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NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:12 pm
So I am concerned about how the majority of our team seems to be made out of 100% grade A+ porcelain.

However, that being said, I think we are in great position to contend for a championship next year. I would not engage in any of these wild trade theories we have heard.

Next year I see our roster as largely set.
We have Brunson at the 1 and Divo at the 2. I am largely on the fence with OG, but I would resign him and start him at the 3. Then we have the walking bad attitude/All pro Randle at the 4.

So here is where the question marks begin. I would do everything possible to resign Hartenstein, but I'm going to just assume we fail for the sake of preparing for the worst case scenario. So, the Knicks have two first round picks, and a second.

Now, I know nothing about NBA free agency, but people around here keep insisting expiring contracts have value. I'm not convinced by what I have seen out of the Knicks, but if so, then take advantage of the expiring contract of Bogs and get a backup at either PG, SF, C or finally PF. Then use your first 1st round pick on whichever position you did not address yet starting at backup SF, then C, then PG. Use your second first round pick on a backup PG, or a C, or a SF. Then you have your second round pick to use on a C or a PF. I don't know. Maybe I am overly exuberant, but I think our future is ROSES!

Oh, and if the fans here are full of it and Bogs expiring contract has no value, then I would resign him to a reasonable contract and then instead of looking for a backup SF in the draft, I would look for a backup SG who would prove to be an upgrade over Miles McBride.
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RE: RE: RE: I personally think that replacing Randle  
Mike in NJ : 5/30/2024 11:17 am : link
In comment 16527368 nygiants16 said:
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I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.



This is the problem right here, what happens when you go over the second apron and this keeps happening and you are stuck?


Because of the cap implications they are going to have to make a decision on Julius before the trade deadline. In theory Julius could be the guy that checks all of those boxes, but if January roles around and he isn't fitting in or isn't buying in to what his role should be, then you look to move him. If they sign him to an extension early August, then they can still move him at the deadline as 6 months will have gone by.

Ideally they are able to find the right trade this summer, involving Julius or not, but it's not like they are totally screwed if they have to go into this season with the same core that went 12-1 with OG, Julius, and Brunson in the lineup together. They will definitely have to get more creative, but there are still ways to maneuver.
The problem is that 2nd apron  
nygiants16 : 5/30/2024 11:26 am : link
Knicks are going to be dangerously close, they may not have the option to wait til the deadline...

Either way though i trust the front office so if they dont make a deal i am not going to kill them, cant blame them for thinking this team healthy can do some damage
Pass  
DanMetroMan : 5/30/2024 3:17 pm : link
KnicksMuse
@KnicksMuse
ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”

“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”
RE: Pass  
Anakim : 5/30/2024 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16527672 DanMetroMan said:
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KnicksMuse
@KnicksMuse
ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”

“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”


Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.
RE: RE: Pass  
DanMetroMan : 5/30/2024 3:25 pm : link
In comment 16527677 Anakim said:
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In comment 16527672 DanMetroMan said:


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KnicksMuse
@KnicksMuse
ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”

“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”



Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.


Kennard has 1 year remaining and then is a UFA.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 5/30/2024 3:27 pm : link
size under contract would be down to Randle/Jericho Sims. Kennard isn't a bad player at all, but the 2 headed monster at center was an underrated/undervalued asset for the Knicks.
RE: Knicks  
Anakim : 5/30/2024 3:36 pm : link
In comment 16527683 DanMetroMan said:
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size under contract would be down to Randle/Jericho Sims. Kennard isn't a bad player at all, but the 2 headed monster at center was an underrated/undervalued asset for the Knicks.



True, but I want us to re-sign iHart. I'd rather have Claxton, but I think Hartenstein is more realistic.
There are simply not that many players that are upgrades  
Heisenberg : 5/30/2024 4:21 pm : link
over Randle AND gettable. And the game is about matchups as well as efficiency. If you don't think we could have used Randle bully ball at times against Indiana and their soft ass bigs, I don't know what to tell you. How many times in that series did we end up with Josh Hart putting down his head and driving for a mid range late in the clock? The Knicks really needed another offensive creator and Randle would have been incredibly helpful in those moments.

I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.
I dont think Mitch is traded just to be traded  
nygiants16 : 5/30/2024 4:25 pm : link
He will either be in a star trade OR possibky trade for bench pieces after a star trade
I am not looking to move Mitch for financial purposes.  
Kmed6000 : 5/30/2024 4:25 pm : link
I get that he's injury prone, but he has an elite talent, a crazy good bargain and he's just coming into his own. We saw him sparingly this season, but he took the next step. The aggressiveness on the boards and on defense was something we haven't seen with him. The only way I'd move Mitch is if we traded him with Randle or Bogey in an upgrade situation.
RE: There are simply not that many players that are upgrades  
nygiants16 : 5/30/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16527721 Heisenberg said:
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over Randle AND gettable. And the game is about matchups as well as efficiency. If you don't think we could have used Randle bully ball at times against Indiana and their soft ass bigs, I don't know what to tell you. How many times in that series did we end up with Josh Hart putting down his head and driving for a mid range late in the clock? The Knicks really needed another offensive creator and Randle would have been incredibly helpful in those moments.

I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.


I dont think anyone is arguing that Randle is a good player or that hr could kf been used to beat the Pacers...

The question is can you win a championship with Randle extended making 45 million and he is their 2nd best player
Of course we could have used randle.  
Kmed6000 : 5/30/2024 4:28 pm : link
We didn't have Mitch, Bogey or OG. If randle can just be "a guy" and fill in to score when Brunson isn't on the floor, he'd be great. However, he's paid to be a star and demands the ball in his hands.

If you think the knicks win those crazy late games with Randle on the floor instead of Hart, I don't know what to tell you.
How about  
Kmed6000 : 5/30/2024 4:36 pm : link
Randle and Dallas' first
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Markkanen and Kessler(plus filler)
RE: How about  
DanMetroMan : 5/30/2024 4:40 pm : link
In comment 16527736 Kmed6000 said:
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Randle and Dallas' first
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Markkanen and Kessler(plus filler)


I suspect Utah would pass very, very hard on that one. Markkannen will be 27 for the entire 2025 season, Julius will be 30 coming off major shoulder surgery. Kessler finished 3rd in ROY in 2023, followed it up with 8 and 8 this season with 2.4 blocks, 18.0 PER/.131 WS/48... and this is Danny Ainge we are talking about
Its really not a major shoulder surgery.  
Kmed6000 : 5/30/2024 4:43 pm : link
Guys come back at 100% all the time nowadays. I just think Randle is the kind of guy to get you to playoff caliber status and he can help them take the next step.

However, yeah, Ainge doesn't make fair trades and doesn't work with the knicks either.
The Jazz wouldn’t do that deal  
Jon In NYC : 5/30/2024 5:33 pm : link
but I’d 100% call about Kessler. For whatever reason they just didn’t want to play him, but he’s a difference maker defensively.
Really enjoying how screwed the Utah Jazz are  
bceagle05 : 5/30/2024 5:57 pm : link
after Ainge was such a prick during the Mitchell negotiations. Roster has some decent pieces but is going nowhere in a loaded West, 31-51 record last year. Definition of no man’s land. If Mitchell stays in Cleveland those future unprotected firsts they got will be middle of the road too.
Jalen, Hart, Thibs and Rick  
nygiants16 : 5/30/2024 9:20 pm : link
at the Knicks game
RE: Jalen, Hart, Thibs and Rick  
nygiants16 : 5/30/2024 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16527907 nygiants16 said:
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at the Knicks game


at tbe rsngers gsme
Listening to Macri and Scotto  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 7:35 am : link
- Sounded very confident OG and iHart return

- Said rockets never offered all the Nets picks back to them for Bridges as previously reported but Marci who really is quite bad at this never asked if the Knicks were going to make a play

- mentioned that Kal’el Ware is a CAA guy (I really like Ware personally)

- thinks the Knicks are the floor for Ryan Dunn (I also like him a lot as OG backup)
I do think the Knicks have gotten somewhat lucky  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 7:42 am : link
And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range.

Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.

They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.

I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.

I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can

Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?
RE: I do think the Knicks have gotten somewhat lucky  
BigBlueShock : 5/31/2024 8:11 am : link
In comment 16528142 Jon In NYC said:
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And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range.

Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.

They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.

I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.

I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can

Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?

The Mavs pick is locked in
RE: RE: I do think the Knicks have gotten somewhat lucky  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 8:15 am : link
In comment 16528149 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16528142 Jon In NYC said:


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And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range.

Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.

They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.

I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.

I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can

Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?


The Mavs pick is locked in


Sweet, thank you. Wasn’t sure if it drops to 30 like in the NFL
According to Jonathon Givony  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 10:13 am : link
Knicks are looking into trade scenarios involved 24 and 25
Take Bronny  
JT039 : 5/31/2024 10:25 am : link
So lebron follows.
RE: According to Jonathon Givony  
Stu11 : 5/31/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16528208 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks are looking into trade scenarios involved 24 and 25

Yeah if they don't use one or both picks in a trade for a star it makes total sense to package them to move up into the 15-20 range to get one player they really like. They probably don't want 2 rookies any way and they have that high 2nd rounder even if they do.
Fuck off, OKC.  
bceagle05 : 5/31/2024 11:09 am : link
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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.

Fischer - ( New Window )
RE: Fuck off, OKC.  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 11:14 am : link
In comment 16528252 bceagle05 said:
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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.

Fischer - ( New Window )


Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.
RE: RE: Fuck off, OKC.  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 11:31 am : link
In comment 16528257 Jon In NYC said:
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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.

Fischer - ( New Window )



Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.


He admitted his sources on OG were from other teams telling him, hmm i wonder who 1 of those teams were, none of his sources were from CAA or OG...


I am betting the same with this..

He even said he expects OG to sign with Knicks
Begely made the prediction  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 3:51 pm : link
that Brunson will sign an extension and that Julius Randle will not..

Also said he thinks the Suns will quietly discuss KD with teams
I question if OKC really wants  
Enzo : 5/31/2024 3:55 pm : link
to tie up $100 million or so for a good but not great center in iHart. They have a couple of years before the roster gets really expensive and they have to pay Chet and Williams. But if they start paying other guys they're quickly in tax territory which I'm assuming OKC wants to avoid like the plague.
RE: Begely made the prediction  
Enzo : 5/31/2024 3:58 pm : link
In comment 16528406 nygiants16 said:
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that Brunson will sign an extension and that Julius Randle will not..

Also said he thinks the Suns will quietly discuss KD with teams

I want all the old guys (LeBron, CP3, Durant, Harden, etc.) to try and end up on the same team and make a go of it.
Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 4:33 pm : link
AJ was saying if he leaves guys from the Pistons may come available right?
RE: Pistons part ways with Troy Weaver  
bceagle05 : 5/31/2024 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16528421 nygiants16 said:
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AJ was saying if he leaves guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Yep, I asked him that specifically. He’s anticipating a Cade trade request at some point in the future.
Oooh  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 5:05 pm : link
I don't hate Cade on this team actually.

The turnovers are a real problem but if he's your secondary ball handler I think there is something there. Still only 22.

Probably would require quite a few picks but he just dropped a pretty decently efficient 22-7.5-4.5 on a bad Pistons team.
I love Cade’s game.  
bceagle05 : 5/31/2024 7:37 pm : link
Desperately in need of a change of scenery. I think some of his “injuries” are just blatant tanking too. They’re really screwed his development in my opinion.
Zach Lavine apparently is so available  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 8:09 pm : link
they are willing to just do a salary dump
I don’t think  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 8:12 pm : link
Levine is better than DiVencenzo at this point
RE: Zach Lavine apparently is so available  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/31/2024 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16528507 nygiants16 said:
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they are willing to just do a salary dump


Hell no. He's the epitome of 'Good stats, bad team' dude.
RE: Zach Lavine apparently is so available  
Stu11 : 5/31/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16528507 nygiants16 said:
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they are willing to just do a salary dump
sauerkraut is more durable than that guy's knee ligaments. Hard pass.
RE: I don’t think  
nygiants16 : 5/31/2024 8:49 pm : link
In comment 16528508 Jon In NYC said:
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Levine is better than DiVencenzo at this point


I dont either and i wanted Lavine badly a couple of yesrs ago
DDV is a good two way player. They're hard to find. When you have  
Ira : 5/31/2024 8:55 pm : link
one, hold on to him.
Why  
Jon In NYC : 5/31/2024 9:42 pm : link
wouldn't the Knicks make a play for Brandon Ingram? Buy low and play him as a big 2 and secondary creator. Budget Paul George but 8 years younger
RE: I love Cade’s game.  
bluefin : 6/1/2024 5:51 am : link
In comment 16528494 bceagle05 said:
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Desperately in need of a change of scenery. I think some of his “injuries” are just blatant tanking too. They’re really screwed his development in my opinion.

+1
I know I'm all over the place,  
Jon In NYC : 6/1/2024 3:00 pm : link
but I'm circling back to the Caruso idea and kinda love it? Does Mitch straight up get it done? Mitch and a pick?

You have a starting 5 of Brunson-Caruso-OG-Randle-iHart with basically two all first team defense players who are also knock down shooters and two top tier scorers with Isaiah contributing on both ends.

Bench of Deuce-DVo-Hart-Bogie-Precious

Probably need to add a backup big (I like Goga for cheap personally)

But yeah that's a scary team.
RE: I know I'm all over the place,  
Optimus-NY : 6/1/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16528778 Jon In NYC said:
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but I'm circling back to the Caruso idea and kinda love it? Does Mitch straight up get it done? Mitch and a pick?

You have a starting 5 of Brunson-Caruso-OG-Randle-iHart with basically two all first team defense players who are also knock down shooters and two top tier scorers with Isaiah contributing on both ends.

Bench of Deuce-DVo-Hart-Bogie-Precious

Probably need to add a backup big (I like Goga for cheap personally)

But yeah that's a scary team.


Not bad.
Hate it.  
Kmed6000 : 6/1/2024 3:59 pm : link
Why would be move Donte out of the starting lineup and clog up minutes late in games. You probably can't play both of them at the same time. The chemistry with these guys is outrageously good and Divincenzo took the next step in his game this year. 18ppg while shooting 42% from 3 in the playoffs.

Giving up Mitch and leaving us completely bare at the 5 is a bad idea.
RE: Hate it.  
Jon In NYC : 6/1/2024 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16528795 Kmed6000 said:
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Why would be move Donte out of the starting lineup and clog up minutes late in games. You probably can't play both of them at the same time. The chemistry with these guys is outrageously good and Divincenzo took the next step in his game this year. 18ppg while shooting 42% from 3 in the playoffs.

Giving up Mitch and leaving us completely bare at the 5 is a bad idea.


The jump on defense from Dante to Caruso is greater than the drop on offense imo. Caruso not only shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts but also can run some point. Hes a good and smart offensive player and is just again all world defensively.

I disagree that they can’t play together. Love having both of them on the team and you can mix and match. Caruso played some 4 last year for the Bulls. Brunson-Donte-Caruso-OG-Randle death lineup? Oh baby.

I’m not quite sure what to do with Mitch. He’s a bad fit next to Randle. He can’t stay healthy. When he’s dominant he’s dominant but I’m not super interested in paying a backup 5 who can’t space the floor 14 mil for maybe 60 games a year and who knows what in the playoffs.

The Bulls are losing Drummond and were playing Vuc at the 4 to finish the season so I could see them having interest. They get younger and have Mitch for two years as opposed to Caruso for one.
So Hart is the odd man out.  
Kmed6000 : 6/1/2024 4:20 pm : link
Hart proved to be vital in late game situations. I just don't think the Knicks should be trading size for a guy that clogs up the guard positions. I'm not moving Donte to the bench unless its a big upgrade.

I am not knocking Caruso. I think he's a really good player and a good fit as a Donte type of guy, but I'll take the younger guy that has room to grow and is improving his game.

Again though, the chemistry between Brunson, DiVincenzo and Hart was so important to our success.
I think Hart is always the odd man out.  
Jon In NYC : 6/1/2024 5:21 pm : link
He’s behind OG and Julius and just ahead of Bogie in the rotation. Hes looking at probably 26 mpg Caruso or no
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