The roster in September will be 53.
If you take away the PK, P, and LS, that leaves you with 50.
Questionable assumption, but let's assume 25 on offense and 25 on defense.
How many are you keeping at each position?
I have my own preliminary thoughts, but this is a really tough exercise given who is on the roster right now.
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At this point, let them make the decision and we go with it. I am not going to agnonize over it like I used.
6 DLs
9 LBs
11 DBs
2 QBs
4 RBs
6 WRs
3 TEs
9 OLs
At this point, let them make the decision and we go with it. I am not going to agnonize over it like I used.
Probably smart.
What makes this really hard is they have a number of special teams exclusive players who may or may not make it.
RB 3
TE 3
WR 6
OL 9
23 on offense
DL 6
LB/EDGE 8
DB 10
24 on defense
That leaves 3. I’d probably add a 9th LB for ST. Maybe a 10th OL and a 4th TE.
My best guess.
6 DLs
9 LBs
11 DBs
2 QBs
4 RBs
6 WRs
3 TEs
9 OLs
Initial opinion looking at the depth chart is I expect things pretty similar. Perhaps a 3rd QB, and only 3 RBs. Keep a couple RB on the practice squad.
-QB(3): Daniel Jones, Drew Lock , Tommy DeVito
-RB(3): Devin Singletary, Eric Gray, Tyrone Tracy Jr.
-TE(3): Daniel Bellinger, Theo Johnson , Jack Stoll
-WR1(3): Malik Nabers, Jalin Hyatt, Miles Boykin,
-WR2(2): Darius Slayton, Allen Robinson
-Slot(2): Wan'Dale Robinson, Gunner Olszewski
-LT(2): Andrew Thomas, Matt Nelson
-LG(2): Jon Runyan, Joshua Ezeudu
-C(2): John Michael Schmitz, Austin Schlottmann
-RG(2): Jermaine Eluemunor, Aaron Stinnie
-RT(1): Evan Neal
Defense - 25
-DL(2): Jordan Phillips, D.J. Davidson
-DL(2): Dexter Lawrence, Jordon Riley
-DL(1): Rakeem Nunez-Roches
-OLB(2): Brian Burns, Azeez Ojulari
-OLB(2): Kayvon Thibodeaux, Boogie Basham
-MLB(2): Bobby Okereke, Matthew Adams
-WLB(3): Micah McFadden, Isaiah Simmons, Darius Muasau
-CB1(2): Deonte Banks, Tre Hawkins
-CB2(2): Cor'Dale Flott, Nick McCloud
-Slot(2): Andru Phillips, Darnay Holmes
-FS(2): Jason Pinnock, Jalen Mills
-SS(3): Tyler Nubin, Dane Belton, Gervarrius Owens
-K: Graham Gano
-P: Jamie Gillan
-LS: Casey Kreiter
CB- does A.Robinson make it back or is he done? If does make it back he provides inside/outside versatility and a bit more physicality than some.
RB- D. Singletary and Gray seem like locks and Tracy should be there so the question is do we keep Brightwell or look elsewhere and is there a FB we keep (like a small DT switching positions) over a RB?
WR- the top part of the group is set- sort of *.. WDR, Hyatt, Nabers, Slayton all there. Then Mckenzie, BFW(?), Hodgins, Robinson are all in play here.. ** saving some money might be the difference in who is kept and who is let go..
The trade deadline could see the Giants still on the back end of contention or right in the middle of WC contention and yet I think we are still going to move someone here. Slayton becomes the obvious choice as he has NO longer position with this team (money needed for others, younger players at the position and players at the position more easily found). I could see Slayton shipped to a KC or other such contender before the deadline.
I think the 3-25-25 is a fairly good expectation.
DL and OLB will be interesting to see how that shakes out.
KT-Ojulari-FOX (after that it gets sketchy).. But, if some others step up Ojulari could be trade bait at the deadline as well.
-QB(3): Daniel Jones, Drew Lock , Tommy DeVito
-RB(3): Devin Singletary, Eric Gray, Tyrone Tracy Jr.
-TE(3): Daniel Bellinger, Theo Johnson , Jack Stoll
-WR1(3): Malik Nabers, Jalin Hyatt, Miles Boykin,
-WR2(2): Darius Slayton, Allen Robinson
-Slot(2): Wan'Dale Robinson, Gunner Olszewski
-LT(2): Andrew Thomas, Matt Nelson
-LG(2): Jon Runyan, Joshua Ezeudu
-C(2): John Michael Schmitz, Austin Schlottmann
-RG(2): Jermaine Eluemunor, Aaron Stinnie
-RT(1): Evan Neal
Defense - 25
-DL(2): Jordan Phillips, D.J. Davidson
-DL(2): Dexter Lawrence, Jordon Riley
-DL(1): Rakeem Nunez-Roches
-OLB(2): Brian Burns, Azeez Ojulari
-OLB(2): Kayvon Thibodeaux, Boogie Basham
-MLB(2): Bobby Okereke, Matthew Adams
-WLB(3): Micah McFadden, Isaiah Simmons, Darius Muasau
-CB1(2): Deonte Banks, Tre Hawkins
-CB2(2): Cor'Dale Flott, Nick McCloud
-Slot(2): Andru Phillips, Darnay Holmes
-FS(2): Jason Pinnock, Jalen Mills
-SS(3): Tyler Nubin, Dane Belton, Gervarrius Owens
-K: Graham Gano
-P: Jamie Gillan
-LS: Casey Kreiter
This is a really good guess.
Notes to consider:
- I could see them carrying four TEs.
- Both Isaiah's out at WR in your scenario in favor of ST players (realistic).
- Five DLs is a bit light.
- Adams over Beavers is another ST move.
- I don't think you have any UDFAs making it on 53.
jones / lock
singletary / tracy
nabers /hyatt /slayton / wandale
theo / bellinger
thomas/ neal /elumeanor / runyan / jms
burns / thibs / ojulari
lawrence / nacho
okereke / mcfadden
banks / flott / phillips
pinnock / nubin / belton
so that puts these 20 competing for ~10 spots on offense:
1 QB (devito, rourke)
1+ RB (gray, brightwell, corbin, miller)
1+ TE (waller, manhertz, stoll)
2+ WR (hodgins, robinson, mckenzie, olszewski, boykin)
4+ OL (stinnie, schlottman, nelson, ezeudu, mckethan, etc)
and these 20 competing for ~12 spots on defense:
1 DE (fox, basham)
3+ DL (phillips, djd, riley, horne, anderson, rogers)
3+ LB (coughlin, simmons, muasau, fox, beavers)
3+ CB (mccloud, hawkins, holmes, long, johnson)
1+ S (mills, owens)
obviously there will be some injuries too.
each team loses on average 2 players to IR each training camp.
offensive depth looks a lot better to me right now than defensive. if/when Waller retires, wouldn't mind seeing them put some money toward a couple of depth signings in the DL/DB groups.
This is a really good guess.
Notes to consider:
- I could see them carrying four TEs.
- Both Isaiah's out at WR in your scenario in favor of ST players (realistic).
- Five DLs is a bit light.
- Adams over Beavers is another ST move.
- I don't think you have any UDFAs making it on 53. [/quote]
-I only see four if Waller doesn't retire.
-Hodgins over Robinson wouldn't surprise me either.
-McKenzie seems like the odd man out to me with the other adds.
-Who do you cut to keep a 6th? I could see Ryder Anderson out of the current group. If they added a veteran I would be more inclined to go 6.
-No UDFAs I don't like either. Casey Rogers if any for now like Ryder.
There are also 9 hold overs from DG. I expect that number to much smaller by week 1.
Also, we know that the original 53 is almost never the final list. There are always going to be tweaks as cuts come in.
Giants typically don't have 3 QBs on the 53 (they will only have 2 active), but they might this season.
First, Jones is an injury risk and could be cut before the '25 season.
Second, Lock is on a one year deal. He could be cut during the season, as it could make the difference between the Giants getting a 3rd/4th round comp pick or a 7th depending on how things shake out.
Third, they may like DeVito and/or Rourke as at least a cheap backup going forward. They may not want to risk losing one of them on the practice squad, particularly when Jones/Lock may not be on the Giants by the '25 season
One player I will not go with is Boogie Basham. He is too slow. I believe they will get another OLB/ER younger with more speed. It is clear where this staff wants to go and that is youth with speed.
Last year I predicted Isaiah Hodgins would be let go and was totally wrong, although he barely saw the field. I will revisit that prediction and once again say Hodgins will not make the final 53.
One player I will not go with is Boogie Basham. He is too slow. I believe they will get another OLB/ER younger with more speed. It is clear where this staff wants to go and that is youth with speed.
Last year I predicted Isaiah Hodgins would be let go and was totally wrong, although he barely saw the field. I will revisit that prediction and once again say Hodgins will not make the final 53.
I think it was Paul Dottino who suggested he move to the 3 tech role and away from OLB because his pass rushing is weak and he did it a bit in college.
We will be picking near the top once again.
How many times to we have to see him fail before we go in a different direction.
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good handle on this.
One player I will not go with is Boogie Basham. He is too slow. I believe they will get another OLB/ER younger with more speed. It is clear where this staff wants to go and that is youth with speed.
Last year I predicted Isaiah Hodgins would be let go and was totally wrong, although he barely saw the field. I will revisit that prediction and once again say Hodgins will not make the final 53.
I think it was Paul Dottino who suggested he move to the 3 tech role and away from OLB because his pass rushing is weak and he did it a bit in college.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if he is bad as pass rush outside, how does he become pass rush inside that they are looking for. I just never thought anything about him was worth keeping.
We will be picking near the top once again.
How many times to we have to see him fail before we go in a different direction.
Except he's not the only right tackle who will make the team.
We will be picking near the top once again.
How many times to we have to see him fail before we go in a different direction.
I'd say it in reverse; there's options at RT should Neal flop. The real problem is if Thomas goes down, as shown last year (e.g. Josh Ezeudu playing out of position at LT).
Meanwhile as far as the defense is concerned, I'm hoping against hope that the 2-man line won't be our go-to front.
I do think aside from Lawrence, that Nunez-Roches, Phillips, Riley, and Davidson are likely to make it barring injury. But in a perfect world, someone else flashes as a penetrating DL, be it Rogers, Chatman, Anderson, or maybe someone not even on the roster. Obviously they are all PS candidates too so you could be right that the simply have 5 on the 53 and put 2-3 on the PS.
What adds a little complexity to this is nuanced positions. Like 3rd down back, short yardage back, end line blocking TE, etc. That’s why teams covet versatility because it means you don’t have to waste a roster spot on one guy who only fills a nuanced position. But when determining the 46, all those nuanced positions need to be accounted for including insurance.
What adds even more complexity is all STs (kickoff, punt, FG). You have to have bodies for all those different assignments. So every year when we argue about carrying 5 or 6 or 7 WRs, or 3 or 4 RB, etc, the determining factor is generally STs. For example, you may just need 3 RBs for your 46 (assuming you have enough guys who can be a feature back, 3rd down back, short yardage, etc) but you end up with 4 on your 46 because the 4th guy covers multiple ST assignments.
Bridging that 46 to 53 often is filled with some non-contributors that teams can’t waive. For example, we could come out of camp and Dru Phillips may have demonstrated that he is completely lost and not ready for the NFL yet. But he’s getting a roster spot. That’s an obvious example but this can happen with late round picks and UDFAs with high guarantees if teams don’t want to risk the waiver process.
In summary…it’s complicated lol.
What adds a little complexity to this is nuanced positions. Like 3rd down back, short yardage back, end line blocking TE, etc. That’s why teams covet versatility because it means you don’t have to waste a roster spot on one guy who only fills a nuanced position. But when determining the 46, all those nuanced positions need to be accounted for including insurance.
What adds even more complexity is all STs (kickoff, punt, FG). You have to have bodies for all those different assignments. So every year when we argue about carrying 5 or 6 or 7 WRs, or 3 or 4 RB, etc, the determining factor is generally STs. For example, you may just need 3 RBs for your 46 (assuming you have enough guys who can be a feature back, 3rd down back, short yardage, etc) but you end up with 4 on your 46 because the 4th guy covers multiple ST assignments.
Bridging that 46 to 53 often is filled with some non-contributors that teams can’t waive. For example, we could come out of camp and Dru Phillips may have demonstrated that he is completely lost and not ready for the NFL yet. But he’s getting a roster spot. That’s an obvious example but this can happen with late round picks and UDFAs with high guarantees if teams don’t want to risk the waiver process.
In summary…it’s complicated lol.
this is correct.
i think it's really 3 rosters.
1. starters - like I said above there are I think there are about 28 roster locks, all being the projected starters or heavy rotation sub package players, one is the backup QB (Lock).
2. key backups/depth - these are guys like Hodgins, Simmons, J. Phillips, McCloud, Mills, probably at least one of DJD/Riley and maybe both. whoever the 3rd OT and 4th IOL are. the 3rd TE. these are players who will likely get starts over the season so you want them to have starting experience. You probably need at least 1 guy with starter experience like this backing up all positions. I count about 21 players beyond the 28 roster locks who have started 10+ NFL games.
3. secondary depth/special teamers - this is where there will be decisions with return/coverage games in mind. Is Tyrone Tracy the kick return? does that activate him over Gray? Do you keep a 4th TE (like Stoll) who is good on ST or a 5th S? Gunner vs. McKenzie for last WR. Is Hawkins or Long a better gunner? Coughlin vs. Muasau vs. Beavers?
I do think aside from Lawrence, that Nunez-Roches, Phillips, Riley, and Davidson are likely to make it barring injury. But in a perfect world, someone else flashes as a penetrating DL, be it Rogers, Chatman, Anderson, or maybe someone not even on the roster. Obviously they are all PS candidates too so you could be right that the simply have 5 on the 53 and put 2-3 on the PS.
DL feels like the spot where we'd see a late addition. They added the two UDFAs and we'll see what's what with Anderson have at camp and preseason and if no one emerges I think they keep trying to add someone, but they give them a shot first.
But the factor, no one is counting is injuries.....which will unfortunately....show its lousy head along the way
But the factor, no one is counting is injuries.....which will unfortunately....show its lousy head along the way
Nobody is counting it because no one has a clue where the injuries would be. So that is why there are options all over the roster. Most of these predict the roster threads are hopeful of the best outcome.
But the factor, no one is counting is injuries.....which will unfortunately....show its lousy head along the way
Can't have any discussion or roster analysis if you just say "wait and see". No one could have predicted Xavier McKinney was going to go to IR 8 days before the first game his rookie year and Logan Ryan would be signed and end up playing 60% of the snaps week 1 just days after being signed a $7.5M deal and switching from CB to S.