OG is out again going to need big games from Divo and McBride if this team has any chance of recovering. Hopefully the MSG crowd is a factor. Let’s get this pivotal game!
We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
I think we are really missing Mitch too. At first I didn't think this was going to be a good matchup for Mitch but we definitely miss his presence in the paint and his rebounding. IHart has not been good outside of his passing.
I'm afraid the injuries have finally caught up to them.
Forget OG for this series. He ain't coming back, no matter what the Knicks say. Brunson looks too hobbled by that right foot injury to be himself. You can only use that "next man up" mantra for so long until you actually run outta men.
I hope I'm wrong, but the Knicks look done now. Like it or not, the Pacers are now the favorites in this series due to these injuries the Knicks have to deal with. Overcoming the OG injury is a bridge too far. If Indy win Game 5 tonight, then it'll be over in 6 when they return to Gainbridge Fieldhouse in Indy. I hope I'm wrong and the Knicks ball out tonight and find a way, but my head tells me it's not gonna happen. My heart, of course, is another matter. #LGK
And I know everyone will point to the lack of offense
But their D has looked like shit. Guys are not closing out, you have two guys running to the same shooter meaning they don't understand their rotations, etc. The rebounding hasn't been good. Hart is on a mission but besides him, guys aren't really doing their jobs. We have to be better in both areas if they want to win.
as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
He is hurt a lot, BUT look at how much better this team is with him in the line-up. The Knicks have to re-sign him and just hope he can manage the injuries better. Just have to deal with it.
you get home court in a game 5 with the series tied 2-2, yeah they are hurt andnthey took a haymaker on sunday, but the bell hasnt rung and the Pacers may be dancing andnthinking they did something but they havnt done anything yet..They still have to come into the Garden and win a game..
Couple of adjustments:
1) Start Deuce or Burks instead of Precious, Precious at the 4 simply doesnt work and everytime they start that way they start slow...He cant shoot and his defense and rebounding has nlt been good enough to justify starting him.
With Deuce or Burks it spreads out the Pacers, Siakim cant just freely help on everything and if he does, the corners are wide open.
2) With the new starting lineup, i am putting Ihart on Siakim and Hart on Turner. Turner doesnt want to post up all game, its not his game, he wants to stand on the perimiter and run pick and pop. If he does post up, send the double or quickly switch.
This also allows you to switch on every pick and pop they try to run and doesnt allow Haliburton to turn the corner.
3) Let Hart or divencenzo bring the ball up when Nesmith is on Brunson. Make Nembhard and Haliburton defend a little bit, run pick and roll and allow Hart or Divencenzo be the ball handler, Brunson will get his oppurtunities but this will allow him to not have to go crazy going 1 on 1.
4) Drive the lane, with 4 shooters on the court and Ihart the lane should be wide open and if they cknverge, kick and find the open man, make these guys habe to defend.
5) Deuce has to make them pay from 3, he has to knock down those open looks, if he does the defens eon Brunson will have to relax a little..In game 2 the 3s were falling and the Pacers had absolutely no answer
as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
not resigning OG will set this franchise back a lot
Why is anyone even bringing up the possibility of letting OG walk?
The team is one of the best in the league when he’s on the court, and honestly the deal is probably already done. They didn’t give up Barrett and Quickley for a 4 month rental.
as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
not resigning OG will set this franchise back a lot
They are fully committed to resigning OG they gave up a lot for him and it wasn't a half year rental.
Anyway this season ends we know what we have with Randle, bojan and Mitch next season. Hopefully Hartenstein takes a little hometown discount and stays around.
The team is built to contend.
Players for him and we are capped out even if we don’t resign him so not giving him a contract doesn’t actually do anything for us. They do need to manage his minutes next season though. He should be a 30 mpg guy during the regular season (no back to backs) and hope the decreased workload keeps him healthier. He went from not playing because of the elbow to playing 45 mpg, an injury was inevitable. And that’s not a criticism of Thibs, he had no choice and I would have done the same thing.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
In a close one. The reason? By playing an afternoon game on Sunday, and guys sitting out the 4th quarter, it's basically the equivalent of having two days of rest as opposed to only one. Getting blown out on Sunday may turn out to be a blessing in disguide for this reason. I think the Knicks will come out rested, and as a result will be sharp and focused. Brunson goes for 35 and the three's will hit like normal from the shooter's. Let's go!
Go look at how many games he’s played especially the past 3 seasons. It’s under 50 for the most part. I can’t see him being less injury prone as he gets older either. Also, the Knicks did not give up that much at all to get him. Quickley was leaving and they were able to dump Barrett’s contract. They gave up no picks. Again, when OG is playing he is an absolute difference maker for this team but they have to consider that he is potentially unreliable.
Go look at how many games he’s played especially the past 3 seasons. It’s under 50 for the most part. I can’t see him being less injury prone as he gets older either. Also, the Knicks did not give up that much at all to get him. Quickley was leaving and they were able to dump Barrett’s contract. They gave up no picks. Again, when OG is playing he is an absolute difference maker for this team but they have to consider that he is potentially unreliable.
But what’s the plan to replace his productivity then? That’s the problem. We’d all love to find someone more reliable but we don’t have cap space. So what do you propose?
Go look at how many games he’s played especially the past 3 seasons. It’s under 50 for the most part. I can’t see him being less injury prone as he gets older either. Also, the Knicks did not give up that much at all to get him. Quickley was leaving and they were able to dump Barrett’s contract. They gave up no picks. Again, when OG is playing he is an absolute difference maker for this team but they have to consider that he is potentially unreliable.
Ok so who is replacing him and how? you used 2 of your better assets to get him...
You still need to find a 2nd star, so hownyou getting a 2nd star and replacing your perfect fit 3rd guy?
My hope is that they give him like 20 something instead of 40. But considering how many teams have cap space this offseason, and the record with him in the lineup, that he'll get all the money.
But I think we win tonight. There’s too much pride with this team. I also think the Garden crowd gets on Carlisle and Haliburton early and often. I’m hoping someone gets creative with their heckling and dresses like a baby for Carlisle or something like that.
as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
He is hurt a lot, BUT look at how much better this team is with him in the line-up. The Knicks have to re-sign him and just hope he can manage the injuries better. Just have to deal with it.
Hope is not a strategy to borrow a Steve Cohenism. If they re-sign him, which I'd be fine with, they need to learn how to manage him. He gets dinged. I've made the sports car analogy with him before. They need to manage his minutes and make an ultimatum to Thibs, Coughlin style cira post 2006. The goal with OG is to get him to the playoffs healthy and give him time off during the regular season as needed, NOT run him into the ground. OG is what he is. He's a FANTASTIC basketball player. We all see that and understand how important he is to the makeup of this team going forward. His agent is Leon Rose's son, so I'd say it's safe to assume the framework of a deal has already been worked out.
Go look at how many games he’s played especially the past 3 seasons. It’s under 50 for the most part. I can’t see him being less injury prone as he gets older either. Also, the Knicks did not give up that much at all to get him. Quickley was leaving and they were able to dump Barrett’s contract. They gave up no picks. Again, when OG is playing he is an absolute difference maker for this team but they have to consider that he is potentially unreliable.
But what’s the plan to replace his productivity then? That’s the problem. We’d all love to find someone more reliable but we don’t have cap space. So what do you propose?
I don’t know what the answer to this is but Leon has been pretty good at figuring out these issues. Again, love the player but are we confident that his contract isn’t going to turn into a disaster? I’ll be happy either way as this team is going in a positive direction and I trust what Leon is doing.
RE: You have to resign OG. We gave up two rotation
Players for him and we are capped out even if we don’t resign him so not giving him a contract doesn’t actually do anything for us. They do need to manage his minutes next season though. He should be a 30 mpg guy during the regular season (no back to backs) and hope the decreased workload keeps him healthier. He went from not playing because of the elbow to playing 45 mpg, an injury was inevitable. And that’s not a criticism of Thibs, he had no choice and I would have done the same thing.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
You hit the nail on the head regarding managing his minutes next season, assuming the NYK re-sign him (I think it's safe to say we all want him back despite the injuries). 30 mpg in the regular season and no back-to-backs is the way to go with him and then it gets ramped up in the playoffs of course.
We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
and they can win this series. Even if you back to when things were at their worse this season, which sadly is emulating this exact moment. No depth at center. No OG. No Randle. Even then, when the team was stripped to the bare bones, that being the Villanova trio and IHart, the Knicks still won some games even if their record was sub 500. They can steal one tonight. Shoot the lights out and get this one. Mimic game 3 except this time you close.
1) I'd start Burks not Deuce. Burks is a little bigger.
2) The Pacers have done a great job getting under the Knicks skin with physical play. The Knicks need to be physical with Haliburton and get in his head.
3) Def let someone else bring up the ball when they pickup Jalen full court.
4) McConnell - stop overplaying him - force him left and shooting outside shots
In the final analysis JVG said it best, it is make or miss league, if the Knicks are hitting 3's they can win this game.
Remember Imdiana got blown out in Game 5 in Milwaukee without Giannis as they were feeling too good about themselves and could have won Game 4.
I'd expect a better game from Brunson tonight and then he has 3 days of rest til Game 6.
Regarding OG, don't think we see him again in this series.
Not sure Indy has the killer instinct to win a game like this on the road, but I’m not sure we can beat them right now without OG. Something’s gotta give.
I think we are really missing Mitch too. At first I didn't think this was going to be a good matchup for Mitch but we definitely miss his presence in the paint and his rebounding. IHart has not been good outside of his passing.
Agreed. Ihart is a nice defensive player maybe even better than that but certain matchups or moments can give him problems, just like any center can have moments of struggle. When you had Mitch you basically had a guarantee that one of the centers here was going to dominate. Not anymore. And then you have the minutes and fatigue issue.
tough breaks. What can you do. All I ask from the basketball gods is over the next 4-5 seasons give this franchise at least one or two postseason runs of good health. I think if they can get one of those charmed runs that only the scumbag lakers and celtics seem to enjoy we can win a chip. Not asking much. Just give the KNicks one fucking run that every other title team enjoys over and over again.
you literally are 1 piece away from a contender, if you want to say Randle heakthy is that piece, thats fine, i dont agree, i dontt hink Randle at 50 million is something i would do..
but you have:
a superstar in Brunson
your 3rd guy in OG who will play defense, shoot the 3 and is not a high usage player
elite role players in Divencenzo and Hart..
Hartenstein and Mitch are more than capable as your center, if you want tonuograde to a shooter no argument there..
You have the assets to go get the 2nd star next to Brunson and become a title contender
Players for him and we are capped out even if we don’t resign him so not giving him a contract doesn’t actually do anything for us. They do need to manage his minutes next season though. He should be a 30 mpg guy during the regular season (no back to backs) and hope the decreased workload keeps him healthier. He went from not playing because of the elbow to playing 45 mpg, an injury was inevitable. And that’s not a criticism of Thibs, he had no choice and I would have done the same thing.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
OG will get signed. His agent is Scott Rose. Leon’s son
Is being emotional. The Knicks are an elite team with OG on the court.
AJ do you get the vibe the Knicks will be ready to play tonight?
They won’t lay down. I think they win tonight.
Sunday was blown out of proportion because literally nobody could hit a shot and they had to chase the pacers up and down the court in transition because of that.
Yeah there is no way on earth to question it we're resigning OG
The guy is elite at what he does and you don't let him walk away. I'm fine with managing his minutes, but I'm glad I'm not the one that gets to bring that up with Thibs. As for tonight I still have confidence in this team. They're home and when these tough series gets down to the nitty gritty the mentally tougher team usually comes out on top and that's us in this matchup. It probably comes down to the late 4th qtr Sunday but I have confidence we pull it out.
The Knicks are 26-5 with OG and as she showed in Game 2 before getting hurt, there is more offensive potential to tap into. There is no way he is resigned.
The question for the off-season is whether or not the Knicks upgrade or keep Randle.
The Houston Rockets are a real problem in the quest to get Bridges. It seems that Durant is more likely to get traded than Booker if anyone is traded from the Suns. Is Mitchell a fit. Brandan Ingram does not seem like a great fit.
1) I'd start Burks not Deuce. Burks is a little bigger.
2) The Pacers have done a great job getting under the Knicks skin with physical play. The Knicks need to be physical with Haliburton and get in his head.
3) Def let someone else bring up the ball when they pickup Jalen full court.
4) McConnell - stop overplaying him - force him left and shooting outside shots
In the final analysis JVG said it best, it is make or miss league, if the Knicks are hitting 3's they can win this game.
Remember Imdiana got blown out in Game 5 in Milwaukee without Giannis as they were feeling too good about themselves and could have won Game 4.
I'd expect a better game from Brunson tonight and then he has 3 days of rest til Game 6.
Regarding OG, don't think we see him again in this series.
Spot on. Great points about Burks and Indy's immaturity.
He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
This new Knicks culture seems to get guys to sign a bit below market value and with descending values of their contract, I'm sure they will try to do the same with OG.
Over a number of years. Rose has proven that he not only makes mostly the correct signings ( outside of Fournier& Kemba but that was very low risk) he signs the right guys to great contracts. I have total trust he'll work of the OG & IHart contracts this off season to deals that will work well for the Knicks.
He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
OMG I wouldn't be able to stomach him going to the 76ers.
but I'm having trouble. I just hope Brunson can give us that 1A Superstar performance we've come to expect. If we can win tonight, Indiana has no reason to believe they are walking in here and winning a game 7 no matter what happens Friday.
We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
Doesn't matter the reason. We have guys who csn shoot. Watching DD go off in the 3rd quarter only to get frozen out by Brunson in the 4th of game 3 was absurd. As everyone is saying, Brunson is hurt. Enough with the excuses. If Brunson is moving the ball and guys aren't stepping up then we'll cross thay bridge when we get there. To not give your teammates a chance is unacceptable, especially when you aren't 100%. Brunson admitted as much but you can keep dying on that sword.
The Knicks have a very difficult decision to make regarding OG. It's
obvious the value he brings to the team when he's on the floor. But is it smart to tie up $40m in cap space in a player who is and has always been frequently out with injuries?
RE: The Knicks have a very difficult decision to make regarding OG. It's
obvious the value he brings to the team when he's on the floor. But is it smart to tie up $40m in cap space in a player who is and has always been frequently out with injuries?
It’s not difficult at all.
RE: The Knicks have a very difficult decision to make regarding OG. It's
obvious the value he brings to the team when he's on the floor. But is it smart to tie up $40m in cap space in a player who is and has always been frequently out with injuries?
The best wing defender in the league who can guard multiple positions and turns the team into contenders. Not difficult at all.
RE: The Knicks have a very difficult decision to make regarding OG. It's
obvious the value he brings to the team when he's on the floor. But is it smart to tie up $40m in cap space in a player who is and has always been frequently out with injuries?
How do you replace him then?
Remember Knicks still want to trade for a 2nd star, so how are you doing that and replacing OG?
the decision is not hard at all
RE: And I know everyone will point to the lack of offense
But their D has looked like shit. Guys are not closing out, you have two guys running to the same shooter meaning they don't understand their rotations, etc. The rebounding hasn't been good. Hart is on a mission but besides him, guys aren't really doing their jobs. We have to be better in both areas if they want to win.
But, as pointed out above, he has played a mostly full schedule, with the exception being shortened seasons and this year. His surgery this year was to correct an existing condition and the hammy is just one of those things. More than his offense, they need to re-sign him for his D. They are a very different team with him on the floor.
The recipe for wins in these playoffs has been DD getting off to a hot start with an electric home crowd.
He needs to put up 25+ for them to go into the 4th quarter with a good chance of winning tonight. They are just too injured and have too many impact guys out.
Bringing back OG is a no brainer. They are likely the 2nd best team in the east with him on the team, and really could be a finals contender next year with him healthy.
Hell, they are a finals contender THIS YEAR with him healthy.
The recipe for wins in these playoffs has been DD getting off to a hot start with an electric home crowd.
He needs to put up 25+ for them to go into the 4th quarter with a good chance of winning tonight. They are just too injured and have too many impact guys out.
Agreed. And that is with or without injuries...but more important with them. I said before the playoffs, he may be one of the most important keys to the entire post season (across the league). If he shoots like he did the 2nd half of the season and defends, he is a huge boost to this team. When he doesn't, they struggle.
How bout Lebron showing up last night at the Cleveland game?
But other guys don’t get the pass he’s seemingly getting. He’s the golden boy among a lot of NBA fans but he needs to deliver. He’s played like trash for the most part during these playoffs with Kyrie bailing him out. SGA is completely outplaying him in this series. Also I don’t think there’s anyone else in the league even close to him when it comes to whining for calls. He needs to stop, it’s ridiculous. Eagle even called him out for it.
SGA is a damn stud. I disagree with Shaq, Jokic deserved the MVP. But SGA was the right runner-up choice. Two way stud and scoring machine.
I think Minny’s size would overwhelm the Thunder in a potential series, but Edwards vs. SGA would be such an awesome battle.
Any talk of not resigning him is absurd. Even limiting his minutes or not playing back to backs doesn’t make sense. He’s a 26 year old elite athlete and his injuries haven’t been from wear and tear. It’s not like he has a chronic knee issue like Kawhi. Bone spur in the elbow, apendectomy, even the hamstring was a fluke play. Guys get injured, it’s the NBA.
You sign him and don’t think twice about it. He’s a tremendous player that couldn’t fit any better here.
This also shouldn’t be a surprise but I work with a woman he knows him very well. She said he’s a wonderful guy, really humble and nice.
We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
Doesn't matter the reason. We have guys who csn shoot. Watching DD go off in the 3rd quarter only to get frozen out by Brunson in the 4th of game 3 was absurd. As everyone is saying, Brunson is hurt. Enough with the excuses. If Brunson is moving the ball and guys aren't stepping up then we'll cross thay bridge when we get there. To not give your teammates a chance is unacceptable, especially when you aren't 100%. Brunson admitted as much but you can keep dying on that sword.
No excuses you're right. I wasn't using injury excuses for Brunson. Was just one of those bad games.
I expect their best tonight. I just hope its enough. They are comically short handed now.
But other guys don’t get the pass he’s seemingly getting. He’s the golden boy among a lot of NBA fans but he needs to deliver. He’s played like trash for the most part during these playoffs with Kyrie bailing him out.
Not even close to being accurate. Luka is averaging 27, 10 and 9 for the playoffs; Kyrie 22, 3 and 6. There's only been one game where Kyrie outscored Luka by more than 2 points; there have been a few where Luka outscored Kyrie by significant margins.
Luka didn't shoot particularly well last night, but he still triple-doubled (18, 12 and 10) and was a more useful than Kyrie, who put up 9 points in 41 minutes.
But other guys don’t get the pass he’s seemingly getting. He’s the golden boy among a lot of NBA fans but he needs to deliver. He’s played like trash for the most part during these playoffs with Kyrie bailing him out.
Not even close to being accurate. Luka is averaging 27, 10 and 9 for the playoffs; Kyrie 22, 3 and 6. There's only been one game where Kyrie outscored Luka by more than 2 points; there have been a few where Luka outscored Kyrie by significant margins.
Luka didn't shoot particularly well last night, but he still triple-doubled (18, 12 and 10) and was a more useful than Kyrie, who put up 9 points in 41 minutes.
He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
Bottom line is Mavs won their first round series and are 2-2 against the number one seed, with Luka leading the way. He has not been outplayed by Kyrie by any stretch.
He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
Bottom line is Mavs won their first round series and are 2-2 against the number one seed, with Luka leading the way. He has not been outplayed by Kyrie by any stretch.
He's shooting 40%. Brunson is shooting 43.8%.
You sure about that?
Kyrie is shooting 50%, 43% from 3, efg% of 58, averaging 22 on 16 shots...
Brunson is shooting 44% 30 % from 3 and 50% efg...32 ppg
50.8 TS% is an extremely poor mark for a player, let alone one who takes as many shots as him. Kyrie is at an elite 61.6 TS%. Saying Kyrie is “carrying him” might’ve been too much, but Kyrie is outplaying him these playoffs. Luka also brings nothing to the table on defense and off-ball, so when he isn’t scoring right then his overall value really dips.
I’m a fan of his, I just want him to be a better overall player. I still expect him to win MVPs and Finals MVPs in the future, but it’s fair to bring up how poorly he’s played.
Redick to the Lakers would be funny. Definitely seems like a bright guy for the most part but it just feels weird. Cassell is who Id go after based on the little I know about all these candidates.
Kyrie is shooting 50%, 43% from 3, efg% of 58, averaging 22 on 16 shots...
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You gotta take 'em to make 'em. That Luka's role. Kyrie only took 11 shots in 41 minutes last night. That might keep the percentage up, but it's not what the Mavs need to win the game.
At that, Mavs were one missed free throw (by Luka) last night from being tied with 10 seconds to go and a good chance to go up 3-1 on the one seed.
coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Vincent is a nothing, he is not an asset..They also can only trade 25(after draft) and 29
Herro is a hlrrible fit for Cleveland, Herro and Garland backcourt is dog shit...They habe Jacquez and Jovic and thats it..only first they currently have available is 29 to trade..
coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Is there another Gabe Vincent I'm unaware of? The one on the Lakers missed most of the year injured (shot 30% from the field) when he was not and had a 9.0 PER/.038 WS/48 with Miami the season prior
coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Is there another Gabe Vincent I'm unaware of? The one on the Lakers missed most of the year injured (shot 30% from the field) when he was not and had a 9.0 PER/.038 WS/48 with Miami the season prior
Gabe Vincent might be a poor example as he was injured all year, but the Knicks only have picks and how valuable those picks is a question mark. Hero or Reeves are better than any player the Knicks can offer. The Knicks are not trading Donte and Mitch's value is probably not as strong as we might think around the league.
they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
He has 1 year left on his deal and holds all the cards. He wants NY or Miami and will refuse to sign a long term deal else where.
Knicks have the inside track if they want him and he would be a great fit with Brunson offensively
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
It was mentioned yesterday but i think this offseasom is going to be really fun, i am not looking past these playoffs and certainly not giving up, but this offseasom could propel the Knicms into ckntender status
they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
It was mentioned yesterday but i think this offseasom is going to be really fun, i am not looking past these playoffs and certainly not giving up, but this offseasom could propel the Knicms into ckntender status
I agree about this offseason. I wanna let these playoffs play out still of course, but I'm REALLY excited by the possibilities. The OG trade made in late December was transformative. This club was propelled into a higher rung of the Eastern Conference. I don't think they beat the Sixers without OG to be honest.
These guys can easily make a deal for another Shooting Guard or other player to join the starting 5 with the ammo they've got now and the situations we see throughout the association. Next year might be when this team's window opens for them to make deep playoff runs. They're primed. They need to get healthy too of course and re-sign some of their free agents (e.g., OG & Hartenstein).
they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
Come on that's bullshit. Randle has his flaws but he's a 2 time all nba player. He's a good starter for the majority of the teams in the league.
And do you really want to pay Herro 30 million a year for the next 3 years? I would argue Donte, Deuce and Robinson have more trade value than him.
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Both Bridges and George would be so fun to watch with OG on the wings defensively. Both guys would be great gets, although Bridges probably makes more sense due to age.
I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Both Bridges and George would be so fun to watch with OG on the wings defensively. Both guys would be great gets, although Bridges probably makes more sense due to age.
I thinj the Nets know Mikal doesnt eant tk be there and wants to be with his friends, the question is would they actually trade him here, i think Knicks would be willing to offer a lot of draft picks to do it
I'm less than confident. The OG injury seems like it was the last straw to me.
Talk me into believing, fellas.
Through 92 games this year including the playoffs, the Knicks FG% last game ranked as their 91st best percentage (79-73 L to Philly being the only one worse).
Their 3P% last game also ranked 91st out of 92 games.
They had maybe their worst shooting night of the year at a really bad time. But they're not going up against a defensive juggernaut, far from it. They just gotta get back in their groove.
I think they hold serve in MSG tonight, feels like a 7 game series without OG.
I'm less than confident. The OG injury seems like it was the last straw to me.
Talk me into believing, fellas.
I think the Knicks win tonight. Still the tougher team with the best player along with a raucous home crowd. Would love to get 20-30 points collectively from Burks/Deuce.
Any chance they try Shake Milton or anyone new tonight?
He seemingly changed his game this year to fit with the TEAM and was still producing. He scored a little less, but was still a 20/10 guy with some assists. A front court of him, OG, and Hartenstein, with Brunson and DiVincenzo is an excellent starting 5 and was the best team in the league for about a month. That bench looks so much better when it is Hart with Deuce and then Robinson or Precious.
He seemingly changed his game this year to fit with the TEAM and was still producing. He scored a little less, but was still a 20/10 guy with some assists. A front court of him, OG, and Hartenstein, with Brunson and DiVincenzo is an excellent starting 5 and was the best team in the league for about a month. That bench looks so much better when it is Hart with Deuce and then Robinson or Precious.
Calling him a 6th man is outrageous.
RE: RE: I don't get the shit directed at Randle here
He seemingly changed his game this year to fit with the TEAM and was still producing. He scored a little less, but was still a 20/10 guy with some assists. A front court of him, OG, and Hartenstein, with Brunson and DiVincenzo is an excellent starting 5 and was the best team in the league for about a month. That bench looks so much better when it is Hart with Deuce and then Robinson or Precious.
Calling him a 6th man is outrageous.
No shot that’s true. 3x All-Star, 2x All-NBA and he’s viewed as a bench player? Randle gets a bad rap because his body language sucks, and when things aren’t going well it looks even worse, but guys that can create their own shot, draw double teams like he does, and put up 23, 10, and 5 don’t just grow on trees.
Shit, everyone falls all over themselves for Paolo Banchero, and he plays a stylistically similar game to Randle. He’s 21 years old and doesn’t sulk so he’s viewed much differently, but if he ends up being a guy that averages 25-10-5 like Randle has done then is he going to be considered a bum like some here make Randle out to be?
I'm less than confident. The OG injury seems like it was the last straw to me.
Talk me into believing, fellas.
Pacers tried to throw a haymaker in game 4 and they thrw a good one, question is do the Knicks answer in game 5?
This team has gotten off the mat every time we expected them to be dead,i think you get a vintage game from Josh Hart and Isiah Hartenstein, i also Think Deuce will continue to get those wide open 3s and start to knock them down..
Knicks wednesday and thursday off after tinight, win tonight and your in the drivers seat going into game 6, well rested eith the possibikity of an OG return looming
Be prepared for the Pacers to come out hard tonight
and looking to put the nail in the coffin. I fully expect a barrage of three-point attempts and very physical defense to start the game. The Pacers and their fans all feel like they are swinging a 15 inch dick right now. I’d love to punt it right back into their body.
The Knicks really need to set the tone early in this game with their defense. Don’t let them breathe and stop giving them wide-open three-point shots.
Where so many players overperformed on their current contracts and JB turned into a superstar and we saw magical game after magical game, a true team that just seemed like something special was happening to... it sucks that season might end here due to injuries.
The thing that'll bug me for awhile if we don't win the East is that, if completely healthy, I think we could beat Boston even if Zinger was healthy for the Cs. But we'll never know.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
The thing that'll bug me for awhile if we don't win the East is that, if completely healthy, I think we could beat Boston even if Zinger was healthy for the Cs. But we'll never know.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
I wish we could watch a series with both teams at full health.
admittedly been a sloppy, choppy, start by the Knicks, but the last few possessions are encouraging. Need to be more patient on offense and hit some outside shots.
The thing that'll bug me for awhile if we don't win the East is that, if completely healthy, I think we could beat Boston even if Zinger was healthy for the Cs. But we'll never know.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
Problem by saying that is than you have to say if Embiid is fully healthy. If Giannis and Millard are fully healthy.
I don’t know who’s the best team is out of the 4 but we will never know now.
Can believe they replaced his brother with him. He’s far worse than Jeff
According to Van Gundy the Knicks should be called for a fouls on every play and the pacers have not committed a foul yet. He is absolutely insufferable
They called one that negated a Brunson 3 and another were they gave us 2 techs and a point for Indy…so maybe we’re better off with them not calling fouls for us
Why is it that so often some opponent has his career shooting night
Brunson and IHart looking good and healthy.
Burks and Precious looking like they can be pieces off the bench the rest of this series and if we move on.
Deuce looks good in the starting lineup.
I was pretty pessimistic coming into tonight, but not only can we still win this, I’m confident we can close it out Friday night at Indy.
Coaching my son's baseball game. He hit an absolute nuke and the Knicks are up 24. Whomever had Burks as a scoring machine in this playoff series on their bingo card more power to ya...
And they are laughing, taunting, and talking sh#t. Knicks win big... All business.
Yup, good call.
Brunson clearly hobbled - never mentions it, doesn't appear on the injury report at all. Hali says he's hobbled, milks it for all its worth, appears on the injury report every day.
Coaching my son's baseball game. He hit an absolute nuke and the Knicks are up 24. Whomever had Burks as a scoring machine in this playoff series on their bingo card more power to ya...
It really is impressive how Burks has been taken out of the deep-freezer and stepped right into big spots. Testament to his preparation and focus.
Shut up the critics of their talent, their minutes, their coach, and most importantly shut up the Pacers. They didn't run their mouths until they got up big. And they did it all despite what I would call a lopsided game from the officials.
I have to think Burks healed up his shoulder spending all that time on the bench. The important thing is he can give them important minutes and he's shooting better than Bogdanovich was.
All the talk on the radio today was how they would probably squeek by because of the Garden crowd and then Indy beats them at home. I think a game like this was such a statement it may just buoy them to win in 6.
I can't believe the thuggish ball they let the Pacers get away with.
And I think it’s cool that you have guys who were traded for one another (e.g. Starks/Spree; Carmelo/Chandler) hanging out and laughing it up. Now we just need Keith Van Horn to come to a game and hang with Tim Thomas!
And I think it’s cool that you have guys who were traded for one another (e.g. Starks/Spree; Carmelo/Chandler) hanging out and laughing it up. Now we just need Keith Van Horn to come to a game and hang with Tim Thomas!
Also, they need to bring Oakley back
How many teams in the NBA get that? I mean why wouldnt you want to play here, look at the support, even guys who didnt win shit and keft on bad terms are coming back..
Look at fricken Marbury man
RE: I like seeing all the former Knicks players at the game
And I think it’s cool that you have guys who were traded for one another (e.g. Starks/Spree; Carmelo/Chandler) hanging out and laughing it up. Now we just need Keith Van Horn to come to a game and hang with Tim Thomas and Spree!
Also, they need to bring Oakley back
Fixed
Ewing is 100x the Knick Oakley was. He made his bed now he can stay
If it's so obvious that the Knicks should move on from him because he can't stay healthy, why is anyone else going to take him?
I'd bet he's back.
They are 2 years at a reasonable salary. Mitch was expected to be out for the year but came back at less than 100%. Philly did a lot of cheap shots to his knees otherwise he may still be playing.
Don’t forget, especially with the praise iHart is getting for tonight’s game, Mitch is our best offensive rebounder. If we run it back next year with this same team then iHart’s minutes will protect Mitch just as JR’s can protect OG.
This is how the game is played I guess - take some shots at the Knicks, go on a Knicks podcast, both sides pick up a few followers along the way, everybody's happy.
Notice how the Knicks walked off the court tonight
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
This is how the game is played I guess - take some shots at the Knicks, go on a Knicks podcast, both sides pick up a few followers along the way, everybody's happy.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
Was about to post something similar. What’s the reason to run Mitch out of town? The guy was a beast, playing on one leg, against Embiid in round 1. He’s arguably the best offensive rebounder in the league (although looks like he’s rubbed off on ihart), an excellent defender, and has a dirt cheap contract.
Robinson signed a descending contract, he’s due to make 14 and 13 mil the next two years. Who are you finding that does what Mitch does for that cost? Even if he only plays 25 minutes per game next year, or misses 20 games, having the ability to deploy Mitch or Hartenstein depending on the matchup is worth the cost.
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
Exactly.
Do we have enough cap space to resign both OG and IHart
The Knicks are an over the cap team. They will be able to sign OG with Bird rights and Hartenstein with early bird rights. Issue with Hartenstein is they can only offer him 16-17 million, as much as they want to keep him the reality is someone else might offer him more than the Knicks are able to.
RE: Do we have enough cap space to resign both OG and IHart
the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
RE: Picking up my daughter from college Friday in MD I realllllly hope
Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
RE: If Knicks win on Friday would the Celtics series
Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
Haliburton went to the bench with 1:30 left in the 3rd and didn't come back in until 8 mins left in the 4th. While being down 20 points.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
That's how I am feeling. When we jumped out to a double digit lead, I thought if they win like this, my thoughts about Game 6 change. For one, Brunson looked healthy last night. That may be the biggest take away from the game. OG out was one thing. It was another to have a hurt and somewhat limited Brunson. Last night there seemed to be no ill effects.
Besides their overall health and Brunson looking like Brunson, I also think that game could be a dagger to Indy. They didn't have that swagger until they were up big in Game 4. I think they thought Game 3 was all about weathering an adrenaline aided Knicks team and that Game 4 was more of what was in store with the current state of the Knicks. The Knicks not just winning, but winning in a blowout was something the Pacers didn't think was possible. And the way the Knicks were all business about it also has an impact. I actually think the Knicks closeout the series on Friday now. But, I do expect a tough game, especially if the officials still let the Pacers to play thuggish.
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
I definitely don't want to get rid of Hartenstein. I said it back when Robinson went down early in the season. I like him better in the starting lineup, even if Robinson is healthy. I do admit to suggesting somewhere in this thread that Robinson should go. That is more if we had to choose between the two. With him still being under contract, as long as he is healthy, I am happy to have him off the bench. I'd rather see him in the bench role for reduced minutes translating into reduced wear and tear. But, if he can move, his rebounding and interior D are nice assets off the bench. I just think Hartenstein is better all around right now.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
Don't get me started on the weirs mitch takes around here.
He's one dimensional? He's a DPOTY candidate if he plays 65 games. HE's one of the best defensive bigs in the game and he can get you 1-15 pts from lobs and put backs when he's sleeping. He rebounds as well as any big. Those traits are not indicative of a player being one dimensional.
Also, last I checked the Knicks don't suffer from a spacing problem when Mitch is playing. He's staying here unless a no brainer trade is in the cards. No way in hell am I electing to move this guy simply because we might keep IHart. Why? You need both of these guys to really stabilize the position or have you guys not been watching this team all year long.
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
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I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
Haliburton went to the bench with 1:30 left in the 3rd and didn't come back in until 8 mins left in the 4th. While being down 20 points.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
Yeah i couldnt believe he was sitting on the bench, like you are in a series tied 2-2 where if you win this game you are in the drivers seat and your sitting? and they cut the lead to 12 and their offense then stalled...
Pacers players treated that gsme like they were up 3-1, i truly believe they thought they knocked the Knicks out in game 4 and they thought it was over...
Csrslisle made the comment of well they havnt been in this situation before, well now your in a must win game where if you lose your out, how are they going to react?
and i also think them dancing around the court in game 4 and pointing and laughing at the Knicks and Haliburton jumping around and waving bye to the Knicms really pissed the Knicks off...You saw it in divencenzo, he played like he was fricken angry...
Good teams who habe been there dont act like the Pacers do
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
its not about that though, the 2nd apron is a real thing that will really hinder you from dojng anything...If you are not a title contender and hit that 2nd apron, you are done, regardless of the assets you think you have
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was hartrnstein, you can see the arm come up and the arm had a black sleeve on
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Good catch - the refs gave Burks a tech for nothing. If they called it right iHart wouldn’t get 2 techs regardless so the blown call ended up being a free point for Indy
He has zero offensive game. None. He can dunk, that's it. And he shoots 40% from the line so it's a real risk playing him late in tight games.
And yeah, I'll say it - you're overrating his defense. He's very good, but not as good as he was several years ago. He's not quite as athletic as he was. With those repeated ankle surgeries, that trend probably continues.
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I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q. link - ( New Window )
Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
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Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
He texted me last night that his thoughts on Haliburton have really changed after this series. He assumed Haliburton was future star, but now he looks like a front running loser, with a ceiling as a low end #2.
He texted me last night that his thoughts on Haliburton have really changed after this series. He assumed Haliburton was future star, but now he looks like a front running loser, with a ceiling as a low end #2.
Sums it up well. Indy has no shot of winning anything important with him as their best player. The players in the league will tire of his act too, if they haven’t already.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
So if we are talking about ECF game 1 that puts us 1 week out and 2 full weeks since the injury. I know you mentioned last week the Knicks, internally felt this would take about 10 days. Let’s close out Friday and then come out Wednesday healthy and rested.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
Do you think he'll play in a Game 7 if Knicks can't close it out Game 6? That would be a huge boost and if they went on to win that Game 7 with his return, he'd be a legend in this city.
RE: RE: If Knicks win on Friday would the Celtics series
likely start on Sunday or would there be a bigger gap between?
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Yeah they don't usually play around with the conf finals start like they do the 2nd rd. It's usually set so they can have both conferences running concurrently.
RE: RE: RE: Picking up my daughter from college Friday in MD I realllllly hope
the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I used to live on the DVR for sports. Problem is my kids are 16 & 19 and as big as sports nuts as I am and they set up their phones to get alerts. They can't wait or avoid the score the way I used to be able to so its out. He has a game I follow the score on my phone. Friday is different through. Driving back from MD I'm hoping to be home around 8. 6pm no way.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
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Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
Perhaps, but they didn’t call any techs until the (very gentle) throat shove. Portis was ejected for 2 distinct violent acts including a swing to the face.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
It depends what Cleveland wants to do, but those 27 and 29 picks from Phoenix have a lot of value without protections.
Pete44. They might, but depends what happens with Booker
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
Looking at this, I say why can’t a three way deal between the Knicks, Nets and Cavs work where the Nets get Mitchell, the Knicks get Bridges and the Cavs get picks from the Knicks and young players from the Nets?
Whatever, we're debating semantics or terminology. When I think one dimensional I think of a guy like Chris Dudley who literally could not score at all. Mitch isn't an offensive player at all but he can easily put down 15 pts just by being on the floor.
He's a terrific defensive player. You want to deal him in the right move fine by me. He's not just being dumped to make room for Ihart. You need both.
his offensive shortcomings aren't a problem here. We don't need the center to stretch the floor, not yet anyway.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
have given up on NYK after game 4, don’t underestimate Indy in game 6.
They’re stacked with scorers, and they’re good at home. Haliburton is playing hurt, but he’s still dangerous if he’s feeling OK. Although their frontcourt is soft and they’re not a good defensive team, the refs are giving them latitude to make contact, especially Nesmith.
Knicks will win though, because JB is wealthy, and Thibs > Carlisle.
his offensive shortcomings aren't a problem here. We don't need the center to stretch the floor, not yet anyway.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
I agree. A healthy Randle and OG, plus Robinson, Hart, and McBride off the bench (possible Bogdonavich/Burks also) - that team wins the East.
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.
Obviously they play totally different positions and have different games but Brunson and Jokic are similiar in that they're in charge of everything and see and adjust to the game so well that you can get to them and maybe confuse them for a game or two but they're so cerbral they'll figure it out and deal what is being thrown at them. Brunson did it in the Philly series with all the length and physical play they threw at him full court with Batum and Oubre but he figured it out the last 4 games of that series and scored 40 per. Same thing here games 3 and 4 he was banged up and all the talk was how they discovered the secret formula with Nesmith on him. How'd that work out? Jokic was befuddled the first 2 games vs. Minny, but he figured them out the last 3 games. He's so damn good. Smart talented players figure it out.
can't see the Celtics losing to a Mitchell-less Cavs tonight, so I have to assume game 6 will tip off at 8. What's with these odd tip off times anyway? 3:30 on Mother's Day, potentially 6 PM on a Friday?
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
I disagree, I don’t think it would be a waste. It further solidifies defense with very strong defender at the 2 guard, who can guard 1-3, sometimes 4. An above average shooter who passes and rebounds very well for his position and can integrate into the team without disrupting the current construct. He can score 20+ if needed or do all of the little things that wins games, series. It pushes DDV to the bench with Deuce, Hart, Mitch (+ maybe Achiwua).
Booker is my perfect fit but if you can get Bridges for 60 cents on the dollar, it would be foolish not to. Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, IHart with a bench of Deuce, DDV, Hart, Robinson is clearly the best team in the east and arguably in the league.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
I just do not see KAT to the Knicks. Bad contract, hurt a lot, soft. Seems like a strange fit.
is another reason to love this team and its culture.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
is another reason to love this team and its culture.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
OG is also a pending free agent with a lot on the line. The opposite of Jeremy Lin...
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
Not so. They were 12-2 from OG's first game through the game Randle and OG got hurt.
Brunson missed two of those games, in which they were 1-1, so they were 11-1 with all three.
In the 12-2 stretch, they were 8-0 against teams that didn't make the playoffs and 4-2 against teams that did.
They won one road game against a playoff team in that whole stretch (at Philly).
As it so happens, Randle and OG were pretty bad in that Philly game: combined 4-22 from the field. You know who had a great game? Quentin Grimes, now long gone.
Home wins in January have to be taken with a grain of salt. Knicks caught the Nuggets on the last day of a six game trip. They caught Miami coming in on a five game losing streak. They played the T-wolves on New Year's Day afternoon; you can imagine how much sleep the players were performing on.
It's an absurdly small sample on which to base any serious analytic conclusion about the future.
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
I don't see it. It's not the way he does things. Plus, he's a consummate pro, they'd be better off keeping him and gamble on a sign and trade vs losing him for nothing or trading him to a team that sees him as a rental.
I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bridges would be a smooth addition.
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
If he plays like he did last season, maybe they change their tune. Bridges looked like a guy being held hostage, it was the worst season he has had in a while, and I think a lot of it is he just doesn't want to be in Brooklyn.
I don't think he is the type to do it, but Bridges can make the Nets uncomfortable if he makes it known he wants to be traded. Do you trade him this summer and get peak value, or do you run the risk of him being unmotivated, get off to a slow start, and then you're faced with trying to move him at the deadline when he is 18 months from free agency...
this second hand this isnt someone directly inside the Nets or with Mikal, but all the stuff he has done like go to the Villanova game and sit courtside with Jalen or go on their podcast, laughing with them after games, they are him trying to basically tell the Nets come on please trade me without directly saying it..
He thinks if he pisses off the fans maybe Nets would have no choice and not care
But Marks did acquiesce to Kyrie’s trade demand, he sent Harden to the Sixers which is where he wanted to go, and he sent Durant to the Suns which was his top destination. I think Brooklyn wants to be viewed as player friendly, that’s part of their plan to try to attract a star.
Moving Bridges to the Knicks tracks with those other moves and that line of thought, holding him hostage sends the total opposite message and undoes a lot of the good rep they may have previously built up.
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
I think they may not feel pressured to make a big move
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Celtics are gonna have to turn it on eventually
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
I’d prepare for Haliburton to come out aggressive early on and setting the tone. Home court will help this team a lot. We need to make sure to shut down Hali and not let him get in a groove. If we do that, I really like our chances in game 6.
And maybe Donte can hit some shots, lol.
RE: The Celtics are gonna have to turn it on eventually
You need a 2nd guy to create offense. They can't continue to put this much pressure on Brunson.
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
Randle is that guy who can create offense. Other than Booker and PG, you could not craft a better style/type of player for this teams as its currently constructed than Bridges. But it’s for naught anyway as there is little chance the Nets would trade him to the Knicks. Be he’d slide in perfectly on this squad, even without the Nova connection
If Cavs resign Mitchell, Rich Paul will ask the team to move Garland. Seems someone isn't happy
Garland is a trash, soft player...
Seems like a lot of changes are coming to Cleveland, Shams mentioned players were annoyed Allen didnt do more to try and play, sat out 8 games wjth a bruised rib
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
if they win then the ECF doesn't start until Tuesday...if Denver wins and we win tomorrow, its ECF Sunday afternoon
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
Yeab i know nothing carrys over from game to game, but the way Denver has come back in this series, it feels like the momentum is to great for Minny to come back from
The NBA is off their rocker making the Knicks potentially
play a Friday night 8:30 game then travel to Boston to start the next series and play a game a day and a half later. Why bother? Just hand game 1 to the Celtics and start with game 2. Can it be any easier for the Celtics? Play 2 teams you clearly out class to begin with, and take the best players off those teams for most if not the whole series. Now this. Maybe we should just let the Celtics call their own fouls like a pick-up game.
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Knicks match up fairly well with Boston at full strength. The biggest need there is someone who can defend Porzingis. The Knicks tend to struggle to defend those types of stretch bigs
RE: RE: Brunson and Donovan would be a bad marriage
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
They do not
I am guessing the aknicks are seeing what they are doing
I’m assuming you bringing it up is more than a hunch but I’m not sure what the bulls would want other than maybe Deuce as a younger version of Caruso or Mitch, who I’d imagine has more value than Caruso at this point?
I’m assuming you bringing it up is more than a hunch but I’m not sure what the bulls would want other than maybe Deuce as a younger version of Caruso or Mitch, who I’d imagine has more value than Caruso at this point?
I don't think Mitch has much trade value at all right now. Another injury-plagued season where he came back and didn't look the same then got hurt again. Even going into the last year of his deal I'd imagine Caruso has a lot of trade value.
can shoot the 3, can play the backup point innspots, can play next to anyone..
My guess the cost is at least 3 firsts
The question is if he's worth 3 firsts or Deuce and 2 1sts. Going into the last year of his deal means he's gonna have to get paid to keep him at which point he'll be 31
I don’t think they’re including Deuce or Precious in any move
I think they think they can improve Precious into a big who can shoot the 3 enough to keep teams honest. Remember they didn’t have an offseason with him.
I think we see an even bigger Precious jump next year.
I think they think they can improve Precious into a big who can shoot the 3 enough to keep teams honest. Remember they didn’t have an offseason with him.
I think we see an even bigger Precious jump next year.
I hope you’re right. His 3 is pretty broken though so that would require quite a leap.
Then maybe it would be Mitch going. Vucevic both stinks and they were playing him at the 4 to end last season.
That if they can add both Caruso and Mikal Bridges…wow. Good luck scoring against Caruso Bridges and OG to close out games. Or to start games. Or at any point.
That if they can add both Caruso and Mikal Bridges…wow. Good luck scoring against Caruso Bridges and OG to close out games. Or to start games. Or at any point.
Not sure they’d add both. Next years playoff rotation would be Brunson, DDV, OG, Randle, ihart, deuce, Caruso/bridges, hart, and precious. That’s already 9. No chance they’d play 10.
If they can’t get a star, I think they look to add Caruso or Bridges plus a backup ball handler - probably using one the firsts on a rookie.
I don’t think they need the star to win the title next year.
That if they can add both Caruso and Mikal Bridges…wow. Good luck scoring against Caruso Bridges and OG to close out games. Or to start games. Or at any point.
Against certain teams a closing lineup of Brunson, Djvencenzo, caruso, Mikal, OG...
With Hart mixed in, oh the defense and shooting...
I really want Mikal, but i am not going to get my hopes up with the Nets trading him tl Ny
He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
on brand, guaranteed he thought it was recorded and could be edited and found out it was live and his agent said no
I only heard CP said that his agent reached out to reschedule. Hilarious though CP just blew him up for his lame takes. Called him the "Chris Broussard of new media." Which makes me think that Draymond and Chris Broussard won't be coming on KFTV anytime soon.
He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
The best fit for Bridges is the starting 4 with Hartenstein, OG, DDV and Brunson
Randle is not going to be Happy not playing 34 plus minutes same with Bridges.
They are both best starting at the 4 and OG needs 34+ at the 3 especially in the playoffs when minutes get tighter.
He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
The best fit for Bridges is the starting 4 with Hartenstein, OG, DDV and Brunson
Randle is not going to be Happy not playing 34 plus minutes same with Bridges.
They are both best starting at the 4 and OG needs 34+ at the 3 especially in the playoffs when minutes get tighter.
I think you’re thinking of Miles Bridges. Mikal Bridges is a 2/3 wing, dude’s not a power forward. OG could play the 4 but Bridges isn’t, his fit next to Randle is not an issue.
well Pacers are at home and they are going to start fast and have tons of eneefy that the Knicks wont be able to match and Pacers win game 6..
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
well Pacers are at home and they are going to start fast and have tons of eneefy that the Knicks wont be able to match and Pacers win game 6..
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
Haliburton will play better. He always shoots well and has big first halves at home. Wouldn't surprise me if he hits 4-5 threes in first half. Key will be limiting damage from Siakam and Turner, and Knicks winning the rebound battle.
well Pacers are at home and they are going to start fast and have tons of eneefy that the Knicks wont be able to match and Pacers win game 6..
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
Yeah, I literally said this the other day, lol. The Pacers will feed off the home court advantage and try to come out hard. The Pacers go as Halliburton goes. Shutting him down early is the key to taking that game. Can’t let him get in a groove. I’m realistic about our chances against the Celtics but, boy do I want to shut these posers up.
Pacers fans continue to talk an insane amount of shit…compared to Knicks fans. I feel we are all business while they are the little piss-ant brother that wont shut the fuck up. What a weird fanbase lol.
Good result for the Knicks. If the Knicks win tomorrow and Denver had won they would have had to play the Celtics Sunday. No matter what at this point the ECF won’t start till Tuesday.
well Pacers are at home and they are going to start fast and have tons of eneefy that the Knicks wont be able to match and Pacers win game 6..
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
If I’m a pacers fan what would scare me is anything can happen in this game. The Knicks are fully capable of coming in there and shooting the lights out early on, playing downhill and sneaking out with the clincher. There’s a reason teams lose more often than not when down 3-2. They have no margin for error. One insane 3 pt shooting quarter out of ragu or hart tomorrow night and things get hot under the collar real quick in Indy.
I hope I'm wrong, but the Knicks look done now. Like it or not, the Pacers are now the favorites in this series due to these injuries the Knicks have to deal with. Overcoming the OG injury is a bridge too far. If Indy win Game 5 tonight, then it'll be over in 6 when they return to Gainbridge Fieldhouse in Indy. I hope I'm wrong and the Knicks ball out tonight and find a way, but my head tells me it's not gonna happen. My heart, of course, is another matter. #LGK
He is hurt a lot, BUT look at how much better this team is with him in the line-up. The Knicks have to re-sign him and just hope he can manage the injuries better. Just have to deal with it.
Couple of adjustments:
1) Start Deuce or Burks instead of Precious, Precious at the 4 simply doesnt work and everytime they start that way they start slow...He cant shoot and his defense and rebounding has nlt been good enough to justify starting him.
With Deuce or Burks it spreads out the Pacers, Siakim cant just freely help on everything and if he does, the corners are wide open.
2) With the new starting lineup, i am putting Ihart on Siakim and Hart on Turner. Turner doesnt want to post up all game, its not his game, he wants to stand on the perimiter and run pick and pop. If he does post up, send the double or quickly switch.
This also allows you to switch on every pick and pop they try to run and doesnt allow Haliburton to turn the corner.
3) Let Hart or divencenzo bring the ball up when Nesmith is on Brunson. Make Nembhard and Haliburton defend a little bit, run pick and roll and allow Hart or Divencenzo be the ball handler, Brunson will get his oppurtunities but this will allow him to not have to go crazy going 1 on 1.
4) Drive the lane, with 4 shooters on the court and Ihart the lane should be wide open and if they cknverge, kick and find the open man, make these guys habe to defend.
5) Deuce has to make them pay from 3, he has to knock down those open looks, if he does the defens eon Brunson will have to relax a little..In game 2 the 3s were falling and the Pacers had absolutely no answer
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not resigning OG will set this franchise back a lot
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as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
not resigning OG will set this franchise back a lot
They are fully committed to resigning OG they gave up a lot for him and it wasn't a half year rental.
Anyway this season ends we know what we have with Randle, bojan and Mitch next season. Hopefully Hartenstein takes a little hometown discount and stays around.
The team is built to contend.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
But what’s the plan to replace his productivity then? That’s the problem. We’d all love to find someone more reliable but we don’t have cap space. So what do you propose?
Ok so who is replacing him and how? you used 2 of your better assets to get him...
You still need to find a 2nd star, so hownyou getting a 2nd star and replacing your perfect fit 3rd guy?
43 and 48 in 2 shortened seasons that were hard on a lot of players..
67 the year after..
50 this year because he had a bone spur in his elbow
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as well. I gotta tell you, I love OG but I’m starting to think re-signing him may be a mistake. The guy is always hurt and not just here. Is this something the Knicks want to keep dealing with?
He is hurt a lot, BUT look at how much better this team is with him in the line-up. The Knicks have to re-sign him and just hope he can manage the injuries better. Just have to deal with it.
Hope is not a strategy to borrow a Steve Cohenism. If they re-sign him, which I'd be fine with, they need to learn how to manage him. He gets dinged. I've made the sports car analogy with him before. They need to manage his minutes and make an ultimatum to Thibs, Coughlin style cira post 2006. The goal with OG is to get him to the playoffs healthy and give him time off during the regular season as needed, NOT run him into the ground. OG is what he is. He's a FANTASTIC basketball player. We all see that and understand how important he is to the makeup of this team going forward. His agent is Leon Rose's son, so I'd say it's safe to assume the framework of a deal has already been worked out.
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Go look at how many games he’s played especially the past 3 seasons. It’s under 50 for the most part. I can’t see him being less injury prone as he gets older either. Also, the Knicks did not give up that much at all to get him. Quickley was leaving and they were able to dump Barrett’s contract. They gave up no picks. Again, when OG is playing he is an absolute difference maker for this team but they have to consider that he is potentially unreliable.
But what’s the plan to replace his productivity then? That’s the problem. We’d all love to find someone more reliable but we don’t have cap space. So what do you propose?
I don’t know what the answer to this is but Leon has been pretty good at figuring out these issues. Again, love the player but are we confident that his contract isn’t going to turn into a disaster? I’ll be happy either way as this team is going in a positive direction and I trust what Leon is doing.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
You hit the nail on the head regarding managing his minutes next season, assuming the NYK re-sign him (I think it's safe to say we all want him back despite the injuries). 30 mpg in the regular season and no back-to-backs is the way to go with him and then it gets ramped up in the playoffs of course.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
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1) I'd start Burks not Deuce. Burks is a little bigger.
2) The Pacers have done a great job getting under the Knicks skin with physical play. The Knicks need to be physical with Haliburton and get in his head.
3) Def let someone else bring up the ball when they pickup Jalen full court.
4) McConnell - stop overplaying him - force him left and shooting outside shots
In the final analysis JVG said it best, it is make or miss league, if the Knicks are hitting 3's they can win this game.
Remember Imdiana got blown out in Game 5 in Milwaukee without Giannis as they were feeling too good about themselves and could have won Game 4.
I'd expect a better game from Brunson tonight and then he has 3 days of rest til Game 6.
Regarding OG, don't think we see him again in this series.
Agreed. Ihart is a nice defensive player maybe even better than that but certain matchups or moments can give him problems, just like any center can have moments of struggle. When you had Mitch you basically had a guarantee that one of the centers here was going to dominate. Not anymore. And then you have the minutes and fatigue issue.
tough breaks. What can you do. All I ask from the basketball gods is over the next 4-5 seasons give this franchise at least one or two postseason runs of good health. I think if they can get one of those charmed runs that only the scumbag lakers and celtics seem to enjoy we can win a chip. Not asking much. Just give the KNicks one fucking run that every other title team enjoys over and over again.
AJ do you get the vibe the Knicks will be ready to play tonight?
but you have:
a superstar in Brunson
your 3rd guy in OG who will play defense, shoot the 3 and is not a high usage player
elite role players in Divencenzo and Hart..
Hartenstein and Mitch are more than capable as your center, if you want tonuograde to a shooter no argument there..
You have the assets to go get the 2nd star next to Brunson and become a title contender
WHEN he's on the court, which hasn't been that often unfortunately.
As for tonight’s game, I think how they set the tone in the first will be key. Haliburton has been getting most of his points in the first quarter. If they can limit him and have a strong quarter I think they can hang with the pacers and hopefully have a chance to win it at the end. If we let them shoot wild from three early again, the game is over.
OG will get signed. His agent is Scott Rose. Leon’s son
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WHEN he's on the court, which hasn't been that often unfortunately.
Outside of the two shortened seasons and this season because of a freak bone spur he’s played at least 67 games each year.
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AJ do you get the vibe the Knicks will be ready to play tonight?
They won’t lay down. I think they win tonight.
Sunday was blown out of proportion because literally nobody could hit a shot and they had to chase the pacers up and down the court in transition because of that.
The question for the off-season is whether or not the Knicks upgrade or keep Randle.
The Houston Rockets are a real problem in the quest to get Bridges. It seems that Durant is more likely to get traded than Booker if anyone is traded from the Suns. Is Mitchell a fit. Brandan Ingram does not seem like a great fit.
1) I'd start Burks not Deuce. Burks is a little bigger.
2) The Pacers have done a great job getting under the Knicks skin with physical play. The Knicks need to be physical with Haliburton and get in his head.
3) Def let someone else bring up the ball when they pickup Jalen full court.
4) McConnell - stop overplaying him - force him left and shooting outside shots
In the final analysis JVG said it best, it is make or miss league, if the Knicks are hitting 3's they can win this game.
Remember Imdiana got blown out in Game 5 in Milwaukee without Giannis as they were feeling too good about themselves and could have won Game 4.
I'd expect a better game from Brunson tonight and then he has 3 days of rest til Game 6.
Regarding OG, don't think we see him again in this series.
Spot on. Great points about Burks and Indy's immaturity.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
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He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
This new Knicks culture seems to get guys to sign a bit below market value and with descending values of their contract, I'm sure they will try to do the same with OG.
Down in games...bad stretches in the season...losing key players..
And they have so often surprised and WON.
I do not expect them to win tonight; but I will not be surprised if they pull another rabbit out of the hat and get back on track.
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He's definitely back. The big question for me is what does the contract look like. The Sixers have space and if PG resigned with the Clips, OG is an obvious target between Joel and Maxey. For OG, I could see anything from the Dejounte Murry deal (4/120) to a full max given the 76ers, but would guess something like 4/140. They can also now do a 5 year non-max too.
I would agree but his agent is Leon Rose's son, he went to CAA to specifically get traded to the Knicks
OMG I wouldn't be able to stomach him going to the 76ers.
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We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
Doesn't matter the reason. We have guys who csn shoot. Watching DD go off in the 3rd quarter only to get frozen out by Brunson in the 4th of game 3 was absurd. As everyone is saying, Brunson is hurt. Enough with the excuses. If Brunson is moving the ball and guys aren't stepping up then we'll cross thay bridge when we get there. To not give your teammates a chance is unacceptable, especially when you aren't 100%. Brunson admitted as much but you can keep dying on that sword.
It’s not difficult at all.
The best wing defender in the league who can guard multiple positions and turns the team into contenders. Not difficult at all.
How do you replace him then?
Remember Knicks still want to trade for a 2nd star, so how are you doing that and replacing OG?
the decision is not hard at all
He needs to put up 25+ for them to go into the 4th quarter with a good chance of winning tonight. They are just too injured and have too many impact guys out.
Hell, they are a finals contender THIS YEAR with him healthy.
He needs to put up 25+ for them to go into the 4th quarter with a good chance of winning tonight. They are just too injured and have too many impact guys out.
Who the Lakers hire will be a huge tell on Lebron's future...
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Always applying pressure…..
Who the Lakers hire will be a huge tell on Lebron's future...
It is not only that, he wants them to draft his son and trade future picks for an established veteran like Trae Young.
SGA is a damn stud. I disagree with Shaq, Jokic deserved the MVP. But SGA was the right runner-up choice. Two way stud and scoring machine.
I think Minny’s size would overwhelm the Thunder in a potential series, but Edwards vs. SGA would be such an awesome battle.
You sign him and don’t think twice about it. He’s a tremendous player that couldn’t fit any better here.
This also shouldn’t be a surprise but I work with a woman he knows him very well. She said he’s a wonderful guy, really humble and nice.
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We need Brunson to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason we scored only 16 points in the 4th in game 3. He is forcing it too much and looking like Randle from years past. Shooting is a rhythm. If you are dominating the ball and only moving it when you get stuck, that isn't going to cut it. Basketball is such a simple sport. Move the ball and good things happen on offense.
Ask yourself why Randle forced things so much and why Brunson is now.
You know why. We're a 3 player team now.
We're fucked. Knicks could steal this series but we're not long for the postseason. We have no front court anymore. It's gone. We have no scoring wing on the bench. Matter of fact we don't even have a wing on the bench. We have one decent scoring guard on the bench but he's not a facilitator. One decent front court presence on the bench. And that's it. Our best rebounder is 6'4.
This turned south in a fucking hurry. We could handle Mitch being out if OG was out there because at least there would still be 3 elite starters on the floor if you think Hart is elite or at least brings an elite skill set. Ihart at least could hold center together but without Mitch the position is no longer elite. Now it's just OK.
Pray for a miracle and enjoy every minute that the Knicks are breathing.
Doesn't matter the reason. We have guys who csn shoot. Watching DD go off in the 3rd quarter only to get frozen out by Brunson in the 4th of game 3 was absurd. As everyone is saying, Brunson is hurt. Enough with the excuses. If Brunson is moving the ball and guys aren't stepping up then we'll cross thay bridge when we get there. To not give your teammates a chance is unacceptable, especially when you aren't 100%. Brunson admitted as much but you can keep dying on that sword.
No excuses you're right. I wasn't using injury excuses for Brunson. Was just one of those bad games.
I expect their best tonight. I just hope its enough. They are comically short handed now.
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Not even close to being accurate. Luka is averaging 27, 10 and 9 for the playoffs; Kyrie 22, 3 and 6. There's only been one game where Kyrie outscored Luka by more than 2 points; there have been a few where Luka outscored Kyrie by significant margins.
Luka didn't shoot particularly well last night, but he still triple-doubled (18, 12 and 10) and was a more useful than Kyrie, who put up 9 points in 41 minutes.
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coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
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But other guys don’t get the pass he’s seemingly getting. He’s the golden boy among a lot of NBA fans but he needs to deliver. He’s played like trash for the most part during these playoffs with Kyrie bailing him out.
Not even close to being accurate. Luka is averaging 27, 10 and 9 for the playoffs; Kyrie 22, 3 and 6. There's only been one game where Kyrie outscored Luka by more than 2 points; there have been a few where Luka outscored Kyrie by significant margins.
Luka didn't shoot particularly well last night, but he still triple-doubled (18, 12 and 10) and was a more useful than Kyrie, who put up 9 points in 41 minutes.
He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
@TheDunkCentral
JJ Redick is the front runner to land the head coaching job with the Lakers, per @jovanbuha
“Right now, I believe JJ Redick is slightly ahead of the field”
He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
Bottom line is Mavs won their first round series and are 2-2 against the number one seed, with Luka leading the way. He has not been outplayed by Kyrie by any stretch.
He's shooting 40%. Brunson is shooting 43.8%.
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He is shooting 40%, taking 20 shots a game, 26% from 3 and an EFG% of 45...
Luka has been awful and rumors of the team not enjoying playing next to him
Bottom line is Mavs won their first round series and are 2-2 against the number one seed, with Luka leading the way. He has not been outplayed by Kyrie by any stretch.
He's shooting 40%. Brunson is shooting 43.8%.
You sure about that?
Kyrie is shooting 50%, 43% from 3, efg% of 58, averaging 22 on 16 shots...
Brunson is shooting 44% 30 % from 3 and 50% efg...32 ppg
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coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
I’m a fan of his, I just want him to be a better overall player. I still expect him to win MVPs and Finals MVPs in the future, but it’s fair to bring up how poorly he’s played.
Redick to the Lakers would be funny. Definitely seems like a bright guy for the most part but it just feels weird. Cassell is who Id go after based on the little I know about all these candidates.
You sure about that?
Kyrie is shooting 50%, 43% from 3, efg% of 58, averaging 22 on 16 shots...
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You gotta take 'em to make 'em. That Luka's role. Kyrie only took 11 shots in 41 minutes last night. That might keep the percentage up, but it's not what the Mavs need to win the game.
At that, Mavs were one missed free throw (by Luka) last night from being tied with 10 seconds to go and a good chance to go up 3-1 on the one seed.
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coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Vincent is a nothing, he is not an asset..They also can only trade 25(after draft) and 29
Herro is a hlrrible fit for Cleveland, Herro and Garland backcourt is dog shit...They habe Jacquez and Jovic and thats it..only first they currently have available is 29 to trade..
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coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Is there another Gabe Vincent I'm unaware of? The one on the Lakers missed most of the year injured (shot 30% from the field) when he was not and had a 9.0 PER/.038 WS/48 with Miami the season prior
@TheDunkCentral
JJ Redick is the front runner to land the head coaching job with the Lakers, per @jovanbuha
“Right now, I believe JJ Redick is slightly ahead of the field”
Screams keep Lebron happy
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coukdnt help but think both teams would be perfrct 3rd teams in a deal where Mitchell comes to the Knicks and Randle goes to a 3rd team..
Both teams are close and dont necassarily need a superstar but they could both use a PF that can bang down low, grab reboubds and play off thier stars
The Lakers and Heat are hot after Mitchell too, not going to be so easy to get him.
Lakers got nothing to off..
With the zheat unless the Cavs are willing to take Butler, i dont see them beig able to outbid the Knicks..
The Lakers have a good offer to make of Reeves, Vincent and their future unprotected picks are very valuable.
The Heat can offer Hero, Jacquez and other young players and some picks.
The Knicks do not have any valuable player chips anymore, unless someone wants Randle.
Is there another Gabe Vincent I'm unaware of? The one on the Lakers missed most of the year injured (shot 30% from the field) when he was not and had a 9.0 PER/.038 WS/48 with Miami the season prior
Gabe Vincent might be a poor example as he was injured all year, but the Knicks only have picks and how valuable those picks is a question mark. Hero or Reeves are better than any player the Knicks can offer. The Knicks are not trading Donte and Mitch's value is probably not as strong as we might think around the league.
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
Knicks have the inside track if they want him and he would be a great fit with Brunson offensively
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
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I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
It was mentioned yesterday but i think this offseasom is going to be really fun, i am not looking past these playoffs and certainly not giving up, but this offseasom could propel the Knicms into ckntender status
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
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I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Interesting on Herro, did know that. I just don't see the Nets trading the Knicks Bridges and I think the Rockets will get him if they do trade him.
It seems silly talking about next year with Game 5 tonight, but even if the Knicks get by the Pacers and that is a big IF, we all know they are still a player away and that player is probably one that is a solid wing, that replaces Randle.
It was mentioned yesterday but i think this offseasom is going to be really fun, i am not looking past these playoffs and certainly not giving up, but this offseasom could propel the Knicms into ckntender status
I agree about this offseason. I wanna let these playoffs play out still of course, but I'm REALLY excited by the possibilities. The OG trade made in late December was transformative. This club was propelled into a higher rung of the Eastern Conference. I don't think they beat the Sixers without OG to be honest.
These guys can easily make a deal for another Shooting Guard or other player to join the starting 5 with the ammo they've got now and the situations we see throughout the association. Next year might be when this team's window opens for them to make deep playoff runs. They're primed. They need to get healthy too of course and re-sign some of their free agents (e.g., OG & Hartenstein).
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Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
Come on that's bullshit. Randle has his flaws but he's a 2 time all nba player. He's a good starter for the majority of the teams in the league.
And do you really want to pay Herro 30 million a year for the next 3 years? I would argue Donte, Deuce and Robinson have more trade value than him.
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Both Bridges and George would be so fun to watch with OG on the wings defensively. Both guys would be great gets, although Bridges probably makes more sense due to age.
Talk me into believing, fellas.
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I think Knicks end up with Mikal or Paul George, that is the type of player they want to add..
Knicks know what it would realistically take to get Mitchell, they had talks with Cleveland before the deadline, didnt go anywhere because they had no interest but the cavs know the Knicks best offer and Knicks know what it would take..
I think Nets are desperate and will try to offer everything under the aun to get him
Both Bridges and George would be so fun to watch with OG on the wings defensively. Both guys would be great gets, although Bridges probably makes more sense due to age.
I thinj the Nets know Mikal doesnt eant tk be there and wants to be with his friends, the question is would they actually trade him here, i think Knicks would be willing to offer a lot of draft picks to do it
Talk me into believing, fellas.
Through 92 games this year including the playoffs, the Knicks FG% last game ranked as their 91st best percentage (79-73 L to Philly being the only one worse).
Their 3P% last game also ranked 91st out of 92 games.
They had maybe their worst shooting night of the year at a really bad time. But they're not going up against a defensive juggernaut, far from it. They just gotta get back in their groove.
I think they hold serve in MSG tonight, feels like a 7 game series without OG.
Talk me into believing, fellas.
I think the Knicks win tonight. Still the tougher team with the best player along with a raucous home crowd. Would love to get 20-30 points collectively from Burks/Deuce.
Any chance they try Shake Milton or anyone new tonight?
Calling him a 6th man is outrageous.
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He seemingly changed his game this year to fit with the TEAM and was still producing. He scored a little less, but was still a 20/10 guy with some assists. A front court of him, OG, and Hartenstein, with Brunson and DiVincenzo is an excellent starting 5 and was the best team in the league for about a month. That bench looks so much better when it is Hart with Deuce and then Robinson or Precious.
Calling him a 6th man is outrageous.
No shot that’s true. 3x All-Star, 2x All-NBA and he’s viewed as a bench player? Randle gets a bad rap because his body language sucks, and when things aren’t going well it looks even worse, but guys that can create their own shot, draw double teams like he does, and put up 23, 10, and 5 don’t just grow on trees.
Shit, everyone falls all over themselves for Paolo Banchero, and he plays a stylistically similar game to Randle. He’s 21 years old and doesn’t sulk so he’s viewed much differently, but if he ends up being a guy that averages 25-10-5 like Randle has done then is he going to be considered a bum like some here make Randle out to be?
Talk me into believing, fellas.
Pacers tried to throw a haymaker in game 4 and they thrw a good one, question is do the Knicks answer in game 5?
This team has gotten off the mat every time we expected them to be dead,i think you get a vintage game from Josh Hart and Isiah Hartenstein, i also Think Deuce will continue to get those wide open 3s and start to knock them down..
Knicks wednesday and thursday off after tinight, win tonight and your in the drivers seat going into game 6, well rested eith the possibikity of an OG return looming
The Knicks really need to set the tone early in this game with their defense. Don’t let them breathe and stop giving them wide-open three-point shots.
I like the late start. It should be a rowdy & liquored up crowd, Haha.
Thats great to hear
Great news!
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Great news!
I fear it's a game too late
Not a good start.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
I wish we could watch a series with both teams at full health.
And it led to a three by the Pacers.
Come on Josh stop fucking pressing, no need for it
I’ll take that as a positive.
If we're @ full strength this series, this is a wrap tonight, if not in Game 4. We're that much better than Indy.
Problem by saying that is than you have to say if Embiid is fully healthy. If Giannis and Millard are fully healthy.
I don’t know who’s the best team is out of the 4 but we will never know now.
All fucking series.
Beat me to it. Another questionable one now on Donte. Of course no replay from TNT.
+1
As long as we’re alive I think we’ve found a couple of guys who can hel us out and give us some good minutes should we advance.
At least hes calling out how soft the league looks. But yeah he’s insufferable
According to Van Gundy the Knicks should be called for a fouls on every play and the pacers have not committed a foul yet. He is absolutely insufferable
I was just thinking the same thing. He doesn't hide the grudge he holds against the Knicks.
Yup pretty sure he took the Pacers tonight
they arent supposed to thats why Thibs was pissed
More importantly, Jalen has a spring in his step.
No, but he’s reversed a couple.
Annoying. as. phuq.
It’s time.
-19, worst +/- on the floor
It’s infuriating - almost like it’s the refs plan to not call fouls for Brunson.
He is doing everything else though, he is all over the court
Turner is a career knick killer. He always shoots well against us
True professionals.
I didn’t watch a lot of him prior to his coming to NY, but he seems to thrive on being a Knick
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Dude's an animal. Nobody outworks him.
I didn’t watch a lot of him prior to his coming to NY, but he seems to thrive on being a Knick
He's an all-around Starks. Swiss Army knife if you will who can do it all. Super likeable too.
Knicks and Pacers are scrapping it up in the playoffs and a Bad Boys movie with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence is coming out?
Brunson and IHart looking good and healthy.
Burks and Precious looking like they can be pieces off the bench the rest of this series and if we move on.
Deuce looks good in the starting lineup.
I was pretty pessimistic coming into tonight, but not only can we still win this, I’m confident we can close it out Friday night at Indy.
Seriously. I’m sure we’ve all ripped him at some point since the trade, but he’s been fucking gold off the bench in this series
Haha this is Thibs we’re talking about. He won’t rest his starters if we were up 50
Danke
I oddly was confident all day and then like a half hour before the game i was fricken nervous as all hell
I just feared Brunson was too beat up for another 40-point night. He looked fantastic.
a sound ass-whoopin’
None of us are getting Mamadi lol
Very good observation.
Yup, good call.
Brunson clearly hobbled - never mentions it, doesn't appear on the injury report at all. Hali says he's hobbled, milks it for all its worth, appears on the injury report every day.
Whoever coached those guys at Villanova he did it right, holy shit
None of us are getting Mamadi lol
Dude, I cherish every second he gets on the court. After the 2019 UVA-Purdue game, the guy is a legend to me
It really is impressive how Burks has been taken out of the deep-freezer and stepped right into big spots. Testament to his preparation and focus.
Just having him as a ball handler is huge to , him and Hart are deadly when teams double Brunson
I have to think Burks healed up his shoulder spending all that time on the bench. The important thing is he can give them important minutes and he's shooting better than Bogdanovich was.
All the talk on the radio today was how they would probably squeek by because of the Garden crowd and then Indy beats them at home. I think a game like this was such a statement it may just buoy them to win in 6.
I can't believe the thuggish ball they let the Pacers get away with.
I really dislike that guy. He’s an excellent player but acts like a clown
How about him taking his normal rest at the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th with them down 20?
Guy is soft as shit.
Awesome win for the Knicks. Love this team.
Yes. Mitch might need to go though.
I think so? Especially if we move on from Robinson, which we should
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Yes. Mitch might need to go though.
Yes they can . The question is how high they will go on Hartenstein and do they try and move Mitch.
Obi was like minus infinity too.
Carlisle crying in the postgame. Very unlikable dude.
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Yes they can . The question is how high they will go on Hartenstein and do they try and move Mitch.
They have to move on from Mitch. He’s proven he can’t stay healthy.
Also, they need to bring Oakley back
I'd bet he's back.
+1, bc this team never quits - but I never imagined a 30pt blowout
Also, they need to bring Oakley back
How many teams in the NBA get that? I mean why wouldnt you want to play here, look at the support, even guys who didnt win shit and keft on bad terms are coming back..
Look at fricken Marbury man
Also, they need to bring Oakley back
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Yes they can . The question is how high they will go on Hartenstein and do they try and move Mitch.
The Knicks are limited to giving Hartenstein 175% of his current salary. If somebody else wants him bad enough they won’t be able to keep him.
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Yes they can . The question is how high they will go on Hartenstein and do they try and move Mitch.
The Knicks are limited to giving Hartenstein 175% of his current salary. If somebody else wants him bad enough they won’t be able to keep him.
I'd bet he's back.
Don’t forget, especially with the praise iHart is getting for tonight’s game, Mitch is our best offensive rebounder. If we run it back next year with this same team then iHart’s minutes will protect Mitch just as JR’s can protect OG.
They got a 7 point lead and thought ok, Knicks are dead
1 team means businness and knows what it takes to win, the other thinks their big ahit and is just going to continue to talk
Alec Burks pulled another Fournier.
Hartenstein finally grabbed some damn rebounds.
Precious played very well in the second quarter.
I bring these guys up because they will have to play well in Indiana to close the series out. It can’t just be Brunson cooking for 45 minutes.
I'd bet CP is ready for that one, lol.
Was about to post something similar. What’s the reason to run Mitch out of town? The guy was a beast, playing on one leg, against Embiid in round 1. He’s arguably the best offensive rebounder in the league (although looks like he’s rubbed off on ihart), an excellent defender, and has a dirt cheap contract.
Robinson signed a descending contract, he’s due to make 14 and 13 mil the next two years. Who are you finding that does what Mitch does for that cost? Even if he only plays 25 minutes per game next year, or misses 20 games, having the ability to deploy Mitch or Hartenstein depending on the matchup is worth the cost.
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I mean, 6pm is a bit early no?
I mean, 6pm is a bit early no?
Better than 9.
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Friday night's game is at 6pm if the Cavs win tonight and extend that series but 8:30 if Boston closes out? Is that true?
I mean, 6pm is a bit early no?
Better than 9.
I guess to each their own. I'll take 9 over 6 any day.
I mean, 6pm is a bit early no?
That's correct
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
Exactly.
The Knicks are an over the cap team. They will be able to sign OG with Bird rights and Hartenstein with early bird rights. Issue with Hartenstein is they can only offer him 16-17 million, as much as they want to keep him the reality is someone else might offer him more than the Knicks are able to.
They can make it work and still be under the apron, i think you will see some maneuvering
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
Whether you root or not, Celtics are endjng it tonight, most likely no Mitchell and Allen, Celtics at home they are going to want to end it tonight
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
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the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
Whether you root or not, Celtics are endjng it tonight, most likely no Mitchell and Allen, Celtics at home they are going to want to end it tonight
Yeah I agree. 90+% we are playing 8:30 Friday. Damn Bicketstaff must be running those guys into the ground with all the minutes :-)
It would be 3:30 not 12:30
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
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Is the NBA fucking serious with a potential Game 7 tipping at 1230 on Sunday after a Friday night game?
It would be 3:30 not 12:30
Gotcha. Thanks. ESPN had it at 12:30.
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they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
lol who the hell told you that?
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Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
Besides their overall health and Brunson looking like Brunson, I also think that game could be a dagger to Indy. They didn't have that swagger until they were up big in Game 4. I think they thought Game 3 was all about weathering an adrenaline aided Knicks team and that Game 4 was more of what was in store with the current state of the Knicks. The Knicks not just winning, but winning in a blowout was something the Pacers didn't think was possible. And the way the Knicks were all business about it also has an impact. I actually think the Knicks closeout the series on Friday now. But, I do expect a tough game, especially if the officials still let the Pacers to play thuggish.
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Don't get me started on the weirs mitch takes around here.
He's one dimensional? He's a DPOTY candidate if he plays 65 games. HE's one of the best defensive bigs in the game and he can get you 1-15 pts from lobs and put backs when he's sleeping. He rebounds as well as any big. Those traits are not indicative of a player being one dimensional.
Also, last I checked the Knicks don't suffer from a spacing problem when Mitch is playing. He's staying here unless a no brainer trade is in the cards. No way in hell am I electing to move this guy simply because we might keep IHart. Why? You need both of these guys to really stabilize the position or have you guys not been watching this team all year long.
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q.
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the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
Yeah i couldnt believe he was sitting on the bench, like you are in a series tied 2-2 where if you win this game you are in the drivers seat and your sitting? and they cut the lead to 12 and their offense then stalled...
Pacers players treated that gsme like they were up 3-1, i truly believe they thought they knocked the Knicks out in game 4 and they thought it was over...
Csrslisle made the comment of well they havnt been in this situation before, well now your in a must win game where if you lose your out, how are they going to react?
and i also think them dancing around the court in game 4 and pointing and laughing at the Knicks and Haliburton jumping around and waving bye to the Knicms really pissed the Knicks off...You saw it in divencenzo, he played like he was fricken angry...
Good teams who habe been there dont act like the Pacers do
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its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
its not about that though, the 2nd apron is a real thing that will really hinder you from dojng anything...If you are not a title contender and hit that 2nd apron, you are done, regardless of the assets you think you have
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was hartrnstein, you can see the arm come up and the arm had a black sleeve on
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
And yeah, I'll say it - you're overrating his defense. He's very good, but not as good as he was several years ago. He's not quite as athletic as he was. With those repeated ankle surgeries, that trend probably continues.
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I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q. link - ( New Window )
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
Sums it up well. Indy has no shot of winning anything important with him as their best player. The players in the league will tire of his act too, if they haven’t already.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
So if we are talking about ECF game 1 that puts us 1 week out and 2 full weeks since the injury. I know you mentioned last week the Knicks, internally felt this would take about 10 days. Let’s close out Friday and then come out Wednesday healthy and rested.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
Do you think he'll play in a Game 7 if Knicks can't close it out Game 6? That would be a huge boost and if they went on to win that Game 7 with his return, he'd be a legend in this city.
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likely start on Sunday or would there be a bigger gap between?
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Yeah they don't usually play around with the conf finals start like they do the 2nd rd. It's usually set so they can have both conferences running concurrently.
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the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I used to live on the DVR for sports. Problem is my kids are 16 & 19 and as big as sports nuts as I am and they set up their phones to get alerts. They can't wait or avoid the score the way I used to be able to so its out. He has a game I follow the score on my phone. Friday is different through. Driving back from MD I'm hoping to be home around 8. 6pm no way.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
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Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
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that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
It depends what Cleveland wants to do, but those 27 and 29 picks from Phoenix have a lot of value without protections.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
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that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
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We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
Looking at this, I say why can’t a three way deal between the Knicks, Nets and Cavs work where the Nets get Mitchell, the Knicks get Bridges and the Cavs get picks from the Knicks and young players from the Nets?
Whatever, we're debating semantics or terminology. When I think one dimensional I think of a guy like Chris Dudley who literally could not score at all. Mitch isn't an offensive player at all but he can easily put down 15 pts just by being on the floor.
He's a terrific defensive player. You want to deal him in the right move fine by me. He's not just being dumped to make room for Ihart. You need both.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
They’re stacked with scorers, and they’re good at home. Haliburton is playing hurt, but he’s still dangerous if he’s feeling OK. Although their frontcourt is soft and they’re not a good defensive team, the refs are giving them latitude to make contact, especially Nesmith.
Knicks will win though, because JB is wealthy, and Thibs > Carlisle.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
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hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.
I disagree, I don’t think it would be a waste. It further solidifies defense with very strong defender at the 2 guard, who can guard 1-3, sometimes 4. An above average shooter who passes and rebounds very well for his position and can integrate into the team without disrupting the current construct. He can score 20+ if needed or do all of the little things that wins games, series. It pushes DDV to the bench with Deuce, Hart, Mitch (+ maybe Achiwua).
Booker is my perfect fit but if you can get Bridges for 60 cents on the dollar, it would be foolish not to. Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, IHart with a bench of Deuce, DDV, Hart, Robinson is clearly the best team in the east and arguably in the league.
He's proved that he can make adjustments in series this year.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
I just do not see KAT to the Knicks. Bad contract, hurt a lot, soft. Seems like a strange fit.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
OG is also a pending free agent with a lot on the line. The opposite of Jeremy Lin...
Pretty much
I’m guessing OG will be on some kind of minutes restriction if he does return so using Burkes definitely helps
Assuming Burks keeps shooting this way lol, he tends to run hot and cold.
Not so. They were 12-2 from OG's first game through the game Randle and OG got hurt.
Brunson missed two of those games, in which they were 1-1, so they were 11-1 with all three.
In the 12-2 stretch, they were 8-0 against teams that didn't make the playoffs and 4-2 against teams that did.
They won one road game against a playoff team in that whole stretch (at Philly).
As it so happens, Randle and OG were pretty bad in that Philly game: combined 4-22 from the field. You know who had a great game? Quentin Grimes, now long gone.
Home wins in January have to be taken with a grain of salt. Knicks caught the Nuggets on the last day of a six game trip. They caught Miami coming in on a five game losing streak. They played the T-wolves on New Year's Day afternoon; you can imagine how much sleep the players were performing on.
It's an absurdly small sample on which to base any serious analytic conclusion about the future.
Brunson, Divencenzo, Bridges, OG, Hartenstein is elite defensively, with lots of shooting, hard to guard...
Playing against the celtics you got tl2 guys to guard Brown and Tatum..
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
I don't see it. It's not the way he does things. Plus, he's a consummate pro, they'd be better off keeping him and gamble on a sign and trade vs losing him for nothing or trading him to a team that sees him as a rental.
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I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
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I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
If he plays like he did last season, maybe they change their tune. Bridges looked like a guy being held hostage, it was the worst season he has had in a while, and I think a lot of it is he just doesn't want to be in Brooklyn.
I don't think he is the type to do it, but Bridges can make the Nets uncomfortable if he makes it known he wants to be traded. Do you trade him this summer and get peak value, or do you run the risk of him being unmotivated, get off to a slow start, and then you're faced with trying to move him at the deadline when he is 18 months from free agency...
He thinks if he pisses off the fans maybe Nets would have no choice and not care
Moving Bridges to the Knicks tracks with those other moves and that line of thought, holding him hostage sends the total opposite message and undoes a lot of the good rep they may have previously built up.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
And maybe Donte can hit some shots, lol.
I keep saying they look bored. They will get to a point that some team will smack them in the mouth and they'll flinch. Can't just turn it on
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
Randle is that guy who can create offense. Other than Booker and PG, you could not craft a better style/type of player for this teams as its currently constructed than Bridges. But it’s for naught anyway as there is little chance the Nets would trade him to the Knicks. Be he’d slide in perfectly on this squad, even without the Nova connection
Garland is a trash, soft player...
Seems like a lot of changes are coming to Cleveland, Shams mentioned players were annoyed Allen didnt do more to try and play, sat out 8 games wjth a bruised rib
That would be quite a plot twist but I don’t think I buy it
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
Mobley at the 5, Randle at the 4?
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
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if they win then the ECF doesn't start until Tuesday...if Denver wins and we win tomorrow, its ECF Sunday afternoon
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
Yeab i know nothing carrys over from game to game, but the way Denver has come back in this series, it feels like the momentum is to great for Minny to come back from
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Knicks match up fairly well with Boston at full strength. The biggest need there is someone who can defend Porzingis. The Knicks tend to struggle to defend those types of stretch bigs
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Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
They do not
Knicks had interest in PG last iffseason, i exoect them to habe interest again
Caruso/OG on defense with a legit Big defender like Hartenstein would be incredible to watch.
I don't think Mitch has much trade value at all right now. Another injury-plagued season where he came back and didn't look the same then got hurt again. Even going into the last year of his deal I'd imagine Caruso has a lot of trade value.
My guess the cost is at least 3 firsts
My guess the cost is at least 3 firsts
The question is if he's worth 3 firsts or Deuce and 2 1sts. Going into the last year of his deal means he's gonna have to get paid to keep him at which point he'll be 31
I think we see an even bigger Precious jump next year.
But yeah it’s hard to picture a better fit with Thibs. He’s the kind of guy they missed against Maxey.
I think we see an even bigger Precious jump next year.
I hope you’re right. His 3 is pretty broken though so that would require quite a leap.
Then maybe it would be Mitch going. Vucevic both stinks and they were playing him at the 4 to end last season.
Of course he will sign. They always do, or at least 99% of the time they do.
Not sure they’d add both. Next years playoff rotation would be Brunson, DDV, OG, Randle, ihart, deuce, Caruso/bridges, hart, and precious. That’s already 9. No chance they’d play 10.
If they can’t get a star, I think they look to add Caruso or Bridges plus a backup ball handler - probably using one the firsts on a rookie.
I don’t think they need the star to win the title next year.
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Against certain teams a closing lineup of Brunson, Djvencenzo, caruso, Mikal, OG...
With Hart mixed in, oh the defense and shooting...
I really want Mikal, but i am not going to get my hopes up with the Nets trading him tl Ny
the good news he is doing on court work
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Also, for anyone interested CP from KFTV is going to be "debating" Draymond Green today at 3pm on Youtube.
Love KFTV, so I figured I'd give them a shoutout here.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
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Draymond blew him off.
Closing out tomorrow would be big. Extra time for OG to recover without pressured return before ready.
That maximizes our off time.
Oh snap! He actually did that? What a scummy thing to do. I like CP and all, but he never should have agreed to speak with that turd Draymond.
I only heard CP said that his agent reached out to reschedule. Hilarious though CP just blew him up for his lame takes. Called him the "Chris Broussard of new media." Which makes me think that Draymond and Chris Broussard won't be coming on KFTV anytime soon.
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He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
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He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
The best fit for Bridges is the starting 4 with Hartenstein, OG, DDV and Brunson
Randle is not going to be Happy not playing 34 plus minutes same with Bridges.
They are both best starting at the 4 and OG needs 34+ at the 3 especially in the playoffs when minutes get tighter.
Need the Wolves to win tonight to delay the ECF
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He has 1 year left at 9 million and will be 31 in February.
You could probably pull him for a first this year and some trash salary filler but I wouldn't give much more for him.
I can't see the Knicks using 2 late first round picks and are either going to package them to move up or trade one at minimum.
I would love Bridges but you need to probably pull in a 3rd team to move Randle because I don't think the Nets want him and he doesn't fit with Bridges.
Maybe the Lakers?
Nets need to figure out a plan and are in a bad spot moving Bridges for picks would be smart but all of a sudden our own first might not be that valuable since we should be drafting in the back half of the first.
Why would Bridges and Randle not fit together? I see them completely as complimentary. I might be missing something but the Randle that we saw earlier this year and definitely is January would fit seamlessly into this squad (as would Bridges)
I think the only challenge with adding Bridges and keeping Randle would be finding enough minutes for everyone. You figure IHart and Mitch are getting the 48 minutes at center, Randle, OG and Brunson will get 34 each, and if you’re trading for Bridges you are going to give him 30+ minutes as well. That only leaves 56 minutes to split between Hart, Divencenzo and Deuce.
Let’s say Deuce gets the 14 minutes when Brunson sits, are you only giving Hart and Donte 20ish minutes each? Can definitely make it work but someone’s going to have their role greatly reduced.
The best fit for Bridges is the starting 4 with Hartenstein, OG, DDV and Brunson
Randle is not going to be Happy not playing 34 plus minutes same with Bridges.
They are both best starting at the 4 and OG needs 34+ at the 3 especially in the playoffs when minutes get tighter.
I think you’re thinking of Miles Bridges. Mikal Bridges is a 2/3 wing, dude’s not a power forward. OG could play the 4 but Bridges isn’t, his fit next to Randle is not an issue.
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I think Denver closes it out tonight. I'm still picking the Nuggets to win it all. If not us, them. I love Joker.
Need the Wolves to win tonight to delay the ECF
Good start - MIN up 19 at halftime, held Denver to a 14-pt 1st quarter
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I think Denver closes it out tonight. I'm still picking the Nuggets to win it all. If not us, them. I love Joker.
Need the Wolves to win tonight to delay the ECF
Good start - MIN up 19 at halftime, held Denver to a 14-pt 1st quarter
Wolvers are owning the boards. The Nuggets do look a step slow. Wolves are gonna ride Ant Man as far as he takes them. Just need a win tonight
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
Haliburton will play better. He always shoots well and has big first halves at home. Wouldn't surprise me if he hits 4-5 threes in first half. Key will be limiting damage from Siakam and Turner, and Knicks winning the rebound battle.
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
Yeah, I literally said this the other day, lol. The Pacers will feed off the home court advantage and try to come out hard. The Pacers go as Halliburton goes. Shutting him down early is the key to taking that game. Can’t let him get in a groove. I’m realistic about our chances against the Celtics but, boy do I want to shut these posers up.
Pacers fans continue to talk an insane amount of shit…compared to Knicks fans. I feel we are all business while they are the little piss-ant brother that wont shut the fuck up. What a weird fanbase lol.
Good result for the Knicks. If the Knicks win tomorrow and Denver had won they would have had to play the Celtics Sunday. No matter what at this point the ECF won’t start till Tuesday.
but i keep going back to what carslisle said post game about their team not coming out the right way for a game 5 and not understanding the moment and my thought ia ok, young team, but how are they going to react to an elimination game where they lose and they are done?
If I’m a pacers fan what would scare me is anything can happen in this game. The Knicks are fully capable of coming in there and shooting the lights out early on, playing downhill and sneaking out with the clincher. There’s a reason teams lose more often than not when down 3-2. They have no margin for error. One insane 3 pt shooting quarter out of ragu or hart tomorrow night and things get hot under the collar real quick in Indy.
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