I miss the days when the only service I had to pay extra for was the Sunday Ticket. Now it's espn+/disney+, peacock, netflix. I'm sure paramount will nab some. They already started for college ball.
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• Peacock
• Amazon Prime
• Netflix
• ESPN+
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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
will have to pay one of the big channels to “produce” the game for them
Thats big money. Even if they’re not happy of losing a dessert game as part of their annual/block contract agreements, I’m sure NFL is legally covered and built themselves the capacity to do this.
RE: The lawyers for Fox/CBS looked to have dropped the ball here
NFL taking games from their package and selling to Netflix for a huge amount of cash would frustrate me if I were them.
The NFL isn’t stupid, they aren’t going to intentionally piss off broadcast partners. Xmas falls on a Wednesday, likely outside of either party’s contractual window. I’m sure Fox and CBS aren’t happy about it, but also understand there is little they can do about it.
There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
and every year people would bitch about how costly ST was. Well it's more expensive now and you have to pay for all these other services. I'm now 40, get off my lawn
Goodell does NOTHING other than what the NFL owners tell him to do. The puppet isn't the scumbag here, this was a decision by the NFL owners.
This isn't the 1960's-1970's. There are no more independent commissioners. There are only paid lawyers by the Leagues to do the teams bidding. FYI, if we had the Wellington/Tim Mara spat today, Goodell would never have stepped in and forced a solution on the Giants. He does not have the power Pete Rozelle had.
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• Peacock
• Amazon Prime
• Netflix
• ESPN+
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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
there is a silver lining for those who care- this is a precursor to games being available to stream by team, conference, division- specialty packages..
Overall, it is the times we live in. You complain about the NFL but they dominant the broadcast world sports wise (at least US wise anyway) and they know it. Besides, can't blame the NFL, they aren't taking cheap routes to do this, these streaming services are paying HUGE $$'s to get these rights.
Netflix is looking to compete against Prime and Max (and Peacock) by now getting some NFL games, WWE broadcasts and I would assume down the road possibly UFC stuff too.
For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice.
Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
ESPN+ - 10.99/M
OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost
For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.
Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
You mean they were losing money before he got there?
The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027.
Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.
Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
You mean they were losing money before he got there?
The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027.
Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.
Meh, I don't think Goodell needs to do much other than stick his finger in the air to see which direction the winds are blowing and stick his hand out to take the money.
He's got monopoly programming to sell at a time when there are multiple channels if you will all looking for unique programming in order to survive the brutal competition. If the NFL isn't making bank now, it never will.
Their mutual problem is the consumer. How much time, money and energy does the consumer want to spend shuffling among these different streaming services before the consumer says "this is too much time or money or effort and I am going to go do something else."
For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice.
Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
ESPN+ - 10.99/M
OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost
For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.
What is so hard to process?
How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know.
Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money.
10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game.
you're service suffers as a result. Now you aint getting Yankee games or Knicks / Rangers games unless you find the right sports streamer package that offers YES/MSG. And the streaming quality isn't nearly as good as cable TV quality.
So choose your poison. Except the only choice, if you want to watch the same sports content you have always watched for the last 30 years is to BUY MORE PACKAGES. PAY MORE.
now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there.
NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.
RE: RE: 10 years ago my cable and internet bill was $225
now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option.
In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.
forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there.
NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.
LOL, going from complaining to getting less than we used to to complaining about too much being a problem is... something.
RE: RE: RE: 10 years ago my cable and internet bill was $225
now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option.
In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.
Fine, there are still many cons to cutting the cord and going full stream. If you're a NYR, NYK and NYY fan it's all but off the table or basically costs the same or more and you're getting less.
To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives. I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports.
there are certainly cons, but most of them are negligible for the vast majority of people. It’s hit/miss for sports fans, that’ll get worked out in time.
Hopefully its better than Prime. Had some issues with it last year.
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really glad they are getting into the live event space
Hopefully its better than Prime. Had some issues with it last year.
Prime and Peacock both fine for me. Check your hardware, firmware, etc. either way it’s going to improve not degrade.
Prime and Peacock both fine for me. Check your hardware, firmware, etc. either way it’s going to improve not degrade.
Peacock has been very good for me though. Who knows. Maybe I am just imagining things at times.
Nope. Nothing nice about it.
Nope. The live stuff is included (currently)
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really glad they are getting into the live event space
Nope. Nothing nice about it.
You really sold me on the reasons why.
This.
I'm flabbergasted that this was even possible. Major fail.
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addition to the monthly fee?
Nope. The live stuff is included (currently)
There will be adds in those games, it isn't going to cost us extra.
Likely is that due the Christmas falling on different days of the week, they never had a contract for that day.
The next 3 years have Christmas on Wed, Thu, Fri
This wouldnt happen if people werent willing to pay for it
Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
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Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
You mean they were losing money before he got there?
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So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ...
• Peacock
• Amazon Prime
• Netflix
• ESPN+
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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
Thats big money. Even if they’re not happy of losing a dessert game as part of their annual/block contract agreements, I’m sure NFL is legally covered and built themselves the capacity to do this.
The NFL isn’t stupid, they aren’t going to intentionally piss off broadcast partners. Xmas falls on a Wednesday, likely outside of either party’s contractual window. I’m sure Fox and CBS aren’t happy about it, but also understand there is little they can do about it.
There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
and every year people would bitch about how costly ST was. Well it's more expensive now and you have to pay for all these other services. I'm now 40, get off my lawn
Goodell does NOTHING other than what the NFL owners tell him to do. The puppet isn't the scumbag here, this was a decision by the NFL owners.
This isn't the 1960's-1970's. There are no more independent commissioners. There are only paid lawyers by the Leagues to do the teams bidding. FYI, if we had the Wellington/Tim Mara spat today, Goodell would never have stepped in and forced a solution on the Giants. He does not have the power Pete Rozelle had.
You need to pay for these. The league may go bankrupt without it. And Goodell will say, it's for the fans' benefit.
No they didn’t. They didn’t bid on these games. The NFL kept these games for themselves to sell as a package.
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• Amazon Prime
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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.
Add in Youtube who streams Sunday Ticket.
Overall, it is the times we live in. You complain about the NFL but they dominant the broadcast world sports wise (at least US wise anyway) and they know it. Besides, can't blame the NFL, they aren't taking cheap routes to do this, these streaming services are paying HUGE $$'s to get these rights.
Netflix is looking to compete against Prime and Max (and Peacock) by now getting some NFL games, WWE broadcasts and I would assume down the road possibly UFC stuff too.
Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
ESPN+ - 10.99/M
OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost
For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.
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is a scumbag
Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
You mean they were losing money before he got there?
The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027.
Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.
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In comment 16515730 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 16515729 Mr. Nickels said:
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is a scumbag
Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.
You mean they were losing money before he got there?
The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027.
Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.
He's got monopoly programming to sell at a time when there are multiple channels if you will all looking for unique programming in order to survive the brutal competition. If the NFL isn't making bank now, it never will.
Their mutual problem is the consumer. How much time, money and energy does the consumer want to spend shuffling among these different streaming services before the consumer says "this is too much time or money or effort and I am going to go do something else."
Don't be silly. This just means you have MORE OPTIONS!
Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
ESPN+ - 10.99/M
OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost
For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.
What is so hard to process?
How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know.
Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money.
10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game.
It aint hard to figure out.
So choose your poison. Except the only choice, if you want to watch the same sports content you have always watched for the last 30 years is to BUY MORE PACKAGES. PAY MORE.
Don't even think it's any different than that.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.
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now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option.
In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.
NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.
LOL, going from complaining to getting less than we used to to complaining about too much being a problem is... something.
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now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.
You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.
No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option.
In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.
Fine, there are still many cons to cutting the cord and going full stream. If you're a NYR, NYK and NYY fan it's all but off the table or basically costs the same or more and you're getting less.
To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives. I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports.