for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Knicks next year

NYDCBlue : 5/19/2024 6:12 pm
So I am concerned about how the majority of our team seems to be made out of 100% grade A+ porcelain.

However, that being said, I think we are in great position to contend for a championship next year. I would not engage in any of these wild trade theories we have heard.

Next year I see our roster as largely set.
We have Brunson at the 1 and Divo at the 2. I am largely on the fence with OG, but I would resign him and start him at the 3. Then we have the walking bad attitude/All pro Randle at the 4.

So here is where the question marks begin. I would do everything possible to resign Hartenstein, but I'm going to just assume we fail for the sake of preparing for the worst case scenario. So, the Knicks have two first round picks, and a second.

Now, I know nothing about NBA free agency, but people around here keep insisting expiring contracts have value. I'm not convinced by what I have seen out of the Knicks, but if so, then take advantage of the expiring contract of Bogs and get a backup at either PG, SF, C or finally PF. Then use your first 1st round pick on whichever position you did not address yet starting at backup SF, then C, then PG. Use your second first round pick on a backup PG, or a C, or a SF. Then you have your second round pick to use on a C or a PF. I don't know. Maybe I am overly exuberant, but I think our future is ROSES!

Oh, and if the fans here are full of it and Bogs expiring contract has no value, then I would resign him to a reasonable contract and then instead of looking for a backup SF in the draft, I would look for a backup SG who would prove to be an upgrade over Miles McBride.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Yeah I don’t see some monster offer for iHart  
bceagle05 : 5/19/2024 8:56 pm : link
coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer.
RE: Yeah I don’t see some monster offer for iHart  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 9:00 pm : link
In comment 16520106 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer.


Doesn't seem to be a deep FA center class. It's pretty much just Nic Claxton. iHart may be the second best C in this class.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 5/19/2024 9:03 pm : link
Hell of a year. Really fun to root for this team. No team can sustain the injuries they had, and the minutes police just shut up.

The OG injury was obviously enormous this series but I bogie was really big too. His shooting and size would have been huge.

I’d be hesitant moving on from Randle. His toughness…and it’s real toughness- will be big. They don’t lose this series with a healthy Randle.

Hartenstein was awful. Maybe he was playing hurt but he killed them. I’m mot overpaying him.

I would also use the 2 picks they have. They need to try to develop some guys on the end of the bench. Especially a big.

If you can add to this core for one more year.
RE: I think its obvious  
Sean : 5/19/2024 9:05 pm : link
In comment 16520101 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
the Nova boys want Mikal, i think its obvious Mikal wants the Knicks and be with his friends, i think the Knicks will make a big offer to the Nets to get him, would they trade him? i dont know but the Knicks are goingnto try..

You go into this offseason with Brunson, Divl, Hart and OG as your core 4, any move you make is with them in mind and how everything fits.

The last thing whoever is added to this team, regardless of talent level, they better embrace this culture, if they cant they are goingnto be chewed up and spit out

On the culture point. Lock up Thibs long term and give him the raise which has been reported. Go all in on this culture.
RE: RE: Yeah I don’t see some monster offer for iHart  
Enzo : 5/19/2024 9:05 pm : link
In comment 16520107 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 16520106 bceagle05 said:


Quote:


coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer.



Doesn't seem to be a deep FA center class. It's pretty much just Nic Claxton. iHart may be the second best C in this class.

Valančiūnas is still pretty good. He's the only other guy.

Seems like there's a surplus of "good" centers around the league once you get beyond the stars. Just about every team has one - or at least someone that projects to be good.
The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 12 games  
shyster : 5/19/2024 9:08 pm : link
8 of which were against teams that didn't make the playoffs.

The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 1 road game against a team that made the playoffs. One. Randle was terrible in that game: 1-11 from the field. Quentin Grimes had a season high 19 points.

The projections for 2025 playoff success from a tiny sample of a team that no longer exists are silly.



They’ll likely have to find a center in the trade market  
ajr2456 : 5/19/2024 9:15 pm : link
.
RE: The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 12 games  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 9:18 pm : link
In comment 16520112 shyster said:
Quote:
8 of which were against teams that didn't make the playoffs.

The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 1 road game against a team that made the playoffs. One. Randle was terrible in that game: 1-11 from the field. Quentin Grimes had a season high 19 points.

The projections for 2025 playoff success from a tiny sample of a team that no longer exists are silly.




26-5 with OG in the lineup, it is not stilly at all, they were a dominant team with OG any way you slice it
RE: RE: RE: Don’t forget…  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2024 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16520005 NYDCBlue said:
Quote:
In comment 16520000 Optimus-NY said:


Quote:


In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:


Quote:


About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line



Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe?
Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window )



We do we keep on mentioning the scrub Jokubaitis' name in this thread? From your own link:

This season, Joku has appeared in 28 EuroLeague games for Barcelona starting two of them and averaging 5.7 points, 1.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 0.3 steals per game. He’s logging nearly 17 minutes per game while shooting 50% inside the arc, 30.8% from 3-point range, and 66.7% from the charity stripe.

5.7 points per game? That's getting near the unmemorable Kendrick Perkins level career numbers (Was shocked to learn he ever played. Have no memory of him). Except Perk put up those numbers up against competition better than American junior high school talent....


LigaACB is a lot different than the NBA. They don't score points like the NBA. Their highest scorer is averaging 19 PPG and he's the only player in the league over 15 PPG. Younger players don't get the playing time that older guys do. Luka has stated on multiple occasions that it's much easier to score in the NBA.

Luka averaged 24 MPG with 12 PPG, 5 APG & 5 RPG his last year in Spain. He came over to the NBA and averaged 21, 8 & 6 as a rookie.

Rubio averaged 24 MPG with 6.6 PPG, 4 APG & 3 RPG his final year in Spain.
Think Rose  
Maggot Brain : 5/19/2024 9:24 pm : link
will look for one more three and D at the 2 or 3. That would make the bench Divo, Deuce, Hart, and either Mitch or I-Hart. That squad would be as good as any in the NBA next year. Would be monstrous to pry Bridges from the Nets or Caruso from the Bulls.
Would love to pry Markennen from  
LW_Giants : 5/19/2024 9:36 pm : link
Utah. He’s the perfect scoring big for this team.

I think iHart will be back. He’s not getting 25 mil a year or something like that I don’t think.

They will prob look to trade Robinson. His contract is very reasonable because it was front loaded and if you can manage his minutes during the regular season to like 20-25 mpg he may stay healthier. That’s not gonna happen here for a multitude of reasons.

I also think they’ll go star hunting. Rose has been pretty transparent though his maneuvering that he still thinks they’re another star away. I don’t think that has changed. If they can’t find someone then you role with this team which was pretty damn good and hope they’re healthier.

I think they’ll probably use one of the two draft picks either on a big for a 4 year pg type that can shoot and play smart defense but maybe has a lower ceiling than many
NYDCBlue  
Big Rick in FL : 5/19/2024 9:39 pm : link
Luka averaged 12 PPG in 24 MPG
Rubio averaged 6.6 PPG in 24 MPG
Gasol averaged 11 PPG in 24 MPG
Ibaka averaged 6.7 PPG in 14 MPG
Mirotic averaged 12 PPG in 23 MPG
Tiago Splitter averaged 15 PPG in 28 MPG

These are all guys that have come over and had successfull NBA careers. If you are looking at players that play in Spain you can't rely on stats to judge them.

I argued with a ton of people that told me Luka wasn't going to be anything special in the NBA and would cite his stats as a reason why. I am a fan of Real Madrid futbol & Baloncesto so I started watching Luka when he was 16 and knew he would be special. Granted I haven't watched Rokas (I hate Barcelona) but the stats mean absolutely nothing. Hell look at Wembanyama's international career. He averaged 12.8 PPG, 6.7 RPG & 1.4 APG in 23 MPG in a worse league. Came over and was borderline dominant as a rookie.
Just curious, but if we package 24 and 25, how high can we get?  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 9:45 pm : link
.
Towns playing great in Game 7  
bceagle05 : 5/19/2024 9:47 pm : link
including good defense on Jokic. Wish he would lock in like this more often.
RE: Just curious, but if we package 24 and 25, how high can we get?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16520134 Anakim said:
Quote:
.


I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks
RE: RE: Just curious, but if we package 24 and 25, how high can we get?  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16520136 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 16520134 Anakim said:


Quote:


.



I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks



Okay, but hypothetically speaking, how high can we get up if we packaged 24 and 25?
RE: RE: RE: Just curious, but if we package 24 and 25, how high can we get?  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 9:53 pm : link
In comment 16520137 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 16520136 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


In comment 16520134 Anakim said:


Quote:


.



I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks




Okay, but hypothetically speaking, how high can we get up if we packaged 24 and 25?


probably between 10-15, but i think a lot will trade out for future picks
another thing to keep an eye on  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2024 10:07 pm : link
Does Brunson sign an extension? id be shocked if he does because he would be giving up something like a 100 million but if he re-signs, with OG resigning you got your core 4 guys locked up for 3 to 5 years..

I think as for guys who will become available, look for the guys who dont sign an extension, obvious one is Mitchell, George i could see opting in and then asking for them to trade him like Harden did..

I think Lebron might do the same thing..

Also does OG opt in like Hart did and then sign his extension
I think id  
Doubledeuce22 : 5/19/2024 10:18 pm : link
Run it back. I’ve been saying I’d love them to get a stretch 5. If they do anything drastic that’s what I would aim for.
Looks like the Timberwolves are going to move on  
Anakim : 5/19/2024 10:19 pm : link
.
He didn’t finish the season on his best note  
Jon In NYC : 5/20/2024 12:20 am : link
But Isiah is being undervalued here. Hes young and embodies everything this team is about. Have to bring him back. Have to bring OG back.

And need one more scorer. I love Caruso but we need one more shot creator and I don’t think it’s Randle. Maybe we buy low for Bridges but I’m still dreaming about Devin Booker.

I saw someone on Twitter suggest Mitch, Deuce and picks for Mikal Bridges and I’d do that in a second. Nets probably wouldn’t but that’s around the idea id be shooting for.

Or you go one tier up and do Randle and picks for Booker.

Have to lighten the offensive load on Brunson and I don’t love staring two basically non shooters with Randle and iHart. I think OG is a 4 long term as well. Hes stronger than fast and does his best work against guys like Giannis.

Im also not sure about Precious. Hard to be both undersized and a non shooter.
RE: He didn’t finish the season on his best note  
bceagle05 : 5/20/2024 12:28 am : link
In comment 16520158 Jon In NYC said:
Quote:
And need one more scorer. I love Caruso but we need one more shot creator and I don’t think it’s Randle. Maybe we buy low for Bridges but I’m still dreaming about Devin Booker.

I agree, we need another legit scorer to actually win a title, which is all I care about going forward. Teams that make the final four and beyond can light it up with shooters and scorers everywhere.
.  
Jon In NYC : 5/20/2024 2:53 am : link
After a bad nights sleep and a long flight home ahead I have had some time to compose myself and still generally am heartbroken. Would we have beaten the Celtics even with OG? Probably unlikely. But to not have a chance is just such a bummer for a team that has given us so much throughout the year.

I think the first thing I need to say is I don’t know if I have ever felt such an emotional attachment to any team in any sport in any year. The closest is probably the 2007 Giants but I think basketball is firmly my favorite sport and this team is just so likable. They fight they play for each other they just embody New York in a way that no other team ever has for me. I am proud of them and I am proud they represent us.

I am going to go position by position with some thoughts then propose some moves I think that need to be made next year to set us up for more success:

C. I love Hartenstein I think more than most. Having a center that can operate near the 3 point line and rebound and defend the paint is an exceptionally rare commodity. I think he is firmly better than Mitch and I think the team does too as exhibited by the minutes split when both were healthy.

That said he did not have a great series, and this was not a great matchup for him. Credit to the Pacers but it’s hard to dominate the paint when Myles Turner is hitting 3s at the rate he did. I do wonder if that ends up costing him just enough in FA to where we can re-sign him to the max we can with his early bird rights which is about 17 mil per year with 10% increases annually. A 4 year 70 mil deal feels right here for both sides. I think he wants to stay and I think he will stay. I would love to see him bring back his 3 pt shot which he has shown flashes of and then completely abandoned him the last 1.5 seasons.

The other side of this coin is I don’t think you can afford to pay your centers a combined 31 mil annually unless you have a true all star at the position and we do not. And so as much as I love Mitch on a personal level, I think he is a likely trade chip this offseason. There are teams that could use his offensive rebounding prowess more than us and the lack of spacing on offense really hurts. And then the injuries, which, I hate to say, generally do not get better for 7 footers and their feet.

I want to like Precious and have him step up as the backup center but he’s both undersized and can’t shoot. I would bring him back on a very reasonable deal but would also consider cutting ties unless the team thinks he can develop some sort of shot. When you’re undersized and can’t shoot that’s just a tough combo.

Sims is meh. Would be great to see him take a leap (no pun intended) but I am dubious.

In sum I would expect iHart back but would not be surprised to see a different backup center. I bet Precious comes back for something like a 3 year 18 mil deal as a depth big at the 4 and 5.

PF. Really comes down to the Julius Randle question. Are we the team that wants to commit to him? There’s no question that his offense would have helped us this year but there’s definitely a bit of forgetfulness about “get back on D and stop arguing with the refs” Julius and “try on defense” Julius.

Ultimately he may be more valuable to us than to other teams. If you go around the league there are a surprisingly few rosters where he’d be a great fit, and so if i had to guess I think he’ll return.

Bogie came on late, but I think his biggest value for us is as a trade filler with his 20 mil expiring. I generally have no problem bringing him back as a bench microwave scorer. We probably beat the Pacers if he’s healthy.

I am going to add OG in the SF section but i do think we need to discuss if his best position is actually the 4 long term. He’s stronger than quick and I love the idea of having a true stretch 4. This is the way the NBA is moving to and there just aren’t that many bruising 4s these days. In fact the second best one behind Giannis is probably on our team already in Julius.

SF. Must re-sign OG at all costs. I don’t care about the injuries. Both seemed abnormal. The team was a juggernaut whenever he was on the floor. I fully expect him to be back. The lack of Self Creation is the only reason he’s not a max player. Get him in the gym doing Steph Curry drills all summer. Need to improve the ball handling. But his defense and shooting just immediately unlocked this team upon arrival. Must stay.

What can you say about Josh Hart that hasn’t already been said. The heart and soul of the team. The only surprising thing about him is that he didn’t grow up in like Fort Greene watching the Knicks as a kid. He just has so much New York energy. I did see a tweet that resonated with me in that he may be the first good No 3 No D player. Probably a bit harsh on both fronts but I’d love to see more consistency shooting from him. I do wonder if his best role is facilitator on the second unit.

SG. DiVincenzo was a revelation. Mini Klay Thompson. Also a guy with heavy New York energy. Kept stepping up in big moments and a building block for this team. Not too unlike Hart I also wonder if his best role is off the bench, but in a JR Smith-esque come off the bench firing mindset.

I am putting Deuce here too because Deuce is not a point guard. He just has trouble running an offense. Hes a 3&D undersized 2, which every team can certainly use. Love his mindset love his hustle. Too streaky a shooter right now but he’s made strides and I expect him to continue to do so.

PG. Jalen Brunson is a top 10 NBA player. Something I doubt even Jalen expected would be true but we’ve reached this point. I also want to point out that I actually think he is an above average defensive player. He gets hidden on defense but he does not get scored on a lot.

I’d bring back Alec Burks on a deal similar to the Precious one I mentioned above. I doubt he’ll have a robust market but as we saw in the playoffs he can score in bunches.

And so as we get to next year, I think the number one need by a country mile is a legitimate second scoring option. Is that Julius, maybe, but I think long term he’s best as a no. 3, or elsewhere.

There’s a path that could involve Devin Booker but I’ll save the keystrokes until he asks for a trade, because the Suns won’t move him otherwise.

I think the Knicks may have a really interesting opportunity to buy low on Mikal Bridges. He did not have a particularly good year last year, but it’s hard to describe that Nets team as anything less than a mess. His PG was Spencer Dinwiddie or Dennis Schroeder. He had to put up with Cam Thomas chucking. There was the whole Ben Simmons thing. There were multiple coaches and no fans and his best friends were balling out in MSG.

He’s a career .480 shooter, is that real or is the .437 mark he shot this year with a joke of a roster around him real? I’d assume the former.

The real question for me is can he replicate 2022 not from a shooting perspective, but from a creation perspective. There were 5 players in 2023 that matched his Nets numbers in 2022 where he shot over 6 free throws per game at over 85%: SGA, Jimmy, DeMar, Dame, Book. Strong company. If you plug his actuals of 6.6 and 89% it’s just Book and Dame. Can he get back to that level is the question. The strong fg% + Ft rate is a recipe for a very very strong number 2 to Brunson.

But It’s no longer a 7 season size we’re looking at like fg% but a 27 game sample size towards the end of a season where stats get wonky. Still, overall, I think the risk reward profile checks out here.

Nic Claxton is a FA. Is Mitch, Deuce, both firsts this year and a 2026 unprotected (the nets don’t have a pick that year) enough to get it done?

Bridges becomes the primary point of attack defender, OG guards the best forward, and good luck scoring on us. And then on offense you’re betting on a positive regression as illustrated above.

Would need to replace Mitch and I’d look at Goga Bitadze who in a per minute basis is an elite shot blocker who got buried in a strong Magic Frontcourt. Should be available for a reasonable cost too.

To replace Deuce maybe we go with Rokas, who this week announced he’s leaving Barca and going to play with us in summer league.

There are some interesting options in the draft too. I really like Mark Sears and Ajay Mitchell who should both be available at the 38th pick we have.

Brunson-Bridges-OG-Ju-iHart

Rokas-DDV-Hart-Bogie-Goga

Burks-Precious-Sears to fill out the roster.

That’s a really strong team. Title contender imo.
Here would be my Knicks move  
Eightshamrocks : 5/20/2024 6:35 am : link
No move! That's right-you run it back with the same team and this time you hope to avoid the major injuries. This us a 60 ein team abd a Title Contender withiut thr injuries. Bring everyone back.
RE: Here would be my Knicks move  
Eightshamrocks : 5/20/2024 6:37 am : link
In comment 16520173 Eightshamrocks said:
Quote:
No move! That's right-you run it back with the same team and this time you hope to avoid the major injuries. This us a 60 ein team abd a Title Contender withiut thr injuries. Bring everyone back.
60 win team and Title Contender without the injuries
Jon very good post, i think you nailed it  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 8:02 am : link
I dont want Hartenstein back but i know odds are he will be, i am ot going to be mad because i expect it but he really needs to figure out what went wrong this post season..

I think with OG his best position probably is the 4, but they need to add another 3 and D wing then at the 3, someone bigger than Hart..

Bridges would be that guy, question is how much the Nets would ask for from the Knicks, my guess minimum 4 firsts..

Mitch and Bojan are both in a trade for a star player, their contracts equal about 36 million going out plus draft picks and my guess is plus Deuce, even though i dont thinknthey want to trade him..If they could do that and then flip Randle to someone else for some depth and drsft picks then we are cooking..

2 teams that could use Randle: Mavs and OKC, OKC needs some interior players who can sckre and rebound, he would be a great fit

All in all i think the main core is in place, i think this team is absolutely right there going into next year, it should be a really fun offseason
I don't know why so many  
Eightshamrocks : 5/20/2024 8:29 am : link
Want to run Randle out of town. Three time All Star and when he was healthy with OG the Knicks had the best record in the league. Mikal Brudges is not a better player than Randle. Only defensively. Not even close offensively or reboubding wise. Run it back and avoid major injuries.
RE: I don't know why so many  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 8:34 am : link
In comment 16520194 Eightshamrocks said:
Quote:
Want to run Randle out of town. Three time All Star and when he was healthy with OG the Knicks had the best record in the league. Mikal Brudges is not a better player than Randle. Only defensively. Not even close offensively or reboubding wise. Run it back and avoid major injuries.


its not running him out of town, you are misunderstanding, Randle is going into whats basically his final year, he has a player option for the follow year but he will most likely opt out...

He is due an extension, what many are syaing is trade him now because they dont want to give him 50 million a year its not because he is some bad player or the Knicks are better, its because the question is there if he is the right number 2...Once you give him that extension you are locked in..

Bridges is not necassarily a better player than Randle, but his contract is better, he might fit a little bit better and he has a skillset that matches this teams a little bit better
Fred Katz has an article up  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 8:51 am : link
basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star..

Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it..

names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling..

Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture..

Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without
The Knicks need another scorer and ball handler  
GFAN52 : 5/20/2024 8:52 am : link
to take the load off of Brunson.
RE: Fred Katz has an article up  
Sean : 5/20/2024 8:59 am : link
In comment 16520202 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star..

Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it..

names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling..

Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture..

Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without

Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.
Jon I agree with most of your post  
LW_Giants : 5/20/2024 9:00 am : link
I like iHart more than most as well and think he was banged up this series. But also he was caught between a rock and a hard place defensively. If he left the paint to guard Turner we couldn’t rebound or block, if he stayed in the paint Turner rained threes. That’s what happens when you have no power forward. I expect that he’ll be back though. I don’t think he’s getting some enormous deal. I also agree he should work on a shot, even if it’s just a midrange j it would help.

As for Randle, I have no problem running it back next year with him as the second option. However if there’s a chance to replace him with a Bridges type player than you do it. It’s not about running him out of town it’s about always trying to improve the team even after a good season.

Unlike most here I really think the team needs another star before they take the next jump. There’s just too much burden on Brunson and that was the case even when Randle was healthy. If Jalen is having a bad game the rest of the team needs to either be plus 15 on the boards or shoot near perfect to win. I don’t know who or where the next star comes from but they should be desperately searching.

I think Mitch can and should be traded. His deal was front loaded so it’s very team friendly and when healthy he’s still a force inside defensively. He needs to go somewhere where they can limit him to 20-25 mpg until the postseason and that’s not here. OKC seems like the perfect fit for him, similar to when they traded for Perkins during the Durant-Westbrook-Harden years.

They have to resign OG, he changed this team when he played. But there also needs to be a better plan to manage his load going forward. He needs to be a 30-35 mpg guy during the regular season given the injuries.

I like Bogs a lot and want him back but understand given his contract it’s likely he’ll be in any trade we make.

Deuce is a nice player on a super reasonable contract and he works hard. I expect his shooting to continue to improve but I also think teams will want him in any trade. Maybe Rokas can be a good replacement.

The team needs a veterans backup point guard. Someone that can come in and run the offense and calm things down a bit. Idk who that is yet but getting that guy will be an important part of taking the next step. Just look at the effect Conley and TJ have had on their teams.

Long story short, this team can’t rest on its laurels. We need to find ways to get better. The Celtics who made the ECF last year added KP and Holiday last year because they recognized they were a win now team. We need to do the same and not just say well that month everyone was healthy we were great so no moves necessary! Thats not how you build a winner
I get it that Randle can be frustrating to watch at times  
Mike in NJ : 5/20/2024 9:00 am : link
But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season.

Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity?

I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits.
RE: RE: Fred Katz has an article up  
GFAN52 : 5/20/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16520206 Sean said:
Quote:
In comment 16520202 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star..

Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it..

names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling..

Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture..

Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without


Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.


Trading for Towns or Donovan Mitchell are pretty doubtful.
RE: RE: Fred Katz has an article up  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 9:02 am : link
In comment 16520206 Sean said:
Quote:
In comment 16520202 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star..

Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it..

names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling..

Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture..

Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without


Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.


Twolves are in dangerous cap category that they need to relieve some salary, Edwards hasnt even been paid yet and with reid there Towns can get them some drsft picks and some dpeth pieces that are cheaper..


I am ok running it back and adding a couple of deoth pieces but this really is thr offseason to go big gsme hunting, its the lerfect scenario to do so, if someone asks out the Knicks are going to be involved..
RE: The Knicks need another scorer and ball handler  
Mike in NJ : 5/20/2024 9:03 am : link
In comment 16520203 GFAN52 said:
Quote:
to take the load off of Brunson.


Like Julius Randle?
RE: I get it that Randle can be frustrating to watch at times  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 9:04 am : link
In comment 16520209 Mike in NJ said:
Quote:
But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season.

Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity?

I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits.


If you are adding a second star, Randle is most likely gone, hard to have 3 gjys that are ball dominant..

Nobody wants to just get rid of Randle but the way his contract is and the way the Knicks are set up, this is the offseason to go big game hunting
I'm not a big CBB guy, but I did watch March Madness  
Anakim : 5/20/2024 9:05 am : link
And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer...



Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round?
RE: RE: I get it that Randle can be frustrating to watch at times  
Mike in NJ : 5/20/2024 9:22 am : link
In comment 16520214 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 16520209 Mike in NJ said:


Quote:


But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season.

Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity?

I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits.



If you are adding a second star, Randle is most likely gone, hard to have 3 gjys that are ball dominant..

Nobody wants to just get rid of Randle but the way his contract is and the way the Knicks are set up, this is the offseason to go big game hunting


Right, you don't want 3 guys that are ball dominant, but you do need 2. The point is you can't just send Randle out unless the guy you are bringing back replaces his role as the secondary scorer. A guy teams really do have to pay attention to to take the pressure off of Brunson. Can Bridges be that guy? Maybe, but I like his fit better with Randle still on the roster rather than replacing him.

There are only a small handful of guys that I think you can move Randle for. Obviously there are the top stars, but I mean guys that could realistically be available. Towns would be one, but can Minnesota even move him at this point with the success this team is having? Durant/Booker both obviously, but seems like Phoenix wants to see what Bud can do with the group first. It's been discussed at length, but I wouldn't do it for Mitchell.

Other than that, real targets that could actually had, I would move him to make room for Paul George or Brandon Ingram (but you have to find a third team because I don't see New Orleans pairing Randle with Zion). Look through the top players in the league, and find the second star that really makes sense, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot available.

Honestly the guy that would be the perfect fit would be Anthony Davis if Lebron really did decide to go back to Cleveland and LA decides to blow it up. Probably less than a 10% chance that happens, but one can dream.
Mike i agree with you  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 9:26 am : link
i am not trading Randle unless a 2nd star is here or coming back in a Randle trade..

but i do think the Knicks are going to do everything they can to get that 2md star they feel comfortable with paying 50 million a year, i dont think they are 100% comfortable giving that to Randle..
Here's the Fred Katz article on The Athletic (behind a pay wall):  
Optimus-NY : 5/20/2024 9:26 am : link
Click below...


Knicks will search for next great player but don’t want to disrupt their culture | By Fred Katz | May 19, 2024 | TheAthletic.com - ( New Window )
RE: I'm not a big CBB guy, but I did watch March Madness  
Jon In NYC : 5/20/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16520216 Anakim said:
Quote:
And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer...



Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round?


Yes, me. I am fine with McCain but Filipowski is charmin soft and a big baby. Among other things he tried to trip a fan storming the court, hurt himself, and blamed the fan.

Need shot blocking from a 5. Would much rather have Ware from Indiana who really turned it on to finish the year.
RE: As i love ihart and Mitch they  
gmoney11 : 5/20/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16520102 ajr2456 said:
Quote:
Need a center who is a scoring threat


The Knicks need to upgrade the Center position. We need someone like Turner. Robinson needs to go. Sign IHart and upgrade if possible.
Honest question:  
Jon In NYC : 5/20/2024 10:05 am : link
If the Knicks draft Bronny why wouldn’t Lebron come here?

Hard to imagine a better combo of winning and large market for him at this point
RE: RE: I'm not a big CBB guy, but I did watch March Madness  
Anakim : 5/20/2024 10:14 am : link
In comment 16520234 Jon In NYC said:
Quote:
In comment 16520216 Anakim said:


Quote:


And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer...



Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round?



Yes, me. I am fine with McCain but Filipowski is charmin soft and a big baby. Among other things he tried to trip a fan storming the court, hurt himself, and blamed the fan.

Need shot blocking from a 5. Would much rather have Ware from Indiana who really turned it on to finish the year.


Interesting. Didn’t know about the fan incident. Thanks
I agree with AJR  
Pete44 : 5/20/2024 10:17 am : link
I said it last year and I say it again, if you want to keep this team and this culture, the upgrade to be made is a more offensive minded center that cannot be ignored. For the 2nd year in a row, we were killed by that. (Bam and Myles Turner). I feel they really screwed up last year not trading for KP, despite the baggage, he was the perfect fit.

I know this will be unpopular, but I would consider trading up in the draft to get into Zach Edey territory. He could be effective on this team, at the combine, he was draining 3's and he is an excellent rim protector. Thibs would have to teach him how to defend the pick n roll. He would be a nice compliement to Mitch. I think IHart priced himself out and is too expensive anwyays.

Beyond that, they need some length on the wings, that can also be scoring threats.

I don't see the big game hunting as I don't see the fit with Mitchell. The only exception would be Booker.

I'd keep Randle and run it back, but add an offensive mindec center - Edey or someone else and some more length on the wings that can shoot. Kelly Oubre might not be a bad fit.
RE: Honest question:  
Eightshamrocks : 5/20/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16520270 Jon In NYC said:
Quote:
If the Knicks draft Bronny why wouldn’t Lebron come here?

Hard to imagine a better combo of winning and large market for him at this point
No to Lebron
Knicks need to be careful  
Sean : 5/20/2024 10:50 am : link
I know people on BBI make fun of "culture" but the Knicks can't screw this up. Don't bring in anyone that's going to ruin the chemistry. Don't break up the Nova guys.
For the people who say just bring back Randle  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2024 11:04 am : link
and in no way am i saying your wrong, there is a part of me that would be fine with it, but if they do you have to be ok with giving him 50 million, and this being your team for the next 5 years..no more tlaking about big stars on the way..
RE: I, for one, don't think we have a lot of work to do.  
djm : 5/20/2024 11:06 am : link
In comment 16520009 Matt M. said:
Quote:
If Robinson is healthy and Randle is healthy and they can re-sign Hartenstein, I think this team is a top 5 team in the league and a serious contender. For that month after the trade before Randle got hurt, they were the best team in the league. Randel takes a lot of shit here, but he already changed his game a bit to fit in with this TEAM. DiVincenzo is a huge upgrade over Barrett, who was our starter at the beginning of the season. Hart, McBride, Robinson, and Burks or Bogdonovich off the bench is a very good team.

I am happy for Burks. He was hurt earlier in the year. He must have healed up, because he was playing like the guy we traded for.

There is no guarantee another superstar meshes with this team. And, for all the talk about Thibs, this team seems to love him. So, like him or not, he seems to be the best coach for THIS TEAM right now. It's more important to bring in someone who will buy into what this team is about than anything else.


Same here.

The Giants have a lot of work to do. So do the Mets. DO fo the NEts. Do do the Devils.

The Knicks could fall asleep and do nothing at all for the off-season and they'd be a 54 win team if they merely endured normal bad injury luck next season. Meaning they could lose a guy or two for a month or so and still sleep walk to 50+ wins.

They have work to do yes. So does every team as things are fluid and the Knicks like most are always looking to improve.

WFAN is doing their usual over thinking mental gymnastic marathon with this team. The reality will be so much different. They could pull off a blockbuster but the odds are the Knicks will re-sign IHart and maybe pull off a middle of the road type trade, maybe they move up or down in the draft or maybe stand pat. Depends on what avails itself.

They aren't dumping players based on some stupid ass weirdo narrative that some Knicks fans insist on parroting. The front office isn't thinking the same way, especially when it comes to Randle. And yes, Mitch. Mitch is a huge bargain. Fine he has missed games. You still aren't dumping him based on that logic. However, with that said I could see the Knicks considering Randle's long term future here since his deal is coming up for renewal. Even then, gun to my head he's back and doing his usual 24-10 next season. And 24-10 is worth the max.

It's all about what else is available. We go through this every year. More often than not that pie in the sky dream is not available. With that in mind, they run it back and they should run it back.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner