I get this is for clicks. Something like this isn't impossible if the wheels come off and 2024 is a very bleak season. I don't think it will be, but Belichick to NYG will be discussed a lot in 2024 if things go poorly. Link - ( New Window )
Anytime you can fire your current HC after his third season so you can hire a 73-year old replacement who will only stick around long enough to break the career wins record and shuffle off into retirement, you have to take it.
nobody will like this but belichek and dak in dal is what makes most
considering there is unlikely to be any other way for them to get a "big game QB", a big game coach seems like the next best thing to try to get over the hump.
russell wilson may be out there but if he's = or better than Dak i think PIT can tag him? and if he's not no reason for DAL to want him.
Mara has thought about bringing BB back after watching how he handled Garrett (and so many other situations) then I'd respectfully ask you level up for your own mental health
Anytime you can fire your current HC after his third season so you can hire a 73-year old replacement who will only stick around long enough to break the career wins record and shuffle off into retirement, you have to take it.
Dak is the move if the rest of the team is good and Daniel continues to be terrible. If that's the case, Daboll is in.
If we suck all around, Dak is not the move and we start over everywhere. Or we get a new coach to help Daniel.
Starting over everywhere isn’t a thing in the NFL. We have a bunch of young players, and some of them are already very good. If we stink in 2024 it’s very likely due to the QB. I don’t like or want Dak but he likely represents a multi win improvement over a healthy Jones.
Anytime you can fire your current HC after his third season so you can hire a 73-year old replacement who will only stick around long enough to break the career wins record and shuffle off into retirement, you have to take it.
Well said. I don't see the appeal of Belichick at this point, aside from nostalgia. If you sign Belichick, you're upending your coaching staff and guaranteeing to do it again in 2-3 years. He has a losing record when Brady is not his QB. The "Patriot Way" has been a disaster in everywhere outside of New England. And honestly, thinking of Josh McDaniels as our OC makes me want to hurl.
do you see any scenario where the Giants go 6-11 again and it’s not due to not scoring any points?
I'm saying a scenario where the OL continues to look bad, Nabers is good/not great, running game is bad, D is OK-ish. That's a bad, but not insane scenario. W/L record is fickle - that could be anywhere from 3 to 6 or 7 wins. I don't think we're signing Dak under those conditions
I'm going to zag on the BB takes...I think he's still a damn good HC. What killed Bill the HC was Bill the de facto GM. Under no circumstances do I want him having personnel control &-from what I've read-he's fine ceding that.
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
Anytime you can fire your current HC after his third season so you can hire a 73-year old replacement who will only stick around long enough to break the career wins record and shuffle off into retirement, you have to take it.
Nicely done.
The problem is this doesn't seem that far fetched.
Far fetched? If this season goes off the rails, Mara will be salivating to hire BB. The ? is whether there's other openings more attractive to BB & I'm looking @ a certain NFC team located in Texas. Or an NFC team located in Pennsylvania.
RE: nobody will like this but belichek and dak in dal is what makes most
considering there is unlikely to be any other way for them to get a "big game QB", a big game coach seems like the next best thing to try to get over the hump.
russell wilson may be out there but if he's = or better than Dak i think PIT can tag him? and if he's not no reason for DAL to want him.
I could see that, too - BB and Dak in Dallas.
Although if Dallas is smart, this is Dak's last year in Dallas unless he at least gets to the NFCG. We've seen his ceiling, and he keeps hitting his head on it.
talk about a QB who's had great wide receivers, offensive line play, tight ends, and very good running backs, and really good defenses to back him up. That guys has had some extremely favorable situations.
RE: RE: RE: Prescott is a mediocre qb playing on a good team, he is a lot like
I'm going to zag on the BB takes...I think he's still a damn good HC. What killed Bill the HC was Bill the de facto GM. Under no circumstances do I want him having personnel control &-from what I've read-he's fine ceding that.
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
a bunch of the media and then some former Giants pushing for BB if things go bad this season. I doubt Dak though.
Bill having a year off might be a good thing. Two biggest issues for me would be what his staff would be and the plan on offense. I think he would have the D near the top quickly.
This idea that he was exposed without Brady is moronic and disrespectful to such an accomplished coach. Especially from Giants fans considering his history here.
This idea that he was exposed without Brady is moronic and disrespectful to such an accomplished coach. Especially from Giants fans considering his history here.
Moronic? - he freakin crashed and burned the minute Brady left. He ruined the offense by not getting playmakers even before Brady left. So when Brady left he had nothing at all. Not at all saying he wasn't one of the greatest coaches of all time, perhaps the greatest defensive mind ever. But as of right now I wouldn't touch him to fix this team.
I'm going to zag on the BB takes...I think he's still a damn good HC. What killed Bill the HC was Bill the de facto GM. Under no circumstances do I want him having personnel control &-from what I've read-he's fine ceding that.
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
What an idiotic take. He didn't ruin anything. Players get old, retire, get seriously hurt, leave for more $$. While we have been taking picks at the top part of the draft for several years now, New England's pick in this draft was the first time they had been in the top 5 in 24 years. Their highest first round selection in that 24 year period was 15th. We can't build a team getting serial top 10 draft picks every year. Oh and forget trading for players- he got the Lombardi treatment. And yet somehow, they produced playoff team after playoff team every frigging year. You think that was an accident. Dumb.
You don't end up with two fistfuls of championship rings by accident or because of one player. Guys who bring rings figure it out because that's how they get the rings. I think it would be great if he came here. It's not happening because he wants control, (he had his own meddling owner to deal with who is about to find out what life is like trying to replace a guy who brings rings) and Mara will never give up the family "input."
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
What an idiotic take. He didn't ruin anything. Players get old, retire, get seriously hurt, leave for more $$. While we have been taking picks at the top part of the draft for several years now, New England's pick in this draft was the first time they had been in the top 5 in 24 years. Their highest first round selection in that 24 year period was 15th. We can't build a team getting serial top 10 draft picks every year. Oh and forget trading for players- he got the Lombardi treatment. And yet somehow, they produced playoff team after playoff team every frigging year. You think that was an accident. Dumb.
You don't end up with two fistfuls of championship rings by accident or because of one player. Guys who bring rings figure it out because that's how they get the rings. I think it would be great if he came here. It's not happening because he wants control, (he had his own meddling owner to deal with who is about to find out what life is like trying to replace a guy who brings rings) and Mara will never give up the family "input."
Belichick drove that team into the ground. Despite Brady taking "reduced salary" he never brought in weapons for him. You can stick your head in the ground and live on his past achievements, but BB was awful his last few years.
He will never relinquish control fully. He will want to run everything.
I know what he did a decade ago. Tremendous coach if not the greatest, that was then.
I always had the opinion that BB was more important to their long term success than Brady. I wavered a bit when Brady left and he took TB to the top and NE was treading water in a sea of mediocrity. However, it's all about the D
Trout plays a mean CF
Jordan was a lockdown defender
Brady, like all other offensive players had no input to defensive play or scheming. As much as BB is an arrogant crank-bomb he can coach D, so yes he past his prime but he has the hardware. I would prefer to keep Daboll unless the season is catastrophically bad.
To your point about D, see the 2001 SB and then again 2018 SB as a couple examples.
In addition to the good points Homer makes he also had to deal with a very high amount of turnover in his coaching and front office staffs for almost two decades.
He went to the playoffs in '21 and won 11 games the year Brady was injured.
Some bad drafts caught up with him. The OL was so reliable for almost two decades and that fell off which was a big part of the problem. Scharnecchia retiring didn't help.
Dak is the move if the rest of the team is good and Daniel continues to be terrible. If that's the case, Daboll is in.
If we suck all around, Dak is not the move and we start over everywhere. Or we get a new coach to help Daniel.
“Get a new coach to help Daniel”. You have to be fucking kidding me. Maybe it isn’t the coach, but the QB? And people call the “haters” delusional. Firing the HC and GM and rolling it back with Jones would be so on brand for this organization.
Does anyone really think Belichick would agree to be HC if he’s forced to endure a 7th season of Daniel Jones?
If we suck all around, Dak is not the move and we start over everywhere. Or we get a new coach to help Daniel.
considering there is unlikely to be any other way for them to get a "big game QB", a big game coach seems like the next best thing to try to get over the hump.
russell wilson may be out there but if he's = or better than Dak i think PIT can tag him? and if he's not no reason for DAL to want him.
Nicely done.
I agree 100%. Bad move IMO.
If we suck all around, Dak is not the move and we start over everywhere. Or we get a new coach to help Daniel.
Starting over everywhere isn’t a thing in the NFL. We have a bunch of young players, and some of them are already very good. If we stink in 2024 it’s very likely due to the QB. I don’t like or want Dak but he likely represents a multi win improvement over a healthy Jones.
Well said. I don't see the appeal of Belichick at this point, aside from nostalgia. If you sign Belichick, you're upending your coaching staff and guaranteeing to do it again in 2-3 years. He has a losing record when Brady is not his QB. The "Patriot Way" has been a disaster in everywhere outside of New England. And honestly, thinking of Josh McDaniels as our OC makes me want to hurl.
I'm saying a scenario where the OL continues to look bad, Nabers is good/not great, running game is bad, D is OK-ish. That's a bad, but not insane scenario. W/L record is fickle - that could be anywhere from 3 to 6 or 7 wins. I don't think we're signing Dak under those conditions
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
Nicely done.
The problem is this doesn't seem that far fetched.
At least with Belichick I believe this team would improve at the basics like blocking and tackling. That'd be a start.
considering there is unlikely to be any other way for them to get a "big game QB", a big game coach seems like the next best thing to try to get over the hump.
russell wilson may be out there but if he's = or better than Dak i think PIT can tag him? and if he's not no reason for DAL to want him.
I could see that, too - BB and Dak in Dallas.
Although if Dallas is smart, this is Dak's last year in Dallas unless he at least gets to the NFCG. We've seen his ceiling, and he keeps hitting his head on it.
Signing Dak doesn’t make any sense. Don’t see them making a huge FA splash at QB.
No one takes a thing you say seriously. You can go back to beating it to Jone’s underwhelming 2022 stats.
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Russell Wilson. If he played for the Giants he would be exposed and would be booed out of town!
No one takes a thing you say seriously. You can go back to beating it to Jone’s underwhelming 2022 stats.
Pretty sure he's just doing a bit at this point
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Russell Wilson. If he played for the Giants he would be exposed and would be booed out of town!
No one takes a thing you say seriously. You can go back to beating it to Jone’s underwhelming 2022 stats.
Pretty sure he's just doing a bit at this point
A bit usually implies something funny and/or interesting. This douche has yet to reach either criteria once.
The Giants desperately need an identity and BB would give them one. Vrabel would too but I don't know if he has the same appeal to Mara and Tisch.
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
The Giants desperately need an identity and BB would give them one. Vrabel would too but I don't know if he has the same appeal to Mara and Tisch.
No, he will not bring stability. He is a divisive individual.
Bill having a year off might be a good thing. Two biggest issues for me would be what his staff would be and the plan on offense. I think he would have the D near the top quickly.
This idea that he was exposed without Brady is moronic and disrespectful to such an accomplished coach. Especially from Giants fans considering his history here.
Your fairy tale stories about yourself provides plenty.
Your fairy tale stories about yourself provides plenty.
Don't be so sour little buddy. I'm just agreeing with you.
This idea that he was exposed without Brady is moronic and disrespectful to such an accomplished coach. Especially from Giants fans considering his history here.
Moronic? - he freakin crashed and burned the minute Brady left. He ruined the offense by not getting playmakers even before Brady left. So when Brady left he had nothing at all. Not at all saying he wasn't one of the greatest coaches of all time, perhaps the greatest defensive mind ever. But as of right now I wouldn't touch him to fix this team.
Belichick I cannot.
Team ahd their chance to get in on BB on the ground floor and they didn't.
Prescott will be too expensive. I think they're already deep scouting next year's QB class.
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I'm going to zag on the BB takes...I think he's still a damn good HC. What killed Bill the HC was Bill the de facto GM. Under no circumstances do I want him having personnel control &-from what I've read-he's fine ceding that.
& if we get off to a slow start, be prepared to be beaten to death with 'Is BB coming home to the Meadowlands?' takes.
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
You don't end up with two fistfuls of championship rings by accident or because of one player. Guys who bring rings figure it out because that's how they get the rings. I think it would be great if he came here. It's not happening because he wants control, (he had his own meddling owner to deal with who is about to find out what life is like trying to replace a guy who brings rings) and Mara will never give up the family "input."
He ruined a good team(his own) and was exposed after Brady left. He destroyed the offense by not getting WRs for Brady. I want no part of him under any circumstances.
What an idiotic take. He didn't ruin anything. Players get old, retire, get seriously hurt, leave for more $$. While we have been taking picks at the top part of the draft for several years now, New England's pick in this draft was the first time they had been in the top 5 in 24 years. Their highest first round selection in that 24 year period was 15th. We can't build a team getting serial top 10 draft picks every year. Oh and forget trading for players- he got the Lombardi treatment. And yet somehow, they produced playoff team after playoff team every frigging year. You think that was an accident. Dumb.
You don't end up with two fistfuls of championship rings by accident or because of one player. Guys who bring rings figure it out because that's how they get the rings. I think it would be great if he came here. It's not happening because he wants control, (he had his own meddling owner to deal with who is about to find out what life is like trying to replace a guy who brings rings) and Mara will never give up the family "input."
Belichick drove that team into the ground. Despite Brady taking "reduced salary" he never brought in weapons for him. You can stick your head in the ground and live on his past achievements, but BB was awful his last few years.
He will never relinquish control fully. He will want to run everything.
I know what he did a decade ago. Tremendous coach if not the greatest, that was then.
Trout plays a mean CF
Jordan was a lockdown defender
Brady, like all other offensive players had no input to defensive play or scheming. As much as BB is an arrogant crank-bomb he can coach D, so yes he past his prime but he has the hardware. I would prefer to keep Daboll unless the season is catastrophically bad.
In addition to the good points Homer makes he also had to deal with a very high amount of turnover in his coaching and front office staffs for almost two decades.
He went to the playoffs in '21 and won 11 games the year Brady was injured.
Some bad drafts caught up with him. The OL was so reliable for almost two decades and that fell off which was a big part of the problem. Scharnecchia retiring didn't help.
If we suck all around, Dak is not the move and we start over everywhere. Or we get a new coach to help Daniel.
“Get a new coach to help Daniel”. You have to be fucking kidding me. Maybe it isn’t the coach, but the QB? And people call the “haters” delusional. Firing the HC and GM and rolling it back with Jones would be so on brand for this organization.
Does anyone really think Belichick would agree to be HC if he’s forced to endure a 7th season of Daniel Jones?