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Big Blue Banter - Should Joe Schoen be on the hot seat?

Klaatu : 5/13/2024 1:47 pm
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Dan and Nick dive into the debate that’s taken over Giants Twitter since the conclusion of the 2024 NFL Draft – should GM Joe Schoen be on the hot seat heading into 2024? They take a 30,000-foot view to start before diving into a look back on each of their five biggest takeaways after the 2021 season heading into the 2022 offseason. Then, they dissect each move Schoen has made in each of his two offseasons, the biggest deciding factors and more before circling back to discuss what would have to happen in 2024 for Schoen to be on the hot seat for them, and potentially for them to say – “that’s it, it’s time to move on” and what he can do to secure his seat for the future.

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Big Blue Banter - Should Joe Schoen be on the hot seat?  
M.S. : 5/13/2024 2:13 pm : link
Welp, if his offensive line moves to the middle of the NFL pack, then he’s off the hot seat. And if the O-line embarrasses itself once again, more like the electric chair.
He inherited a 4-win team and won  
Section331 : 5/13/2024 2:14 pm : link
9 games in year 1. Yes, last year was bad and a bit concerning, but let's see how it goes this year. Another 4-6 win season, then the seat should be pretty damn hot.
no one is getting fired  
djm : 5/13/2024 2:21 pm : link
get a grip.
His biggest error so far has been Jones  
OdellBeckhamJr : 5/13/2024 2:23 pm : link
- Did the smart thing by not picking up his 5th year option

- Bidded against ourselves re-signing Jones and is massively overpaid

There's some other missteps but no GM is batting 1000. I like just about everything else he's done here. I was annoyed he didn't extend McKinney but he used that capital to fortify the OL and DL. They had a conviction on Drake Maye and tried to move up to get him but Pats didn't budge. I liked that he didn't force QB by drafting McCarthy or Penix (although it will suck if those guys are really good)
I don't go by record  
Mike in NY : 5/13/2024 2:26 pm : link
But if the OL and D do not make progress even after they were our big ticket FA signings yes they should be on the hot seat.
That was a pretty thorough  
logman : 5/13/2024 2:28 pm : link
walk through the Joe Schoen timeline
No  
Torn Tendon : 5/13/2024 2:32 pm : link
even with the DJ deal not looking good. It looks like they are trying to course correct. Didn't get a new QB but were open to doing so rather than going all in on DJ.

Daboll, shouldn't be either, unless there is a repeat of the infighting amongst the coaching staff and he loses the team.
He should be  
56goat : 5/13/2024 2:48 pm : link
Not saying a change should be made now, but another year like last year would warrant changes. The list of egregious mistake made is a long one.
I don’t understand what would even raise the ?  
Giant John : 5/13/2024 2:48 pm : link
Put me on the no side of the ledger.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2024 2:53 pm : link
I lean No as of this moment. But I’m not enamored with his tenure thus far.
no  
uther99 : 5/13/2024 2:55 pm : link
replacing the gm and head coach every 3 years is what loser teams do
Def not...  
EJNNJ : 5/13/2024 3:15 pm : link
Now if the team is inept this year that's a different discussion for both BD and JS but I don't see inept happening.

I think we're going to be a team that competes respectably on the field but lose in the close ones and end up with 6-9 wins 9 being the high side obv.

If we’re looking  
JoeyBigBlue : 5/13/2024 3:19 pm : link
Objectively Schoen should be the on the hot seat. His 2022 and 2023 draft have not been great. The roster is not much better than it was when he took the job in 2022. One more bad terrible season and he should be shown the door.
I feel like this is  
Bill in UT : 5/13/2024 3:22 pm : link
a prove it year for him and Daboll
If they’re bad again the sear should definitely be hot going into  
ajr2456 : 5/13/2024 3:36 pm : link
2025
I do really think the Giants need some stability  
Sean : 5/13/2024 3:47 pm : link
You can't just keep blowing through regimes. Schoen has brought in a lot of people under him. It's year 3. They overachieved in 2022, it hurt long term but at some point you've got to see it play out a bit.

Chris Ballard has been in Indy for what feels like forever now. Is he on the hot seat every year?
I'm skeptical  
Jerry in_DC : 5/13/2024 3:51 pm : link
that Mara would hire anyone better than these guys, so I'd be happy to give them all the rope. I think Schoen has been mediocre at best so far, but he's still a lot better than the traditional Mara way or doing business
Yes he should be on the hot seat  
gpat1031 : 5/13/2024 3:53 pm : link
This is a result oriented business and this is year 3.
The construction of last years oline devastated this team.
Daboll didn't look like he had this team ready to play game 1.
Also not having a competent returner on the roster is also malpractice on his part.
So yeah hot seats are appropriate at this point heading into year 3.
Well, they shouldn't be, but  
MNP70 : 5/13/2024 3:55 pm : link
you never know. The Giants are known for too much front office turnover to begin with. What's the draw to NY for an available coach/GM if they do get let go? A QB that wasn't a choice of theirs, or a newly drafted QB? The "sure thing" QB is a thing of the past. Andrew Luck is the closest to a sure thing that actually came through in recent memory. So much rides on whether a QB pans out or not. Front office careers are largely judged by that success/failure. Check out this article that speaks to how difficult it is to draft a QB that actually performs well in the NFL.
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Schoen's seat should be an inferno...  
bw in dc : 5/13/2024 3:58 pm : link
JFC, the guy just tripled down on his QB, Daniel Jones.

He's as attached to Jones as siamese twins.

How About We Get Rid Of:  
Trainmaster : 5/13/2024 4:00 pm : link
Chris Mara
Tim McDonnell
Ronnie Barnes

Before even thinking about Schoen & Daboll


RE: Schoen's seat should be an inferno...  
Mbavaro : 5/13/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16513640 bw in dc said:
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JFC, the guy just tripled down on his QB, Daniel Jones.

He's as attached to Jones as siamese twins.


So trying to trade for his replacement is “tripling down”?

The nonsense spin never ends
Three seasons isn't enough to evaluate a GM  
Blue Dog : 5/13/2024 4:13 pm : link
Last year was a disaster for injuries and all else. It reminded me of year 4 of Lynch and Shanahan. They had just gone 13-3 year 3, then Garoppolo went down and they were starting Nick Mullens and went 6-10. That meant 3 of the first 4 years of Shanahan and Lynch were a disaster and they had made the mistake of trading for and paying Garoppolo (6 years with them). Year 5 is when they took their swing for Trey Lance, obviously they missed and lucked into Purdy but my point on their timeline and rebuild is there.
Schoen  
TyreeHelmet : 5/13/2024 4:19 pm : link
If the team sucks this year and Jones is bad along with the rookie QBs playing well, how could he not be on the hot seat? I would not feel great giving him another offseason with another top pick.

I think this is a crucial season for these 2.
RE: RE: Schoen's seat should be an inferno...  
Mike in NY : 5/13/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16513643 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16513640 bw in dc said:


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JFC, the guy just tripled down on his QB, Daniel Jones.

He's as attached to Jones as siamese twins.




So trying to trade for his replacement is “tripling down”?

The nonsense spin never ends


Offering a trade they knew would never get accepted and not pivoting to any other QB in this draft is tripling down on Jones after signing him to a big contract and not drafting a QB in 2023
It's such a stupid question, and I: know it's not  
barens : 5/13/2024 4:47 pm : link
from the OP, but Bigbluebanter.

Whether you like Mara or not, he's the guy who had the conviction to hire Schoen. And aside from 1 rough season, where injuries took too much of a toll, and given the state of the Eagles and Cowboys, wouldn't you keep the faith in your hire? Especially after winning a playoff game in his first season. Horrible take.
Giants have made it clear  
fkap : 5/13/2024 4:49 pm : link
they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL
I think it's best to have an environment  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/13/2024 4:55 pm : link
where results matter from your senior leaders within reason.

NYG have been very patient with GM's. GY deserved it. JR should have been let go years before he was. Mara may have regretted firing him in season which partly contributed to Dave finishing out his contract imv.

I do think an internal promotion to GM could happen with the right scenario playing out.
RE: Giants have made it clear  
TyreeHelmet : 5/13/2024 5:04 pm : link
In comment 16513687 fkap said:
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they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL


Not premium money? He's a top 10 highest paid player in the league.

And Daboll has proven a lot more than Schoen to me.

What has Schoen's been most impressive move to date?
I thought  
Toth029 : 5/13/2024 5:09 pm : link
Dan was always more Team Daboll than siding with Schoen. But to me, many of their personnel decisions have been mutual. From Jones, to going to Singletary, and the WR room. It is a critical year for Jones, but also for the front office and HC. They can't look flat like they did in Week 1 last year.
Why?  
chitt17 : 5/13/2024 5:11 pm : link
He was forced to sign jones to the deal after the idiot barkley turned down the 3 year deals he was offered. Then had to tagged.
I might have tagged jones and let barkley walk last year. I am not a huge Barley fan. Dances behind the line too much.
Thank God he let him walk this year.


RE: RE: Giants have made it clear  
Toth029 : 5/13/2024 5:20 pm : link
In comment 16513708 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16513687 fkap said:


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they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL



Not premium money? He's a top 10 highest paid player in the league.

And Daboll has proven a lot more than Schoen to me.

What has Schoen's been most impressive move to date?


He's tied for 11th now with Goff's new deal. And the other two, Stafford and Prescott, got their deals year(s) prior. Dak will go higher next offseason, thus he's dropping further. Lawrence will probably surpass him, too.

I like Daboll but he has warts too. Playing Josh Ezeudu at LT for starters.
RE: RE: Schoen's seat should be an inferno...  
bw in dc : 5/13/2024 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16513643 Mbavaro said:
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So trying to trade for his replacement is “tripling down”?

The nonsense spin never ends


While Schoen may have tried to move on Maye, he also passed on the next three QB prospects that landed at #8, #10, and #12. With two of those three were selected by coaches who are highly respected in the NFL in working/developing QBs - Payton and O'Connell.

As I see it, Schoen decided that taking Nabers, who I think is a fantastic prospect, to play with Jones was more a better solution for the team than taking a new QB on a rookie deal and another WR in the second round (theoretically).

Thus, the triple down...

RE: RE: RE: Giants have made it clear  
TyreeHelmet : 5/13/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16513730 Toth029 said:
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In comment 16513708 TyreeHelmet said:


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In comment 16513687 fkap said:


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they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL



Not premium money? He's a top 10 highest paid player in the league.

And Daboll has proven a lot more than Schoen to me.

What has Schoen's been most impressive move to date?



He's tied for 11th now with Goff's new deal. And the other two, Stafford and Prescott, got their deals year(s) prior. Dak will go higher next offseason, thus he's dropping further. Lawrence will probably surpass him, too.

I like Daboll but he has warts too. Playing Josh Ezeudu at LT for starters.


He's being paid premium money for below average play. He's the opposite of having a good QB on a rookie contract.

Lets all hope that changes his 6th season.
I don't think he should be  
arniefez : 5/13/2024 5:36 pm : link
and I hope he is not. I hope he gets at least another 2 or 3 years as Giants GM no matter what the W/L record is in 2024 and 2025.

I think that GM of the Giants is the most difficult GM job in the NFL. I think that having a 50/50 ownership divided between between 2 families that couldn't have less in common is a very difficult organizational structure to navigate and that's before you add in that one of the families has 3 members immersed in the on field personnel and game day decisions.

I worked for a CEO of a mid size company for a long time. He bought small companies and folded them into his corporate shared services, kept the best people and used his sales network to increase his revenue and P/L. I managed a team of young street smart MBA types (usually an oxymoron) and we were the advance team. We had to sort out the things that due diligence didn't and decide who to keep and who not to keep. We traveled a lot for years and we were a close group. All these years later a lot of that group have been my life long friends.

One day Mr. CEO asks me to do him a favor. His 5th ave ex wife's daughter has graduated and he wants me and my team to hire her and train her. This is the half sister of 2 of his 3 sons. Family. An owner. We still talk about how that changed everything about our office dynamics. She lasted less than 9 months before she went home to NY. In her case she didn't want to work. What we did was not a 9 to 5 job with a 2 hour lunch break. I was fortunate enough to have formed a group that could handle working with someone who was living with the CEO. But it wasn't ever far from the top of mind that I had to make sure none of my group did or said anything that would wind up being dinner conversation.

I think that's Joe Schoen's daily life. Sy was on the Giants Insider Podcast this week and he mentioned what a good job Schoen did of mudding the waters and keep the guessing game going about #6. He mentioned that there are less of them but still a lot of loose lips in the Giants building.

I think Schoen's process is sound. I understand why he has made the picks he has in his first 3 drafts and it makes sense to me. I have nothing draft wise to second guess without using hindsight. I think he does a very job representing the Giants in the media.

I wanted the Giants to draft JJ McCarthy. That's because I have no faith in Daniel Jones. I have no idea if JJ McCarthy would have been a good pick at #6. I have no idea if ownership was pressuring Schoen to draft a "weapon" for Jones not a QB to replace him. It's no secret how ownership feels about Daniel Jones.

IMO Schoen is now in QB hell. He gave Jones a bigger contract than he earned. Jones regressed, didn't last 1/2 of the first season of the deal and had two serious injuries he's still rehabbing and he's the #1 QB going into 2024.

With all that said I'm going to hope that several of the rookies drafted in the past 3 years become the core of a team that can compete to win the NFC East by 2025, If that doesn't happen I suspect there will be another new Giants GM introductory press conference in late January 2026.
RE: I wish Mara and Tisch could be on the hot seat  
Bill in Del : 5/13/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16513522 I Love Clams Casino said:
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Because they are the only constant since the losing began.



lol - so true
RE: RE: RE: Schoen's seat should be an inferno...  
Mbavaro : 5/13/2024 6:15 pm : link
In comment 16513742 bw in dc said:
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So trying to trade for his replacement is “tripling down”?

The nonsense spin never ends



While Schoen may have tried to move on Maye, he also passed on the next three QB prospects that landed at #8, #10, and #12. With two of those three were selected by coaches who are highly respected in the NFL in working/developing QBs - Payton and O'Connell.

As I see it, Schoen decided that taking Nabers, who I think is a fantastic prospect, to play with Jones was more a better solution for the team than taking a new QB on a rookie deal and another WR in the second round (theoretically).

Thus, the triple down...


Who cares if the 3 QB’s went after
He felt they weren’t worth if the pick
Time will tell
I always like BWs math  
Dave on the UWS : 5/13/2024 6:24 pm : link
1 +1+1= 473!

You win with elite talent. The opportunity to acquire Nabers’ elite level talent, trumped adding a QB who they obviously didn’t have nearly as high a grade on.
That is NOT doubling or tripling down on Jones.
I guess you don’t believe they tried to move for Maye? If they were sold on Jones, they NEVER go that route. That’s pretty simple math.
If Nabers was picked at 5, most probably they take McCarthy.
Get the elite talent, don’t reach for the QB, or are you as advocating that?
Should he be on the hot seat today?  
Scooter185 : 5/13/2024 6:52 pm : link
No. But if Jones founders and the 2024 Giants end with 5 wins or less, absolutely.

All the "he tried to trade for a QB" talk is irrelevant. Jones is the presumptive qb1, and if he fails then BD and JS go down with him. They punted on qb and they may not get the ball back.

And if Jones looks bad and Nix or JJM look good, the heat is going to be set to "high" real fast
RE: I always like BWs math  
bw in dc : 5/13/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16513794 Dave on the UWS said:
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1 +1+1= 473!

You win with elite talent. The opportunity to acquire Nabers’ elite level talent, trumped adding a QB who they obviously didn’t have nearly as high a grade on.
That is NOT doubling or tripling down on Jones.
I guess you don’t believe they tried to move for Maye? If they were sold on Jones, they NEVER go that route. That’s pretty simple math.
If Nabers was picked at 5, most probably they take McCarthy.
Get the elite talent, don’t reach for the QB, or are you as advocating that?


I believe Schoen had a Plan A and a Plan B.

Plan A was to call the Patriots about buying their draft slot. If he could get a bargain on the deal, he would have pulled the trigger. But it was a soft inquiry, and he wasn't going balls to the wall.

Plan B was if he couldn't execute Plan A, Schoen et all were comfortable sticking with Jones and building around him.

When you have the opportunity to upgrade the QB position with three QBs more talented than Jones and pass, you have pulled the triple down lever.

BTW, you consistently win with a very good QB or >. Non-QB elite talent doesn't matter if your QB can't optimize it.



RE: RE: I always like BWs math  
Mike in NY : 5/13/2024 8:06 pm : link
In comment 16513870 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16513794 Dave on the UWS said:


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1 +1+1= 473!

You win with elite talent. The opportunity to acquire Nabers’ elite level talent, trumped adding a QB who they obviously didn’t have nearly as high a grade on.
That is NOT doubling or tripling down on Jones.
I guess you don’t believe they tried to move for Maye? If they were sold on Jones, they NEVER go that route. That’s pretty simple math.
If Nabers was picked at 5, most probably they take McCarthy.
Get the elite talent, don’t reach for the QB, or are you as advocating that?



I believe Schoen had a Plan A and a Plan B.

Plan A was to call the Patriots about buying their draft slot. If he could get a bargain on the deal, he would have pulled the trigger. But it was a soft inquiry, and he wasn't going balls to the wall.

Plan B was if he couldn't execute Plan A, Schoen et all were comfortable sticking with Jones and building around him.

When you have the opportunity to upgrade the QB position with three QBs more talented than Jones and pass, you have pulled the triple down lever.

BTW, you consistently win with a very good QB or >. Non-QB elite talent doesn't matter if your QB can't optimize it.




I disagree that there were three QB’s more talented than Jones available at 6. The peripherals on Nix and Penix showed some red flags. McCarthy was the safer option, but is him without Nabers making our offense better versus getting Nabers now and, if we are as bad as some project, getting a QB next year? While there are no QB options that are ahead of where Williams and Maye were as prospects a year ago at this time, there are plenty of intriguing names who could boom (or bust) over the next year (Beck, Sanders, Dart, Smith, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, Mertz)
RE: RE: RE: I always like BWs math  
Scooter185 : 5/13/2024 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16513892 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16513870 bw in dc said:


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In comment 16513794 Dave on the UWS said:


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1 +1+1= 473!

You win with elite talent. The opportunity to acquire Nabers’ elite level talent, trumped adding a QB who they obviously didn’t have nearly as high a grade on.
That is NOT doubling or tripling down on Jones.
I guess you don’t believe they tried to move for Maye? If they were sold on Jones, they NEVER go that route. That’s pretty simple math.
If Nabers was picked at 5, most probably they take McCarthy.
Get the elite talent, don’t reach for the QB, or are you as advocating that?



I believe Schoen had a Plan A and a Plan B.

Plan A was to call the Patriots about buying their draft slot. If he could get a bargain on the deal, he would have pulled the trigger. But it was a soft inquiry, and he wasn't going balls to the wall.

Plan B was if he couldn't execute Plan A, Schoen et all were comfortable sticking with Jones and building around him.

When you have the opportunity to upgrade the QB position with three QBs more talented than Jones and pass, you have pulled the triple down lever.

BTW, you consistently win with a very good QB or >. Non-QB elite talent doesn't matter if your QB can't optimize it.






I disagree that there were three QB’s more talented than Jones available at 6. The peripherals on Nix and Penix showed some red flags. McCarthy was the safer option, but is him without Nabers making our offense better versus getting Nabers now and, if we are as bad as some project, getting a QB next year? While there are no QB options that are ahead of where Williams and Maye were as prospects a year ago at this time, there are plenty of intriguing names who could boom (or bust) over the next year (Beck, Sanders, Dart, Smith, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, Mertz)


If they're as bad as some project, at minimum they're looking for a new HC and any equity JS built will be gone.

So then it becomes what's better in 2025: Nabers + new QB + new HC

Or

JJM sophomore year + WR in rd2 sophomore year + year 4 of BD
RE: RE: RE: RE: I always like BWs math  
Mike in NY : 5/13/2024 8:25 pm : link
In comment 16513907 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 16513892 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 16513870 bw in dc said:


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In comment 16513794 Dave on the UWS said:


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1 +1+1= 473!

You win with elite talent. The opportunity to acquire Nabers’ elite level talent, trumped adding a QB who they obviously didn’t have nearly as high a grade on.
That is NOT doubling or tripling down on Jones.
I guess you don’t believe they tried to move for Maye? If they were sold on Jones, they NEVER go that route. That’s pretty simple math.
If Nabers was picked at 5, most probably they take McCarthy.
Get the elite talent, don’t reach for the QB, or are you as advocating that?



I believe Schoen had a Plan A and a Plan B.

Plan A was to call the Patriots about buying their draft slot. If he could get a bargain on the deal, he would have pulled the trigger. But it was a soft inquiry, and he wasn't going balls to the wall.

Plan B was if he couldn't execute Plan A, Schoen et all were comfortable sticking with Jones and building around him.

When you have the opportunity to upgrade the QB position with three QBs more talented than Jones and pass, you have pulled the triple down lever.

BTW, you consistently win with a very good QB or >. Non-QB elite talent doesn't matter if your QB can't optimize it.






I disagree that there were three QB’s more talented than Jones available at 6. The peripherals on Nix and Penix showed some red flags. McCarthy was the safer option, but is him without Nabers making our offense better versus getting Nabers now and, if we are as bad as some project, getting a QB next year? While there are no QB options that are ahead of where Williams and Maye were as prospects a year ago at this time, there are plenty of intriguing names who could boom (or bust) over the next year (Beck, Sanders, Dart, Smith, Ward, Ewers, Milroe, Mertz)



If they're as bad as some project, at minimum they're looking for a new HC and any equity JS built will be gone.

So then it becomes what's better in 2025: Nabers + new QB + new HC

Or

JJM sophomore year + WR in rd2 sophomore year + year 4 of BD


What WR would we have had at 47 and what about our D now that you have not drafted Nubin?
RE: Should he be on the hot seat today?  
Toth029 : 5/13/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16513818 Scooter185 said:
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No. But if Jones founders and the 2024 Giants end with 5 wins or less, absolutely.

All the "he tried to trade for a QB" talk is irrelevant. Jones is the presumptive qb1, and if he fails then BD and JS go down with him. They punted on qb and they may not get the ball back.

And if Jones looks bad and Nix or JJM look good, the heat is going to be set to "high" real fast


I feel a lot rides on the draft picks Joe Schoen made in 2021. These guys can be pivotal to the 2024 season. Thibodeaux can step up his game and become more consistent. He does, and becomes an alpha pass rusher, and the defense becomes one of the better units. Evan Neal, who made the SEC All American team as a true freshman RT, can turn around his career. We'll see under Bricillo. Then there are guys like Flott, Wan'Dale, and Bellinger who will all be key pieces.

If three of these players prove to work out and be long term pieces, he'll be fine.
In 2022  
Toth029 : 5/13/2024 10:17 pm : link
Of course.
RE: RE: Giants have made it clear  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16513708 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 16513687 fkap said:


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they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL



Not premium money? He's a top 10 highest paid player in the league.

And Daboll has proven a lot more than Schoen to me.

What has Schoen's been most impressive move to date?


Okereke, specifically but the LB/Edge group overall. McFadden is a late round find. Thibodeaux and Burns.

LB has been an understand-valued and under-talented black hole for 20 years around here.
RE: I'm skeptical  
cosmicj : 5/14/2024 11:30 am : link
In comment 16513630 Jerry in_DC said:
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that Mara would hire anyone better than these guys, so I'd be happy to give them all the rope. I think Schoen has been mediocre at best so far, but he's still a lot better than the traditional Mara way or doing business


That’s my view, too. Do I trust Schoen or Mara more? The question answers itself.
RE: RE: RE: Giants have made it clear  
TyreeHelmet : 5/14/2024 3:27 pm : link
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they aren't sold on DJ. The contract was too rich, but structured to allow an out after this year, and it's not like it was premium QB money.

Schoen seems like he's not sold.

Asshat word was that Daboll was head over heels in love with Nabers, so if anyone is tripling down, it's him.

Last year was a shit show for Daboll. Very little there to inspire confidence in him. Another bad showing, and he's history. Schoen survives another year or two regardless.

Yeah, DG (and Coughlin, too, for that matter) retired. LOL



Not premium money? He's a top 10 highest paid player in the league.

And Daboll has proven a lot more than Schoen to me.

What has Schoen's been most impressive move to date?



Okereke, specifically but the LB/Edge group overall. McFadden is a late round find. Thibodeaux and Burns.

LB has been an understand-valued and under-talented black hole for 20 years around here.


That's fair but also not that impressive. Again I still have hope but he has a lot left to prove.
Put it this way:  
mittenedman : 5/14/2024 4:02 pm : link
There's no reason not to expect this team to win this year.

These are his hand-picked players and they've spent a ton of resources putting this roster together.

$352M in guaranteed $$$ the last 2 years.

And Mara's OK being years away? I doubt that.
CB is the weakness that's going to hamstring this team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2024 4:31 pm : link
They have no depth or experience at a position where you need at least 3 trusted starters. They have 1 guy.
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