Rangers are 7-2 in the playoffs. This isn't the Capitals they're playing. And God as my witness, last night before the game I had this eerie feeling the Rangers lose this one and win in Carolina.
Our team sucked in the 3rd. Like the Knicks Game 5 loss to close out Philly in round 1, I have no doubt this series ends next game. If not, win at home in game 7. Either way, I don't see this team losing to Carolina 4 games in a row.
from Kreider on the 1st CAR goal. Like with most things in sports people sometimes recognize the last thing to happen when a bad play happens against you, but often there is a series of events that lead to it. I'm not blaming Kreider for the goal, but this play doesn't happen if he bodies Orlov. Or at least stops. Orlov has so much time he waits for the CAR forwards to get onsides and and goes cross ice to Staal. It's a good 3 seconds while Kreider circles through the neutral zone, kind of nonchalantly. Kreider is not even in the picture in the last screen grab. That play didn't allow Schneider to change and he got caught flat-footed deep in his zone and Miller had to stay where he was to protect pass. Hung Igor out to dry.
Puck battle with Drury that Trouba wins. Mika and Kreider are in good position. Trouba should rim it around to Kreider or lay it up for Mika going behind the net. Due to the forecheck Trouba doesn't get wood on it. Good forecheck by Drury.
You can see the puck behind the net in the 2nd screen grab. That is Mika's puck. It's slightly misleading because the puck is moving. Away from Mika, but it's moving slowly - kind of how Mika is skating. Which of the three people get the loose puck? Kreider, Mika or Necas? Necas, of course - he's moving his feet.
Neither Mika or Kreider get a body on Necas, nor do they get in the passing lane. And I have no idea what Gus is doing on the half wall leaving two guys alone in front.
Point is not to take blame away from anyone or add it to someone else, my point is to highlight with almost every goal a lot happens that cause the breakdowns.
that Carolina was picked to win this series, and come out of the East?
How many people know that since the trade deadline (when they added offense to their lineup), that Carolina has been the best team in the league.
I thought this would be a 7 game series. Carolina's play will be different in game 7. (they will have "caught up in the series, and the amount of mental and physical energy it would have taken, takes its toll.)
I think they will smoke us in game 6, but we will prevail in a game 7.
There is not much separation between both teams.
I give credit to Canes for out skating and being faster to the puck in most situations.
They have outplayed us but Igor has been our savior.
Playoffs are all about forechecking and back checking and so
far we have failed.
Our failure to get out of our defensive zone cleanly looms large.
Finally, on our PP the Canes have been much more aggressive causing us to make sloppy passes.
Having said that all it takes is one more win to move forward.
LGR!!!
sucks for us fans. But it's an extra day of rest for the Rangers. I firmly, firmly, FIRMLY believe this ends on Thursday. No idea why, just a gut feeling.
Kreider said it best. We all would have signed up in a flash if we were told before the series we'd be up 3-2.
Win 1 of 2.
Go get it.
Kreider's quote reeks of the loser mentality that still permeates through this team in these situations. That quote pissed me off to no end. That type of mentality is why they lost to the Devils last year after being up 2-0 and lost to Tampa after being up 2-0 in the ECF in 2022. "Oh well, who would have thought we'd up 3-2 in this series, we'll take it". Then Trocheck says Carolina wanted it more, how can you not want it more when you can end a series?
No, gutless effort, they tried to sit on a one goal lead instead of attacking and taking the body and keeping pressure on Carolina to CLOSE OUT THE SERIES. You cannot continuously dump the puck out to the neutral zone, change lines and let the other team come with a full head of steam into your zone time after time before it catches up with you. Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Trouba (outside of his goal), were all atrocious last night.
Not all 3-2 series leads are the same, this version doesn't feel too good. Up 1 going into the 3rd period at home with a chance to clinch the series and the best goalie in the world on the ice. Rangers were not able to even remotely match the Carolina level of intensity, and for the first time I'm genuinely concerned. Even if the 3rd period was a grind it out kind of period where Carolina got a late goal with the goalie pulled and then won in OT, or something to that effect, I would feel much better, but the Rangers got blown out of their own building in the biggest period of the season. The PP looks completely lost, Panarin has disappeared or worse (his "back check" on the Kuznetsov goal was pathetic), and Fox is clearly playing at maybe 70%.
That all said, I am not giving up because I still do not see this team losing 4 games in a row to anybody. I think the extra day of rest will help them to reset after a pathetic performance last night. Rangers have answered every bell this year when pressed, I see no reason they won't here.
sucks for us fans. But it's an extra day of rest for the Rangers. I firmly, firmly, FIRMLY believe this ends on Thursday. No idea why, just a gut feeling.
I feel the same way, the extra day blunts some of the Canes momentum and hopefully gives the Rangers a chance to recharge a little bit.
I understand the pessimism permeating the thread here, but the 2023-24 Rangers have answered every question so far, and they weren't just going to skate thru the playoffs without adversity.
We're going to find out a lot about this group on Thursday.
This is the beauty and agony of sports! This series features two of the best 4 teams in the league (Florida and Dallas the others in my opinion), we knew the Canes were never going to lie down and die. Rangers have won in Raleigh before and they can do it again. Hopefully Chytil comes back to give the bottom 6 a little more scoring punch, and the extra day off gives them a chance to reset after a rough game. This series has been a microcosm of the season, really. Rangers got off to a huge lead, Carolina hung around, and ultimately the Rangers prevailed. I know it's against all conventional wisdom, but I really do think the Rangers are going to close the door on Thursday.
Kreider said it best. We all would have signed up in a flash if we were told before the series we'd be up 3-2.
Win 1 of 2.
Go get it.
Kreider's quote reeks of the loser mentality that still permeates through this team in these situations. That quote pissed me off to no end. That type of mentality is why they lost to the Devils last year after being up 2-0 and lost to Tampa after being up 2-0 in the ECF in 2022. "Oh well, who would have thought we'd up 3-2 in this series, we'll take it". Then Trocheck says Carolina wanted it more, how can you not want it more when you can end a series?
No, gutless effort, they tried to sit on a one goal lead instead of attacking and taking the body and keeping pressure on Carolina to CLOSE OUT THE SERIES. You cannot continuously dump the puck out to the neutral zone, change lines and let the other team come with a full head of steam into your zone time after time before it catches up with you. Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Trouba (outside of his goal), were all atrocious last night.
That's the point exactly. It's not that they lost, it's that they didn't show up. Trocheck's comment was very telling. As I wrote earlier, it was a disgraceful "effort".
I really think that Jones should be getting a look over Gustafsson.
Gustafsson is a fine player with a solid career and experience, but he's been poor in this series and has had a number of very costly instances of puck-watching and/or being out of position.
There's nothing about Gus's game that you worry about "missing" by sitting him, and it's hard to envision a scenario where you're looking back at the situation and saying "man, we really gave that one away by playing Jones over Gus".
Not to mention the fact that Jones played really, really well in his extended look due to injuries and that this is an opportunity to get playoff experience for a guy who should be very much in the plan to slide into Gus' spot when they let him walk in FA (which they definitely should).
I really think that Jones should be getting a look over Gustafsson.
Gustafsson is a fine player with a solid career and experience, but he's been poor in this series and has had a number of very costly instances of puck-watching and/or being out of position.
There's nothing about Gus's game that you worry about "missing" by sitting him, and it's hard to envision a scenario where you're looking back at the situation and saying "man, we really gave that one away by playing Jones over Gus".
Not to mention the fact that Jones played really, really well in his extended look due to injuries and that this is an opportunity to get playoff experience for a guy who should be very much in the plan to slide into Gus' spot when they let him walk in FA (which they definitely should).
I agree 100% with this. One of the things the Rangers have struggled with is getting the puck out of their own end. Jones is a good puck mover with mobility, and can easily take Gus's place on PP2 as well. Jones and Trouba have also played very well together in their limited run together.
Or, if Chytil can't go Thursday, maybe you go 11F/7D. Rempe can't play in Raleigh, Brodzinski is a marginal NHL player. Jones has an element to his game that is legitimately an area where they struggle. I'm not usually a fan of 11F/7D, but I think it makes sense if Chytil isn't able to play.
to Vally, the Rangers had 1 high percentage chance last night. The whole team was floating. Vally - ( New Window )
I think that is low, seeing as the Trouba goal is the 1 high danger chance on Clear Sight. They had other chances. Not many, but they did have more than the 1. Natural Stat Trick had it 13-5 Carolina in HDCF, which I think is more in line with what I saw.
I'm pretty sure my 73 year old mother could knock him off the puck.
The Wennberg line was a great shutdown line for the first few games, and was effective on the forecheck, but that has not been the case the past few games. I had written Chytil off for this season, but at this point, I am not sure how far they can go without injecting some offensive production to the bottom 6.
here's LAST years Western Conference Finals. Vegas went up 3-0 against Dallas. Vegas barely lost game 4 in OT. Got drubbed game 5. Blasted the Stars game 6 when Dallas ran out of gas.
Golden Knights win series, 4-2
Game 1: Golden Knights 4, Stars 3 (OT)
Game 2: Golden Knights 3, Stars 2 (OT)
Game 3: Golden Knights 4, Stars 0
Game 4: Stars 3, Golden Knights 2 (OT)
Game 5: Stars 4, Golden Knights 2
Game 6: Golden Knights 6, Stars 0
So.. you doomers. Man the hell up, grab your pair and lets handle business this Thursday. Rangers in 6.
here's LAST years Western Conference Finals. Vegas went up 3-0 against Dallas. Vegas barely lost game 4 in OT. Got drubbed game 5. Blasted the Stars game 6 when Dallas ran out of gas.
Golden Knights win series, 4-2
Game 1: Golden Knights 4, Stars 3 (OT)
Game 2: Golden Knights 3, Stars 2 (OT)
Game 3: Golden Knights 4, Stars 0
Game 4: Stars 3, Golden Knights 2 (OT)
Game 5: Stars 4, Golden Knights 2
Game 6: Golden Knights 6, Stars 0
So.. you doomers. Man the hell up, grab your pair and lets handle business this Thursday. Rangers in 6.
Love it, it can be hard to be positive after losing 2 elimination games in a row, but it's a good reminder that just last year, the eventual Cup winners did just that. I think I'm going to throw money down on Rangers -1.5 Thursday!
Rangers are 7-2 in the playoffs. This isn't the Capitals they're playing. And God as my witness, last night before the game I had this eerie feeling the Rangers lose this one and win in Carolina.
Our team sucked in the 3rd. Like the Knicks Game 5 loss to close out Philly in round 1, I have no doubt this series ends next game. If not, win at home in game 7. Either way, I don't see this team losing to Carolina 4 games in a row.
Gonna frame this one.
Puck battle with Drury that Trouba wins. Mika and Kreider are in good position. Trouba should rim it around to Kreider or lay it up for Mika going behind the net. Due to the forecheck Trouba doesn't get wood on it. Good forecheck by Drury.
You can see the puck behind the net in the 2nd screen grab. That is Mika's puck. It's slightly misleading because the puck is moving. Away from Mika, but it's moving slowly - kind of how Mika is skating. Which of the three people get the loose puck? Kreider, Mika or Necas? Necas, of course - he's moving his feet.
Neither Mika or Kreider get a body on Necas, nor do they get in the passing lane. And I have no idea what Gus is doing on the half wall leaving two guys alone in front.
Point is not to take blame away from anyone or add it to someone else, my point is to highlight with almost every goal a lot happens that cause the breakdowns.
How many people know that since the trade deadline (when they added offense to their lineup), that Carolina has been the best team in the league.
I thought this would be a 7 game series. Carolina's play will be different in game 7. (they will have "caught up in the series, and the amount of mental and physical energy it would have taken, takes its toll.)
I think they will smoke us in game 6, but we will prevail in a game 7.
I give credit to Canes for out skating and being faster to the puck in most situations.
They have outplayed us but Igor has been our savior.
Playoffs are all about forechecking and back checking and so
far we have failed.
Our failure to get out of our defensive zone cleanly looms large.
Finally, on our PP the Canes have been much more aggressive causing us to make sloppy passes.
Having said that all it takes is one more win to move forward.
LGR!!!
Kreider said it best. We all would have signed up in a flash if we were told before the series we'd be up 3-2.
Win 1 of 2.
Go get it.
Kreider's quote reeks of the loser mentality that still permeates through this team in these situations. That quote pissed me off to no end. That type of mentality is why they lost to the Devils last year after being up 2-0 and lost to Tampa after being up 2-0 in the ECF in 2022. "Oh well, who would have thought we'd up 3-2 in this series, we'll take it". Then Trocheck says Carolina wanted it more, how can you not want it more when you can end a series?
No, gutless effort, they tried to sit on a one goal lead instead of attacking and taking the body and keeping pressure on Carolina to CLOSE OUT THE SERIES. You cannot continuously dump the puck out to the neutral zone, change lines and let the other team come with a full head of steam into your zone time after time before it catches up with you. Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Trouba (outside of his goal), were all atrocious last night.
That all said, I am not giving up because I still do not see this team losing 4 games in a row to anybody. I think the extra day of rest will help them to reset after a pathetic performance last night. Rangers have answered every bell this year when pressed, I see no reason they won't here.
I feel the same way, the extra day blunts some of the Canes momentum and hopefully gives the Rangers a chance to recharge a little bit.
I understand the pessimism permeating the thread here, but the 2023-24 Rangers have answered every question so far, and they weren't just going to skate thru the playoffs without adversity.
We're going to find out a lot about this group on Thursday.
This is the beauty and agony of sports! This series features two of the best 4 teams in the league (Florida and Dallas the others in my opinion), we knew the Canes were never going to lie down and die. Rangers have won in Raleigh before and they can do it again. Hopefully Chytil comes back to give the bottom 6 a little more scoring punch, and the extra day off gives them a chance to reset after a rough game. This series has been a microcosm of the season, really. Rangers got off to a huge lead, Carolina hung around, and ultimately the Rangers prevailed. I know it's against all conventional wisdom, but I really do think the Rangers are going to close the door on Thursday.
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Carolina is an excellent team.
Kreider said it best. We all would have signed up in a flash if we were told before the series we'd be up 3-2.
Win 1 of 2.
Go get it.
Kreider's quote reeks of the loser mentality that still permeates through this team in these situations. That quote pissed me off to no end. That type of mentality is why they lost to the Devils last year after being up 2-0 and lost to Tampa after being up 2-0 in the ECF in 2022. "Oh well, who would have thought we'd up 3-2 in this series, we'll take it". Then Trocheck says Carolina wanted it more, how can you not want it more when you can end a series?
No, gutless effort, they tried to sit on a one goal lead instead of attacking and taking the body and keeping pressure on Carolina to CLOSE OUT THE SERIES. You cannot continuously dump the puck out to the neutral zone, change lines and let the other team come with a full head of steam into your zone time after time before it catches up with you. Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Trouba (outside of his goal), were all atrocious last night.
That's the point exactly. It's not that they lost, it's that they didn't show up. Trocheck's comment was very telling. As I wrote earlier, it was a disgraceful "effort".
Gustafsson is a fine player with a solid career and experience, but he's been poor in this series and has had a number of very costly instances of puck-watching and/or being out of position.
There's nothing about Gus's game that you worry about "missing" by sitting him, and it's hard to envision a scenario where you're looking back at the situation and saying "man, we really gave that one away by playing Jones over Gus".
Not to mention the fact that Jones played really, really well in his extended look due to injuries and that this is an opportunity to get playoff experience for a guy who should be very much in the plan to slide into Gus' spot when they let him walk in FA (which they definitely should).
Vally - ( New Window )
Gustafsson is a fine player with a solid career and experience, but he's been poor in this series and has had a number of very costly instances of puck-watching and/or being out of position.
There's nothing about Gus's game that you worry about "missing" by sitting him, and it's hard to envision a scenario where you're looking back at the situation and saying "man, we really gave that one away by playing Jones over Gus".
Not to mention the fact that Jones played really, really well in his extended look due to injuries and that this is an opportunity to get playoff experience for a guy who should be very much in the plan to slide into Gus' spot when they let him walk in FA (which they definitely should).
I agree 100% with this. One of the things the Rangers have struggled with is getting the puck out of their own end. Jones is a good puck mover with mobility, and can easily take Gus's place on PP2 as well. Jones and Trouba have also played very well together in their limited run together.
Or, if Chytil can't go Thursday, maybe you go 11F/7D. Rempe can't play in Raleigh, Brodzinski is a marginal NHL player. Jones has an element to his game that is legitimately an area where they struggle. I'm not usually a fan of 11F/7D, but I think it makes sense if Chytil isn't able to play.
I think that is low, seeing as the Trouba goal is the 1 high danger chance on Clear Sight. They had other chances. Not many, but they did have more than the 1. Natural Stat Trick had it 13-5 Carolina in HDCF, which I think is more in line with what I saw.
The Wennberg line was a great shutdown line for the first few games, and was effective on the forecheck, but that has not been the case the past few games. I had written Chytil off for this season, but at this point, I am not sure how far they can go without injecting some offensive production to the bottom 6.
I currently have six tabs open looking at tickets for Thursday night.
Jacob Trouba
Brett I have backed you 100%. If you don't bring home Game 6, I'll take Game 7.
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So who's starting Thursday's thread?
Brett I have backed you 100%. If you don't bring home Game 6, I'll take Game 7.
You got it.
Golden Knights win series, 4-2
Game 1: Golden Knights 4, Stars 3 (OT)
Game 2: Golden Knights 3, Stars 2 (OT)
Game 3: Golden Knights 4, Stars 0
Game 4: Stars 3, Golden Knights 2 (OT)
Game 5: Stars 4, Golden Knights 2
Game 6: Golden Knights 6, Stars 0
So.. you doomers. Man the hell up, grab your pair and lets handle business this Thursday. Rangers in 6.
Golden Knights win series, 4-2
Game 1: Golden Knights 4, Stars 3 (OT)
Game 2: Golden Knights 3, Stars 2 (OT)
Game 3: Golden Knights 4, Stars 0
Game 4: Stars 3, Golden Knights 2 (OT)
Game 5: Stars 4, Golden Knights 2
Game 6: Golden Knights 6, Stars 0
So.. you doomers. Man the hell up, grab your pair and lets handle business this Thursday. Rangers in 6.
Love it, it can be hard to be positive after losing 2 elimination games in a row, but it's a good reminder that just last year, the eventual Cup winners did just that. I think I'm going to throw money down on Rangers -1.5 Thursday!
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