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NFT: Knicks next year

NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:12 pm
So I am concerned about how the majority of our team seems to be made out of 100% grade A+ porcelain.

However, that being said, I think we are in great position to contend for a championship next year. I would not engage in any of these wild trade theories we have heard.

Next year I see our roster as largely set.
We have Brunson at the 1 and Divo at the 2. I am largely on the fence with OG, but I would resign him and start him at the 3. Then we have the walking bad attitude/All pro Randle at the 4.

So here is where the question marks begin. I would do everything possible to resign Hartenstein, but I'm going to just assume we fail for the sake of preparing for the worst case scenario. So, the Knicks have two first round picks, and a second.

Now, I know nothing about NBA free agency, but people around here keep insisting expiring contracts have value. I'm not convinced by what I have seen out of the Knicks, but if so, then take advantage of the expiring contract of Bogs and get a backup at either PG, SF, C or finally PF. Then use your first 1st round pick on whichever position you did not address yet starting at backup SF, then C, then PG. Use your second first round pick on a backup PG, or a C, or a SF. Then you have your second round pick to use on a C or a PF. I don't know. Maybe I am overly exuberant, but I think our future is ROSES!

Oh, and if the fans here are full of it and Bogs expiring contract has no value, then I would resign him to a reasonable contract and then instead of looking for a backup SF in the draft, I would look for a backup SG who would prove to be an upgrade over Miles McBride.
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If we can get the guys in irgan  
fanoftheteam : 5/19/2024 6:17 pm : link
To play defense chants while
Were on offfense we will 100% win the ship next year!
Don’t forget…  
BigBlueDawg56 : 5/19/2024 6:17 pm : link
About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line
Thay have a lot of work to do  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 6:19 pm : link
They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well.

And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks.

We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.
RE: Don’t forget…  
NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:
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About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line



Please stop.... I have no laughs available in my soul right now Knicks related.
RE: Thay have a lot of work to do  
NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16519969 Anakim said:
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They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well.

And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks.

We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.


I agree, but we have two middling first round picks. Don't quote me, but I believe they are something like #19 and #21? They are both very close together even if I am slightly off.

This regime drafts well enough that I am confident in an early 20's draft pick coming in and playing well enough at backup PG.

As for Robinson. I disagree 100%. I think he would be among the best backup centers in the league if Hartenstein returns, and we can mange with him as a slight minus starter and a rookie upgrade over Sims at the position next year if we can't resign Stein.

Per the lethal shooter. That is Devo. But we do need an upgrade over Miles on the second team shooting wise. That would be what you trade Bogs, contract for. Or, if there are biters you resign him and he is your lethal sot maker on the second unit.
Too  
Spider43 : 5/19/2024 6:34 pm : link
Soon?
RE: Thay have a lot of work to do  
fanoftheteam : 5/19/2024 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16519969 Anakim said:
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They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well.

And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks.

We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.



Animim- we have all that your asking for - youre just a shitty sportsfan. Seriously - you suck
RE: Too  
NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16519989 Spider43 said:
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Soon?


I'm sorry dude! I kind of feel the same way.

But on the other hand. I still have to say I think our future is bright! I'm kind of excited for next year!
RE: Don’t forget…  
Optimus-NY : 5/19/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:
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About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line


Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe?


Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window )
Way to soon to discuss next year  
larryflower37 : 5/19/2024 6:39 pm : link
Still trying to get over what this team would have accomplished if they were healthy
RE: RE: Don’t forget…  
NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16520000 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:


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About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line



Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe?
Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window )


We do we keep on mentioning the scrub Jokubaitis' name in this thread? From your own link:

This season, Joku has appeared in 28 EuroLeague games for Barcelona starting two of them and averaging 5.7 points, 1.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 0.3 steals per game. He’s logging nearly 17 minutes per game while shooting 50% inside the arc, 30.8% from 3-point range, and 66.7% from the charity stripe.

5.7 points per game? That's getting near the unmemorable Kendrick Perkins level career numbers (Was shocked to learn he ever played. Have no memory of him). Except Perk put up those numbers up against competition better than American junior high school talent....
I, for one, don't think we have a lot of work to do.  
Matt M. : 5/19/2024 6:49 pm : link
If Robinson is healthy and Randle is healthy and they can re-sign Hartenstein, I think this team is a top 5 team in the league and a serious contender. For that month after the trade before Randle got hurt, they were the best team in the league. Randel takes a lot of shit here, but he already changed his game a bit to fit in with this TEAM. DiVincenzo is a huge upgrade over Barrett, who was our starter at the beginning of the season. Hart, McBride, Robinson, and Burks or Bogdonovich off the bench is a very good team.

I am happy for Burks. He was hurt earlier in the year. He must have healed up, because he was playing like the guy we traded for.

There is no guarantee another superstar meshes with this team. And, for all the talk about Thibs, this team seems to love him. So, like him or not, he seems to be the best coach for THIS TEAM right now. It's more important to bring in someone who will buy into what this team is about than anything else.
The big question will be  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 7:03 pm : link
what does Randle want for an extension, i am not sure you can give him 40 to 50 million, i dont think he is that type of player, i think he is a great player but i dont know how much i trust him as the number 2

Beyind the number 2 star that we will debate all offseason, the Knicks need a backup point, i wouldnt be shocked if its Chris Paul, unless he goes to LA..

I dont want Hartenstein back, i am not paying him 16 million, he was dissapointing this post season, i dont think 16 million locked up to him and 14 to Mitch is smart business, i am fine with Mitch coming back as the backup big..

Find a big who can do defensivley what Thibs likes but also can shoot the ball, a shooter st the 5 for this team with Brunson would be absolutely deadly..

Randle  
Longtimelurker : 5/19/2024 7:04 pm : link
Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.
RE: Randle  
Matt M. : 5/19/2024 7:07 pm : link
In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said:
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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.
Did you watch this season before he got hurt? He already altered his game to fit and shot a bit less.
RE: The big question will be  
LW_Giants : 5/19/2024 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16520022 nygiants16 said:
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what does Randle want for an extension, i am not sure you can give him 40 to 50 million, i dont think he is that type of player, i think he is a great player but i dont know how much i trust him as the number 2

Beyind the number 2 star that we will debate all offseason, the Knicks need a backup point, i wouldnt be shocked if its Chris Paul, unless he goes to LA..

I dont want Hartenstein back, i am not paying him 16 million, he was dissapointing this post season, i dont think 16 million locked up to him and 14 to Mitch is smart business, i am fine with Mitch coming back as the backup big..

Find a big who can do defensivley what Thibs likes but also can shoot the ball, a shooter st the 5 for this team with Brunson would be absolutely deadly..


I agree that's the ideal fit, I just don't know where we get that guy with zero cap space. I'd rather bring back iHart and trade Mitch. Mitch is the better defensive player but he's just never healthy.
RE: Randle  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 7:11 pm : link
In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said:
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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.


tell me you dont watch the knicks without telling me you dont watch the Knicks
RE: RE: Randle  
Matt M. : 5/19/2024 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16520033 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said:


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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.



tell me you dont watch the knicks without telling me you dont watch the Knicks
Exactly. This is a 2 year old, outdated narrative.
I do think if Mitchell wants new york  
Knickstape : 5/19/2024 7:14 pm : link
You should go and get him.

As much as he is a dbag and I hate him. If only things werent the way they were I would love to se what this team would look like if we made a move for Durant

Brunson Divo OG Durant Mitch or Ihart
RE: RE: Randle  
NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 7:14 pm : link
In comment 16520029 Matt M. said:
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In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said:


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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.

Did you watch this season before he got hurt? He already altered his game to fit and shot a bit less.


Agreed. As long as Randle is not sulking and starting fights with his own teammates, then I am fine with keeping him. Who are we going to trade him for? He has more value for us than any other team I can imagine. He is an all pro in our system. Whatever we get back from a trade of him is not going to return equal value. We should just roll it back with him and maybe pay for a good in season therapist to work with him....
2 yearas ago, the calls were to get another player to play with him  
Matt M. : 5/19/2024 7:17 pm : link
They do that and now it's get another player to play with Brunson, when we already had that. Early in the season the talk was that the Knicks had 2 top 25 players in Randle and Brunson. That hasn't changed, outside of Brunson moving way up the list.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/19/2024 7:20 pm : link
I wonder if Giannis asks to be moved...
RE: 2 yearas ago, the calls were to get another player to play with him  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16520041 Matt M. said:
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They do that and now it's get another player to play with Brunson, when we already had that. Early in the season the talk was that the Knicks had 2 top 25 players in Randle and Brunson. That hasn't changed, outside of Brunson moving way up the list.


The issue with Randle is not fit where this team with him, if they decide to keep him and go into the season with that Janurary squad, then thats fine..

The issue with Randle is he has 1 year left on his deal and is up for an extension, i dont know if i would gice him 50 a year
Was fun watching this team  
beatrixkiddo : 5/19/2024 7:21 pm : link
As the key injuries continued to rack up and they never lost their identity. Obviously it became too much to handle when you lose 4 starters but what a gritty team that played with heart.

As a UCONN fan, if Knicks need a backup PG, Tristen Newton would be a great fit to this team. Completely selfless player, has a very nice outside shot, plays excellent defense, distributes the ball great and is a back to back NCAA Tourney MVP. He knows how to win and would be a much better guard to come in and spell Brunson throughout the year. Will be interesting to see who they can bring back, but OG should certainly take priority over IHart. Hopefully next year they don’t lose so many keys players to injury, sky is the limit if they are fully healthy.
Anamim - in willing to get the mods  
fanoftheteam : 5/19/2024 7:31 pm : link
On my profile radar—- i personally think all your takes are terrible. You shoukd stick to the wwf and stone cold steve austin.
The Knicks were fairly healthy the last two years  
ajr2456 : 5/19/2024 7:43 pm : link
I don’t get this arrive they’re made of glass
I’d be down to do a Q&A Friday  
ajr2456 : 5/19/2024 7:44 pm : link
For the offseason
RE: I’d be down to do a Q&A Friday  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 7:59 pm : link
In comment 16520066 ajr2456 said:
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For the offseason


Are you already hearing some offseason rumblings?
RE: ...  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16520044 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I wonder if Giannis asks to be moved...


Didn't he sign an extension a month or two ago?
I think the locks to be back  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:03 pm : link
Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG..

I think most likely:

Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does)

50/50:

Bojan, Precious

I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY
RE: I think the locks to be back  
ajr2456 : 5/19/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16520075 nygiants16 said:
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Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG..

I think most likely:

Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does)

50/50:

Bojan, Precious

I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY


I think the best move is to get Caruso and bring back Burks
RE: RE: I think the locks to be back  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16520078 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16520075 nygiants16 said:


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Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG..

I think most likely:

Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does)

50/50:

Bojan, Precious

I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY



I think the best move is to get Caruso and bring back Burks


I am completely fine gettinf Caruso and running with this team healthy..
Caruso would be great  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 8:12 pm : link
I wouldn't mind Tyus Jones either
I wonder if we could  
Enzo : 5/19/2024 8:12 pm : link
keep Burks for the bi-annual. But he may have earned himself part of somebody's MLE with his last few games.
Bobby Marks dropped an offseason guide for the Knicks  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 8:15 pm : link
.
Link - ( New Window )
how do we trade  
Enzo : 5/19/2024 8:15 pm : link
for Caruso given the contracts we have on the books?
RE: how do we trade  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16520083 Enzo said:
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for Caruso given the contracts we have on the books?


you can send them Bkjans expirong a couple of drsft picks for Caruso and dosunmo or Patrick williams as cap filler..
Love Brunson saying the season was a failure  
Sean : 5/19/2024 8:26 pm : link
It's not unreasonable to be disappointed they aren't in the ECF. Up 2-0 and up 9 in the 4th to go up 3-0, it's fair to expect the Knicks to close that series.

Next year is going to be tough getting back to this point. Bucks will likely be healthier. Sixers will be in the mix. Obviously Boston. Indiana & Orlando will be good. We'll see what Cleveland does.

The Knicks are in their window NOW. I trust Rose to make shrewd moves and bring him this team to a floor of the ECF, but it won't be easy.

They need to get out of the 2nd round next year. Anything less would be a major failure.
RE: Love Brunson saying the season was a failure  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:31 pm : link
In comment 16520087 Sean said:
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It's not unreasonable to be disappointed they aren't in the ECF. Up 2-0 and up 9 in the 4th to go up 3-0, it's fair to expect the Knicks to close that series.

Next year is going to be tough getting back to this point. Bucks will likely be healthier. Sixers will be in the mix. Obviously Boston. Indiana & Orlando will be good. We'll see what Cleveland does.

The Knicks are in their window NOW. I trust Rose to make shrewd moves and bring him this team to a floor of the ECF, but it won't be easy.

They need to get out of the 2nd round next year. Anything less would be a major failure.


Bucks are on their last legs, i wouldnt be ahocked if that team stsrts to really fall off even with Giannis...They are an old team with Lopez and Middleton...I wouldnt be surprised if Lillard is traded..

Pacers need a scorer and honestly even after this series i am not worried about them, they would of been a first round exit if the Bucks were healthy abd swept if the Knicks were healthy..

Orlando is up and coming but they have a lot of holes, need shooting another elite scorer, they have a very good piece in Banchero but need more..
Did Brunson break his hand?  
barens : 5/19/2024 8:32 pm : link
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RE: Did Brunson break his hand?  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16520090 barens said:
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Yeah
nygiants16  
Sean : 5/19/2024 8:36 pm : link
Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year?
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:41 pm : link
In comment 16520092 Sean said:
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Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year?


Yeah of course, this team healthy would of won 60 games and probably sweeps this Pacers team..

I mean you could of had Randle on siakim and lrt OG harrass Haliburton with Divo off ball..

You then would have Hart, Deuce coming in off the bench with Bojan and Mitch
The Knicks have a core & identity  
HardTruth : 5/19/2024 8:43 pm : link
That core to me is Brunson, DDV, Hart and OG

Thats the group I would build around and keep adding players who fit that identity and fill the weaknesses

RE: RE: nygiants16  
Sean : 5/19/2024 8:43 pm : link
In comment 16520094 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16520092 Sean said:


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Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year?



Yeah of course, this team healthy would of won 60 games and probably sweeps this Pacers team..

I mean you could of had Randle on siakim and lrt OG harrass Haliburton with Divo off ball..

You then would have Hart, Deuce coming in off the bench with Bojan and Mitch

Yep. Randle getting hurt against Miami was such a killer. Remember that when he's frustrating everyone in November.
Deuce  
Carl in CT : 5/19/2024 8:46 pm : link
Is going nowhere with his contract. Bonovich is the one who has the salary to throw in for a deal. Randle signed with CAA so if he wants to stay he will. Hartenstein will probably leave cause someone will give him a big contract. Mich can’t stay healthy so there is a decision to be made there. Divo probably 6th man. Hart going no where but we need to upgrade the #2 and get a stretch 5. Picks are available if we get a stud at the 2 or the #5.
I think its obvious  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 8:50 pm : link
the Nova boys want Mikal, i think its obvious Mikal wants the Knicks and be with his friends, i think the Knicks will make a big offer to the Nets to get him, would they trade him? i dont know but the Knicks are goingnto try..

You go into this offseason with Brunson, Divl, Hart and OG as your core 4, any move you make is with them in mind and how everything fits.

The last thing whoever is added to this team, regardless of talent level, they better embrace this culture, if they cant they are goingnto be chewed up and spit out
As i love ihart and Mitch they  
ajr2456 : 5/19/2024 8:52 pm : link
Need a center who is a scoring threat
max we can offer iHart  
Enzo : 5/19/2024 8:53 pm : link
is 4/72. That's a good contract for him, IMO. The following teams project to have cap space: Utah, Detroit OKC, Magic, Raptors, SA, Philly (I think that's it). Pretty much all of them have a starting center already.
RE: As i love ihart and Mitch they  
Enzo : 5/19/2024 8:54 pm : link
In comment 16520102 ajr2456 said:
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Need a center who is a scoring threat

to me iHart is the stopgap you keep until something better comes along. I'm fine with moving on from Mitch. Even if he was a durable player, he's seemingly regresses offensively.
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