OG is out again going to need big games from Divo and McBride if this team has any chance of recovering. Hopefully the MSG crowd is a factor. Let’s get this pivotal game!
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
RE: If Knicks win on Friday would the Celtics series
Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
Haliburton went to the bench with 1:30 left in the 3rd and didn't come back in until 8 mins left in the 4th. While being down 20 points.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
That's how I am feeling. When we jumped out to a double digit lead, I thought if they win like this, my thoughts about Game 6 change. For one, Brunson looked healthy last night. That may be the biggest take away from the game. OG out was one thing. It was another to have a hurt and somewhat limited Brunson. Last night there seemed to be no ill effects.
Besides their overall health and Brunson looking like Brunson, I also think that game could be a dagger to Indy. They didn't have that swagger until they were up big in Game 4. I think they thought Game 3 was all about weathering an adrenaline aided Knicks team and that Game 4 was more of what was in store with the current state of the Knicks. The Knicks not just winning, but winning in a blowout was something the Pacers didn't think was possible. And the way the Knicks were all business about it also has an impact. I actually think the Knicks closeout the series on Friday now. But, I do expect a tough game, especially if the officials still let the Pacers to play thuggish.
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
I definitely don't want to get rid of Hartenstein. I said it back when Robinson went down early in the season. I like him better in the starting lineup, even if Robinson is healthy. I do admit to suggesting somewhere in this thread that Robinson should go. That is more if we had to choose between the two. With him still being under contract, as long as he is healthy, I am happy to have him off the bench. I'd rather see him in the bench role for reduced minutes translating into reduced wear and tear. But, if he can move, his rebounding and interior D are nice assets off the bench. I just think Hartenstein is better all around right now.
Why are we so quick to get rid of Mitch and sign IHart? Did we forget how Embiid was bitching out IHart? Did we forget that IHart was doing shit this whole series until last night? This isn't a shit on IHart post. What I am saying is that the combination of both IHart and Mitch is a perfect combo at C. Neither one is perfect. They both have their flaws but their flaws and strengths complement each other. Let's not forget how crucial it was to have Mitch back against Philly. We probably don't win that series without Mitch. I get the injuries. It's annoying. However, a lot of big men are like that. The point of this post is just to show how important each player is to the success of this team. IHart should have been playing this way all series. We all said this series benefits him more than Mitch because the style of play. I'm glad he finally showed up in such a pivotal game.
Don't get me started on the weirs mitch takes around here.
He's one dimensional? He's a DPOTY candidate if he plays 65 games. HE's one of the best defensive bigs in the game and he can get you 1-15 pts from lobs and put backs when he's sleeping. He rebounds as well as any big. Those traits are not indicative of a player being one dimensional.
Also, last I checked the Knicks don't suffer from a spacing problem when Mitch is playing. He's staying here unless a no brainer trade is in the cards. No way in hell am I electing to move this guy simply because we might keep IHart. Why? You need both of these guys to really stabilize the position or have you guys not been watching this team all year long.
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
RE: RE: RE: Also something no one is talking about
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
Haliburton went to the bench with 1:30 left in the 3rd and didn't come back in until 8 mins left in the 4th. While being down 20 points.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
Yeah i couldnt believe he was sitting on the bench, like you are in a series tied 2-2 where if you win this game you are in the drivers seat and your sitting? and they cut the lead to 12 and their offense then stalled...
Pacers players treated that gsme like they were up 3-1, i truly believe they thought they knocked the Knicks out in game 4 and they thought it was over...
Csrslisle made the comment of well they havnt been in this situation before, well now your in a must win game where if you lose your out, how are they going to react?
and i also think them dancing around the court in game 4 and pointing and laughing at the Knicks and Haliburton jumping around and waving bye to the Knicms really pissed the Knicks off...You saw it in divencenzo, he played like he was fricken angry...
Good teams who habe been there dont act like the Pacers do
its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
its not about that though, the 2nd apron is a real thing that will really hinder you from dojng anything...If you are not a title contender and hit that 2nd apron, you are done, regardless of the assets you think you have
RE: RE: RE: Also something no one is talking about
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was hartrnstein, you can see the arm come up and the arm had a black sleeve on
it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Good catch - the refs gave Burks a tech for nothing. If they called it right iHart wouldn’t get 2 techs regardless so the blown call ended up being a free point for Indy
He has zero offensive game. None. He can dunk, that's it. And he shoots 40% from the line so it's a real risk playing him late in tight games.
And yeah, I'll say it - you're overrating his defense. He's very good, but not as good as he was several years ago. He's not quite as athletic as he was. With those repeated ankle surgeries, that trend probably continues.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also something no one is talking about
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q. link - ( New Window )
Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also something no one is talking about
Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
He texted me last night that his thoughts on Haliburton have really changed after this series. He assumed Haliburton was future star, but now he looks like a front running loser, with a ceiling as a low end #2.
He texted me last night that his thoughts on Haliburton have really changed after this series. He assumed Haliburton was future star, but now he looks like a front running loser, with a ceiling as a low end #2.
Sums it up well. Indy has no shot of winning anything important with him as their best player. The players in the league will tire of his act too, if they haven’t already.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
So if we are talking about ECF game 1 that puts us 1 week out and 2 full weeks since the injury. I know you mentioned last week the Knicks, internally felt this would take about 10 days. Let’s close out Friday and then come out Wednesday healthy and rested.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
Do you think he'll play in a Game 7 if Knicks can't close it out Game 6? That would be a huge boost and if they went on to win that Game 7 with his return, he'd be a legend in this city.
RE: RE: If Knicks win on Friday would the Celtics series
likely start on Sunday or would there be a bigger gap between?
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Yeah they don't usually play around with the conf finals start like they do the 2nd rd. It's usually set so they can have both conferences running concurrently.
RE: RE: RE: Picking up my daughter from college Friday in MD I realllllly hope
the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I used to live on the DVR for sports. Problem is my kids are 16 & 19 and as big as sports nuts as I am and they set up their phones to get alerts. They can't wait or avoid the score the way I used to be able to so its out. He has a game I follow the score on my phone. Friday is different through. Driving back from MD I'm hoping to be home around 8. 6pm no way.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
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Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
Perhaps, but they didn’t call any techs until the (very gentle) throat shove. Portis was ejected for 2 distinct violent acts including a swing to the face.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
It depends what Cleveland wants to do, but those 27 and 29 picks from Phoenix have a lot of value without protections.
Pete44. They might, but depends what happens with Booker
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
Looking at this, I say why can’t a three way deal between the Knicks, Nets and Cavs work where the Nets get Mitchell, the Knicks get Bridges and the Cavs get picks from the Knicks and young players from the Nets?
Whatever, we're debating semantics or terminology. When I think one dimensional I think of a guy like Chris Dudley who literally could not score at all. Mitch isn't an offensive player at all but he can easily put down 15 pts just by being on the floor.
He's a terrific defensive player. You want to deal him in the right move fine by me. He's not just being dumped to make room for Ihart. You need both.
his offensive shortcomings aren't a problem here. We don't need the center to stretch the floor, not yet anyway.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
have given up on NYK after game 4, don’t underestimate Indy in game 6.
They’re stacked with scorers, and they’re good at home. Haliburton is playing hurt, but he’s still dangerous if he’s feeling OK. Although their frontcourt is soft and they’re not a good defensive team, the refs are giving them latitude to make contact, especially Nesmith.
Knicks will win though, because JB is wealthy, and Thibs > Carlisle.
his offensive shortcomings aren't a problem here. We don't need the center to stretch the floor, not yet anyway.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
I agree. A healthy Randle and OG, plus Robinson, Hart, and McBride off the bench (possible Bogdonavich/Burks also) - that team wins the East.
hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.
Obviously they play totally different positions and have different games but Brunson and Jokic are similiar in that they're in charge of everything and see and adjust to the game so well that you can get to them and maybe confuse them for a game or two but they're so cerbral they'll figure it out and deal what is being thrown at them. Brunson did it in the Philly series with all the length and physical play they threw at him full court with Batum and Oubre but he figured it out the last 4 games of that series and scored 40 per. Same thing here games 3 and 4 he was banged up and all the talk was how they discovered the secret formula with Nesmith on him. How'd that work out? Jokic was befuddled the first 2 games vs. Minny, but he figured them out the last 3 games. He's so damn good. Smart talented players figure it out.
It would be 3:30 not 12:30
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
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Is the NBA fucking serious with a potential Game 7 tipping at 1230 on Sunday after a Friday night game?
It would be 3:30 not 12:30
Gotcha. Thanks. ESPN had it at 12:30.
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they have Jukius randle that is better Reeves and Herro..
Mcbride is on a 4 million a year salary for the next 3..
They 3x the drsft picks they can trade vs Lakers and Heat combined..
Nobody wants Herro, ill let you in on a little secret, the hest players hate him, the only reason he is still on the team is because Jimmy loves him, dude has been trade bait for 3 years and no one wants him
I've been told that most of the league views Randle as a 6th man off the bench, despite the All-Star numbers he puts up.
lol who the hell told you that?
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Pacers played that game like they were up 3-1, not tied 2-2, they came in and went up 7 and it looked like they though oh they are done., they got nothing left..
Imagine being down 20 and to start the 4th keeping Brunson on the bench rsther than keeping him on the court and seeing if they vould cut into the lead?
One big moment in this game Knicks down 7 to start and they looked a little tentative and Hart hit a 3 to cut it to 4 and the energy picked uo immediately..
Knicks started doing the guard-guard pick and pop like they did against Cleveland, Pacers are put into a spot with Deuce starting of if they double Deuce is the first pass and can knock down the 3 or drive and swing or do they switch and leave Haliburton to get cooked?
Defensively the Knicks switched everything, they are not scared of the bigs of Indiana posting up because its simply not their game, they want to move the ball and spread you out and being smaller they sinply just switched..
Carslisle made a comment of well the Pacers havnt been in this position before, series tied 2-2 and thats how they played how they going to react in a must win game?
The critical points in last night's game were when we were down 7 in the 1st, Hart hit a 3.
When we were up 7 in the 3rd after the Turner 3's and we immediately made a run to push the lead again.
And then when we were up only 12 early in the 4th after the Pacers started the 4th on a 9-0 run and, you guessed it, Burks hit a monster corner 3 to push the lead back to 15.
Last night was massive. Going into the game, I thought we might steal one at MSG and little to no chance on Friday. With Brunson and IHart looking healthy and the emergence of Burks and Precious, I give us a solid chance to close out Friday.
Besides their overall health and Brunson looking like Brunson, I also think that game could be a dagger to Indy. They didn't have that swagger until they were up big in Game 4. I think they thought Game 3 was all about weathering an adrenaline aided Knicks team and that Game 4 was more of what was in store with the current state of the Knicks. The Knicks not just winning, but winning in a blowout was something the Pacers didn't think was possible. And the way the Knicks were all business about it also has an impact. I actually think the Knicks closeout the series on Friday now. But, I do expect a tough game, especially if the officials still let the Pacers to play thuggish.
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
Don't get me started on the weirs mitch takes around here.
He's one dimensional? He's a DPOTY candidate if he plays 65 games. HE's one of the best defensive bigs in the game and he can get you 1-15 pts from lobs and put backs when he's sleeping. He rebounds as well as any big. Those traits are not indicative of a player being one dimensional.
Also, last I checked the Knicks don't suffer from a spacing problem when Mitch is playing. He's staying here unless a no brainer trade is in the cards. No way in hell am I electing to move this guy simply because we might keep IHart. Why? You need both of these guys to really stabilize the position or have you guys not been watching this team all year long.
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q.
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the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I couldn't believe it. Carlisle has been bad but how does Haliburton not demand to stay in the game? He also plays zero defense, he should be able to give you more minutes in a pivotal game 5.
Yeah i couldnt believe he was sitting on the bench, like you are in a series tied 2-2 where if you win this game you are in the drivers seat and your sitting? and they cut the lead to 12 and their offense then stalled...
Pacers players treated that gsme like they were up 3-1, i truly believe they thought they knocked the Knicks out in game 4 and they thought it was over...
Csrslisle made the comment of well they havnt been in this situation before, well now your in a must win game where if you lose your out, how are they going to react?
and i also think them dancing around the court in game 4 and pointing and laughing at the Knicks and Haliburton jumping around and waving bye to the Knicms really pissed the Knicks off...You saw it in divencenzo, he played like he was fricken angry...
Good teams who habe been there dont act like the Pacers do
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its more about fit with starters and also cap gymnastics, i dont think you want 30 to 35 million tied up to the center position unless you got a big time player there..
OG is going to get around 35 million a year..
Brunson is going to sign an extension either this year or next and he is going to be over 40.
Whether you keep Randle or trade for a guy that 2nd guy is going to be over 40..
You got Hart at 18 next year and Divencenzo at 11, with deuce at 4..
If you dont make a trade Bojan is at 22..
It adds up and you want to remain flexible because that 2nd apron is coming and you want to be set with a championship contender before you go over it
I don't mind it if the two players combined give 25+ rebounds, 3-5 blocks, 3+ assists, and 15+ points on average.
its not about that though, the 2nd apron is a real thing that will really hinder you from dojng anything...If you are not a title contender and hit that 2nd apron, you are done, regardless of the assets you think you have
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was hartrnstein, you can see the arm come up and the arm had a black sleeve on
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it wasnt Burks who pushed Jackson in the neck, it was Hartenstein, Knicks are lucky he didnt get 2 techs
I mentioned this in the thread when it happened last night. Looks like everyone missed it. Thought I was going crazy. But it was clearly Hartenstein that pushed Jackson’s neck.
And yeah, I'll say it - you're overrating his defense. He's very good, but not as good as he was several years ago. He's not quite as athletic as he was. With those repeated ankle surgeries, that trend probably continues.
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I thought so at first, but it was Burks. Burks came over and pushed Jackson's neck. Hartenstein's hand was then up in that area, so it looked like it was him. Either way, I think it would still only have been 1 tech on him.
It was Hartenstein. Watch the hand. 11:13 of 2Q. link - ( New Window )
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
Sums it up well. Indy has no shot of winning anything important with him as their best player. The players in the league will tire of his act too, if they haven’t already.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
So if we are talking about ECF game 1 that puts us 1 week out and 2 full weeks since the injury. I know you mentioned last week the Knicks, internally felt this would take about 10 days. Let’s close out Friday and then come out Wednesday healthy and rested.
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I think OG would be playing Friday
That’s great to hear - I’m sure that means a lot to his teammates. The fact that Thibs is being so specific about his recovery - he’s in the pool, he’s doing light work on the court, etc. - made me think he’s coming back sooner than we think. Usually if there’s no specific timetable Thibs will just give a non-answer like “he’s getting better every day.”
He’s been putting in 7-8 hours a day trying to get back.
Do you think he'll play in a Game 7 if Knicks can't close it out Game 6? That would be a huge boost and if they went on to win that Game 7 with his return, he'd be a legend in this city.
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likely start on Sunday or would there be a bigger gap between?
Is there a realistic chance OG would be able to return by Game 3 of the ECF?
I believe it starts the 21st regardless if the Knicks win Friday or Sunday
Yeah they don't usually play around with the conf finals start like they do the 2nd rd. It's usually set so they can have both conferences running concurrently.
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the game is 8:30 though its realllllly hard to root for the Celtics. I got a real dilemma tonight I guess huh? haha
My daughter is in 1st grade and playing softball and I'm loving her games. I will be there no matter what so it's either miss the 1st half of the Knicks, or enjoy both games in the entirety. But let's be honest, C's are in all likelihood closing out tonight.
I coach rec and travel sports. DVR is a life saver for me. I hope every Knicks fans has one. I love ripping through the game in about an hour and being able to FF commercials. I usually catch up to the world by the 4th anyway but you still need to put the phone down and ignore the texts.
I used to live on the DVR for sports. Problem is my kids are 16 & 19 and as big as sports nuts as I am and they set up their phones to get alerts. They can't wait or avoid the score the way I used to be able to so its out. He has a game I follow the score on my phone. Friday is different through. Driving back from MD I'm hoping to be home around 8. 6pm no way.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
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Live and initial replay, I thought it was Hartenstein. Then watching the replays with Burks walking in, I thought it was him. It looked like his arm. But, now looking at still shots of it, you are right. That is Hartenstein's hand. You can tell by the arm band, which Burks doesn't wear.
I still don't think that gets Hartenstein more than 1 T.
Bobby Portis got ejected vs the Pacers for an extra slap after mutual shoving. There would have been a considerable risk.
Much better that Burks got the T, costing one FT, than any risk of IHart being tossed.
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that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
It depends what Cleveland wants to do, but those 27 and 29 picks from Phoenix have a lot of value without protections.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
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that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
For either of those teams to make deals, Cleveland would have to be willing to accept a package of young players rather than tons picks, because neither own many firsts going forward.
Nets Firsts:
2025 from Phoenix (no protections)
2027 from Phily (protected 1-8)
2027 from Phoenix (no protections)
2028 Own
2029 Phoenix (no protections)
2029 Dallas (no protections)
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be one of the 2027 picks, or their own 2028.
Lakers Firsts
2025 Own
2026 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
So, the first they could trade would be 2028 i believe since they don't have a first this year.
Contrast that with the Knicks which have the following
Knicks Firsts:
2024 Own
2024 Dallas
2025 Own
2025 Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
2026 Own
2027 Own
2028 Own
2029 Own
2030 Own
We have a lot more picks that can be traded than either of them--if the Knicks are interested.
I expect Brooklyn to go all out though to get another star this offseason (no matter the fit) because of how unhappy Bridges seems.
Looking at this, I say why can’t a three way deal between the Knicks, Nets and Cavs work where the Nets get Mitchell, the Knicks get Bridges and the Cavs get picks from the Knicks and young players from the Nets?
Whatever, we're debating semantics or terminology. When I think one dimensional I think of a guy like Chris Dudley who literally could not score at all. Mitch isn't an offensive player at all but he can easily put down 15 pts just by being on the floor.
He's a terrific defensive player. You want to deal him in the right move fine by me. He's not just being dumped to make room for Ihart. You need both.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
They’re stacked with scorers, and they’re good at home. Haliburton is playing hurt, but he’s still dangerous if he’s feeling OK. Although their frontcourt is soft and they’re not a good defensive team, the refs are giving them latitude to make contact, especially Nesmith.
Knicks will win though, because JB is wealthy, and Thibs > Carlisle.
I would run it back with everyone next season. This is a 55-60 win team is they even just go through normal injury luck. They can lose a guy or two for a month but cannot lose the entire front court for the entire season.
Only way the Knicks make a move is its for a seismic shifting star and I am not convinced that guy will spring free this summer, contrary to some rumors. There are always rumors.
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hopefully OG is healthy if the Knicks face the Celtics the next round.
Haliburton is so confusing. I know he's 23 and will get better but the highs and lows to his game are crazy. One game he'll look like the next Steve Nash, the next he'll be invisible. Brunson is clearly the better player as of today. I wonder how much better Haliburton will get.
Jokic is the best player in the sport and one of the best players ever. What a legendary performance that was last night.
The thing about Jokic is how utterly effortless he makes everything look.