Jones best year of his career was two years ago (in a contract year). This year might as well be a contract year... it feels like unless he really turns it around, the Giants will be moving on. Also with a slightly improved O-Line and a new shiny toy at WR, he will have more support.
and the WR corps is healthy in week 1, there’s a real chance Jones can put up some big numbers if he’s healthy.
That’s a lot of ifs to bet on though and he’s shown little ability to progress to secondary or tertiary reads throughout his career even when he has time.
but you generally see flashes of great play from QB’s before it “clicks.” I haven’t really seen any flashes with Jones. And it usually clicks in year 2 or 3, not year 6.
coming off the success of 2022. So much so; that I bought tickets to the opener against Dallas.
Well, let's just say that I learned my lesson. Jones, the OL, and really the entire offense were fucking disugustingly bad in that game and should be ashamed of his/their performance in that game to this day.
If it didn't happen last year coming off of 2022, when his confidence should've been sky-high, I don't see how it would happen this year. I hope it does, but I don't see it. He and the entire offense was absolutely miserable all of last season.
Jones best year of his career was two years ago (in a contract year). This year might as well be a contract year... it feels like unless he really turns it around, the Giants will be moving on. Also with a slightly improved O-Line and a new shiny toy at WR, he will have more support.
and create a pocket for Jones to step up into. Allowing Neal to push is attacker behind Jones anything is possible. If Shoen got it wrong and they are just once again journey man players and have a race to pick up the QB like Pugh and Bredeson last season. Then he will have no chance.
and I believe he knows what has been going on in terms of the fan base, the possibility that JS tried to trade for Maye. If Jones is anything it is smart.
I hope that Daboll lets him chuck it around though too. In 2022, Daboll did a nice job of slowing opening up the offense, being more aggressive later in the season.
So the question will be, what will defenses to now that Barkley is gone. Double team Nabers? Force Jones to go to Robinson, Hyatt, Slayton, the TE's. Will they just all out blitz Jones half the game?
I don't know how good we will be but it will be interesting to see what Daboll and Kafka come up with without Barkley on the team.
Of course it's possible. He is a legitimate NFL backup caliber QB. He's not some 50 year old fat guy we pulled off the couch.
Backup QBs like Daniel will have good games periodically. Look around the league - tons of mediocre guys throw foe 300, 350, whatever. Then he'll have a bunch of regular Daniel Jones games. That's who he's been every year. That's who he is.
If you give any of the top 60 QBs in the league a lifetime appointment as starting QB, all of them are going to have some good games.
Of course it's possible. He is a legitimate NFL backup caliber QB. He's not some 50 year old fat guy we pulled off the couch.
Backup QBs like Daniel will have good games periodically. Look around the league - tons of mediocre guys throw foe 300, 350, whatever. Then he'll have a bunch of regular Daniel Jones games. That's who he's been every year. That's who he is.
If you give any of the top 60 QBs in the league a lifetime appointment as starting QB, all of them are going to have some good games.
It's remarkable how consistent his passing yards and touchdowns thrown have been since his rookie year.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts.
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
It isn’t just magic dust Manny. It’s Thomas and Runyon and JMS and Eluemunor and Neal and maybe others as well.
Soemone said the other day (maybe it was me) that lots of things in life and by extension are possible, but only afew things are likely. what are the actual odds that Jones morphs into a franchise NFL passer with a better OL and a couple of weapons. Probably not that great, but they are there. However the other part of the equation is that the odds that a QB taken with the 6th pick, be it Penix or McCarthy, being all that much better than Jones also aren't that great. And it may very well be that Schoen and Daboll put on their poker playing hats and came to the conclusion that Jones, a guy they feel at least has the tools to be a good NFL QB given a decent team around him, are actually better than the odds of a young QB coming and being the next Josh Allen. In fact one of the things that has kind of frustrated me about the whole anybody but Jones crusade is that almost none of the crusaders have kind of glossed over what comes next.
Soemone said the other day (maybe it was me) that lots of things in life and by extension are possible, but only afew things are likely. what are the actual odds that Jones morphs into a franchise NFL passer with a better OL and a couple of weapons. Probably not that great, but they are there. However the other part of the equation is that the odds that a QB taken with the 6th pick, be it Penix or McCarthy, being all that much better than Jones also aren't that great. And it may very well be that Schoen and Daboll put on their poker playing hats and came to the conclusion that Jones, a guy they feel at least has the tools to be a good NFL QB given a decent team around him, are actually better than the odds of a young QB coming and being the next Josh Allen. In fact one of the things that has kind of frustrated me about the whole anybody but Jones crusade is that almost none of the crusaders have kind of glossed over what comes next.
All the QBs you mention, Penix, McCarthy, and Nix have higher upside than Jones. They may not reach it, but championship QB is still a possible outcome with them. For Jones, championship QB is now close to zero. As upside plays, Penix, Nix, JJM are far beyond Jones.
He now has to play without the threat of Barkley AND he's coming off an ACL so forget the running threat. He has to stand back there and beat teams with his ability to read the defense, and make the throw on time and to the right spot.
Has he at ANY TIME in his 5 years here shown the ability to do that for even 5 minutes??
The answer is no, so I believe he has NO shot. That's why he needs to be replaced. Lock on the other hand, has! Which is why, despite his inconsistency, HE should be the starting QB.
There isn't another Josh Allen in the NFL (not even Mahomes can carry a team on his shoulders, the way Allen does).
On offense, the other player who is key to restoring respectability is Theo Johnson, if can team with Daniel Bellinger well, I think we can have a very good one-two punch.
Likely? That's a different story.
But he's got guys who can take a 10-yard slant and turn it into an 80-yard TD now.
Jones could hit those goals this year, but he has never come close to them in his career so not sure it is likely at all.
That’s a lot of ifs to bet on though and he’s shown little ability to progress to secondary or tertiary reads throughout his career even when he has time.
Who knows, right?
Well, let's just say that I learned my lesson. Jones, the OL, and really the entire offense were fucking disugustingly bad in that game and should be ashamed of his/their performance in that game to this day.
If it didn't happen last year coming off of 2022, when his confidence should've been sky-high, I don't see how it would happen this year. I hope it does, but I don't see it. He and the entire offense was absolutely miserable all of last season.
Agreed.
Compare him to the best quarterbacks in the league, not his own previously low standards.
People just don't want to accept he is limited.
It will be critical is to design and execute a run game almost exclusively by the RB's imv.
High rushing carries/ypc should lead to a productive pass game imv with the added talent. Last season the RB ypc was 3.7. Backup RB's below 3.0.
Leading passer was 273.9 yards per. So yes, asking for 300 per is a little much.
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Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
I hope that Daboll lets him chuck it around though too. In 2022, Daboll did a nice job of slowing opening up the offense, being more aggressive later in the season.
So the question will be, what will defenses to now that Barkley is gone. Double team Nabers? Force Jones to go to Robinson, Hyatt, Slayton, the TE's. Will they just all out blitz Jones half the game?
I don't know how good we will be but it will be interesting to see what Daboll and Kafka come up with without Barkley on the team.
Backup QBs like Daniel will have good games periodically. Look around the league - tons of mediocre guys throw foe 300, 350, whatever. Then he'll have a bunch of regular Daniel Jones games. That's who he's been every year. That's who he is.
If you give any of the top 60 QBs in the league a lifetime appointment as starting QB, all of them are going to have some good games.
Backup QBs like Daniel will have good games periodically. Look around the league - tons of mediocre guys throw foe 300, 350, whatever. Then he'll have a bunch of regular Daniel Jones games. That's who he's been every year. That's who he is.
If you give any of the top 60 QBs in the league a lifetime appointment as starting QB, all of them are going to have some good games.
It's remarkable how consistent his passing yards and touchdowns thrown have been since his rookie year.
Fools
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play.
Same old same old.
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well.
Dude has never had a good game.
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked.
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush.
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year.
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line.
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways.
Jones is still here.
Where is my knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it.
It would be absurd to even consider Nabers taking a short pass to the house against the Colts. ok, sure that has never been done before by anyone in history, Colts have never given up a touchdown, that is why they have won so many games :)
Fools someone is
All the defense has to do is stop Nabers, no one else on the offense is capable of a big play. Thats what a #1WR does, more focus put on him make others more open
Same old same old. Joe S didnt draft anyone, or make any coaching changes, and didnt sign any players
It’s more likely that punching myself in the nuts feels good than Jones playing well. they have clubs for you try this out if you are into it
Dude has never had a good game. yep, somehow team went to the playoffs and won a game without any good games
Even if we do get a lead we can’t rush the passer so we are fucked. Brian Burns was never added to the roster, we didnt change to different DC
A team that once said you can’t have enough pass rushers does nothing to address the pass rush. what r u smoking? can I have some
I should actually try punching myself in the nuts rather than watch games this year. GO FOR IT, put it on youtube and make money
Oh yeah, add one more year where do nothing to address the OL. There is no reason to expect any improvement. Should be the same line. We should have signed 5 vets and got a new O-line, idiots
We all know that NONE of that matters anyways. why do you even follow this team at all?
Jones is still here. I heard they were putting him in the ring of honor, buckle up butter cup
Where is my knife? your poop knife?
I’ll just go walk in traffic, maybe someone will get a new car out if it. please dont do that, You should really get professional help, and also putting other people's life at stake is really selfish of you
Only bad games he had then were vs Philly and Detroit.
Barkley ran a lot vs Houston but they could only score when Jones was passing.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
And that jones will have NO chance if the line stumbles, the big hope is that Carmen Bricillo can sprinkle some magic dust on them.
If that happens, the "X" factor is rookie Ty Tracy. He came out of nowhere his last year of college to average 6.0+ yards/carry. If he can approach 4.7 yards/carry (NFL average is 4.4), then defenses will have some respect, otherwise Jonesey's goose is cooked.
It isn’t just magic dust Manny. It’s Thomas and Runyon and JMS and Eluemunor and Neal and maybe others as well.
All the QBs you mention, Penix, McCarthy, and Nix have higher upside than Jones. They may not reach it, but championship QB is still a possible outcome with them. For Jones, championship QB is now close to zero. As upside plays, Penix, Nix, JJM are far beyond Jones.
Has he at ANY TIME in his 5 years here shown the ability to do that for even 5 minutes??
The answer is no, so I believe he has NO shot. That's why he needs to be replaced. Lock on the other hand, has! Which is why, despite his inconsistency, HE should be the starting QB.
There isn't another Josh Allen in the NFL (not even Mahomes can carry a team on his shoulders, the way Allen does).
On offense, the other player who is key to restoring respectability is Theo Johnson, if can team with Daniel Bellinger well, I think we can have a very good one-two punch.
there is no reason Jones can't be successful.
Likely? That's a different story.
But he's got guys who can take a 10-yard slant and turn it into an 80-yard TD now.
If he gets a little bit comfortable with that OL -comeback player of the year -playoffs
I mean, he's more than 50% of the way through being in the league for a DECADE; and we're still asking questions about the guy.
That says it all.
Real weapons WR, WR, WR, TE, RB RB and imo a vast improved NFL OL -praise St. Carmine AND Daballs and Kafka knowing what to do with them.
He did take us to the playoffs with a sub optimal cast
And 7 in his college career
So in 96 starts, its happened 14 times
Ok - that was good. I laughed out on that one.