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NFT: Mets vs Phillies: Gm 2 –⚾ Buttó (R) vs Nola (R)⚾– 1:10 pm ET

Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 12:44 pm

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the games in Flushing today & tomorrow in Philly.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Today’s matinée will be on SNY as will tomorrow night’s game.
-The forecast for today’s game looks dandy. Click HERE to stay updated & see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports for Cit Field for today’s game.
-The Mets enter today with a record of 19-21. After 40 games, we’ve reached the approximate quarter pole of the season. Traditionally people wait until this point to start to take statistics seriously for a given season, so feel free to read ‘em and weep. Check ‘em out HERE.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions thus far for May.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today's game will consist of Nido (R), Bader (R), McNeil (L), & Stewart (L).
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Check out the Minor League thread for May below:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 12:45 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm



*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Here are a couple of useful financial websites:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 12:46 pm : link
Cot's Baseball Contracts - A Clearinghouse for MLB Salary and Payroll details


RosterResource - Team Payroll - NEW YORK METS PLAYER PAYROLL
Late lineup scratch by the Phils:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 1:04 pm : link
-Bryce Harper has been scratched due to a migraine.
-Bohm moves over from 3B to play 1B in place of Harper.
-Whit Merrifield moves into the lineup and is playing 3B in Bohm's place.

Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 1:09 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets vs. Phillies | 1:10 pm EDT start - May 14, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary, Keith, & Ron (strfish.xyz)

Mets vs. Phillies | 1:10 pm EDT start - May 14, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Phillies’ feed – NBC 10 (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Phillies – May 14, 2024 - 1:10 pm EDT start


Enjoy today's game 😊
Here are the standings in the NL East as of now:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 1:28 pm : link
Delightful game again  
bhill410 : 5/14/2024 2:37 pm : link
With exactly 0 hits as of this post.
Baty looks lost and vientos hit 2 homers off suarez last year  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 2:38 pm : link
i know Baty's defense has been good, but honestly there is almost nothing encouraging in his offensive profile right now relative to last year.

barrel% down by 1/3
hard hit% down by 1/3
sweetspot% down by 1/3

RE: Baty looks lost and vientos hit 2 homers off suarez last year  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16514657 Eric on Li said:
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i know Baty's defense has been good, but honestly there is almost nothing encouraging in his offensive profile right now relative to last year.

barrel% down by 1/3
hard hit% down by 1/3
sweetspot% down by 1/3



They really need Vientos to be with the Big Club. Martinez just doesn't fit.
JDM is pulling his weight  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 3:10 pm : link
he's probably been their best bat since being activated. Not saying much but he has been good and trending up.

Baty has been one of the least threatening hitters in MLB ytd. The defense has been great but the offense regressing below last year is a legitimate concern.
Just checked in on the game  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2024 3:14 pm : link
see how its going:

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Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 3:15 pm : link
Nola looks like he could pitch a complete game.  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 3:19 pm : link
He just had a 3-pitch inning in the bottom of the 7th and has only thrown 75 pitches so far in total.
RE: Nola looks like he could pitch a complete game.  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16514730 Optimus-NY said:
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He just had a 3-pitch inning in the bottom of the 7th and has only thrown 75 pitches so far in total.


talk about a kick in the nuts inning - 2 crushed balls with a man on turn into 3 outs:

Houser's was just throwing in the BP, so this might change:  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 3:32 pm : link
another weak pop for baty  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 3:34 pm : link
0 for his last 14. just totally lost at plate right now.
This team is absolutely pathetic!  
GiantBlue : 5/14/2024 3:47 pm : link
Please start trading now....

Alonso for one! Pouty SOB needs to go...He can't hit, he can't field, he can't fun.......He looks five years older than he is.......Please!

McNeal, Nimmo, Marte....Send them away! Please!

The pitching is trying...but these bats make anemic sound like a powerful word!

What a bunch of losers!

End of Rant
The Mets  
Maggot Brain : 5/14/2024 3:56 pm : link
are unwatchable. Stearns intimated this was a season to watch and learn what he's got talent-wise. He ain't got much. Guys like Wendle, Mcneil, Narvaez, Nido, Marte and the like are no longer viable major leaguers and Cohen needs to be a major player in free agency. Stearns needs to trade Alonso for a stud minor leaguer and we have to hope some of these minor league pitchers pan out. Gonna be a long fucking summer.
Put another "L" in the books...  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 4:04 pm : link

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I have no idea how they are only 3 games under  
moespree : 5/14/2024 4:10 pm : link
Watching them feels like a team that should be 10 under.

But it's probably heading that way anyway. I wasn't expecting much this season, but I was expecting more than this.
Mendoza said in the post game presser that Adrian Houser isn't gonna  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 4:23 pm : link
start tomorrow night in Philly. He also said that Megill won't be pitching since he threw on Sunday in the minors. Let the speculation begin about tomorrow's starting pitcher.
RE: Mendoza said in the post game presser that Adrian Houser isn't gonna  
Metnut : 5/14/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16514801 Optimus-NY said:
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start tomorrow night in Philly. He also said that Megill won't be pitching since he threw on Sunday in the minors. Let the speculation begin about tomorrow's starting pitcher.


Gonna be Joey L. He's supposed to start in Cuse tonight. Not a great option, but certainly no worse than Houser.

Another complete snoozefest of a game. Kind of frustrating when teams carrying no hitters/perfect games deep into the game is becoming common.
RE: RE: Mendoza said in the post game presser that Adrian Houser isn't gonna  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16514813 Metnut said:
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start tomorrow night in Philly. He also said that Megill won't be pitching since he threw on Sunday in the minors. Let the speculation begin about tomorrow's starting pitcher.



Gonna be Joey L. He's supposed to start in Cuse tonight. Not a great option, but certainly no worse than Houser.

Another complete snoozefest of a game. Kind of frustrating when teams carrying no hitters/perfect games deep into the game is becoming common.


Joey Lucchesi is the right guy (prolly only guy, lol). I never wanna see Houser start another game with the Mets again for any reason.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 4:58 pm : link
99% Lucchesi. They don't have another option outside of a bullpen game.
RE: It's  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16514846 DanMetroMan said:
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99% Lucchesi. They don't have another option outside of a bullpen game.


Who gets sent down? There's also Drew Smith to factor into the equation since he's ready to come off the IL.
RE: It's  
DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16514846 DanMetroMan said:
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99% Lucchesi. They don't have another option outside of a bullpen game.


Lucchesi confirmed
RE: RE: It's  
DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16514857 Optimus-NY said:
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99% Lucchesi. They don't have another option outside of a bullpen game.



Who gets sent down? There's also Drew Smith to factor into the equation since he's ready to come off the IL.


They could send down Ramirez for Lucchesi and hold off on Smith for 1 day, then swap Lucchesi for Smith.
RE: RE: RE: It's  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16514862 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16514846 DanMetroMan said:


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99% Lucchesi. They don't have another option outside of a bullpen game.



Who gets sent down? There's also Drew Smith to factor into the equation since he's ready to come off the IL.



They could send down Ramirez for Lucchesi and hold off on Smith for 1 day, then swap Lucchesi for Smith.


Ah, makes sense.
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DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 5:51 pm : link
Looks like both Lucchesi and Vientos are coming up #Mets
Lineup  
GF1080 : 5/14/2024 5:54 pm : link
Please hit up here Vientos. Please!
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Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16514877 DanMetroMan said:
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Looks like both Lucchesi and Vientos are coming up #Mets


Awesome! Who be going down from the position group, unless there's a phantom injury---Eppler style!
always an optimist but I'm  
Rory : 5/14/2024 6:33 pm : link
not sure its best for the franchise to not sell at the deadline. Diaz looks off, Senga is a question mark, lost half a season with Alvarez and lost a full season with Mauricio.

Phillies Braves Dodgers are just too good, and they will all add at the deadline to get better.

An is anyone paying attention to the Nationals? cause they are coming fast.

Sell high with Sevy/Manaea and consider offers for Alonso & McNeil & Marte.

Dang this sucks

I would actually try to re-sign Pete for cheap (relatively speaking)  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 6:37 pm : link
now while they can. If they can get him signed for 6 years, it'd be a coup IMHO.
The full Alderson interview turned out to be EXTREMELY newsworthy  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 6:39 pm : link
1. The biggest thing was probably re the phantom IR, did it once in the 80's and felt awful about it, never did it again. Was asked if he knew about it at the time and tried to stop it, "don't want to get into details but yes and yes" (that's pretty wow). Wasn't him who wrote to MLBHQ ("not my style, if i was going to do that i'd have picked up the phone and called one of the people i've known for 20-30 years in commissioners office").

2. Was very involved in hiring Eppler and still thinks he was the correct hire for that time period and what the Mets needed at that moment (my take - Eppler's strength is he's a good salesman and that was right before the spending spree of November/December 2021).

3. Was minimally involved in baseball operations in 2022 and not at all involved in 2023, but at some point he had differences of opinion with Eppler (and it wasn't bc Eppler fired his son).

4. Very big fan of Buck and even though he (Sandy) was removed from baseball opps in 2023 he implied that there were decisions forced on him and he didnt have the flexibility to make decisions he wanted to make.

5. Likes Stearns and thinks the reset year is a good thing for the organization. Spending the way they were in FA isn't sustainable. Stearns had been among those they pursued earlier and they had some involvement together before Sandy left officially in October. More important than the baseball thinks Stearns is empathetic and from the outside he appears to be building a positive culture. (reading between the lines, i expect this is where he thinks Eppler did a poor job).

I know most don't like Alderson, but he's always honest and like him or not he isn't stupid. 30-40 minutes of interesting behind the scenes details about what really happened the last few years (and prior).

Non-Mets related he also says the Giants are a big reason A's are being screwed over. When Sandy was there and Haas was the owner they gave Giants the rights to San Jose territory so they could build a new stadium there. They never built that stadium but never gave the rights back.
Sandy Alderson Talks Mets’ Tenure, Eppler, Phantom IL | Ep. 101 | The Show Podcast - ( New Window )
oh also not sure if it was Sherman or Heyman but re Pete they say  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 6:42 pm : link
the mets basically offered him the olsen extension (7x168m) last year at ASB and he turned it down. Sandy didn't totally confirm it or deny it, but I got the impression that what was thrown out wasn't incorrect. says he thinks Stearns is going to be very rational determining the right decision going forward with Pete, doesn't think the situation is the same as Wright where the organization had a credibility problem and they felt they needed to do it for the brand.

nothing all that notable re Cohen beyond what we already know, willing to spend whatever it takes, quick study, has learned a lot these first few years and thinks the organization is in good hands. Thinks baseball ops has more independence now with Stearns and that's a good thing.
As expected?  
dannysection 313 : 5/14/2024 7:08 pm : link
Not sure what people thought were reasonable expectations going into the season...

Way back in February there was a thread about D. Stearns declaring that he "expected the Mets would compete for a play-off spot."

Many of us scratched our heads after hearing that and seeing the team they were trotting out for the season.

Harrison Bader, Adrian Houser, Joey Wendle, Brett Baty, Dave Stewart, Tyrone Taylor were all expected to play major roles...But, none have ever been above average at the major league level and in many cases, not even average.

In order to play .500 baseball, I thought the "core four" had to all have really good years...well, 41 games in, none are, and the highest OPS among these four is Nimmo at .760. Missing Alvarez has also hurt.

The biggest culprits thus far and guys they needed to lead the team statistically, have not been good...especially Lindor, Alonso, Quintana, and Diaz (to some degree).

I'm especially surprised at the pass Lindor seems to get on these threads.

Really, he's been awful, barely hitting .200, an OBP of .272 (that's not a miss print) and a .07 WAR. He's a very good fielding short stop, but he has never been as good a hitter as a Met as he was in Cleveland, where he hit 30 plus HR's three years times (once as a Met), had an OPS above .800 four times (once as a Met) and hit .300 twice.

I have always been a big Pete Alonso fan, but they Mets would be crazy to sign him to a multi-year contract for 200 million dollars...and I love Pete. He doesn't seem to have the confidence to be "the straw" and he looks like he needs a hug much of the time.

Not sure what the deal with Vientos is....there must be something about him we don't know or can't see. Guy hits a walk off and gets sent down two days later? Weird.

On the plus side, Marte has stayed healthy and Manea and Severino have been very good...and the only pitcher on the team with more than two wins is Reed Garrett (with five...at this rate he'll be the first 20 game winner for the Mets since R.A. Dickey) who is the MVP of this team thus far...

This season is all about next season...and Stearns evaluating what he's got at the major league level...

Juan Soto is the guy they should go after... a true superstar who can play in the bright lights and has a Bob Gibson attitude on the field (unlike our hug anyone in sight short stop).

There will be good moments, but so far it's very hard to watch.

But there will be "lots of good seats available" all summer as Bob Murphy used to say.
I'll be at the game tomorrow...  
moze1021 : 5/14/2024 7:09 pm : link
Don't know why I'm subjecting myself to it
they are 1.5 back of the wild card  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 7:17 pm : link
despite playing like crap against good teams.

if they continue playing below their career norms for the next 6-8 weeks they will probably sell what they can.

if they collectively start hitting to their norms there's a good chance they get a WC.
Wendle  
DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 7:41 pm : link
DFA’ed, as expected
RE: Wendle  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16514972 DanMetroMan said:
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DFA’ed, as expected


wow im pretty surprised they pulled the plug this early but good for them.

it makes sense, wendle's defense hasnt been better than Baty's. there's a position flex issue on bench but i guess cross that bridge when they get to it?
RE: Wendle  
GF1080 : 5/14/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16514972 DanMetroMan said:
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DFA’ed, as expected


Would love to know why he was signed so quickly to begin with.
RE: RE: Wendle  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16514976 GF1080 said:
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DFA’ed, as expected



Would love to know why he was signed so quickly to begin with.


Used to be a good defender, used to be a very good base runner, was considered a good clubhouse guy, and was very good at squaring balls up. Still is. right now he has the highest % of squared up contact on the team and the highest percentage of balls hit in play. every other swing he is putting a ball in play and every other ball in play he is squaring it up. i think he just got old and ran out of power.



the guys in the bottom left are zack short and a little above him brett baty.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 5/14/2024 8:01 pm : link
Confirms it’s a time share at 3B. I guess Baty is the emergency backup SS/2B?
here is why the power outage matters  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 8:07 pm : link
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A swing’s squared-up rate compares how much exit velocity was attained compared to how much potential exit velocity was possible based on bat speed and pitch speed. A “blast” is a swing that squares up the ball and does so with a fast swing.

It's important to square up the ball, but the most valuable swings occur when the ball is squared up and the swing is fast, thus defined as a blast. The league average for swings defined as blasts is .545 with a 1.116 Slug. Compare that to a .171 BA and .221 slug for non-blasts.


so net/net wendle was squaring balls up a ton but without enough swing speed to do damage.

his blast rate is the same baty's (6%), they just get there in different ways. baty swings fast (73 mph) but almost never squares the ball up, wendle squares it up all the time but swings slow (68 mph).

the mets top 3 blast rates are all around 21% (Stewart, Marte, Vientos, his obviously SSS).

Lindor, Alonso, Nimmo all around 13-17%.



mcneil and baty are the 2 concerning guys on this chart.
RE: Martino  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16514987 DanMetroMan said:
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Confirms it’s a time share at 3B. I guess Baty is the emergency backup SS/2B?


id think mcneil is emergency SS, and yeah i guess baty emergency 2b?
this may be unpopular but time share seems like an odd choice  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 8:11 pm : link
baty is struggling bad enough it's better than nothing, but is he going to snap out of it by swinging less?

this is probably the move i would have made after vientos came up and hit the homer to avoid sending him down, but with baty struggling so much since then id have been tempted to let him find a groove in AAA.
RE: RE: RE: Wendle  
GF1080 : 5/14/2024 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16514982 Eric on Li said:
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DFA’ed, as expected



Would love to know why he was signed so quickly to begin with.



Used to be a good defender, used to be a very good base runner, was considered a good clubhouse guy, and was very good at squaring balls up. Still is. right now he has the highest % of squared up contact on the team and the highest percentage of balls hit in play. every other swing he is putting a ball in play and every other ball in play he is squaring it up. i think he just got old and ran out of power.



the guys in the bottom left are zack short and a little above him brett baty.


He was terrible all around last year. The year before he was terrible hitting and ok defensively. The profile is not one to rush to sign even at a cheap price when he's 34. They could have waited to sign a bunch of guys like this but glad they admitted the mistake and are moving off it quickly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wendle  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2024 8:39 pm : link
In comment 16515013 GF1080 said:
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He was terrible all around last year. The year before he was terrible hitting and ok defensively. The profile is not one to rush to sign even at a cheap price when he's 34. They could have waited to sign a bunch of guys like this but glad they admitted the mistake and are moving off it quickly.


they paid him basically same thing guillorme was projected to get. at the time i didnt like adding him over guillorme and assumed it was more guillorme wanting out, but if he had somehow rolled the clock back he could have been a good add. over his career he was a better offensive player than guillorme - like ive said it appears he's still good at squaring balls up.

his power dropped off the planet though, his iso is .029. even last year it was .094. he's just cooked i guess.

btw the FA shortstops who got 2m or less last year were slim pickings:

paul dejong signed 11/21 so he was off market.
guillorme has already been moved out of ATL.
nick ahmed has been slightly better but also 34.
brandon crawford got 2m but has somehow been worse.

dan can attest if i were GM id have spent $5m and tried to get Kike to pick NY > LAD for an extra mil. not sure if it would have worked though, he's gotten 90 at bats there. the mets didnt have a good role to sell since they wanted to give one of Baty/Mauricio a real run at 3b.
RE: Wendle  
Optimus-NY : 5/14/2024 9:03 pm : link
In comment 16514972 DanMetroMan said:
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DFA’ed, as expected


Good effing riddance. Guy was a total waste of space and was literally losing us games.
It's just a couple weeks  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2024 9:14 pm : link
until Memorial Day are we sill in "Lindor always starts slow" mode?

His wRC+ is 95. 16th out of 25 qualified SS.

he is playing like an $8M player while getting paid $34M. I wonder if there is a worse value in the league right now. Probably.

Javy Baez wRC+ is 21, lol. Man the Mets make some really bad moves, trading for Baez was one, thankfully they did not compound it by re-signing him.

RE: It's just a couple weeks  
Eric on Li : 5/15/2024 12:01 am : link
In comment 16515099 pjcas18 said:
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until Memorial Day are we sill in "Lindor always starts slow" mode?

His wRC+ is 95. 16th out of 25 qualified SS.

he is playing like an $8M player while getting paid $34M. I wonder if there is a worse value in the league right now. Probably.

Javy Baez wRC+ is 21, lol. Man the Mets make some really bad moves, trading for Baez was one, thankfully they did not compound it by re-signing him.


lindor has already been worth 1 fwar in 40 games so his slow start is still a 4 win pace.

as of 2022 4 wins via FA would be valued at about $34m, he makes $31.9m. so even with the slow start more than 100 points below career average ops, there is surplus value (as there has been in each of his first 3 years as a met).

last year he was right at his career average and worth 5.6 wins, so if he hits to his career average the remaining 75% of the year his fwar will be around 5.2 this year. he was the 12th most valuable player in mlb last year.

he's literally beltran part 2 right down to not being appreciated until it becomes a 5-10 year quest to replace him. i guess we still havent found a 30/100 gold glove CF so 14 years and counting.
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