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5 Reasons Media is Buzzing About Bo Nix After Broncos Rookie

ZogZerg : 5/15/2024 6:59 am
Minicamp.

Denver is a Buzz about Bo Nix!

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Here's what Denver Sports' Cecil Lammey wrote after Saturday's practice.

"Nix can throw deep with accuracy, and Broncos HC Sean Payton knows that. While I can’t tell you precisely how due to Broncos media policy, I do want to emphasize that on Saturday we did see evidence that Payton will have Nix on the attack – and Nix can make those throws! It was fun to see the Payton offense with Nix running the show, and it was thrilling to see how Payton was crafting ways for Nix to go deep," Lammey wrote.



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If Nix, Pennix, or JJM show that they are good starters in the next  
widmerseyebrow : 5/15/2024 12:51 pm : link
2-3 years, we should be cleaning house.

The FO has staked their ability of evaluating quarterbacks on this last draft. They say those three were not worth taking even though they are supposedly very interested in upgrading the position. Picks 8, 10, and 12 tells me that the "consensus value" was there and none of those picks would have been a humiliating reach from a PR standpoint. You could argue Daniel Jones at 6 was a bigger reach from a value standpoint considering many felt he was draftable at #17.

I don't care how good Nabers is: what NFL receiver are you taking to start your team over a top 10-15 starting QB?

It's the Giants FO vs the league. Do they know what the fuck they are doing? We're going to find out soon enough.
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Darwinian : 5/15/2024 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16515839 christian said:
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In comment 16515699 regischarlotte said:


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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.

Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.



As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.


I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.

I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.

If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.

And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter

RE: this  
charlito : 5/15/2024 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16515345 Eric from BBI said:
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board would have imploded had the Giants taken Nix over McCarthy and Penix.


Hell yeah with me being one of them.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/15/2024 2:09 pm : link
Honestly - if Penix, McCarthy, or Nix turn into franchise QBs - than the Giants officially earn any roast job they get after every positive article.
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gersh : 5/15/2024 3:21 pm : link
In comment 16515873 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16515839 christian said:


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In comment 16515699 regischarlotte said:


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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.

Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.



As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.



I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.

I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.

If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.

And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter

I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ

The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.

Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.

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gersh : 5/15/2024 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16515987 gersh said:
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In comment 16515873 Darwinian said:


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In comment 16515839 christian said:


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In comment 16515699 regischarlotte said:


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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.

Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.



As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.



I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.

I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.

If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.

And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter



I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ

The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.

Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.


Let me amend that
Nabers + DJ or another QB in 2025
This was a funny tweet about Penix  
Go Terps : 5/15/2024 3:29 pm : link
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Falcons WRs struggling to catch the ball - ( New Window )
The Bills traded out of picking Mahomes  
Sean : 5/15/2024 3:36 pm : link
No one discusses it because the Bills hit on Allen a year later. If JJ/Penix/Nix hit early (unlikely Penix since he won't play), Schoen has 2025 to land a QB. It's only an issue if Schoen doesn't land a QB.

Eric is right from the podcast before the draft, Schoen has 2024 or 2025 to land a QB in all likelihood.
RE: This was a funny tweet about Penix  
gersh : 5/15/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16515993 Go Terps said:
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. Falcons WRs struggling to catch the ball - ( New Window )


That is funny
I still think Penix was correctly QB3
His injury concerns are a big red flag though
If he did not have injury concerns. would he have been QB #2?
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gersh : 5/15/2024 3:41 pm : link
correction
He was QB #4
Where would he have been if no injury concerns?
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Darwinian : 5/15/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16515987 gersh said:
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In comment 16515873 Darwinian said:


I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ

The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.

Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.


This may very well be the thinking. There are other possibilities too, but yours is the likeliest. Elsewhere, I opined that JS and BD may have been warned by Mara that they will get one shot at a highly-drafted QB and unless they have love for the prospect, they shouldn't bother. And that's how you pass on a QB who you might think is better than Daniel Jones, but not good enough. Great being the enemy of good.
BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
DeVito32 : 5/15/2024 3:57 pm : link
Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.

And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.
RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
Go Terps : 5/15/2024 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.

And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.


Playing in NY means nothing. It's not 1958.

And BBI is "unbearable" the other way too. Victory laps are taken and comparisons made any time a QB on another team fails in some way.

The only sure way to make BBI "bearable" is for the Giants to stop being such a shitty football team. Start stringing together some winning seasons and get the standards back up. The current standards are absolutely pathetic.
RE: RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
JT039 : 5/15/2024 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16516043 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:


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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.

And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.



Playing in NY means nothing. It's not 1958.

And BBI is "unbearable" the other way too. Victory laps are taken


Like the one you took when you came back from your hiatus?
RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
JT039 : 5/15/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.

And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.


This is a great post.

It will fall on deaf ears because the people who need therapy on this site will drown it out.
 
christian : 5/15/2024 5:53 pm : link
I completely reject the idea there is a magical difference between playing in New York and elsewhere. The pressure to perform as the quarterback of an NFL team is immense no matter the team. It's a national game, with a national audience, and myriad press outlets and antagonists, no matter the team.
RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
widmerseyebrow : 5/15/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.


A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?

There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2024 6:47 pm : link
It is May 15.

That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.
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rsjem1979 : 5/15/2024 7:39 pm : link
In comment 16516107 christian said:
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I completely reject the idea there is a magical difference between playing in New York and elsewhere. The pressure to perform as the quarterback of an NFL team is immense no matter the team. It's a national game, with a national audience, and myriad press outlets and antagonists, no matter the team.


That’s because it’s complete nonsense, but I’m glad to see the usual suspects are already building excuses in case one (or more) of those three lights it up. “Doesn’t matter wouldn’t have done it in NY” is such a stupid take, people are still scarred by the Ed Whitsons of the world they think the NY spotlight can break someone.

The current Giants QB has an unimpressive resume and has had nothing but excuses made for him from ownership on down to a very team friendly media.
RE: RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
FStubbs : 5/15/2024 8:26 pm : link
In comment 16516138 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:


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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.



A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?

There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?


Let me argue the other side. I take the top 5 reciever.

Having the #15 QB in the league is QB "hell" and I'm not winning the Superbowl with him.
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christian : 5/15/2024 8:35 pm : link
Adjusting expectations because it's New York absolutely stinks of excuse making for Jones.
RE: RE: RE: BBI is going to be unbearable for the foreseeable future  
Darwinian : 5/15/2024 8:41 pm : link
In comment 16516226 FStubbs said:
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In comment 16516029 DeVito32 said:


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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.

People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.



A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?

There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?



Let me argue the other side. I take the top 5 reciever.

Having the #15 QB in the league is QB "hell" and I'm not winning the Superbowl with him.


Right. But any one (or 3) of those QBs, could become perennial top-10 guys. That's the point. And that's more valuable than anything Nabers can ever be, even if he becomes Justin Jefferson.
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bw in dc : 5/15/2024 9:31 pm : link
In comment 16516153 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It is May 15.

That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.


That's right.

Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.

Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.

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section125 : 5/15/2024 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16516265 bw in dc said:
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It is May 15.

That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.



That's right.

Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.

Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.


Oh, for chrissakes.....
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Mike in NY : 5/15/2024 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16516268 section125 said:
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It is May 15.

That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.



That's right.

Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.

Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.




Oh, for chrissakes.....


Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.
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rsjem1979 : 5/15/2024 9:53 pm : link
In comment 16516274 Mike in NY said:
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Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.


Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?

They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.
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Mike in NY : 5/15/2024 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16516279 rsjem1979 said:
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Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.



Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?

They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.


But you can’t assume that any of the other 3 QB’s will have the same performance in New York as they would have in their current cities because the Giants without Nabers were significantly behind the other 3 in terms of offensive skill positions.
 
christian : 5/15/2024 9:58 pm : link
There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
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rsjem1979 : 5/15/2024 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16516283 Mike in NY said:
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Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.



Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?

They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.



But you can’t assume that any of the other 3 QB’s will have the same performance in New York as they would have in their current cities because the Giants without Nabers were significantly behind the other 3 in terms of offensive skill positions.


You can make a direct QB to QB comparison. This isn’t about a hypothetical situation because that went out the window when the Giants hitched their wagon to Jones, again.

If Jones isn’t significantly better than 3 rookies making a fraction of what he is, there had better be some fucking answers.
 
christian : 5/15/2024 10:22 pm : link
The Broncos offensive supporting cast this year resembles the 2023 Giants. Except without Barkley. If Nix hits the ground running with that group, it will be very impressive.
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Darwinian : 5/15/2024 10:24 pm : link
In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.


Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
 
christian : 5/15/2024 10:32 pm : link
Slayton sets a very credible floor as a second pass catching option. There simply aren't many number two guys producing 700 yards on 80 targets.

Health permitting, Nabers should be be a 130 target, 1200 yards + player this year. He's going to be the focal point of the offense.

If Hyatt and Robinson don't progress at all, and Slayton is who he's been the last two years, the Giants have a strong receiving group.

If Hyatt and Robinson eclipse Slayton, the Giants have one of the best groups.
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Ira : 5/15/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.


Slayton was our most successful receiver last season - not Hyatt or Robinson. May Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson will be better, but they need to show that in games that count. I hope they do.
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bw in dc : 5/15/2024 10:40 pm : link
In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.


Here's the bottom line: if we truly have a franchise QB, there is more than enough at his disposal now to be that.

 
christian : 5/15/2024 10:44 pm : link
Of course there is. We regularly wonder out loud quietly at the DSFC, how Slayton would look with a real QB.
Woah  
Thegratefulhead : 5/16/2024 12:20 am : link
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They in shorts

For real?

Gotcha 1 reason

Media is trying to get clicks

That’s it.

Truth is no longer important.

Impressions
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Thegratefulhead : 5/16/2024 12:26 am : link
In comment 16516315 bw in dc said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Here's the bottom line: if we truly have a franchise QB, there is more than enough at his disposal now to be that.
I agree BW. They built this catered to his skills. If we don’t lose AT and the center week 1 this going to college football offense.

I know you watch a lot of this. We now have some of the most dominant WRs from the SEC on the roster from the last few years. Nabers/Hyatt and Robinson all balled against the best.

It is going to spread the field and these men are going to run wild. When it happens I will still advocate for drafting a QB. Jones is not great. He is going to excel at throwing short passes to these guys and it is going to open Giant running lanes for Jones.

We were sacked 20 more times than the worst teams in the NFL last year.
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gersh : 5/16/2024 1:21 pm : link
In comment 16516301 Darwinian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.


"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

Hmm - who were you before?
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gersh : 5/16/2024 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16516909 gersh said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.



"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

Hmm - who were you before?


I just looked it up

Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless
CJ Stroud  
gersh : 5/16/2024 1:30 pm : link
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It’s like half the people here forget there’s a draft next year.  
DeVito32 : 5/16/2024 3:40 pm : link
It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.

Everyone everywhere loves Nabers. One of the top WR prospects in the past few years everyone is saying.

So what if we get Ewers, Beck or whoever the top QBs next year and combine him with Nabers?

Everyone here is killing them and will continue to kill them any second one of the QBs have a good game. And they’ll somehow still go back to blame DJ. Some here are just so shortsighted. They just think because they didn’t take a QB means their married to DJ when they literally proved that they tried to replace him with Maye.

Again, they saw Nabers as an elite prospect. So let’s compare these 3 QBs to Nabers and the QB the Giants get next year.
RE: It’s like half the people here forget there’s a draft next year.  
rsjem1979 : 5/16/2024 3:46 pm : link
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It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.


Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.

If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?
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JT039 : 5/16/2024 4:14 pm : link
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.



"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

Hmm - who were you before?


Producer/Manhattan
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Darwinian : 5/16/2024 4:31 pm : link
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.



"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

Hmm - who were you before?



I just looked it up

Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless


You're being too literal.. I'll take 29 if we get 4100 yards, or 28. You're missing the point. he's got 62TDs in 60 starts. His production is pathetic, and instead of calling it what it is you're playing semantic games with me, which means, if we dig a little deeper you won't have a leg to stand on. Jones fails the stats test and the eye test. But you want to defend a $100M bonus baby who had probably the very worst season a player has ever had after signing a giant contract. Just admit you're in denial. And you have the temerity to bring Stroud up. Stroud had a better season as a rookie than Jones has ever had, by a wide margin. 4100 yards whereas Jones' career high is 3200. 8.2 Y/A whereas Jones' career high is 6.8.
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Beer Man : 5/16/2024 7:34 pm : link
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.



what is Producers' current handle?
I believe Producer's is currently posting under Modog
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JT039 : 5/16/2024 7:42 pm : link
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.



what is Producers' current handle?

I believe Producer's is currently posting under Modog


No hes darwaniasm. Maybe Modog too. Wouldn’t be shocking. But he’s definitely darwin
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gersh : 5/16/2024 10:58 pm : link
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.



Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.

I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.



"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

Hmm - who were you before?



I just looked it up

Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless



You're being too literal.. I'll take 29 if we get 4100 yards, or 28. You're missing the point. he's got 62TDs in 60 starts. His production is pathetic, and instead of calling it what it is you're playing semantic games with me, which means, if we dig a little deeper you won't have a leg to stand on. Jones fails the stats test and the eye test. But you want to defend a $100M bonus baby who had probably the very worst season a player has ever had after signing a giant contract. Just admit you're in denial. And you have the temerity to bring Stroud up. Stroud had a better season as a rookie than Jones has ever had, by a wide margin. 4100 yards whereas Jones' career high is 3200. 8.2 Y/A whereas Jones' career high is 6.8.


“Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."

I’m sorry for taking what you said as what you meant.
Did you mean disappointing rather than totally useless? Not great?

Just because you are setting ridiculous standards doesn’t mean that I’m defending DJ. I’m merely pointing out that you’re a smart idiot. You’re clearly smart but made an idiotic argument.

I’m hoping as much as anyone that we find DJ’s replacement by next season, but that doesn’t mean that he has to be a top 5 QB this year to justify anything.
He peaked at the right moment and got overpaid. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.




Mile High effect?  
Joey in VA : 5/16/2024 11:06 pm : link
Just like the Rockies?
RE: RE: It’s like half the people here forget there’s a draft next year.  
ChrisRick : 5/17/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16517155 rsjem1979 said:
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It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.



Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.

If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?


The possibility of a qb the Giants like being available in the 8-10 range is not unrealistic. Different draft, different players, different evaluations. If the Giants honestly decided that those other 3 qb's had a higher chance of not developing at the NFL level then I can't blame them for passing. So, the big question is why do you/we believe the Giants passed on those qb's, and how certain are we of our opinions?


RE: RE: It’s like half the people here forget there’s a draft next year.  
DeVito32 : 5/17/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16517155 rsjem1979 said:
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It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.



Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.

If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?


8 wins? You think they’re winning 8 games with this schedule with DJ or Lock at QB? Everyone here thinks DJ is so terrible that they will easily be in the top 10 again.

Also all the teams that desperately needed QBs took one this year outside of the Giants and Raiders. Maybe the Titans if they don’t believe in Levi’s this year. The Seahawks and Browns possibly but they will be much lower than us. So without many teams fighting over the QBs, the Giants should be able to move up. The top 3 teams this year weren’t budging no matter what. Next year should be easier to move up.

It still goes back to Schoen didn’t like the other QBs. Obviously he loved Nabers. Most people here are losing their minds over not getting a QB and think we’re just sticking with DJ long term. It’s simply not the case. They will draft a QB next year.
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