

What could have been...


He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.
we knew that bolstering the DL (especially at 3 tech)  
Dave on the UWS : 5/12/2024 12:59 pm : link
was going to be a problem with how the draft fell.
Rogers and this guy, have some traits that could help with that issue. Schoen has done a good job at adding talent in the areas that were problems coming into this off season.

Now its up to the coaching staff to get these young players to deliver.
we need a verstile edge vet defender  
bigbluewillrise : 5/12/2024 1:20 pm : link
1. can play early run downs and play it well and set an edge
2. can rush the passer from the outside a bit to hedge against azeez
3. can kick inside on pass rush downs and rush the passer from DT
4. be a veteran presence/leader in the locker room

we need to find one of these guys before training camp.

he doesnt have to play a lot of snaps, theres 20-25% of snaps to be had out there imo.

my guy was dupree, but hopefully we can find someone else. he would have been a great signing.
RE: RE: Look at those Aaron Donald numbers, can't believe we passed on him  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/12/2024 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16512654 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16512632 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).

Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.

What could have been...



He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.


I don't feel like digging up 10 year old threads, but I remember being flummoxed by those opinions. At a minimum, John Randle was a comp of a lighter DT that disrupted because of his athleticism.

Hell, Spags would put Tuck in at DT routinely on passing downs.

Also nothing in Donald's tape from Pitt showed him having any issue with bigger OL. He was absolutely dominant.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 3:03 pm : link
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Giants have signed rookie DT Elijah "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster after an impressive rookie camp tryout.
Funny, Chatman was the one DL that coach Bryan Cox seemed to have an eye on when the linemen were doing drills in front of me. Then, short time later, Daboll strolled over, watched Chatman a bit and wrote something down on paper. Not a surprise that Chatman is signed to get a look at camp, He was the only DL that was explosive and powerful.
looks official  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 3:07 pm : link
Good  
Toth029 : 5/12/2024 3:15 pm : link
For the kid.

Go make the roster!
looks like a player  
The Jake : 5/12/2024 3:18 pm : link
and Aaron Donald was the first comparison that came to mind for me as well.

hard to imagine there are 257 players better than this guy who just got drafted, right?

after 12 years of abysmal football, maybe the football gods will grace us with a miracle.
I love guys with motors that don’t quit  
5BowlsSoon : 5/12/2024 4:18 pm : link
He looks to be one of them.
Also, Jim Burt was 6 ft 1 in  
Grey Pilgrim : 5/12/2024 4:24 pm : link
....
Fun player to watch in college  
Sy'56 : 5/12/2024 4:32 pm : link
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RE: Fun player to watch in college  
Del Shofner : 5/12/2024 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16512848 Sy'56 said:
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I realize highlights are only highlights, but he really blows up some plays in the highlights linked above....
Sy. Why Wasn't he drafted?  
George from PA : 5/12/2024 5:01 pm : link
Seem like he would worth a 7th Rd pick
RE: Sy. Why Wasn't he drafted?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/12/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16512879 George from PA said:
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Seem like he would worth a 7th Rd pick


He's small.
RE: RE: Sy. Why Wasn't he drafted?  
k2tampa : 5/12/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16512885 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16512879 George from PA said:


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Seem like he would worth a 7th Rd pick



He's small.


And not just undrafted, but not signed by anyone as an UDFA.
RE: Sy. Why Wasn't he drafted?  
Sy'56 : 5/12/2024 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16512879 George from PA said:
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Seem like he would worth a 7th Rd pick


Off the chart small. You can count on one and how many DTs have played the game at 5'11/sub-280
John  
xman : 5/12/2024 5:33 pm : link
mendenhall back in the day
Aaron Donald ...  
Manny in CA : 5/12/2024 5:40 pm : link
6'1", 284. concentrated dynamite in a small package.
Yep, make him a goal line FB and we'll forget all about  
CT Charlie : 5/12/2024 5:52 pm : link
Refrigerator Perry and Hyno the Rhino.
Mendenhall was 6’1”, 255 … and Burt was 6’1, 260 …  
Spider56 : 5/12/2024 6:04 pm : link
It’s not the size of the man in the fight … it’s speed, quickness, intelligence and determination … let’s see what he can bring
how would he look lined up as a wide nine  
kelly : 5/12/2024 6:55 pm : link
defensive end.

Offensive tackles tend to be tall. Blocking a fast moving short powerful DE would seem difficult.
Seems like a good young man...  
Fishmanjim57 : 5/12/2024 7:03 pm : link
I'd love to see him make it on the Giants, and who knows if he'll be a DT or FB, if he becomes a FB he could haunt some of the teams in the NFCE (kind of like a player like Boston Scott was against the Giants for several seasons).
I like his hunger to play.
Clearly they’re looking for  
Biteymax22 : 5/12/2024 7:05 pm : link
A lightinng quick 3 tech to put next to Dex on pass rush downs.

Payne coming in for a visit fits this bill, as does our UDFA Rogers.

They likely recognize that all attention is going to go to Dex, Burns and KT. Just add someone else in that can beat a single block and get to the QB fast.
RE: Mendenhall was 6’1”, 255 … and Burt was 6’1, 260 …  
Milton : 5/12/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16512971 Spider56 said:
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It’s not the size of the man in the fight … it’s speed, quickness, intelligence and determination … let’s see what he can bring

That was at a time when offensive linemen were much lighter...
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According to Elias Sports Bureau research, the average weight of starting offensive linemen was 254.3 pounds in 1970. It jumped to 276.9 by 1990, but the largest increase in poundage would come in the following 10 years. A decade later, the average O-line starter checked in at 309.4 pounds.
RE: RE: ...  
JoeSchoens11 : 5/12/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16512583 Anakim said:
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In comment 16512560 Eric from BBI said:


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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.



Maybe he could be our Nikita Whitlock
I didn’t see the spin move in the highlights so he still has some work to do to get to Nikita-level :-)
I'm going to go on a limb here and say  
SteelGiant : 5/12/2024 9:49 pm : link
Whoever gets hit by him feels it
I like these kinds of bets  
WhoCares : 5/12/2024 9:53 pm : link
Overlook the size issue which held back all of the other NFL teams and focus on his tape. Long shot but let's hope we get lucky
re: small  
bc4life : 5/12/2024 10:08 pm : link
The 280 is not stretched out over a 6'2-3" frame. On the one hand, I would think this may help him re: leverage. The arm length may be an issue but on the interior with a quick getoff he cold negate that.

He could also play special teams and if he can play FB too. He has a legitimate shot. At a minimum, I think he can make the practice squad.

And the motor is good...
Talkin' about 280 "small" ....  
Manny in CA : 5/12/2024 11:15 pm : link

When the Rams played the lions in post season, they had THREE 300+ linemen blocking Donald, on many plays.
Check this out , what the Ravens had to do ...  
Manny in CA : 5/12/2024 11:22 pm : link

To stop him ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4mSyRQxMk
Picture this ...  
Manny in CA : 5/12/2024 11:29 pm : link
In Shane Bowen's "wide nine" 4-man rush - Dex & Chatman inside with Burns & Kayvon Thibodeaux storming in from the corners.
Denico Autry is an interesting comparable  
Blue Dog : 5/13/2024 1:33 am : link
Autry played both 3 and 5 techniques in Bowen's D the last few years and excelled. Also was an UDFA way back in 2014. Autry is taller at 6'4.5'' but was a similar weight coming in at just 273lbs. His arms are even shorter than Chatman's. He did better in the agility drills but much worse in the bench and slightly worse in the 40. The jumps were similar.
RE: Talkin' about 280  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2024 7:08 am : link
In comment 16513168 Manny in CA said:
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When the Rams played the lions in post season, they had THREE 300+ linemen blocking Donald, on many plays.


I swear BBI is bipolar. A guy is either camp fodder or an obvious Hall of Famer.
Quick, strong, nonstop motor  
Will Shine : 5/13/2024 9:47 am : link
gives Patterson a lot to work with
Well, Eric, if we didn't take our B-P meds it's inconsequential  
Manny in CA : 5/13/2024 1:59 pm : link

(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.

Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
RE: Well, Eric, if we didn't take our B-P meds it's inconsequential  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2024 2:33 pm : link
In comment 16513532 Manny in CA said:
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(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.

Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.


Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.
Go Ovie !....  
Manny in CA : 5/13/2024 2:51 pm : link
Love that name.
RE: RE: Well, Eric, if we didn't take our B-P meds it's inconsequential  
Klaatu : 5/13/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16513563 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16513532 Manny in CA said:


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(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.

Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.



Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.


So am I. Well, maybe a few pounds lighter now.
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