It is pretty startling. Even the 1980s were not as successful as perceived.
Yes. The Giants are somewhat of a strange franchise in this regard. They are either at the top and win it all, or they are really, really bad. There is very little middle-ground with this franchise for some reason.
But, the super bowls have created something to fall back on for ownership. The bottom line is, this franchise does not string together successful, sustained success consistently. And that is 100% fair to say even with the super bowls.
Think about this. The NFC East hasn't had a repeat division winner since 2004. Yet, the Giants haven't won a division since 2011. And they went 9-7 during that division title. That's really bad.
But, the super bowls have created something to fall back on for ownership. The bottom line is, this franchise does not string together successful, sustained success consistently. And that is 100% fair to say even with the super bowls.
Think about this. The NFC East hasn't had a repeat division winner since 2004. Yet, the Giants haven't won a division since 2011. And they went 9-7 during that division title. That's really bad.
The super bowls have created something to fall back on? Come on. They won a Super Bowl in every decade since the 80s. That is a legitimate accomplishment, not some silly stat they get to call on.
Division titles are great, but far less important since the introduction of wild cards. The last 10 years have been pretty miserable but using it to color the previous 30 is silly.
for over a decade the Giants have been dealing with the destruction of the LoS.
Look at how many PB/AP seasons on the OL/DL in the division starting in 2012. Staggering how bad the Giants have been compared to the other teams (Philly and Dallas especially). Ten years between Snee '12 and AT '22.
Horrible front office for over a decade did a lot of damage.
I doubt any fan would ever trade a Super Bowl title for multiple division titles.
Sure everyone wants them to do better season to season but there a countless players and fans of other teams that wished their teams had won more or even one championship. The bottom line is each season the goal is to win a championship and should be valued much more than seasonal wins and no amount of lamenting poor seasons will ever change that.
In the 80's we forget we had three seasons of 4 wins or less and one more with 6.. 1 SB Win
90-99 we actually had 7 seasons of 7 or more wins. No season less than 5 wins. 1 SB Win
2000-2009 we 88 wins with 5 seasons of double digit wins and two SB appearances with 1 SB win.
2010-2019 we had things come off the rails. 70 wins in the decade with 5 seasons of 6 or less wins.. 1 SB win
2020- 2023 we are still in this weird realm of can't get out of our own way with 25 wins over first 4 seasons.. Interesting note, we have 5 more wins through first 4 years of this decade than first 4 of 1980's.. * 82 season only had 9 games but still..
Cowboys: 5
Eagles: 4
Washington: 3
Giants: 0
Cowboys: 5
Eagles: 4
Washington: 3
Giants: 0
Ugly...
Eagles - 12
Washington - 9
Giants - 8
Basement dwellers even since 1970.
Eagles - 12
Washington - 9
Giants - 8
Basement dwellers even since 1970.
Now do Super Bowl wins.
It is pretty startling. Even the 1980s were not as successful as perceived.
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It is pretty startling. Even the 1980s were not as successful as perceived.
Yes. The Giants are somewhat of a strange franchise in this regard. They are either at the top and win it all, or they are really, really bad. There is very little middle-ground with this franchise for some reason.
Think about this. The NFC East hasn't had a repeat division winner since 2004. Yet, the Giants haven't won a division since 2011. And they went 9-7 during that division title. That's really bad.
Think about this. The NFC East hasn't had a repeat division winner since 2004. Yet, the Giants haven't won a division since 2011. And they went 9-7 during that division title. That's really bad.
The super bowls have created something to fall back on? Come on. They won a Super Bowl in every decade since the 80s. That is a legitimate accomplishment, not some silly stat they get to call on.
Division titles are great, but far less important since the introduction of wild cards. The last 10 years have been pretty miserable but using it to color the previous 30 is silly.
Look at how many PB/AP seasons on the OL/DL in the division starting in 2012. Staggering how bad the Giants have been compared to the other teams (Philly and Dallas especially). Ten years between Snee '12 and AT '22.
Horrible front office for over a decade did a lot of damage.
Sure everyone wants them to do better season to season but there a countless players and fans of other teams that wished their teams had won more or even one championship. The bottom line is each season the goal is to win a championship and should be valued much more than seasonal wins and no amount of lamenting poor seasons will ever change that.
I am confident things are going to turn and get better...I know we still need a QB....but the roster and the depth behind it is improving....
What I want to see this year is improvement on the OL as when the Giants turn the corner that is where it is going to start.
The defense is improving. You win in the trenches and I think Schoen recognizes that.
In the 80's we forget we had three seasons of 4 wins or less and one more with 6.. 1 SB Win
90-99 we actually had 7 seasons of 7 or more wins. No season less than 5 wins. 1 SB Win
2000-2009 we 88 wins with 5 seasons of double digit wins and two SB appearances with 1 SB win.
2010-2019 we had things come off the rails. 70 wins in the decade with 5 seasons of 6 or less wins.. 1 SB win
2020- 2023 we are still in this weird realm of can't get out of our own way with 25 wins over first 4 seasons.. Interesting note, we have 5 more wins through first 4 years of this decade than first 4 of 1980's.. * 82 season only had 9 games but still..
Eagles - 12
Washington - 9
Giants - 8
Basement dwellers even since 1970.
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Cowboys - 22
Eagles - 12
Washington - 9
Giants - 8
Basement dwellers even since 1970.
Wait, didn't they play in 4 SB's since 1970 wining 3?
Dude, are you even a Giants fan or solely a Jones fan? We've played in 5 Super Bowls & have won 4. For you not to know that is pretty embarrasing.
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Cowboys - 22
Eagles - 12
Washington - 9
Giants - 8
Basement dwellers even since 1970.
Now do Super Bowl wins.
This thread is about division championships. Let’s stay on topic here. In that regard we are the worst.