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Here's what Denver Sports' Cecil Lammey wrote after Saturday's practice. "Nix can throw deep with accuracy, and Broncos HC Sean Payton knows that. While I can’t tell you precisely how due to Broncos media policy, I do want to emphasize that on Saturday we did see evidence that Payton will have Nix on the attack – and Nix can make those throws! It was fun to see the Payton offense with Nix running the show, and it was thrilling to see how Payton was crafting ways for Nix to go deep," Lammey wrote. |
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A few of us wanted the Giants to trade back, or back up for Nix. Based on how the draft developed, I think the Giants could have arranged a trade with Minnesota for the 11th pick pretty easily.
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board would have imploded had the Giants taken Nix over McCarthy and Penix.
A few of us wanted the Giants to trade back, or back up for Nix. Based on how the draft developed, I think the Giants could have arranged a trade with Minnesota for the 11th pick pretty easily.
Nix is the guy I liked the best after Williams and Daniels - yes ahead of Maye whom I still scratch my head about.
But clearly, neither Daboll nor Schoen thought enough of him. I think he will do the best out of the gate of all this year's QBs. I think Payton sees a lot of Drew Brees there.
Nix at 6!!
I remember those threads and the reaction. BBI didn't want Nix, certainly not at 6, maybe in 2nd round. He was my favorite after the top 3.
I'm shocked at the excitement the Broncos beats have based on mini camp - getting feet wet. They must have really hated Russel Wilson.
Really? What other choice did they have? Those were literally the last 2 QBs left.
what is Producers' current handle?
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
Darwinism
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Really? What other choice did they have? Those were literally the last 2 QBs left.
They didn't have to pick QBs. If either team didn't think the QB available was the right investment to build their team around, they could have signed Tannehill for example as a bridge.
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Nix and Denver were tied together for a couple of months.
BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
Darwinism
Appropriate....
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Preferred choice has nothing to do with it. They deemed those players were the right cornerstones to build on.
Just like the Giants, no one was obligated to take a QB they didn't believe in. Either team could have gone the bridge route.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Preferred choice has nothing to do with it. They deemed those players were the right cornerstones to build on.
Just like the Giants, no one was obligated to take a QB they didn't believe in. Either team could have gone the bridge route.
Poor comparison to the Giants since neither team has a committment like we do (albeit the wrong one). Both were openly candid about their need for a new QB. Your acting like McCarthy and Nix were their preferred choices.
we dont know that for sure.
Hell Daniel Jones looked like one after one drive in preseason. We all know how that turned out.
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Great question.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Minnesota definitely takes a QB. We both know that. They already have 3 premiere pass catching options.
Denver also takes a QB because they have nothing committed to the position. If played on the franchise tag last year, I fully believe McCarthy would be our QB this year. But unfortunately, we signed Jones to a bad deal.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Nix was always linked to the Broncos. I think Minny wanted Maye and their fall back was McCarthy.
we dont know that for sure.
I'm not implying that at all. We have no idea what their preference was.
What we do know is the Giants, Broncos, and Vikings all had top 12 picks. The Giants determined McCarthy and Nix were not the right quarterbacks to build the future around. And the other two teams disagreed.
If they were right, and the Giants were wrong, that's bad for the Giants. No?
I didnt know - thanks.
I think a team with Jefferson and Addison was very unlikely to add Nabers.
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Your acting like McCarthy and Nix were their preferred choices.
we dont know that for sure.
I'm not implying that at all. We have no idea what their preference was.
What we do know is the Giants, Broncos, and Vikings all had top 12 picks. The Giants determined McCarthy and Nix were not the right quarterbacks to build the future around. And the other two teams disagreed.
If they were right, and the Giants were wrong, that's bad for the Giants. No?
Yes, very bad. I am still of the belief the Giants should have taken McCarthy 1 and a WR in the 2nd round.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
The Giants had a choice to pick Nix or McCarthy at 6, and they were ultimately picked at 10 and 12.
I think Payton and O'Connell are pretty damn good at this. So it gives me pause as a fan when they think someone is the answer and the Giants didn't.
It should have created more urgency. It didn't. And what's to say Bears wouldn't trade back? If you are as desperate for a QB as these teams were and see a guy you love, you don't sit back and wait. MN showed that urgency for Maye. Why not McCarthy? I mean, they had two first round picks to make a legit move.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
Good chance Penix wont. He may not even play. Nix should struggle. Tough decision. Not great weapons surrounding him.
And McCarthy may not eve nstart the year. He has to beat out Darnold.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
I am pretty certain Nix is going to do well with Payton and that is irrelevant.
I doubt Penix sees the field at all except for injury to Cousins and McCarthy not before mid-season.
But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
When I DGAF about something, I just ignore it and move on with my life.
Something perhaps for you to consider if a thread isn't interesting to you.
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But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
When I DGAF about something, I just ignore it and move on with my life.
Something perhaps for you to consider if a thread isn't interesting to you.
Wow, great reply.
What we do know is McCarthy and Nix were deemed top 12 picks.
My guess is two quarterback focused head coaches wouldn't bat a lash at picking a QB at 6, that they ultimately picked at 10 or 12.
Giants were at 4, and tried mightily to interest Miami in trading up to get ahead of LAC.
Dolphins had no interest, because they had Herbert and Tua rated roughly equally and were happy getting either one.
Point being Vikings could have really liked both JJM and Penix, but didn't see the need to expend capital until one of them went off the board.
Teams spend months assembling their draft boards. A competent front office would expect to be surprised by what other teams do; that’s why they put all that time, money and effort into their boards. Nobody is “thrown for a loop.” Even if they’re surprised. If they didn’t have time to react then they didn’t do their homework.
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I think when Atlanta took Penix - it threw a lot of teams for a loop and didnt have time to react. And Minny only had to move up 1 spot because there was no way the Bears were passing on Udonze.
Teams spend months assembling their draft boards. A competent front office would expect to be surprised by what other teams do; that’s why they put all that time, money and effort into their boards. Nobody is “thrown for a loop.” Even if they’re surprised. If they didn’t have time to react then they didn’t do their homework.
You mean when Philly jumped ahead of us for Devontae Smith? Or when Minnesota didnt draft a player in time?
It does happen. Not saying it should, but it does.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
This year?
This place will be filled with even more "I-told-you-sos" if any one of JJM, Penix or Nix EVER plays well