OG is out again going to need big games from Divo and McBride if this team has any chance of recovering. Hopefully the MSG crowd is a factor. Let’s get this pivotal game!
can't see the Celtics losing to a Mitchell-less Cavs tonight, so I have to assume game 6 will tip off at 8. What's with these odd tip off times anyway? 3:30 on Mother's Day, potentially 6 PM on a Friday?
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
I disagree, I don’t think it would be a waste. It further solidifies defense with very strong defender at the 2 guard, who can guard 1-3, sometimes 4. An above average shooter who passes and rebounds very well for his position and can integrate into the team without disrupting the current construct. He can score 20+ if needed or do all of the little things that wins games, series. It pushes DDV to the bench with Deuce, Hart, Mitch (+ maybe Achiwua).
Booker is my perfect fit but if you can get Bridges for 60 cents on the dollar, it would be foolish not to. Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, IHart with a bench of Deuce, DDV, Hart, Robinson is clearly the best team in the east and arguably in the league.
that the Lakers and Nets are set to pounce on Donovan Mitchell if he becomes available. When asked about the Knicks, he said they are not focused on that right now, but Mitchell could be traded at the draft. He did not mention specific offers, but we debated among ourselves who could make the strongest offer.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
I just do not see KAT to the Knicks. Bad contract, hurt a lot, soft. Seems like a strange fit.
is another reason to love this team and its culture.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
is another reason to love this team and its culture.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
OG is also a pending free agent with a lot on the line. The opposite of Jeremy Lin...
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
would be a waste for the Knicks. Giving up picks for him would be dumb. You trade for a real star or you run things back. This team healthy with some minor depth tinkering, will be the best team in the east next year. They were 15-1 with Randle, OG and Brunson in the lineup.
Not so. They were 12-2 from OG's first game through the game Randle and OG got hurt.
Brunson missed two of those games, in which they were 1-1, so they were 11-1 with all three.
In the 12-2 stretch, they were 8-0 against teams that didn't make the playoffs and 4-2 against teams that did.
They won one road game against a playoff team in that whole stretch (at Philly).
As it so happens, Randle and OG were pretty bad in that Philly game: combined 4-22 from the field. You know who had a great game? Quentin Grimes, now long gone.
Home wins in January have to be taken with a grain of salt. Knicks caught the Nuggets on the last day of a six game trip. They caught Miami coming in on a five game losing streak. They played the T-wolves on New Year's Day afternoon; you can imagine how much sleep the players were performing on.
It's an absurdly small sample on which to base any serious analytic conclusion about the future.
should force his way to LAL, why the hell would he want to go to a mediocre Nets team? In what scenario are they going to be contenders in 2025? Lebron/AD/Mitchell automatically would make the Lakers contenders on paper.
I don't see it. It's not the way he does things. Plus, he's a consummate pro, they'd be better off keeping him and gamble on a sign and trade vs losing him for nothing or trading him to a team that sees him as a rental.
I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bridges would be a smooth addition.
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bridges would be a smooth addition.
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bridges would be a smooth addition.
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
If he plays like he did last season, maybe they change their tune. Bridges looked like a guy being held hostage, it was the worst season he has had in a while, and I think a lot of it is he just doesn't want to be in Brooklyn.
I don't think he is the type to do it, but Bridges can make the Nets uncomfortable if he makes it known he wants to be traded. Do you trade him this summer and get peak value, or do you run the risk of him being unmotivated, get off to a slow start, and then you're faced with trying to move him at the deadline when he is 18 months from free agency...
this second hand this isnt someone directly inside the Nets or with Mikal, but all the stuff he has done like go to the Villanova game and sit courtside with Jalen or go on their podcast, laughing with them after games, they are him trying to basically tell the Nets come on please trade me without directly saying it..
He thinks if he pisses off the fans maybe Nets would have no choice and not care
But Marks did acquiesce to Kyrie’s trade demand, he sent Harden to the Sixers which is where he wanted to go, and he sent Durant to the Suns which was his top destination. I think Brooklyn wants to be viewed as player friendly, that’s part of their plan to try to attract a star.
Moving Bridges to the Knicks tracks with those other moves and that line of thought, holding him hostage sends the total opposite message and undoes a lot of the good rep they may have previously built up.
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
I think they may not feel pressured to make a big move
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Celtics are gonna have to turn it on eventually
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
I’d prepare for Haliburton to come out aggressive early on and setting the tone. Home court will help this team a lot. We need to make sure to shut down Hali and not let him get in a groove. If we do that, I really like our chances in game 6.
And maybe Donte can hit some shots, lol.
RE: The Celtics are gonna have to turn it on eventually
You need a 2nd guy to create offense. They can't continue to put this much pressure on Brunson.
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
Randle is that guy who can create offense. Other than Booker and PG, you could not craft a better style/type of player for this teams as its currently constructed than Bridges. But it’s for naught anyway as there is little chance the Nets would trade him to the Knicks. Be he’d slide in perfectly on this squad, even without the Nova connection
If Cavs resign Mitchell, Rich Paul will ask the team to move Garland. Seems someone isn't happy
Garland is a trash, soft player...
Seems like a lot of changes are coming to Cleveland, Shams mentioned players were annoyed Allen didnt do more to try and play, sat out 8 games wjth a bruised rib
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
if they win then the ECF doesn't start until Tuesday...if Denver wins and we win tomorrow, its ECF Sunday afternoon
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
Yeab i know nothing carrys over from game to game, but the way Denver has come back in this series, it feels like the momentum is to great for Minny to come back from
The NBA is off their rocker making the Knicks potentially
play a Friday night 8:30 game then travel to Boston to start the next series and play a game a day and a half later. Why bother? Just hand game 1 to the Celtics and start with game 2. Can it be any easier for the Celtics? Play 2 teams you clearly out class to begin with, and take the best players off those teams for most if not the whole series. Now this. Maybe we should just let the Celtics call their own fouls like a pick-up game.
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Knicks match up fairly well with Boston at full strength. The biggest need there is someone who can defend Porzingis. The Knicks tend to struggle to defend those types of stretch bigs
RE: RE: Brunson and Donovan would be a bad marriage
Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
They do not
I am guessing the aknicks are seeing what they are doing
I disagree, I don’t think it would be a waste. It further solidifies defense with very strong defender at the 2 guard, who can guard 1-3, sometimes 4. An above average shooter who passes and rebounds very well for his position and can integrate into the team without disrupting the current construct. He can score 20+ if needed or do all of the little things that wins games, series. It pushes DDV to the bench with Deuce, Hart, Mitch (+ maybe Achiwua).
Booker is my perfect fit but if you can get Bridges for 60 cents on the dollar, it would be foolish not to. Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, IHart with a bench of Deuce, DDV, Hart, Robinson is clearly the best team in the east and arguably in the league.
He's proved that he can make adjustments in series this year.
As for Randle, I have a friend very plugged into the back-channel NBA stuff and he told me when the Knicks gauge Randle's value on the trade market, a lot of teams like him in the role he played with the Pelicans, which was off the bench. This guy also has told me on a number of occasions to not sleep on KAT to the Knicks this off-season.
I just do not see KAT to the Knicks. Bad contract, hurt a lot, soft. Seems like a strange fit.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
That shoulder injury Randle suffered has most players in surgery within a couple of days, declared out for the season, see ya in training camp next year - Randle tried to rehab it for several weeks before reaggravating it and getting surgery.
Mitch figured to be out for the year after his ankle injury - the Knicks even put in for a disabled player exemption - and he returns ahead of schedule (clearly not 100 percent) and reinjures it again versus Philly, and STILL tries to give it another go against Indiana.
Bogey was playing through a wrist injury for a team he joined midseason and was ultimately knocked out with a foot injury.
Now OG goes down with a nasty looking hamstring injury and is rehabbing like a madman for a team he also joined midseason.
OG is also a pending free agent with a lot on the line. The opposite of Jeremy Lin...
Pretty much
I’m guessing OG will be on some kind of minutes restriction if he does return so using Burkes definitely helps
Assuming Burks keeps shooting this way lol, he tends to run hot and cold.
Not so. They were 12-2 from OG's first game through the game Randle and OG got hurt.
Brunson missed two of those games, in which they were 1-1, so they were 11-1 with all three.
In the 12-2 stretch, they were 8-0 against teams that didn't make the playoffs and 4-2 against teams that did.
They won one road game against a playoff team in that whole stretch (at Philly).
As it so happens, Randle and OG were pretty bad in that Philly game: combined 4-22 from the field. You know who had a great game? Quentin Grimes, now long gone.
Home wins in January have to be taken with a grain of salt. Knicks caught the Nuggets on the last day of a six game trip. They caught Miami coming in on a five game losing streak. They played the T-wolves on New Year's Day afternoon; you can imagine how much sleep the players were performing on.
It's an absurdly small sample on which to base any serious analytic conclusion about the future.
Brunson, Divencenzo, Bridges, OG, Hartenstein is elite defensively, with lots of shooting, hard to guard...
Playing against the celtics you got tl2 guys to guard Brown and Tatum..
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
I don't see it. It's not the way he does things. Plus, he's a consummate pro, they'd be better off keeping him and gamble on a sign and trade vs losing him for nothing or trading him to a team that sees him as a rental.
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I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
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I ust don't see how it'd be possible though. Nets ain't helping the Knicks.
I think someone mentioned it before but a possible 3 way trade where the Nets get a star..
The Nets would get a star to pair with Bridges. Trading Bridges and getting a star wouldn't make them more than a contender for the play-in. They just don't have much talent on the roster
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
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Nets only mission is to get stars, they dont care how they get them and dont care who they are paired with...Marks basically said there plan was to get stars and they think players want to play for them
Part of that though is why they've made Bridges essentially untouchable to date. Because they view him as the ideal fit next to a star. There's also just no way they'll send him cross town given all the (reported) interest around the league
in the end you are probably right, they wont send him over, no matter how much he begs
If he plays like he did last season, maybe they change their tune. Bridges looked like a guy being held hostage, it was the worst season he has had in a while, and I think a lot of it is he just doesn't want to be in Brooklyn.
I don't think he is the type to do it, but Bridges can make the Nets uncomfortable if he makes it known he wants to be traded. Do you trade him this summer and get peak value, or do you run the risk of him being unmotivated, get off to a slow start, and then you're faced with trying to move him at the deadline when he is 18 months from free agency...
He thinks if he pisses off the fans maybe Nets would have no choice and not care
Moving Bridges to the Knicks tracks with those other moves and that line of thought, holding him hostage sends the total opposite message and undoes a lot of the good rep they may have previously built up.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
And maybe Donte can hit some shots, lol.
I keep saying they look bored. They will get to a point that some team will smack them in the mouth and they'll flinch. Can't just turn it on
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
Randle is that guy who can create offense. Other than Booker and PG, you could not craft a better style/type of player for this teams as its currently constructed than Bridges. But it’s for naught anyway as there is little chance the Nets would trade him to the Knicks. Be he’d slide in perfectly on this squad, even without the Nova connection
Garland is a trash, soft player...
Seems like a lot of changes are coming to Cleveland, Shams mentioned players were annoyed Allen didnt do more to try and play, sat out 8 games wjth a bruised rib
That would be quite a plot twist but I don’t think I buy it
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
Mobley at the 5, Randle at the 4?
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
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if they win then the ECF doesn't start until Tuesday...if Denver wins and we win tomorrow, its ECF Sunday afternoon
Those 3/4 days of rest would be key, especially for OG. Even if that pushed game 2 to Thursday or Friday and give him another week of recovery.
Let’s go Minny, but I think Denver closes them out.
Yeab i know nothing carrys over from game to game, but the way Denver has come back in this series, it feels like the momentum is to great for Minny to come back from
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
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a 2nd player who can create on his own. Bridges in not that. He sucks as a creator. He is not what they need and I would certainly not trade major assets to get him.
he sucks as the number 1 guy, but if you add him, with the amount of shooting that would be on the court he would have so much space to work..
Plus you cant just help off of guys to double Brunson...
You have to start thinking about how you beat the celtics and how you ebat thme is having 2 elite defensive wings
The Knicks match up fairly well with Boston at full strength. The biggest need there is someone who can defend Porzingis. The Knicks tend to struggle to defend those types of stretch bigs
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Brunson has become Brunson by dominating the ball. When Knicks were heavily involved with a Donovan trade in 2022, Brunson hadn't played for them yet. Totally different situation now.
Mavs take Game 5 in OKC 104-92 and go home with chance to clinch. Luka 31, 10 and 11.
Thunder offense just not clicking. SGA not getting much help. Josh Giddey was removed from the starting lineup tonight and only played 12 minutes despite scoring 11 points on 5-8 shooting. Odd, that.
I don't think the Knicks would have the kind of interest in Mitchell that they did initially. My guess is if he's moved it'll be Miami or Brooklyn. So given those options, I prefer he just stays in Cleveland
They do not
Knicks had interest in PG last iffseason, i exoect them to habe interest again