they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
and I agree 100%, Jones needs to be either really bad early so they can play Lock and get the wheels in motion to move on from Jones without risking injury or show marked improvement early so they can try and compete with him the next couple seasons until moving on from his contract is no longer painful.
Anything in between is the "treadmill of mediocrity" - I like that quote - which leads to QB hell.
but I think they have to build an offense that uses his strengths a bit. Or maybe easier to say - design the offense to shelter his weaknesses. He's tough, an accurate thrower and a great runner. Arm strength is good and he can make all the throws when he's comfy and confident.
But I think its fair to question is pre-snap reads and his ability to handle pressure. Seems to stare down his first read when he 'feels' the pressure and that leads to disaster most often. I think any QB struggles under pressure but I think Jones is worse than most. Think Seattle. He also hasn't been consistently healthy so protection has to improve (I think we addressed that well).
So lets protect him and find ways to get the ball out quick and into the hands of our playmakers (Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, Slayton) while also providing some safety valves for him (Bellinger, Johnson, Singletary & maybe Tracy).
Jones isn't an elite QB. But protect him and give him weapons in a well designed offense and I think you can do enough on offense to win double digit games.
Beyond that, obviously plan to keep any and all options open to upgrade in the future. One idea I had was to trade out or back of next years first round to acquire an additional 1st in 2026 to assist in moving up then if needed. I know that's not an ideal plan perhaps but one to keep in the back pocket if nothing arises between now and the 2025 draft to find our guy.
they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
Because everyone except a few fanatical types assume that the best version of Jones will never be good enough to hold the Lombardi Trophy.
if you hate Jones this will 100% appeal to you. if you think the team as whole can be better with changes we have made this will be ok. if you think Jones will be better with an improved Oline and improved weapons then you will hate this commentary.
Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
if you hate Jones this will 100% appeal to you. if you think the team as whole can be better with changes we have made this will be ok. if you think Jones will be better with an improved Oline and improved weapons then you will hate this commentary.
Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
You can't get around the point she raised. Jones is dead last in the NFL among 38 quarterbacks in throwing the ball down the field in the last two seasons. Taylor and DeVito come in, and that changes.
they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
Because everyone except a few fanatical types assume that the best version of Jones will never be good enough to hold the Lombardi Trophy.
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Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nicke Foles, and Jeff Hostetler would like a word. Just saying.
Your statement about the SB winning QBs throughout the league is spot on. And this is why I give the Giants credit for passing on a QB after failing to get Maye. You look at the QBs who are going to conference championship games and you either need a great team or a one of a small handful of high level QBs. These people act like reaching for a QB means you are building to win a SB and everyone is doing but NYG. NYG is trying to get a SB worthy QB --not move on from one guy who isn't there to another. No one criticizes Dallas for Dak, as an example, but they're waking up to the fact that he's never going to win them a SB.
A great season , wins the NFC East and shuts all these assholes up!…this derangement and piling on is bullshit…. We’re not the fucking Jets searching for a QB since Namath ,and blowing top 5 picks on failed qbs every season.
all of those pundit concede that maybe Daniel Jones could go somewhere and become a winner - as they pointed out he's only 18 months older the Penix and has one less ACL tear. Thus conceding maybe Jones can win.
But if Jones plays to the level where the Giants are winning, the front office will be upset because they'll have to consider extending him. That argument combined with the other makes no sense!
all of those pundit concede that maybe Daniel Jones could go somewhere and become a winner - as they pointed out he's only 18 months older the Penix and has one less ACL tear. Thus conceding maybe Jones can win.
But if Jones plays to the level where the Giants are winning, the front office will be upset because they'll have to consider extending him. That argument combined with the other makes no sense!
That's not what they said. They talked about it being more likely he can become an adequate back-up on another team.
if you hate Jones this will 100% appeal to you. if you think the team as whole can be better with changes we have made this will be ok. if you think Jones will be better with an improved Oline and improved weapons then you will hate this commentary.
Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
You can't get around the point she raised. Jones is dead last in the NFL among 38 quarterbacks in throwing the ball down the field in the last two seasons. Taylor and DeVito come in, and that changes.
I am not arguing the stuff sdaid, just she is a one trick pony about the Jones factor. I am not a Jones guy (wanted Maye) and we will be moving away from him after this season. I just don't think the Jones stuff is any more insightful than it is here. For some reason she has become the anti Jones/ anti Giants/ Anti Daboll etc crowds new love interest.
I don't think that at all. Best discussion by the pundit class about the NYG QB situation.
I admittedly started losing interest as soon as the guy started spitting out that they are going to suck and laughing at idea that Dabs was coach of the year. They might suck, but the dude has no idea. It is far from a given. The folks who claim to know exactly what's going to happen have zero clue what they're talking about.
In addition, my initial point wasn't just about these three, but all of the talking heads. You'd be hard-pressed (maybe Kiper) to find anyone who believes in Daniel Jones. Whether you agree with that or not.
In addition, my initial point wasn't just about these three, but all of the talking heads. You'd be hard-pressed (maybe Kiper) to find anyone who believes in Daniel Jones. Whether you agree with that or not.
is there is an implication that it's "Well by Daniel's standards." It's never actually playing like a good starting QB. He just has to not screw up massively and remain somewhat healthy to clear the bar.
If he has a bunch of typical Daniel games - 200 yards, 1 TD, all check downs, horrible pocket presence, 0.5 INTs, offense struggles to move the ball- that is good enough for ownership, given his other characteristics they love so much. It's kind of like a coaches son situation- he's going to keep the job unless he's a complete disaster.
As far as I can tell, she's had two post-draft discussions of the Giants and both have been pretty spot on. Why is she drawing some praise for her take? Because it's a more honest assessment than you will hear from ESPN or the NFL Network guys.
Weird reaction by you.
I guess I'll have to go back and listen to full thing
But I'm not sure what debate there is to have here. DJ is a bridge QB at this point. He's not the long term answer, but he is the current starter on a team who is still looking for that after failing to pry a pick away from the top 3 to get their guy. What alternative perspective is there, really?
That's a very good discussion. Again, take the emotion out of it as to what the preference was of what the Giants were going to do. There are a few things that stick out to me.
1. Drafting Nabers was not about Jones. It was about Nabers.
2. Jones is only 18 months older than Penix with one less ACL tear. That comment was pretty striking to me and made me to a double take.
3. The Giants want to move on from Jones. I think this idea gets muddled here with thinking drafting Nabers is a statement that the organization is all in on Jones.
Mina brings up a big issue though. How do the Giants get off this train? Either he's better than 2022 or he's so bad that it's easy to move off of. What if he's just good enough to go 8-9? Are the Giants then committing his 2025 cap number to Jones?
would have to play phenomenally well and stay healthy to be on the roster at this time next year IMO. Neither is likely. His ability to read defenses likely won't get any better going into his sixth season. It's pretty clear that Daboll and Kafka in 2022 told Jones to make one or two reads and then run. Some of that was undoubtedly because the OL was so bad, but also because they had no faith in his ability to make full-field reads on most plays. The rest of the league not surprisingly quickly adjusted. As others have noted, Taylor and DeVito, a UDFA rookie, had more success throwing down field with essentially the same cast than Jones.
Jones' running will be limited as he recovers from his torn ACL. He has also had a concussion and two serious neck injuries, problems that will likely occur again given how much he runs.
Jones is now at best a "bridge starter" for a year or two, and more likely a permanent journeyman like Lock, Darnold, Minshew, Taylor, etc. He'd have to show remarkable improvement to overcome that designation. As a Giants fan I certainly hope he can, but also acknowledge that is very unlikely to happen.
fact that the Giants tried to move up for Maye also proves that whether for performance or injury reasons, they are done with Jones. As Sean said, taking Nabers was not a statement that they are committed to Jones. It was simply about taking the player many people thought was the best WR, a position of dire need for the Giants.
want to eventually move on from Daniel Jones (which is not that big an assumption), I think John Mara has given one (or both) of them a few more years to turn this Giants franchise around. And if that includes a year (or two?) with Daniel Jones still at the helm, while the roster is being fortified and strengthened, so be it.
Bottom line: Doubtful either Schoen or Daboll would lose their job over Daniel Jones, but rather over the failure to right the Giants ship
they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
“Reproves” he can win? When has he proven it? LOL, he’s 22-36-1 as a starter, the high-water mark being 9-6-1 in 2022. Low bar indeed!
fact that the Giants tried to move up for Maye also proves that whether for performance or injury reasons, they are done with Jones. As Sean said, taking Nabers was not a statement that they are committed to Jones. It was simply about taking the player many people thought was the best WR, a position of dire need for the Giants.
Woah
Fact?
Because it was reported?
We offered what to a team that needed a QB more than us ?
We know the exact offer how?
The fact is that we did not draft a QB in the draft and we replaced our back up with a much less accomplished QB says what exactly?
want to eventually move on from Daniel Jones (which is not that big an assumption), I think John Mara has given one (or both) of them a few more years to turn this Giants franchise around. And if that includes a year (or two?) with Daniel Jones still at the helm, while the roster is being fortified and strengthened, so be it.
Bottom line: Doubtful either Schoen or Daboll would lose their job over Daniel Jones, but rather over the failure to right the Giants ship
I thought this was a rather mealy-mouthed panel that was preaching to the choir pretty much what the choir wanted to hear. They kind of lost me when one guy noted that one of the worst outcomes for the Giants would be if Jones did play really well so then they'd have to pay him going forward. I mean WTF; isn't having your QB play really well the goal here? One of them also claimed the Giants receivers are all slot guys. Wan'Dale but Slayton definitely isn't and Hyatt and Nabers are perfectly comfortable inside or out. In fact put Slayton and Hyatt outside and Wan'Dale and Malik in the slots and watch other teams scramble to get them all covered.
The stuff re Jones of course has been hashed and rehashed to death such that it is probably impossible to add anything much new or different. However the truth of the matter is that nobody knows how well Jones can or can't play given a competent OL and some real weapons because he's never had either. Eric noted that no or at least few analysts are supporting Jones. Well you know who is? The Giants themselves so maybe we should all just SFU for awhile and see how it actually plays out.
I liked the discussion. They considered Jones' current status and
his lack of ability to anticipate, or see the field. They also considered who he had to work with, the effect of his constantly being under siege, and if this had caused permanent damage to his willingness or ability to throw downfield.
Unlike most pundits, they did NOT make any absolute predictions/conclusions about Jones. They said he MIGHT continue to be terrible, or improve to mediocre, or he could improve enough to where he becomes a keeper. IMO, the future cannot be predicted and people who do it generally turn me off.
Actually they did make a prediction: Although the Giants have made inroads into improving the Oline and although they love Nabers, they said to expect another bad year because the Giants still don't have enough quality personnel. There was also no consensus of opinion on how good a coach Daboll is.
they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
Ironically Jones' only playoff game was leading the Giants to a win over a very overrated Minny team that decided to move on from their underperforming QB and "reach" for JJ McCarthy 1 season later.
I finally lost faith in Jones last year. For your own sake please recognize there isn't any way for us to improve the roster enough to win a Superbowl with him at QB. By all means if you want to believe this go for it but everyone else in the world sees it. This is why they think another average to good season would be a bad thing for the Giants... it delays the inevitable because Mara would 100% stop them from moving on. And no I don't believe the propaganda he isn't involve, he may stay that way mostly but he won't do it when it matters
I watched I laughed. It’s 3 people that agree. No one even attempts to paint another PoV. Not very insightful.
Why, because they didn’t tell you what you wanted to hear? I thought they were more than fair, addressed the lack of support Jones has had, and doubt that he can now become the QB he might have been with better support. If anything, I think they overstated how Jones could have been successful with a better cast.
I hate to break it to you, but in the NFL, the only people who still wonder if Jones can be the guy all work for the Giants. I will repeat this thought exercise:
Imagine Dwayne Haskins had the start of his career in DC like Jones had, a promising rookie year, followed by utter incompetence. Meanwhile, Commander fans keep harping in the bad coaching and poor cast as reasons for his struggles. Then with a coaching change, Haskins has a much more efficient season, and DC gives him the Jones contract. We would ALL be laughing our asses off.
Then take it one step further. In year 1 of that contract, Haskins is abysmal, worse than he’s ever been, but DC doesn’t draft his replacement. Who here isn’t in stitches?
I don't know who these guys are but they have to be BBIers: "The Giants have a problem if Daniel Jones plays too well" Because then they have to extend a guy they don't want to.
That might be the single stupidest line in sports history. And that says a lot.
(Anti) Jones Derangement Syndrome taken to new heights.
Interesting discussion. To paraphrase Bill Parcells
you are what your stats say you are. Daniel Jones' stats say he's not a very good quarterback. He's being given a golden opportunity to change that perception this season, a chance many other QB's wouldn't have gotten in their sixth season.
Either he proves everyone wrong, or he proves that the excuses for him were just that....excuses. I just hope he's not given a seventh season if things don't go well.
I don't know who these guys are but they have to be BBIers: "The Giants have a problem if Daniel Jones plays too well" Because then they have to extend a guy they don't want to.
That might be the single stupidest line in sports history. And that says a lot.
(Anti) Jones Derangement Syndrome taken to new heights.
Totally agree!!! They don't want him to play well.... Translated to we want to lose??? She isn't any better.....
The amount of beatings he has taken, health issues, lack of OL, weapons etc...he basically looked like a gunslinger with really high upside as a rookie. Really regressed and went conservative under Judge and Garrett for 2 seasons, then had a good first year with Daboll where he flashed a few things we had seen him do in the past while keeping the turnovers significantly down, ran a lot, etc....then it looked awful and he tore his knee.
Willing to give it one more half-year with a fresh OL and shiny top 10 receiver. But if he doesn't show a combination of his rookie year and 2022 out of the gate, it's clear he will never be "the guy."
Still think he can with the right recipe and an injury free season. Seems like Schoen and Daboll were fine with passing on the other QBs to see if they can salvage this.
doesn’t imply that he plays very well, but rather well enough that the Giants are tempted to double down on him longer. They even acknowledge that if Jones plays really well, that it’s a good problem to have.
What they are referring to is Jones repeating his 2022 (Kimes even mentioned it), well enough to coax the team to a WC berth, but not well enough to beat the better teams. Maybe the derangement is with the DJFC?
Schmeelk may be a mouth piece (i don't think he is) but he is a person who is actually still somewhat optimistic about Jones' ability.
I think he'd be very down on him if he thought Giants wouldn't be able to have a playoff type season with him at QB and some changes to OL and weaponry.
Jones doesn't have to play that well to stick around
This was a good listen, pretty much agreed with everything said
This was a good listen, pretty much agreed with everything said
They raised a number of issues that I've written about, including the complicated question of "is Daniel broken?" at this point.
Anything in between is the "treadmill of mediocrity" - I like that quote - which leads to QB hell.
But I think its fair to question is pre-snap reads and his ability to handle pressure. Seems to stare down his first read when he 'feels' the pressure and that leads to disaster most often. I think any QB struggles under pressure but I think Jones is worse than most. Think Seattle. He also hasn't been consistently healthy so protection has to improve (I think we addressed that well).
So lets protect him and find ways to get the ball out quick and into the hands of our playmakers (Nabers, Robinson, Hyatt, Slayton) while also providing some safety valves for him (Bellinger, Johnson, Singletary & maybe Tracy).
Jones isn't an elite QB. But protect him and give him weapons in a well designed offense and I think you can do enough on offense to win double digit games.
Beyond that, obviously plan to keep any and all options open to upgrade in the future. One idea I had was to trade out or back of next years first round to acquire an additional 1st in 2026 to assist in moving up then if needed. I know that's not an ideal plan perhaps but one to keep in the back pocket if nothing arises between now and the 2025 draft to find our guy.
Because everyone except a few fanatical types assume that the best version of Jones will never be good enough to hold the Lombardi Trophy.
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Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
I don't think that at all. Best discussion by the pundit class about the NYG QB situation.
Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
You can't get around the point she raised. Jones is dead last in the NFL among 38 quarterbacks in throwing the ball down the field in the last two seasons. Taylor and DeVito come in, and that changes.
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they all assume the Giants want to get out of Jones contract and therefore think the Giants would be unhappy if he plays well because that would make it harder for them to move on. The Giants goal is to win, they considered drafting a QB because doubts were raised if Jones was the guy, BUT if Jones reproves that he can win why would the Giants still want to move on?
Because everyone except a few fanatical types assume that the best version of Jones will never be good enough to hold the Lombardi Trophy.
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But if Jones plays to the level where the Giants are winning, the front office will be upset because they'll have to consider extending him. That argument combined with the other makes no sense!
But if Jones plays to the level where the Giants are winning, the front office will be upset because they'll have to consider extending him. That argument combined with the other makes no sense!
That's not what they said. They talked about it being more likely he can become an adequate back-up on another team.
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if you hate Jones this will 100% appeal to you. if you think the team as whole can be better with changes we have made this will be ok. if you think Jones will be better with an improved Oline and improved weapons then you will hate this commentary.
Overall I don't know who this chic is but she seems fixated on using jones as her main Giants talking points- which has fan appeal but she rarely provides much beyond a basic fan level observation. keep in mind while some major QB's played in the playoffs last year we also saw:
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Joe Flacco
Will Levis
Jordan Love (who until last year had not really done much and even lost to the Giants last season)
We act like the league is all made up of SB MVP QB's except the Giants.
You can't get around the point she raised. Jones is dead last in the NFL among 38 quarterbacks in throwing the ball down the field in the last two seasons. Taylor and DeVito come in, and that changes.
I am not arguing the stuff sdaid, just she is a one trick pony about the Jones factor. I am not a Jones guy (wanted Maye) and we will be moving away from him after this season. I just don't think the Jones stuff is any more insightful than it is here. For some reason she has become the anti Jones/ anti Giants/ Anti Daboll etc crowds new love interest.
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Empty chatter is what this is.
I don't think that at all. Best discussion by the pundit class about the NYG QB situation.
I admittedly started losing interest as soon as the guy started spitting out that they are going to suck and laughing at idea that Dabs was coach of the year. They might suck, but the dude has no idea. It is far from a given. The folks who claim to know exactly what's going to happen have zero clue what they're talking about.
If he has a bunch of typical Daniel games - 200 yards, 1 TD, all check downs, horrible pocket presence, 0.5 INTs, offense struggles to move the ball- that is good enough for ownership, given his other characteristics they love so much. It's kind of like a coaches son situation- he's going to keep the job unless he's a complete disaster.
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nicke Foles, and Jeff Hostetler would like a word. Just saying.
Dilfer - cost basically nothing, all-time great defense
Brad Johnson - somewhat underrated, all-time great defense
Nick Foles - cost basically nothing, got absurdly hot for one year
Jeff Hostetler - no salary cap, Hall of Fame coaching, elite defense
If the plan is to build a team that an average QB can win with, how does paying that QB $40+ million per year factor into the team-building?
As far as I can tell, she's had two post-draft discussions of the Giants and both have been pretty spot on. Why is she drawing some praise for her take? Because it's a more honest assessment than you will hear from ESPN or the NFL Network guys.
Weird reaction by you.
1. Drafting Nabers was not about Jones. It was about Nabers.
2. Jones is only 18 months older than Penix with one less ACL tear. That comment was pretty striking to me and made me to a double take.
3. The Giants want to move on from Jones. I think this idea gets muddled here with thinking drafting Nabers is a statement that the organization is all in on Jones.
Mina brings up a big issue though. How do the Giants get off this train? Either he's better than 2022 or he's so bad that it's easy to move off of. What if he's just good enough to go 8-9? Are the Giants then committing his 2025 cap number to Jones?
And yet, he hasn't played a down in the NFL.
Jones' running will be limited as he recovers from his torn ACL. He has also had a concussion and two serious neck injuries, problems that will likely occur again given how much he runs.
Jones is now at best a "bridge starter" for a year or two, and more likely a permanent journeyman like Lock, Darnold, Minshew, Taylor, etc. He'd have to show remarkable improvement to overcome that designation. As a Giants fan I certainly hope he can, but also acknowledge that is very unlikely to happen.
The Giants actions support the opposite premise.
Foolish waste of time trying to support an opinion that doesn’t matter.
Bottom line: Doubtful either Schoen or Daboll would lose their job over Daniel Jones, but rather over the failure to right the Giants ship
“Reproves” he can win? When has he proven it? LOL, he’s 22-36-1 as a starter, the high-water mark being 9-6-1 in 2022. Low bar indeed!
Fact?
Because it was reported?
We offered what to a team that needed a QB more than us ?
We know the exact offer how?
The fact is that we did not draft a QB in the draft and we replaced our back up with a much less accomplished QB says what exactly?
Bottom line: Doubtful either Schoen or Daboll would lose their job over Daniel Jones, but rather over the failure to right the Giants ship
Yes. I agree with this.
The stuff re Jones of course has been hashed and rehashed to death such that it is probably impossible to add anything much new or different. However the truth of the matter is that nobody knows how well Jones can or can't play given a competent OL and some real weapons because he's never had either. Eric noted that no or at least few analysts are supporting Jones. Well you know who is? The Giants themselves so maybe we should all just SFU for awhile and see how it actually plays out.
Unlike most pundits, they did NOT make any absolute predictions/conclusions about Jones. They said he MIGHT continue to be terrible, or improve to mediocre, or he could improve enough to where he becomes a keeper. IMO, the future cannot be predicted and people who do it generally turn me off.
Actually they did make a prediction: Although the Giants have made inroads into improving the Oline and although they love Nabers, they said to expect another bad year because the Giants still don't have enough quality personnel. There was also no consensus of opinion on how good a coach Daboll is.
Ironically Jones' only playoff game was leading the Giants to a win over a very overrated Minny team that decided to move on from their underperforming QB and "reach" for JJ McCarthy 1 season later.
I finally lost faith in Jones last year. For your own sake please recognize there isn't any way for us to improve the roster enough to win a Superbowl with him at QB. By all means if you want to believe this go for it but everyone else in the world sees it. This is why they think another average to good season would be a bad thing for the Giants... it delays the inevitable because Mara would 100% stop them from moving on. And no I don't believe the propaganda he isn't involve, he may stay that way mostly but he won't do it when it matters
Why, because they didn’t tell you what you wanted to hear? I thought they were more than fair, addressed the lack of support Jones has had, and doubt that he can now become the QB he might have been with better support. If anything, I think they overstated how Jones could have been successful with a better cast.
I hate to break it to you, but in the NFL, the only people who still wonder if Jones can be the guy all work for the Giants. I will repeat this thought exercise:
Imagine Dwayne Haskins had the start of his career in DC like Jones had, a promising rookie year, followed by utter incompetence. Meanwhile, Commander fans keep harping in the bad coaching and poor cast as reasons for his struggles. Then with a coaching change, Haskins has a much more efficient season, and DC gives him the Jones contract. We would ALL be laughing our asses off.
Then take it one step further. In year 1 of that contract, Haskins is abysmal, worse than he’s ever been, but DC doesn’t draft his replacement. Who here isn’t in stitches?
That might be the single stupidest line in sports history. And that says a lot.
(Anti) Jones Derangement Syndrome taken to new heights.
Either he proves everyone wrong, or he proves that the excuses for him were just that....excuses. I just hope he's not given a seventh season if things don't go well.
That might be the single stupidest line in sports history. And that says a lot.
(Anti) Jones Derangement Syndrome taken to new heights.
Totally agree!!! They don't want him to play well.... Translated to we want to lose??? She isn't any better.....
Willing to give it one more half-year with a fresh OL and shiny top 10 receiver. But if he doesn't show a combination of his rookie year and 2022 out of the gate, it's clear he will never be "the guy."
Still think he can with the right recipe and an injury free season. Seems like Schoen and Daboll were fine with passing on the other QBs to see if they can salvage this.
What they are referring to is Jones repeating his 2022 (Kimes even mentioned it), well enough to coax the team to a WC berth, but not well enough to beat the better teams. Maybe the derangement is with the DJFC?
I think he'd be very down on him if he thought Giants wouldn't be able to have a playoff type season with him at QB and some changes to OL and weaponry.
The Giants want to be right about Jones.