It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts.
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
It isn’t just magic dust Manny. It’s Thomas and Runyon and JMS and Eluemunor and Neal and maybe others as well.
Soemone said the other day (maybe it was me) that lots of things in life and by extension are possible, but only afew things are likely. what are the actual odds that Jones morphs into a franchise NFL passer with a better OL and a couple of weapons. Probably not that great, but they are there. However the other part of the equation is that the odds that a QB taken with the 6th pick, be it Penix or McCarthy, being all that much better than Jones also aren't that great. And it may very well be that Schoen and Daboll put on their poker playing hats and came to the conclusion that Jones, a guy they feel at least has the tools to be a good NFL QB given a decent team around him, are actually better than the odds of a young QB coming and being the next Josh Allen. In fact one of the things that has kind of frustrated me about the whole anybody but Jones crusade is that almost none of the crusaders have kind of glossed over what comes next.
Soemone said the other day (maybe it was me) that lots of things in life and by extension are possible, but only afew things are likely. what are the actual odds that Jones morphs into a franchise NFL passer with a better OL and a couple of weapons. Probably not that great, but they are there. However the other part of the equation is that the odds that a QB taken with the 6th pick, be it Penix or McCarthy, being all that much better than Jones also aren't that great. And it may very well be that Schoen and Daboll put on their poker playing hats and came to the conclusion that Jones, a guy they feel at least has the tools to be a good NFL QB given a decent team around him, are actually better than the odds of a young QB coming and being the next Josh Allen. In fact one of the things that has kind of frustrated me about the whole anybody but Jones crusade is that almost none of the crusaders have kind of glossed over what comes next.
All the QBs you mention, Penix, McCarthy, and Nix have higher upside than Jones. They may not reach it, but championship QB is still a possible outcome with them. For Jones, championship QB is now close to zero. As upside plays, Penix, Nix, JJM are far beyond Jones.
He now has to play without the threat of Barkley AND he's coming off an ACL so forget the running threat. He has to stand back there and beat teams with his ability to read the defense, and make the throw on time and to the right spot.
Has he at ANY TIME in his 5 years here shown the ability to do that for even 5 minutes??
The answer is no, so I believe he has NO shot. That's why he needs to be replaced. Lock on the other hand, has! Which is why, despite his inconsistency, HE should be the starting QB.
There isn't another Josh Allen in the NFL (not even Mahomes can carry a team on his shoulders, the way Allen does).
On offense, the other player who is key to restoring respectability is Theo Johnson, if can team with Daniel Bellinger well, I think we can have a very good one-two punch.
And not for Jones is to average 22 PPG this season. They would have been middle of the road last year and it would truly show progress towards establish a credible team.
Dependent on the OL at least being somewhat average
His penchant for locking into his first read might be offset by the fact that his first read will likely be open most of the time if he's as advertised.
how he comes out playing at a high level because it would require him to turn his biggest deficit into an asset (processing/seeing the field). If he's able to start the season it will almost assuredly be without the full use of his wheels, which was his biggest weapon. That's a tough ask.
Saying he's never had a good game? His first game vs TB was a good game, the playoffs vs the Vikings, the playoff clincher vs the Colts, there are more BAD examples, I won't argue that but it's just hyperbole to say he's never had a good game. Hate him all you want, but don't omit things because they don't fit your narrative.
Do I think he surprises us and goes lights out? No, no I don't but playing devil's advocate, it IS year 3 under Daboll and we have a bona fide potential #1 WR since Odell left.
if one of Kayvon Thibodeaux's cigarettes gets thrown into the trash prior to being properly extinguished and the locker room sprinkler system malfunctions.
christian, I think Jones is a backup QB in this league. With the possible exception of Terps, no one is as out on Jones as me, but I think he's a serviceable #2 QB. Whenever his Giants tenure ends-I hope it is after '24-he'll be picked up somewhere.
christian, I think Jones is a backup QB in this league. With the possible exception of Terps, no one is as out on Jones as me, but I think he's a serviceable #2 QB. Whenever his Giants tenure ends-I hope it is after '24-he'll be picked up somewhere.
I think I'm number two behind Terps on the "Launch Jones to the moon" train lol
Jones isn’t only the worst QB to play the game. He’s literally worse than every backup he’s ever had, including Eli Manning. Jones wouldn’t know fire even if his best good friend was Prometheus.
christian, I think Jones is a backup QB in this league. With the possible exception of Terps, no one is as out on Jones as me, but I think he's a serviceable #2 QB. Whenever his Giants tenure ends-I hope it is after '24-he'll be picked up somewhere.
I think I'm number two behind Terps on the "Launch Jones to the moon" train lol
Jones isn't the problem. He's just the most obvious symptom since Gettleman left.
This season should be like that great scene in Full Metal Jacket; every time Jones has a Private Pyle fuck up Mara and Schoen should be the guys doing the pushups.
I am rooting for him to play well and well enough for the Giants to make the playoffs.
I am disappointed that some fans dislike Jones so much that they are rooting against him. I am not certain why there is so much disdain for Jones. I believe that some fans need a scapegoat.
Some would rather the Giants lose and Jones play poorly.
They will tell you it is fools gold, and that Jones is an awful QB and that the Giants can't win with him.
That may be, but he is the Giants QB and the best hope to win games.
His play has been part of the problem, but there is plenty of blame to go around. I want the Giants to win and that will not happen unless Jones plays well.
The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
RE: If he can just be the better version of himself
The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
This. The league adjusted to what the Giants were doing and forced DJ to beat them another way, which so far has failed. We'll see what happens this year.
if you believe DJs main problem was an absolutely atrocious support system around him then yeah it's certainly possible.
Why not? He's a likable kid and is extremely motivated to be a good QB. The high level play for the moments we have seen over his career has also been a pretty high level too. I'll be rooting for him to succeed.
RE: RE: If he can just be the better version of himself
The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
Yep, the Giants actually tried to play differently in 2023. They even told Barkley to lose some weight because he'd be catching more passes and not running into the interior line as much. It didn't work at all, so Daboll went back to just jamming Barkley up the guy again in an effort to win games. Blame Jones, the WRs, the OL, whatever, but this is what happened.
that he plays better than he did last season .. cmon . Just a comment about some Giant fans -a minority , yes, but substantial -that roots against Jones to validate their negative opinions about him. And when he was playing well , they disappeared like the morning mist . That group actually roots for the Giants to lose . That’s sick .
but he could certainly be successful. I know both Papa and Banks are paid by the Giants, but I think they provide a real good assessment of things, especially DJ. I thought it was a good listen. Link - ( New Window )
that he plays better than he did last season .. cmon . Just a comment about some Giant fans -a minority , yes, but substantial -that roots against Jones to validate their negative opinions about him. And when he was playing well , they disappeared like the morning mist . That group actually roots for the Giants to lose . That’s sick .
Death and taxes are the only inevitabilities. Your point may be true, but I also think a lot of us haven't seen enough performance from DJ to justify the cost or faith. To me the injury history alone means we should have the successor already in place, and in that respect the FO has failed. It was possible in past years to win a SB with a mediocre QB (Dilfer, McMahon, even Hoss), but you need another stellar unit, like an '85 Bears or '00 Ravens caliber defense to do it and the current QB salaries relative to the cap and the rules helping the passing game make that a lot harder to do.
but his history is his history. Even in his "career" year in 2022, his passing numbers were virtually the same as the previous 3 or 4 years. And that has been with a multitude of receivers, o-linemen, a premier running back etc etc etc.
To think Nabers is coming in here and going to save Jones' career is magical thinking. Nabers will need to be ready for running free in the secondary but Jones doesn't see him, balls thrown over his head, at his feet and behind him, and getting whacked by lb's and safeties on slants because that is the only pattern Jones can consistently throw. I do not expect Nabers to have a Beckham year because Nabers does not have a HOF throwing to him. We are hooking a Ferrari to a plowhorse.
I have no doubt that Jones will be better than last year as it couldn't get much worse without being a total embarrassment to the yo-yos in the FO and will have a good game here or there. The Jones backers in the FO and on this site will see the fulfillment of their hopes and dreams in another thoroughly mediocre year and want to run it back again next year.
it's just that the evidence to date points to it being a very slim chance.
I guess a guy can dream in the off season, because when the regular season comes reality will hit (and when I say hit - I mean smack) ....
and it's hard being a fan to accept that the upcoming season will suck before it actually happens, as that is so frikken boring ...
but a lot will have to happen that really hasn't happened in the past for Jones to come "out just on fire"...
to Joey's point ... I don't think you can point to any game other than his first Tampa game, and maybe the Minnesota playoff game, to illustrate Jones coming out just on fire...
ordinarily Jones comes out with the rest of the team and sleepwalks through the first quarter ... and that's just not my definition of coming out "just on fire"
even the 2022 season in context they were winning cliff hangers, pulling games out in the end most of the season. I mean it was fun but it wasn't like they were on fire
but he could certainly be successful. I know both Papa and Banks are paid by the Giants, but I think they provide a real good assessment of things, especially DJ. I thought it was a good listen. Link - ( New Window )
This was a good listen. I know many will say here we go again two guys paid by the Giants yada yada yada. But we all have doubts but I'm hopefull.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts.
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
Only bad games he had then were vs Philly and Detroit.
Barkley ran a lot vs Houston but they could only score when Jones was passing.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
It isn’t just magic dust Manny. It’s Thomas and Runyon and JMS and Eluemunor and Neal and maybe others as well.
All the QBs you mention, Penix, McCarthy, and Nix have higher upside than Jones. They may not reach it, but championship QB is still a possible outcome with them. For Jones, championship QB is now close to zero. As upside plays, Penix, Nix, JJM are far beyond Jones.
Has he at ANY TIME in his 5 years here shown the ability to do that for even 5 minutes??
The answer is no, so I believe he has NO shot. That's why he needs to be replaced. Lock on the other hand, has! Which is why, despite his inconsistency, HE should be the starting QB.
There isn't another Josh Allen in the NFL (not even Mahomes can carry a team on his shoulders, the way Allen does).
On offense, the other player who is key to restoring respectability is Theo Johnson, if can team with Daniel Bellinger well, I think we can have a very good one-two punch.
there is no reason Jones can't be successful.
Likely? That's a different story.
But he's got guys who can take a 10-yard slant and turn it into an 80-yard TD now.
If he gets a little bit comfortable with that OL -comeback player of the year -playoffs
I mean, he's more than 50% of the way through being in the league for a DECADE; and we're still asking questions about the guy.
That says it all.
Real weapons WR, WR, WR, TE, RB RB and imo a vast improved NFL OL -praise St. Carmine AND Daballs and Kafka knowing what to do with them.
He did take us to the playoffs with a sub optimal cast
And 7 in his college career
So in 96 starts, its happened 14 times
Ok - that was good. I laughed out on that one.
His penchant for locking into his first read might be offset by the fact that his first read will likely be open most of the time if he's as advertised.
Do I think he surprises us and goes lights out? No, no I don't but playing devil's advocate, it IS year 3 under Daboll and we have a bona fide potential #1 WR since Odell left.
If he's a legitimate good starting quarterback, he's been plagued with a comical amount of misfortunes that have buried his true potential.
If he's the journeyman, fringe starter I believe he is, the plausible deniability has earned him 100M.
I think I'm number two behind Terps on the "Launch Jones to the moon" train lol
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christian, I think Jones is a backup QB in this league. With the possible exception of Terps, no one is as out on Jones as me, but I think he's a serviceable #2 QB. Whenever his Giants tenure ends-I hope it is after '24-he'll be picked up somewhere.
I think I'm number two behind Terps on the "Launch Jones to the moon" train lol
Jones isn't the problem. He's just the most obvious symptom since Gettleman left.
This season should be like that great scene in Full Metal Jacket; every time Jones has a Private Pyle fuck up Mara and Schoen should be the guys doing the pushups.
The only way he comes out on fire is wearing one of these.
I am rooting for him to play well and well enough for the Giants to make the playoffs.
I am disappointed that some fans dislike Jones so much that they are rooting against him. I am not certain why there is so much disdain for Jones. I believe that some fans need a scapegoat.
Some would rather the Giants lose and Jones play poorly.
They will tell you it is fools gold, and that Jones is an awful QB and that the Giants can't win with him.
That may be, but he is the Giants QB and the best hope to win games.
His play has been part of the problem, but there is plenty of blame to go around. I want the Giants to win and that will not happen unless Jones plays well.
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
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The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
This. The league adjusted to what the Giants were doing and forced DJ to beat them another way, which so far has failed. We'll see what happens this year.
Why not? He's a likable kid and is extremely motivated to be a good QB. The high level play for the moments we have seen over his career has also been a pretty high level too. I'll be rooting for him to succeed.
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The guy from 2022, where he was throwing to Slayton, Marcus Johnson, Lawrence Cager, Golladay, Isaiah Hodgins, Richie James and David Sills -- and the OL was even worse than those receivers . . .
That 2022 level of play from Jones would look pretty good behind a hopefully shored-up OL, throwing to Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton and whoever.
Doesn't mean he's the long-term answer, but that level of play -- with better pieces around him -- would look better now than it did 2022, and it looked pretty good then.
What the haters don't acknowledge is that the best possible scenario for the Giants would be for Jones to become the franchise QB they hoped they were drafting.
I think the odds are stacked against that now, for a lot of reasons, but when the Giants gave him the big contract, there were no better, available QB options than Jones at that moment. And there still aren't.
Drake Maye -- was fine to try, but he clearly wasn't a guy they wanted at ANY cost. If they though McCarthy would have been an upgrade, they could have taken him. They didn't.
If Jones flames out this year, they're looking at cast-offs like Prescott, or back to the draft where it's boom or bust, whether he falls in your lap, or you have to give up the farm to move up.
The best possible outcome is that the guy getting $40M to play, plays like a $40M QB.
I'd LOVE to see that.
It IS still possible, but I understand why no one including me is betting on that.
What you are leaving out of your analysis is that Daboll doesn't want to play 2022 football. He wants to play 2023 football. He knows he can't get away with 2022 football anymore and win games consistently in the NFL. Teams know how to defend the 2022 Giants. What happened in the back half of 2022? The Giants went 3-6-1. Every decent defense beat them. Jones could only excel versus teams who couldn't, or wouldn't, play defense.
Yep, the Giants actually tried to play differently in 2023. They even told Barkley to lose some weight because he'd be catching more passes and not running into the interior line as much. It didn't work at all, so Daboll went back to just jamming Barkley up the guy again in an effort to win games. Blame Jones, the WRs, the OL, whatever, but this is what happened.
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Death and taxes are the only inevitabilities. Your point may be true, but I also think a lot of us haven't seen enough performance from DJ to justify the cost or faith. To me the injury history alone means we should have the successor already in place, and in that respect the FO has failed. It was possible in past years to win a SB with a mediocre QB (Dilfer, McMahon, even Hoss), but you need another stellar unit, like an '85 Bears or '00 Ravens caliber defense to do it and the current QB salaries relative to the cap and the rules helping the passing game make that a lot harder to do.
To think Nabers is coming in here and going to save Jones' career is magical thinking. Nabers will need to be ready for running free in the secondary but Jones doesn't see him, balls thrown over his head, at his feet and behind him, and getting whacked by lb's and safeties on slants because that is the only pattern Jones can consistently throw. I do not expect Nabers to have a Beckham year because Nabers does not have a HOF throwing to him. We are hooking a Ferrari to a plowhorse.
I have no doubt that Jones will be better than last year as it couldn't get much worse without being a total embarrassment to the yo-yos in the FO and will have a good game here or there. The Jones backers in the FO and on this site will see the fulfillment of their hopes and dreams in another thoroughly mediocre year and want to run it back again next year.
I guess a guy can dream in the off season, because when the regular season comes reality will hit (and when I say hit - I mean smack) ....
and it's hard being a fan to accept that the upcoming season will suck before it actually happens, as that is so frikken boring ...
but a lot will have to happen that really hasn't happened in the past for Jones to come "out just on fire"...
to Joey's point ... I don't think you can point to any game other than his first Tampa game, and maybe the Minnesota playoff game, to illustrate Jones coming out just on fire...
ordinarily Jones comes out with the rest of the team and sleepwalks through the first quarter ... and that's just not my definition of coming out "just on fire"
even the 2022 season in context they were winning cliff hangers, pulling games out in the end most of the season. I mean it was fun but it wasn't like they were on fire
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It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts.
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
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