Lead the Giants to their next championship. I also think Jones may get him fired prematurely. That’s why I dislike Jones and never want to see him start another game for us.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Sample size.
RE: How about some sympathy for the fans that have to watch him play?
It’s weird just dawned on me you really don’t ever see many takes that empathize with a suffering fan base. Once in a blue moon maybe but whenever focus is pointed at a fan base it’s usually just to mock them, especially in this day and age. Even last night’s NYR playoff clincher saw numerous pics or shots of young Carolina fans crying in their seats.
Being a fan isn’t easy when your team sucks. No one really cares. We are here to be used, abused and ridiculed.
I didn’t read the article but if banks used more than one sentence to detail this sympathetic crap he spent too much time and effort. Jones will be fine. We’re the ones that need help.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
It seems to be pretty much confirmed that Schoen made at least compulsory efforts to move up, but what he offered and how serious he was are open to debate. I hope we see some of it in the Hard Knocks segment, it could answer a lot of those questions.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
Plus I'm pretty sure Jones got enough credit for that win, in the form of almost $100M. He then rewarded us with the very worst season a starting QB has ever given a team after signing a mega contract, at least in my recollection.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
Basically every beat and national reporter disagrees with you
Let’s take it a step further
Schoen was scouting all of the top QB prospects in person last year
Then during the pre draft evaluation phase spent an TON of time and resources with literally all the top prospects except for Nix..between visits and personal workouts….
Do you think they literally went through all of this for no reason?
on a football level. Obviously not a financial level.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Have they played any other games besides that one?
I’ll let you go look it up. How many seasons does Jones have of 25 tds and 3500 yards? How about Cousins?
The sad thing is many teams probably don’t view Cousins as good enough. But if Jones had his stats, people here would be ready to induct him in the ring of honor. It’s how low the bar has fallen.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
and tiring. I completely agree with that. I am also a guy that thinks we should move on because of injury, but in the same breath I think DJ can be a good QB with a better OL and the weapons he has now. To listen to the toxic DJ hate is exhausting, but people can't help spewing the same crap over and over again.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
Every single year of his 8 year career that Cousins has started at least 15 games, he's had better numbers that Jones' BEST season.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
on a football level. Obviously not a financial level.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
You know Eric, most fans were irate over the Giants picking him 6th, and I believe when he started playing, those same fans were looking for every flaw they could find to justify their opinion. Of course, when things didn't go well, they were anxious to pile on. To the point that they disregarded the obvious major problems with the rest of the team. Some on this board, including myself, would cite the horrible OL play, when he would be hit almost at receiving the snap, the very mediocre (to be kind) WRs play. It was called excuses, (I call them facts) even though it was painfully obvious that he had no chance to make a play. Oh, he doesn't see the field well, he's afraid to go deep, goes to the safety valve to quickly, never considering the enormous pressure he was trying to make plays under. Then If he did get some time, couldn't find an open receiver. Yes, at times did he miss an open WR when he wasn't under pressure, sure, haven't we've seen that with all QBs? The most ridiculous position I believe is he is supposed to make all those around him better. This was a piss poor team, how do you make people better who stink, and you had problems protecting yourself? Not to mention the coaching changes and different systems. Let's remember, football is the ultimate TEAM sport. No one, don't care who you are, can do it alone. Then we get the, he's had 5 years. Yes, 5 years with the same shitty team. We also get, Taylor and Devito played better, but they had a healthier OL that were somewhat improved. Can DJ be an excellent QB? IMO, yes, but who knows. None of us are experts. We all give our opinions; I'm just saying let's be fair.
He has a major weapon now. If the line in average and not the second worst line in the last 40 years then I won’t feel sorry for him. Time to produce or I’m off the DJ wagon believe it or not.
Justin Pugh was the left tackle in the Buffalo game. Tyrod was better than every Jones start but one in that game.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Justin Pugh has played LT a lot before. In fact as much as people hate on Justin Pugh our OL played a million times better once he came in. People just love to bitch. Like they need somewhere to let go of their frustrations in life so they bitch about everything. Daniel Jones had by far the least amount of time to throw in the league last year. Much less than TT. People love to say making excuses when they want to fight against it something and here are the reasons when they want to fight for something. Excuses/Reasons... You seem like everything is an excuses kind of guy.
Fact is the best QB play last year in any game was done by DJ when he had time. Fact is he played before a worse line than TT. Fact is our only weapon was out in 3 of those starts. Fact is we had a LG playing LT for the first time in his career. Fact is he had the least amount of time to throw than any QB last year in the NFL. So reasons/excuses... probably somewhere in between.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
If you think you have a chance to draft a player you think we be a super star or take a QB you aren't sold on how can you draft a QB you don't think is very good. It isn't like we took a guy that some people liked and some didn't and he was equal to the remaining QBs. Nabers was considered by some as the best player in the draft!
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
And what happened after that game?
JFC. People constantly pull out this ridiculous, strawman argument all the time thinking it means something when, it means very little.
He threw 15 TD passes that year. 15. That’s terrible.
And you’re going to try to compare Jones to Cousins? Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever.
DJ had no chance of being successful last season after Thomas went down. Neal was a hot mess and it was like moving chairs at all the other spots in front of him. He was getting hit and sacked at an all time rate, it was that bad. I'm surprised he didn't get hurt earlier.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
Ahhh another excuses guy.
RE: I think Daboll is a talented coach who could conceivably
Lead the Giants to their next championship. I also think Jones may get him fired prematurely. That’s why I dislike Jones and never want to see him start another game for us.
This ^
RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
DJ had no chance of being successful last season after Thomas went down. Neal was a hot mess and it was like moving chairs at all the other spots in front of him. He was getting hit and sacked at an all time rate, it was that bad. I'm surprised he didn't get hurt earlier.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
Great post, you're so right!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Maybe the pros think more of DJ than the novices on this board..
that even before the big contract, even going back to the draft, that he was treated by some as a punchline. Whether or not he cuts a sympathetic figure is up to you, but there were absolutely some folks in the media and around the league who were never going to give him a fair shake, and there are some who seem to enjoy his struggles.
Now, trying to sell him as a sympathetic figure to the fans, at this point, is incredibly disengeuous. Banks is out here toeing the Company Line and firing off some rounds in the PR war, but the problem with that is the most sympathetic thing about Daniel Jones is that the Company was out there slutting it up all winter and spring with every Tom, Dick, and JJ that could toss a football. He doesnt appear terribly wanted and ery'body knows it.
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For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Sample size.
It’s weird just dawned on me you really don’t ever see many takes that empathize with a suffering fan base. Once in a blue moon maybe but whenever focus is pointed at a fan base it’s usually just to mock them, especially in this day and age. Even last night’s NYR playoff clincher saw numerous pics or shots of young Carolina fans crying in their seats.
Being a fan isn’t easy when your team sucks. No one really cares. We are here to be used, abused and ridiculed.
I didn’t read the article but if banks used more than one sentence to detail this sympathetic crap he spent too much time and effort. Jones will be fine. We’re the ones that need help.
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For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
It seems to be pretty much confirmed that Schoen made at least compulsory efforts to move up, but what he offered and how serious he was are open to debate. I hope we see some of it in the Hard Knocks segment, it could answer a lot of those questions.
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If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers everyone would consider him a franchise QB.
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For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
Plus I'm pretty sure Jones got enough credit for that win, in the form of almost $100M. He then rewarded us with the very worst season a starting QB has ever given a team after signing a mega contract, at least in my recollection.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
Basically every beat and national reporter disagrees with you
Let’s take it a step further
Schoen was scouting all of the top QB prospects in person last year
Then during the pre draft evaluation phase spent an TON of time and resources with literally all the top prospects except for Nix..between visits and personal workouts….
Do you think they literally went through all of this for no reason?
Come on now
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
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For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Have they played any other games besides that one?
I’ll let you go look it up. How many seasons does Jones have of 25 tds and 3500 yards? How about Cousins?
The sad thing is many teams probably don’t view Cousins as good enough. But if Jones had his stats, people here would be ready to induct him in the ring of honor. It’s how low the bar has fallen.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
THIS!
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Player CP/ATT YDS TD INT
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
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Player CP/ATT YDS TD INT
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
Every single year of his 8 year career that Cousins has started at least 15 games, he's had better numbers that Jones' BEST season.
Stop with the excuses.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Maybe 1 year for 10 on a prove it. Cousins got 4/180. And he's 35 coming off an injury.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
David Carr would like a word…
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
You know Eric, most fans were irate over the Giants picking him 6th, and I believe when he started playing, those same fans were looking for every flaw they could find to justify their opinion. Of course, when things didn't go well, they were anxious to pile on. To the point that they disregarded the obvious major problems with the rest of the team. Some on this board, including myself, would cite the horrible OL play, when he would be hit almost at receiving the snap, the very mediocre (to be kind) WRs play. It was called excuses, (I call them facts) even though it was painfully obvious that he had no chance to make a play. Oh, he doesn't see the field well, he's afraid to go deep, goes to the safety valve to quickly, never considering the enormous pressure he was trying to make plays under. Then If he did get some time, couldn't find an open receiver. Yes, at times did he miss an open WR when he wasn't under pressure, sure, haven't we've seen that with all QBs? The most ridiculous position I believe is he is supposed to make all those around him better. This was a piss poor team, how do you make people better who stink, and you had problems protecting yourself? Not to mention the coaching changes and different systems. Let's remember, football is the ultimate TEAM sport. No one, don't care who you are, can do it alone. Then we get the, he's had 5 years. Yes, 5 years with the same shitty team. We also get, Taylor and Devito played better, but they had a healthier OL that were somewhat improved. Can DJ be an excellent QB? IMO, yes, but who knows. None of us are experts. We all give our opinions; I'm just saying let's be fair.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Justin Pugh has played LT a lot before. In fact as much as people hate on Justin Pugh our OL played a million times better once he came in. People just love to bitch. Like they need somewhere to let go of their frustrations in life so they bitch about everything. Daniel Jones had by far the least amount of time to throw in the league last year. Much less than TT. People love to say making excuses when they want to fight against it something and here are the reasons when they want to fight for something. Excuses/Reasons... You seem like everything is an excuses kind of guy.
Fact is the best QB play last year in any game was done by DJ when he had time. Fact is he played before a worse line than TT. Fact is our only weapon was out in 3 of those starts. Fact is we had a LG playing LT for the first time in his career. Fact is he had the least amount of time to throw than any QB last year in the NFL. So reasons/excuses... probably somewhere in between.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
If you think you have a chance to draft a player you think we be a super star or take a QB you aren't sold on how can you draft a QB you don't think is very good. It isn't like we took a guy that some people liked and some didn't and he was equal to the remaining QBs. Nabers was considered by some as the best player in the draft!
going to guess no one.
I certainly have apathetic feelings about him.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
And what happened after that game?
JFC. People constantly pull out this ridiculous, strawman argument all the time thinking it means something when, it means very little.
He threw 15 TD passes that year. 15. That’s terrible.
And you’re going to try to compare Jones to Cousins? Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
Ahhh another excuses guy.
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In comment 16518037 Shirk130 said:
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
I hope Nabers is as good as advertised, the OL holds up, and Jones balls out this year.
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In comment 16518037 Shirk130 said:
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Can you imagine the first time Jones misses a WR deep.
So making money makes you immune to getting pounder by idiots 24/7?
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
Great post, you're so right!!
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Maybe the pros think more of DJ than the novices on this board..
Now, trying to sell him as a sympathetic figure to the fans, at this point, is incredibly disengeuous. Banks is out here toeing the Company Line and firing off some rounds in the PR war, but the problem with that is the most sympathetic thing about Daniel Jones is that the Company was out there slutting it up all winter and spring with every Tom, Dick, and JJ that could toss a football. He doesnt appear terribly wanted and ery'body knows it.